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Tutu says South Africa's legacy 'betrayed' over Zimbabwe
Dec 24, 2008, 9:17 GMT
Archbishop Desmond Tutu said Wednesday that South Africa had \'betrayed its own legacy\' by failing to remove Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe from power. EPA/STR
London - Archbishop Desmond Tutu said Wednesday that South Africa had 'betrayed its own legacy' by failing to remove Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe from power.
In a BBC interview broadcast Wednesday, the archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize winner accused South Africa of losing the moral high ground by failing to stand up to Mugabe.
'We should have been the ones who for a very long time occupied the moral high ground. I'm afraid we have betrayed our legacy.'
Tutu said he was saddened that his own country appeared not to be on the side of suffering Zimbabweans.
'I want to say first of all that I have been very deeply disappointed, saddened by the position that South Africa has taken at the United Nations Security Council in being an obstacle to the Security Council dealing with that matter.
'And I have to say that I am deeply, deeply distressed that we should be found not on the side of the ones who are suffering. I certainly am ashamed of what they've done in the United Nations.
'For the world to say 'no, we are waiting for South Africa's membership of the Security Council to lapse and then we can take action.' How much more suffering is going to make us say 'No we have given Mr Mugabe enough time?''
Instead of using its leadership role in the Southern African Development Community, South Africa had 'betrayed its legacy' by blocking firmer action from the United Nations, Tutu told the BBC's Radio 4.
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'Lance said Wednesday that The United States had 'betrayed its own legacy' by failing to remove U.S. President Bush from power.'
SP4 - We only remove people from power by election, impeachment or end-of-term. This is what constitutional democracies do.
Presidents make bad decisions, people starve.
SP4 - except for the fact that there is no case of starvation in the United States not related to either drug abuse, criminal negligence by parents or some other extenuating circumstance. In fact, Lance, if you'd bother to inform yourself, and that IS asking a lot, you'd see that over-eating is a far more accute problem in America.
Do starving people deserve what they vote for?
SP4 - I don't know. How many places on earth have starvation that do not have either totalitarian rule or massively corrupt governments? Our democratic trading partners are the most prosperous nations on earth.
This food-tripe has been the battle cry of the left for as long as I can remember. They prattle on about this endlessly. Some libnazi was on TV trying to pul this on Bill O'Reilly about four years ago, insinuating Bush was the boogie man or something and tried to tell him that there was no place to get a free meal. She was screaming 'people are starving!'
He proceeded, of course, to dismember her and rattled of about a dozen free-meal, food banks, and homeless assistance places in the area, shutting her hole. The press tried to tell us that we had 15 million peolle homeless in the 1980's when the number was, maybe 500,000. Out of those, about 60% have drug and/or alchohol addiction as the primary cause.
I think it goes to the core of libnazi dictrine, driven by the fact that liberals, above all, have a catholic-like guilt. This being the case, they want to measure their humanity by intention as opposed to outcome. It also supplies them with a ready-made panic button to justify anything, just like c02-driven climate change.
This is why you see everything from taxes that 'spread the wealth' to feel-good stuff like habitat-for-humanity, that never really works, but makes the volunteers feel good. It also makes them fell in some cases, superior to those who embrace other, more efficent philosophies. I mean, we've been doling out assistance to Africa for my whole life, with no real improvements. I wonder if anyone knows this, day to day? Have you ever wondered why? Go look at Mugabe and Zimbabwe. Here was a prosperous nation, taken over by radical totalitarian tribalists.
There it is.
China is another excellent example of this. In the 20th century, they starved millions with Mao's 'great Leap Forward' blindly trying to industrialize a nation that needed 85 people to feed 100 or in other words was an agrarian nation. In the end they adopted free market capitalism for their economy, in order to simply keep from starving. The results of this and globalization have lifted, conservatively, over 500 million people from the worst poverty on earth.
The best is N. Korea, starving folks for half a century, while their neighbor to the south is the gold standard of capitalistic progress, one of the most prosperous nations on earth.
No, Lance, that is the fact about starvation: it is caused by totalitarian and corrupt governments. Fix that and you get more results than any other method.
Now, run along and finish that dissertation on how Bush broke the Bank of England. We're all dying to get a laugh.
Bush decided to place children in the U.S. into poverty for the right to mass kill muslims in the Middle East:
www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Recession-Induced-Child-Poverty-Cost/sto ry.aspx?guid=%7B21C1E8E1-B37D-49A0-A6AD-0ADDE8993187%7D
Any moron can see that in a limited-resource environment one choice produces the other choice.
It is clear:
Bush wants to kill muslims and make U.S. children poor and starve.
He has accomplished exactly what he wants. It is happening now. The proof is in the reality of the people and children being forced into poverty by myopic economic polices and a misdirected attempt at world domination.
Is an oreo.
He knows damn well the evil that white christian devils had done in the days of Ian Smith's Rhodesia with the silent approval of both so-called human rights activists Britain and United States.
The white christian devils used anthrax against the courageous freedom fighters of the ZANU (Zimbabwe African National Union) and the ZAPU (Zimbabwe African People's Union).
Both Mr. Robert Mugabe (ZANU) and Mr. Joshua Nkomo (ZAPU) have the right to kick the illegal white christian devils from African land. Especially since the white christian devils oppressed and murdered native people on their own land in their own continent.
Tutu being christee-ann is already a sell out. Than making statements like he has just proves what a worthless human being he is.
No matter what you say fruit cake, America is already dying....and that is a good thing for humanity.
SP4: Your savior is starving children in the United States.
He did it so his soul can gain a higher elevation in heaven along with the pope.
Sad, but true.
Just like that fantasy of theirs, Atlantis, so too will America sink.
I bet 4,444 worthless US dollars that it will be the pharmaceutical industry.
Remember GREED does not pay!!!!
US capitalism is based on GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.............hehehehehe
SP4:
If you want (you and 100 million of your kind in the U.S.) you can learn from this experience.
Your choices are:
(a) Kill muslims and starve children.
(b) Do not kill muslims and feed children.
But the following is NOT a choice:
(c) Kill muslims and feed children.
So remember: You can have (a) or (b) but NOT (c).
You need to choose a realistic option. This is not my hindsight. I have been saying this for over a decade. It is obvious. If you could pick a leader that is not a moron then perhaps that leader would be able to know about reality.
All of that'd be fine except for the glaring fact that there is no starvation in the United States.
Not a single case. The facts, Lance, just fly in the face of your illogic.
Go find a single case of death from starvation in the United States. I must have looked on the Internet for four hours one day. True, there might be some guy drunk who hit is head and died from not getting a meal as a resullt of being unconsious, or some mexican who got lost in the desert crossing the border, but no able bodied person, or child, has died from starvation in the USA in over a century.
Lance...babe....go to a doctor...have him check you out...
Then, make sure to finish that doctoral on how Bush broke the bank of England.
This is another libnazi premise, like global warming, population control, etc.
Rather than tackle real problems head-on, libnazis run to inconclusive arguments like 'too many people' or 'guns are bad' or whatever. This is far easier for the libnazi sheeplike automatons that follow these new religious figures from the church of the divine liberal, than actually generate real intellectually driven solutions.
In the case of the 'limited resources' argument, logic simply flies in the face of the facts. America generates so much food output, we actually PAY farmers to not grow crops. Energy is another one. We generate virtually 100% of our energy needs with the exception of oil, for which worldide demand is now so low, it sells for 1/3 of waht it was last year. Shelter, sanitation facilites, medical care, etc. all are market limited, not resource limited.
Where products are limited, you find the usual suspects: Corruption, or an inferior system. Again, one only has to look at the shining example of the Koreas.
South Korea is the gold-plated example of a propserous democracy, making gains every year. It's citizens are productive, their GDP is terrific and they, by every standard, are a success.
North Korea is the other example: mass starvation, totalitarian rule, non-existant output. Yet it has, for all purposes similar, if not the same, resources.
The argument falls on it's face. Human freedom and security promotes human welfare.
Ah, thank you SP4. I keep forgetting that millions of U.S. citizens believe that the 10 trillion dollar federal debt does not exist.
Thank you for continually reminding me how stupid people are.
I suppose you shall make the debt 20 trillion dollars, maybe 30, 40 or 100 trillion dollars just so you can not perceive limits.
Good luck to you morons.
U.S. citizens not perceiving limits is also the number one reasons for house foreclosures and bankruptcies.
The typical U.S. citizen is too STUPID to understand their limits. Congress and the president of the United States are typical U.S. citizens.
SP4 is obviously a prime example of the typical U.S. citizen.
Stupid beyond belief, so stupid that 10 trillion dollars debt is incomprehensible to them.
SP4 has one thing right: THERE IS NO LIMIT TO HIS STUPIDITY and there is no limit to the stupidity of the typical U.S. citizen.
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Only picks on smaller countries. How tough. What a gay country of weaklings.
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lanceDec 24th, 2008 - 13:16:43
Lance said Wednesday that The United States had 'betrayed its own legacy' by failing to remove U.S. President Bush from power.
Presidents make bad decisions, people starve.
Do starving people deserve what they vote for?
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