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The remarks by Hu Jintao are correct! For the unity of China he has no other choice but to defend the best interests of all of China. The lives of every day Tibetans has much improved since the days when the butter-tea monks ruled the country.
To the propagandist and agent of CCP,
Excerpts from NY Times, 'privilege and power are overwhelmingly the preserve of the Han, while Tibetans live largely confined to segregated urban ghettos and poor villages in their own ancestral lands.' So much for life getting better. Sure, only for the Han Chinese. Keep trying to fool the world. China is today what Germany was in the 30's. Here, people like you are in the U.S. allowed to wave the flag of a country that is only waiting for the right moment to go to war with us.
i've been to tibet many times,most tibet people are living much better life now than before same as most han chinese .the whole nation power and living standard of china will catch up with usa within 10 years and will become top in the world.if you don't belive that ,let us wait and see.
fully support Hu.
damn dalia the lier.
I thought the Chinese were a higher intellect people until this. Do they not realize that the world is laughing at them? Given their past performance with things like the Tiamen Square, versus the Dali Lama and his quest for peace, if the world had a choice, they will believe the Dali Lama.
Each time the Central Chinese Government opens there mouth with this rhetoric the world laughs. Here are a bunch of morons that a too stupid to realize that their words only make themselves look more idiotic in the eyes of the world. If they just shut their mouths they would be be better. How can a government who runs such a large country be so darn dumb. To the Chinese Government, 'We laugh at your stupidity'. To the Dali Lama, 'We believe in you and your continued lifelong preachings for peace'
It is sort of like saying the people in all of the lands the Romans conquered had better roads and baths. Without noting all of the lives lost in their conquest and the cultures controlled. I also have been to Tibet several times. If you ask a Tibetan they don't give a darn if the Chinese Government brought flushing toilets, they like their culture. Hey if you could bring flushing toilets to the nomadic peoples of the desert to you think they would build houses around them? Sure, beat me and tell me I'll live a better life for it...jerks!
Go to war with us? Your ignorance is profound.
Which government is continuously denigrating the other? Which government is advocating the division of the other’s country? Which government has military bases on the other’s doorstep? Which government tries to interfere in the internal affairs of the other?
Do you think the American government has no agenda behind this anti-Chinese rhetoric and the associated media propaganda?
Do you know that America owes China $1,400,000,000,000 ???
If China had any plan of “going to war with us”, wouldn’t it have been pretty stupid to loan us that much money? Obviously, China wants America to be a strong and economically healthy trading partner who can eventually repay that debt.
Here’s a hypothesis for you: If America can make enough people believe that China is evil, America can justify not paying any of its debt by claiming that it does not support evil.
People like you are certainly buying into it.
America is always good and always right. Huh? Everything you read must be true, isn’t it? You’re eager to protest and make erroneous statements about a subject you’ve never bothered to study. Why bother to study? We’ve got TV!!!
So much for life getting better. Sure, only for the Han Chinese.
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How do you know? Have you been to Tibet? Have you talked to ordinary tibetans living there?
My relative went to Tibet many times in the past 40 years due to his research work. Actually ordinary Tibetans like Han people and their lives have improved so much.
Chinese government spend lots of tax money(from Han people) on Tibetan's development. Many Han tourists went to Tibet said the ordinary Tibetan are richer than ordinary Han.
In China, if one of a guy's parents is minority. He will claims himself as minority. Do you know why? Because then he will get much better benefits than Han.
I understand you westerners hate China and Chinese for some reason. But when you accuse China, please based on facts, not your imagination.
What you know about the tibet is from media, but the question is whether it could be trust ? Especially the things you could never see by yourslef .That is what called media distortion. I don't know when you know the truth ,but now, I just want you know we Chinese people love peace and freedom , and we (including tibetens) have .
Tibet was an independent country with her own government and heritage until the Chinese occupied her.
Of course, after 60 years lives will change. Look at China it has changed from an backward country into what it is today. So saying the Chinese improve lives in Tibet is a misnomer.
What would you Chinese think if America occupy and be the government of China. America will improve China must faster than Chinese government ever could. If you would not accept this occupied government then why is that all right for you to impose your occupied government to the Tibetan.
Time for the Chinese to get out Tibet, return the Paracel islands to the Vietnamese and begin to act as a civilized nation.
The old way of expanding one own border is no longer accepted in the 21st century. China will fail. As long as Chinese still cling to the old idea of world domination, Chineses is no more than a bully in the block. The world will kick your asses.
John Smith always thinks that his opinion represents the world. No wonder this country is degenerating. Don't you know that people all of the world are laughing at the mess after Hurricane Katrina? Don't you know that all the people in the world are seeing that the American is stuck in Iraq with their stupid policy? Don't you know that 9-11 is partly caused by hatred toward US foreign policy? Believe me, more people in the world would think that US policy now is more like 1940's German. Unless this kind stupid john smiths get their lesson learned in a hard way, this country is not going to recover. Hope candid people like Soros, Buffet and many other smart people in US get their voice heard. Otherwise this country is doomed.
Mind your own business first before you attack Iraq, Iran and other mid east countries; clean you own mess first before accuse Russian, China. Travel around the world and see how many people like American.
Most Americans don’t want to disrupt their arrogant righteous indignation with facts. But, in case any of you want to temper the Western media hype with some truth, search You-Tube for:
Tibet: The Truth, from Monarex
Dailai is not really a monk, he is just a politician, he want to be the governor of Tibet again? too terrible and impossible, what a world.
He is linked to the Nazis. Only my fellow gullible Americans will go with shows put up by the medias.
You can find lots of info here:
larouchepac.com/news/2008/04/03/chinese-link-dalai-lama-nazis-larouche- theyre-right.html
Also read the NY Times opinion polls to balance your distorted vision. This is one of the most sucessful and more balanced dicussion I've come across.
kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/calling-china
For the efforts and time I invested in seeking the truth, I have been called a Chinese agent many times. I figure I just lay it out here first to save you the typing.
To TraiViet
Don't change the history here, Tibet has been a part of China more than thousands years.
Dailai as a previous governor declared Tibet a country just because Chairman Mao planned bringing democracy to those Tibetan salves who were 95% of previous Tibetan, so Dalai rebelled but failed and fled, the 'country' didn't exist more than one day.
Few Tibetan monks and Dailai's oversea followers who were Tibetan nobles and monks are against China goverment for their different dream, but most current Titetan local people love government, because nobody want to be Dalai and those monks' slaves again.
Can any American, French minority declare independence?
We know the answer
TraiViet, you are cheering for the independence of Tibet just because the viets hate China due to the viet-china war. Stop being a hypocrite. You do not really care about Tibet since you do not even know the history of Tibet. Your mentality is that the enemies of my enemies are my friends.
John Smith: I am not defending China for her poor human rights record. Indeed, China needs to improve. However, every time an American opens his mouth and yeps about human rights issues in other countries, does he know his sincirty is largely doubuted. Do you know why? Think about the poor performance of your own country. Let's not go back too far in the past when Indians were the true owners of America. Let's take a look at the recent war in Iraq. You are incurably brainwashed if you believe that the American troops were fighting for the freedom of the Iraqis or fighting terrorists.
John Smith or alike, please help your own country first. Tell your won country that people in other countries such as Iraq are humans too.
What a cold war mentality! There is nothing about communism left in China although the ruling part is still called 'the communist party'. With China's such a big pile of US dollars and the plunging US dollar, China does not even diversify its assets. That is China has not sold any US dollars. Why? China is not stupid. It does not do so because China does not want to cause any trouble for the US economy, which is in pretty bad shape now due to subprime debacle. Any rumor that China would sell US dollars has caused a big drop in US dollar. You know that if you trade currencies. The plunging US dollar is hurting China now in the short term.
I am a Chinese. Here I have some of my own feelings that I want to tell the people who care about China.
I am very sad about people you say boycotting Olympics. I am the Han. But I have many friends who are minorities, like Tibetans. I love Tibet and love the people live there.
I want to apologize for some ignorances by the Han that minorities live in a poor life and that we, the Han, do not care about their life. Truly, there exist biases and discriminations that many Chinese people more cater for western wealth and despise the people who live in poverty. I am sorry for this.
But there are also some positive facts that I want to mention. China has been making efforts to keep economy development in interior area of China, especially in Tibet. Before 1980, because of high altitude and hardy natural environment in Tibet, people there do not have easy access to the outside world. After the open policy of China, China got richer. The Government put hundreds of billions of dollars in paving roads and railway to Tibet.
Another facet, China did not want to be criticized by religious prohibition,so the government appropriated billions of dollars to refurnish temples in Tibet and other provinces in China and tried to keep improving monks' living standard. After 1980, people have freedoms of religion. Now, I have a religion of Buddhism.
I feel depressed by your criticisms and threatens of boycotting Olympic games. Do you know Chinese people are making every effort to prepare for better understanding by the world with opportunity of Olympic games.
Chinese people want to make the world know that China is changing and we are in the time of change. They have prepared full heartily to welcome you to come to China. All the Chinese people are learning English for better communication with the world in Olympic games. While we are preparing full heartily for the Olympics, you are saying boycotting it. Do you know what is our Chinese people's feeling?
I want democracy, but I also like a stable society. China is changing fast, it is in the time of change. Please trust China will be better.
Regarding to Dalai Lama, I hope he would like to go back to China. China is his homeland. Whatever any disputes that happened in the previous times, Chinese people respect him. Both the Han and Tibetans are in a family.
In the end, I want to apologize again for any discrimination that happened between the Han and Tibetans. I love Tibet and Tibetans.
National Pride or Mental Illness:
The country or person that thinks that others rights should be disregardel is a form of mental illness. The country or person is guided by a group dynamic such as Nation pride (us against them). A narcissist views questions of their behavior as a threat and will fight to keep their false sense of superiority. They will not listen to reason and attack back if their policies or behavior is questioned.
See the quote from Mayo Clinics NPD diagnosis and research the dynamics of groups, teams and countries.
'Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.
When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may also seek out others you think have the same special talents, power and qualities — people you see as equals. You may insist on having 'the best' of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.
But underneath all this grandiosity often lies a very fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.'
John Smith is obviously right.
The desperate arguments of the Chinese colonialists are pure jingoism - in America, slave owners had all kinds of arguments to keep their slaves. One argument eerily similar to that of the Chinese jingoists - we treat our slaves very well, why should we free them!!!
Keep talking, Chinese jingoists (we treat our Tibetans very well garbage ...) & Chinese Imperialists ('monster' Dalai Lama!). The more you speak, the more the world laughs at your ridiculous pretend morality.
We welcome Chinese jingoism's desperate drumbeat. Look forward to their next ridiculous comment. It only helps to keep the fire of Tibetan freedom alive.
If you truely care about human rights, please do the followings instead
of shouting and putting bumper stickers as fashion a statement:
1. Go to Tibet if you can afford, talk to locals and buy goods from locals to help them with their lives
2. If you can not afford, please take a vacation in New Orleans, help the local people there who desperately need help
3. Go to Indian casinos, gamble all the ways to help local Indians. Too sad, do they deserve more!
4. Return California to Mexico, it would certainly hold serveral times more illegal aliens in this country and solve the mounting problems.
Think about what you can do, do not just sit there and type.
I challenge you do it.
Ridiculous, you moron obviously thought that all asian think alike. you think that shaming will work on China. If you believed that the chinese are like the koreans and Japanese who had very strong 'shame' culture. Then you are wrong. First that assumption about Japanese shame culture can be applied to their nation is wrong. The assumption came from the observation of japanese family culture where the parents shame their children into doing their wills (studying hard...)At a national level, you should find the different asian groups don't react well to shaming. you can't observe in anti-whaling campaign against Japan, where the majority of japanese public is behind the whalers.
For us and them, your theory of Nasscistic nationalist could also apply to the US, japan, and Russia. In fact, such reaction is the norm among the powerful nations. The kind of denial of own wrong doing and insisting of holding moral high ground is common place. In the 1950s, Holland oh the peaceful holland fought a very bloody war in indonesia to keep its spice and coffee colony. You will be surprised by the Dutch jingolistic attitude among the dutch public who were just recently freed from the Nazis.
Buddhism has never ever involved in politic since history. Material world and Spiritual world are 2 different things.
Example, A Buddhist Temple is a place purely for prayers (religion).
And a Parliament is for the politicians (politic).
Dalai Lama after receiving so many 'prices' from the material world, has lost his spiritual world. He is now standing on the material world And He is now a 'politician' instead of a 'Pure Spiritual Buddhist leader'.
Please see Buddha quotes as follow:-
'All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?'
'An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind.'
'Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little.'
Buddha
Tibetan are treated equally as the Han Chinese. Conditions in Tibet will improve only when the overall conditions improve in China. That is Tibetans' best bet.
Remy, China is not desperate at all. You guys can yep all the way you want.
Do u see China backs down on Tibet Issues? LOL, not at all...
Millions of Iraqis have been killed. And this Human rights fighter called 'America' is still trying so desperately to justify that pathetic war. Americans please shut the hell up because you have lost all credibility to talk about human rights.
Of course this does not mean that the Chinese gov should not improve its won human rights record. It is just utterly disgusting to see the Americans talk about human rights.
Hi John Smith ( where is your motherland ?)
Any comment regarding the ' Genocide' of 20 millions Red Indians of America?
Where are the Red Indians Cultures representing the America today?
This Buddha quote below is for you John Smith :-
'The tongue like a sharp knife... Kills without drawing blood.'
Buddha
Shhh, ya'll, I am trying to hear what the D Lama is saying to Goverenor Christine Gregoire in the picture: 'And the red tape stops here...'
Do you know why 911 occurred in US but not any where else? Do you know why Bin Ladin has not been captured despite billion dollars wasted and cutting edge technology employed? If you don't know why, you better figure it out before you laugh at somebody else. It is exactly because the stupid people like you are all over the place, who belive people like Bin Ladin so this great coutry is being destroyed!
If you really care about Tibetan and their religion, please send at least half or all of your salary to support Tibetan monks. These monks are non-productive paraiste and they still think they are masters and expect somebody to feed them like the old feudal Tibetan society. It's too bad there are no more slave in Tibet today and people like John Smith are more than welcome to take this role!
in America, slave owners had all kinds of arguments to keep their slaves.
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You are exactly right! Only true slave owner knows the essence of slavery. Now wander American likes Dalai Lama - both are the biggest slave owners at one time and both like their glory past.
Americans,,,,you robbers invaded Iraq!! For oil!!!!
Let's cool down. We don't know what is the nationality of John Smith, he is just a sneaky coward who wants to provoke the relationship between US and China. There are a lot of good people in US and they fully undrestand the importance of cooperation between US and China to create a brighter future for both countries.
Any country that supports or participates in the brutal invasion of IRaq please shut up your big piehole about human rights issues in any other countries. You guys have 0 right and 0 credility to talk about human rights. It is a great insult on the words 'human rights' when they come out of your mouth.
There is a Chinese saying. She who is a hooker puts up sign 'I am a virgin'.
A hooker who admits she is a hooker is much more respectable.
Yes, the Han Chinese are too strong. You can not take arms and free
Tibet from China's map. That is just suicide.
Instead let us set up schools and temples by following Saudi's example,
train up several generations of extremists. After a few decades we may have a chance.
Watch his interview, is that what he said? Is ethnic cleansing what he is promoting at the end?
Look, it is already happening. Monks are setting off explosives by
following the peaceful religion. Are they following that?
How about killing and burning people alive?
Are they following that?
No! Sir! I am just trying connecting the dots.
He should choose one.
If he chooses religion not politics, denounces the monks and others for not following the religion, he would earn my respect. The problem is he has not. Why do you want to get there to loose moral highground which is a powerful weapon? Can someone give an answer?
CCP DRAMAS DONT FOOLS PEOPELS..
When someone says that, do not assume it is just communist sympathizers.
The provocative statements should trigger you to think.
If violence continues, there would be where it would go.
It will play into the CCP hands.
That does not satisfy your cause. It would be truely a suicide as Dalai Lama said.
For the benefits of Tibetans, think more before you act.
RE: Let's not go back too far in the past when Indians were the true owners of America.
Let us stay in the present where all nationalities 'own' America. A much better way for all to contribute to the country. And Americans do make mistakes, watch its people correct them!
Freedom of religion isn't an advertisement, it is a reality. For some who insist on being ignorant, read our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
Let us hope for better relations for all...
video proof, dalai lama oppresses religious freedom
www.youtube.com/v/zdMvBXYRzAw
www.youtube.com/v/aTTpewnUGlo
www.youtube.com/v/akVTiAO2nLg
CCP = Corrupted Cruel Party
These are eye opening !!! These Tibetans and DL act just like terrorists doing everything they say The chinese shouldn't do to the Tibetan people. What hyprocrisy?!
I notice another pattern here, it is that whenever evidences are provided that the Tibetan huggers can not denied. The very next post will be the name callings and slogans.
How sad.
OVer there the f t people have resort to racial slurs. how pathetic that they could not have evidence based arguement. slogans and made up numbers are their only tactic. They also never write anything new. Just keep copying and pasting and repeating the same old story. Now whenever i read the tibet story, i would simply skip the tibet history and condition part, bc they are always the same, and they don't cite where they got their info from.
I suggest Dalai Lama to wear western suite instead of his buddhist robe, which he is not merited at all. Because he is confused regarding his own identity. He just can't meditate anymore. His 'Buddhist Light' is completely wipe out.
'The Norwegian government and other governments have to support them in their fight,' Solheim said. 'Even if it means that they risk losing business deals or their relationship with China. Who wants to be friends with or do business with a brutal tyranny anyway?'
Tenzin Gaytso should be forbidden to wear buddaist robe because he is not qualified to be a monk since long time ago. He is just pretend to be a humble monk and used buddaism to cheat people. Don't be fooled by his appearance and nobody knows what he's thinking in his mind. He is a dirty politician. Allow him to continue to wear buddaist robe is the greatest insult to buddaism.
Actually,you some West don't really know the Chinese History!Tibet is a part of China since from the Yuan Dynastey!!
Can we just step back from this sovereignty issue over tibet for a second.
I go to a western international school in Australia. We have plenty of Chinese students. I'm well read, but it is still incredible to hear a Chinese student say: 'I hate the Dalai Lama and Tibetans'. It's unbelievable for me, even though out of the white kids, I know the Chinese students the best because I go out of my way to make them feel welcome. Thus I really identify with Caiyia's posting before.
But can we just all understand some things. There are protests planned for the Olympic torch relay in our capital, by 1,000 Chinese students. This is because the Chinese have stated they detest the 'lack of true media' in the west, and the 'corrupt news network' that is 'CNN'.
Can we just see we all want the same thing? True and fair media?
Then there's the idea the west is scared by the Chinese economy. Hell No! It is keeping the world out of a recession with the economic decline of the US. Makes australia rich off resources too.
Thus, we all want development.
If you want a debate over Tibet... Fine. Look at statistics, history, quotes by the Dalai lama, (for example whether he has actually stated he opposes the development of china). But the emotive: 'I hate so and so' does nothing. In our school, there needs to be understanding for the place to work. Just like the world.
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