Independent Hawaiian Kingdom!Apr 3rd, 2008 - 17:18:37

Immediately!!!!!!!

Also return of California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah to Mexico.

Independence for Puerto Rico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And unification of Alaska and so-called Northwest Territories for an independent Inuit homeland!!!!!

By the Independent International Commission for Human Rights Check Against White Occupied Countries

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Luo GeApr 3rd, 2008 - 22:25:09

I have not heard of any public demand for independence of those US-controlled areas. I have, on the other hand, heard of near-universal demand for independence for Tibet as it was prior to 1950, and of wide popular support also for regaining of independence for East Turkestan (called 'Xinjiang' by China).

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Californian independence for Lou GeApr 3rd, 2008 - 23:03:47

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californian_independence

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Luo GeApr 4th, 2008 - 01:14:07

Sorry, I am not American, and so have not heard not much about those American stories. But I do not live in China either, but have still heard a lot about the desires of people in Tibet and East Turkenistan to undo the brutal invasions of their territories.

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Really, are you a high school drop-out?Apr 4th, 2008 - 01:48:23

Have you heard of the Iraq war going on right now?

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Luo GeApr 4th, 2008 - 03:11:38

Stay on topic, please!

What is the relevance of the Iraq War to the desires of the people of Tibet and East Turkmenistan to run their own nations themselves? Nobody has declared Iraq to be an 'inseparable part' of any other country. While I think that the Iraq War was/is a stupid mistake, and should be the subject of a separate discussion, I do not see that as any kind of excuse for China to bully the people under its Imperialist thumb. This topic is about the rights of people not to be dictated to by Chinese Invaders.

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To high school drop-outApr 4th, 2008 - 03:35:27

Have you found an excuse for the U.S. to bully Iraq?
Do Iraqis have their rights to repel the American invaders?
What made you think the Iraq invasion was only a mistake?

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To high school drop-outApr 4th, 2008 - 03:41:25

You should also think about finding excuses for the genocide of Native Americans, since I will ask you about that later on.

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Luo GeApr 4th, 2008 - 03:53:50

I am still not sure what your problem is.

We are discussing China's continued brutal occupation of lands it invaded. Are you embarrassed to keep to that topic? How does anything that America did, and for which it too might receive condemnation, bear any relation to this? It is not a competition between two big countries to see which is the most oppressive towards other peoples.

For the record, in case it is on any interest to you, I did not state the full force of my feelings about the Iraq War, because that is not our topic here. But I was strongly opposed to it from the beginning, for pretty much the same reasons as I am opposed to China's denial of rights to the peoples in its empire. I was pleased to be in a country that did not take part in the invasion or either Iraq or Tibet.

So, now, to return to the actual topic at hand, what can we do to encourage China to allow some freedom to the people under its tight control?

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To high school drop-outApr 4th, 2008 - 04:38:25

Although I knew from the beginning you are not intelligent enough to discuss anything constructively, I thought that you at least would remember what you wrote in your own posts.

'I have not heard of any public demand for independence of those US-controlled areas. '

So I was giving you examples of such. Get it now? High school drop-out.

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