NoharnessMar 22nd, 2008 - 13:19:11

'Strength is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours.'

This is the attitude of the Han. They will not stop with Tibet or Taiwan.

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tonny from belgiumMar 22nd, 2008 - 13:58:13

A bit confused in your historical knowledge noharness ?Throwing Taiwan and Tibat in the same bag is silly .Taiwan was always part of China until 1949 so to speak .Tibet is somehow different .As for the Han ,they also populate Taiwan,so what is your point ?As for struggle to dominate the world,I guess you oppose China only because it is a menace for the US domination struggle your own neocons want to impose on the world .Between cholera and plague the choice is none .

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ChinaMar 22nd, 2008 - 14:17:59

I guess they got their version of Fox News!

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NoharnessMar 22nd, 2008 - 14:44:13

RE:{'A bit confused in your historical knowledge noharness ?Throwing Taiwan and Tibat in the same bag is silly .Taiwan was always part of China until 1949 so to speak .'

Better double check your history, Tonny.

RE:'Tibet is somehow different .As for the Han ,they also populate Taiwan,so what is your point ?'

Just exactly what I said, Tonny. They are among the most racist people I have ever dealt with and they have no intentions of stopping with Tibet and Taiwan.

RE:'As for struggle to dominate the world,I guess you oppose China only because it is a menace for the US domination struggle your own neocons want to impose on the world .Between cholera and plague the choice is none .'

And you know damned good and well that I am not a neo-con so I am obliged to call you a liar again. I oppose China mostly because I hate the way they treat their own and fear how they treat with me and mine if they get the chance.

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juhaMar 22nd, 2008 - 15:28:09

hmmmm.....borders are never solid artifact, etched in time. Taiwan had a native population, but was invaded and settled as with many lands across the planet. How far does one go back? borders are allways fluid, its based on who's in power at the time and how much they are willing to risk to hold onto the land. What i dont like is the slicing up the planet into smaller and smaller enclaves based on some sort of ethnic bing bang isolating themselves into some sort of genetic offshoot of humanity.

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tonny from belgiumMar 22nd, 2008 - 18:16:00

What do you want me to check on Taiwan dear noharness ?You might not be a neocon but you perfectly adapt to their theory of world domination through military supremacy I found nothing in any of your posts opposing the republican views on that .Aren't you a supporter of McCain,the idiot that tries to link Al Quaida to Iran ?I find your criticizing an ethnic group like the han quite arrogant and irrelevant .It shows the mentality of a paranoid mind frame .Taiwan was always part of China .That much is even recognized by your own government when it says that it's incorporation into china must be done peacefully,which of course I agree to .I wonder if your own government would show any restraint in dealing with let's say a separation from Puerto Rico or Hawaii from it's sovereignty .To summarize;your own attitude on China is based on racism,the pot and the kettle,but you probably know the story too.

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NoharnessMar 22nd, 2008 - 18:28:31

RE:'hmmmm.....borders are never solid artifact, etched in time. Taiwan had a native population, but was invaded and settled as with many lands across the planet. How far does one go back?'

Simple. Was the border changed by brute force of arms? Then it was illegitimate.

RE:' What i dont like is the slicing up the planet into smaller and smaller enclaves based on some sort of ethnic bing bang isolating themselves into some sort of genetic offshoot of humanity.'

I don't like that idea, either. Global Balkanization would help nothing.

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NoharnessMar 22nd, 2008 - 19:56:04

RE:'What do you want me to check on Taiwan dear noharness ?'

Tonny, the KMT as an invader was much harder on the native Taiwanese than the Japanese were. The Han Chinese were not and are not native to Taiwan. Go check.

RE:'You might not be a neocon but you perfectly adapt to their theory of world domination through military supremacy I found nothing in any of your posts opposing the republican views on that .'

I neither adopt nor adapt any of their stupid drivel, Tonny. I DO insist that we Americans clean up the messes they have made because WE elected them. I do NOT and never have been an advocate of the United States dominating the world by force of arms or any other means. You go find a post where I have done such a thing we will discuss it. Who else on this board has been declaring that we should withdraw troops from Europe, Japan and North Korea? Who else has been vociferously opposed to the Bushbaby's ill-considered missile shield in Europe?

RE:'Aren't you a supporter of McCain,the idiot that tries to link Al Quaida to Iran ?'

Find a post where I show enthusiasm for John McCain. You're in for a long search. I am, as is every other American, faced with three thoroughly miserable choices for chief executive this time around. I have said this many times as you well know. McCain is, in my opinion, the superior choice of the three, but he is a pretty miserable grade of 'superior'. I continue to be alarmed by all three of the current candidacies. If you knew half as much about the US as you think you do, you would be at least as upset as I am.

RE:'I find your criticizing an ethnic group like the han quite arrogant and irrelevant .It shows the mentality of a paranoid mind frame .'

You are perfectly within your rights to do so. I can only reiterate what I have experienced in dealing with the Han. The only group I know of that is as racist and overbearing as the Han are the Koreans. They make your average Georgia Cracker look like a saint.

Re:'Taiwan was always part of China .'

No, that's not true. Taiwan was for a long time an independent kingdom.

RE:'That much is even recognized by your own government when it says that it's incorporation into china must be done peacefully,which of course I agree to .'

Our participation in this diplomatic fiction is a source of shame for me and should be for every American. And, by the way, you are glossing over a lot of history with this statement. What I find bizarre is the notion that the US would spend blood and treasure defending Chinese from other Chinese while having already decided that Taiwan is part of China. So long as Taiwanese citizens were willing to declare independence from China, there was cause for the US to defend Taiwan. They show no such inclination at this time so I see no reason to support them against Peking. Why should we? De Facto, Taiwan has already sided with and belongs to Peking. The only issue remaining is how do they go about the final consummation.

RE:'I wonder if your own government would show any restraint in dealing with let's say a separation from Puerto Rico or Hawaii from it's sovereignty .'

I don't think there would be a single objection made over Puerto Rico. The Puertoricenos need only to hold a plebiscite on the issue and vote for independence or statehood. They have not held such a referendum because they think their interests are best served by remaining a commonwealth.

Hawaii would be a different matter, of course, because it became a full fledged member of the United States in 1959, but here's the funny thing. De facto, Hawaii already belongs to Japan. Here's some more food for thought.

RE:'To summarize;your own attitude on China is based on racism,the pot and the kettle,but you probably know the story too.'

You have no right to summarize my thoughts on China, because you do not know their full extent, but yes, I do have a strong dislike for the racist attitudes of the Han. I despise racism in general.

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SP4: Those darn neoconsMar 22nd, 2008 - 20:37:54

What I'm reading is that, somehow, self government and self determination are now somehow wrong...?

People want a say in governing themselves, Tonny. Sue us.

Boy, if neocons are for that, I'm on the right side.

By the way, the neocon never really existed before the late 1960's. They are an offshoot of the democratic party i.e. defectors from the socialist policies Kennedy rejected.

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Iran is a vile country...Mar 22nd, 2008 - 22:44:39

'Aren't you a supporter of McCain,the idiot that tries to link Al Quaida to Iran ?'

March 21, 2008 12:10 PM

The New York Sun's Eli Lake reports that Sen. John McCain's campaign is reminding folks that though the candidate walked back the claim that Iran is aiding Al Qaeda in Iraq through training and providing them a safe haven, there is plenty of publicly sourced information showing that there is aid being provided.

'McCain's national security adviser, Randy Scheunemann, told The New York Sun, 'There is ample documentation that Iran has provided many different forms of support to Sunni extremists, including Al Qaeda as well as Shi'ia extremists in Iraq. It would require a willing suspension of disbelief to deny Iran supports Al Qaeda in Iraq.''

And the Sun's reporting concurs:

'The Sun, in a series of dispatches from northern Iraq and Baghdad, detailed claims that Iran has supported Al Qaeda in Iraq. One such dispatch, published on April 25, 2007, quoted the director of the security ministry for the Sulaimaniyah province, Sarkawt Hassan Jalal, as saying Iran had harbored the leadership of a group calling itself Al Qaeda in Kurdistan in five towns on the Iraqi border. A subsequent story, based on an interview with a Kurdish prisoner who went by the name Osman the Small, said Iran's revolutionary guard and domestic intelligence service had issued the Kurdish jihadist group political refugee cards, identifications that made it possible for them to cross back and forth into Iraq from Iran.

'Senior military officials from Multinational Forces in Iraq have said on the record that Iran provides support for Sunni terror outfits in Iraq, but they have not identified them as Al Qaeda in Iraq. A former commander of a group that has at times aligned with Al Qaeda in Iraq, the Islamic Army of Iraq, Abu Azzam al Tamimi, told Al Arabiya television on January 18, 2008, that Iran 'interferes in every aspect in Iraq.' When asked whom Iran supports, Mr. al Tamimi said, 'Everybody — it works with the government, with the opponents of the government, with the opponents of the government's opponents, with Al-Qaeda, with the enemies of Al-Qaeda, with the militias, with the enemies of the militias ... Iran spreads its investments everywhere – with the Shiites, the Sunnis, and the Kurds,' according to a translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

'The Sun also reported in July that a senior leadership or management council for Al Qaeda meets regularly in eastern Iran, according to the classified portion of the latest national intelligence estimate on Al Qaeda. An intelligence briefer to the press for that estimate at the time claimed to have no recollection of the section, but the Sun maintains that it is there. Following the defeat of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in 2001, many senior Al Qaeda leaders, such as Saif al Adel and Saad bin Laden, fled to Iran, while others, such as Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, are believed to have fled to the border tribal provinces in Pakistan.'


tonny, you never fail to fail...

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