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SP4: Boy, Kin really knowsAug 5th, 2009 - 16:46:50

...how to pull this President's strings...

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AhhhAug 5th, 2009 - 16:57:25

go smoke your pipe, SP, this was a great moment, and you would want everything possible done (at least one would think) if your family was involved! Hats off to Pres. Clinton - his expertise is something this country needs to keep within reach.

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@ SP4: Boy, Kin really knowsAug 5th, 2009 - 17:56:45

hey idiots stick, who is 'Kin'?

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I wishAug 5th, 2009 - 18:00:11

they had sent George the Texas village idiot, or 'The Dick'. Maybe they would have kept them. All the better for us, and for sure would have drove them crazy.

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sp'sassAug 5th, 2009 - 18:14:43

I can't believe that this is happening. The sheer audacity of these defeatist libnazis to use diplomacy to pervert our war on terror is upsetting to say the least. Some collateral damage is to be expected,
even necessary, along the glorious path towards victory over Evil.
But these chicken-hearted peace freaks will bend over and submit to enemy, every time, without even trying to win. They just don't want to pay for the cost of freedom. When will they ever learn that making war should be left to the professionals in the military? We must not allow cowards and traitors to undermine our cause.

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SP4: No dickheads, the difference is thisAug 5th, 2009 - 18:33:32

...Bush, correctly, knows that while the moronic automatons of the left paint this as success, there are about 1,000 other prisoners, among them an innocent Japanese girl who was kidnapped at the tender age of 17 from a Japanese city, and that by capitulating to this hostage crisis, they set the stage for future abductions for the purpose of manipulating the west...as they just succeeded at with the moron above playing Bozo for the N. Koreans.

Now, what other tricks can Kim make Hillary's lap dog do?....foundation money, perhaps?

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SP4: you're right about BushAug 5th, 2009 - 18:43:38

...he, correctly, knows that by doing this, Mr. Kim has every incentive to continue doing this. Now, how many more visits will it take to get the rest of the kidnapped, abducted, and imprisoned out of N. Korea? Hell, Bill Clinton is now Kim's Monica Lewinsky....

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sp'sassAug 5th, 2009 - 20:03:04

Yeah, it's so much fun watching a terrorist sympathizing demonrat crawling on his belly to suck up to the son of of all Evil communist.
To bad he didn't have the courage to bring a big bomb into the place and take care of business the way we like it done.

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@ SP4: No dickheads, the difference is thisAug 5th, 2009 - 20:55:46

Typical of an idiotic conservative, can't argue without shouting or swearing...

'...Bush, correctly, knows that while the moronic automatons of the left paint this as success, there are about 1,000 other prisoners, among them an innocent Japanese girl who was kidnapped at the tender age of 17 from a Japanese city, and that by capitulating to this hostage crisis, they set the stage for future abductions for the purpose of manipulating the west...as they just succeeded at with the moron above playing Bozo for the N. Koreans.'

Exactly what does this have to do with Clinton being much more of a success than Bush. Higher approval ratings, left the country with low unemployment and a budget excess and able to work across the aisle to get things done even though the idiots on the right spend millions of dollars trying to prove things that made absolutely no difference to the average american. Juts the opposite of the Bush administration, don't you think?

'Now, what other tricks can Kim make Hillary's lap dog do?....foundation money, perhaps?'

Another typical response from the sites 'village idiot'. Cannot argue a point so throw stupid lies into the equation, showing lack of facts and education.

Don't you ever tire of getting your as* handed to you? Guess lack of education does this.

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@ SP4: you're right about BushAug 5th, 2009 - 21:00:50

I know I am right about Bush, he was a complete and total failure.

'...he, correctly, knows that by doing this, Mr. Kim has every incentive to continue doing this. Now, how many more visits will it take to get the rest of the kidnapped, abducted, and imprisoned out of N. Korea? Hell, Bill Clinton is now Kim's Monica Lewinsky....'

He knew nothing, that is why everything he tried ended in failure (just like his business ventures in private life). Don't you think what happened today was great? Or are you so stupid and jaded that no matter what happens it is never enough unless it is done by a conservative. Well maybe the conservatives should start looking for positive things to accomplish instead of being the Grand Obstruction Party? I believe this is called loosing your way. The only thing positive in your world is that your hero Rush has lost weight. Remember idiots stick, you are the only one on this board that has quoted Rush Limpbaugh and thought that was an intelligent move. Ha, ha, ha!

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By the way idiots stickAug 5th, 2009 - 21:02:43

Who is Kin?

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Idiot's Stick........Aug 6th, 2009 - 00:13:05

can't type or read - whichever.

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SP4: Maybe monkey boyAug 6th, 2009 - 00:27:29

...Kin is Lvack's brother, eh?

The other glaring omission here: Not a single solitary complaint about what Kim is doing.....people just think it's O.K....?

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@SP4: Maybe monkey boyAug 6th, 2009 - 00:38:54

'...Kin is Lvack's brother, eh?'

the fact that you would actually call anyone on a spelling error is akin to George Bush calling someone stupid. Not only funny, but extremely funny.

'The other glaring omission here: Not a single solitary complaint about what Kim is doing.....people just think it's O.K....?'

Only in your demented mind. Where did 'people jut think it's O.K...?' Another unsubstantiated stupid statement by the brain-dead SP4. I know you don't know how to do this, but please back up this statement with ay type of facts. Please put up or shut up!

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The point is.........Aug 6th, 2009 - 03:52:04

if Bush were still pres. under these same circumstances and results, SP would be singing his praises from the rooftops.

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SP4 says:Aug 6th, 2009 - 04:28:46

'No dickheads,'
Firstly, this site has one. It's called SP4.
Secondly, if he was trying to attempt to form a negative rebuttal to something, there must be a comma after the word 'no.'
But seeing as how Dickhead#1 can't spell, create a sensible sentence, or say anything without puking up some profanity, what else could be expected?
I wonder what cVntface has to say about that. Nothing intelligent or intelligible, and that is guaranteed.

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@ SP4 says:Aug 6th, 2009 - 04:51:24

I love it, the real SP4 comes to the surface. When one is as wrong as often as he is, and is as stupid as he is, eventually they have to get frustrated. Need to go back on the booze SP4, take care of that liver.

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SP4: 'Bill!....'Aug 6th, 2009 - 14:27:35

'...I'd like you to pick up a couple of girls Bill...'

'....that typically costs about $400.00 babe....'

'No Bill, two Asian girls....'

'...sure hon...just takes a little longer...guess I could cruise Georgetown maybe...save the cash....co ed's OK?'

'...no Bill...these are in N. Korea....'

'...well hon, no real need to go that far, but if that's what get's your jollies...'

'..no Bill, they're prisoners Bill...'

'...well hon...everyone is a prisoner there....ya know?...'

'...Bill...listen...these are american reporters...they got arrested and Kim's holding them and he will release them only to you....'

'...wow...a sure thing!...when do I leave?...'

'aw jesus!...'

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sp'sassAug 6th, 2009 - 15:10:04

Yeah, a couple of girls seems like a lot more fun, unless you are a log cabin, loose 'Gannon' gay, republican, who likes to find his man at a public urinal. Who cares what color, as long as he drives a big rig.

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SP4: I'd agree, SP'azzAug 6th, 2009 - 15:43:58

...a republican who never perpetrated:

having a girl delivered, like a pizza, to his hotel room by the Arkansas (who else?) state police, where he touched her and exposed himself.

White Water

Lied under oath to a federal judge

Lost his law license as a result

took campaign funds to pardon Marc Rich (whos charge was technically moot because the law he was charged under was repealed and no longer a crime)

took chinese and russian campaign funds for influence giving China MFN status

buried law records

used his power differential to seduce a young girl in his employ

Presently runs a 'foundation' that has sold and still, sells his wife's influence who happens to be a cabinet level offical.

Besides Sp'azz, even if he did do it, and there is only the officer's word since when is rubbing another person's foot supposedly illegal? Why is it libnazis are so eager to believe an officer with a foot rubbed by a republican, but recoil at another officer who arrests a black professor?

Libnazis....


you were saying???

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Get a plumber!Aug 6th, 2009 - 15:49:56

The toilet's backed-up and there is Sh*tPile4 all over the floor.

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SP4: well, easierAug 6th, 2009 - 16:21:40

..than getting monkey boy (12) a brain.....by the way, did you ever discover what 'lvack' is? Be sure to get back to us on that. Notice he has no objections when he uses profanity, just when others do...

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@SP4: well, easierAug 6th, 2009 - 16:42:32

'..than getting monkey boy (12) a brain.....by the way, did you ever discover what 'lvack' is? Be sure to get back to us on that. Notice he has no objections when he uses profanity, just when others do...'

You are so stupid you don't even know who is talking to you. I have never used profanity, but you can lie about that to, don't want you to change your tactics.

Hey idiots stick, the 'lvack' was not mine either, but I love seeing you blather about that. By the way please tell us who 'Kin' is again? Poor old man (are you using Depends yet), so stupid and so wrong.

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sp'sassAug 6th, 2009 - 18:17:00

Thanks for reminding me, since I almost forgot. Being a gay, or a womanizer is equally righteous under God's eyes, as long as the person is
a card carrying republican in the C street Christian club.

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SP4: orAug 6th, 2009 - 18:58:12

...a lewd, lecherous, lying, law breaking, corrupt, bribe taking, perjurous ,culture of grievence, disingenuous, influence peddling libnazi lawyer, with delusions of god-hood and mindless automatons who nevere use the same yardstick on him that they measure the right with...eh spazz?

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sp'sassAug 6th, 2009 - 19:40:25

Now sp, bro, are you talking about a particular person, or all lawyers?
How about the politicians paid by the govmint, and their lobbyist pals?
Isn't it all about money, prestige, and power? I hope the govmint politically correct police and the revenuers don't get in they way of personal gain.

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Jesus .H.Christ............Aug 6th, 2009 - 19:47:56

If your looking for an intelligent debate don't bother coming back to M&C.

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Hey JesusAug 6th, 2009 - 20:12:40

If you are looking for intelligence, forget it. Anything that SP4 is involved with always ends up having to be dumbed down so he will understand. The only thing he knows is profanity and shouting, typical dimwit conservative.

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tonny from belgiumAug 6th, 2009 - 21:20:18

Of course an intelligent debate is still possible here.We could discuss Pavlov's dog's conditioned reflex for example.Just mention Clinton,Obama,Gore and in a matter of hours Pavlov's dog will salivate all over the place.That is what psychologists call a conditioned reflex.It never fails .It does not involve any level of intelligence,just patience And the well trained animal will reproduce whatever Rush Limbaugh cares to produce .

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@ tonnyAug 6th, 2009 - 21:26:08

I only wish we had our board back. Since SP4 came along intelligent debate is impossible. One cannot reason with one who refuses to admit when one of their heros makes a mistake. Oh well there are plenty of boards with out SP4.

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@ SP4: orAug 7th, 2009 - 04:23:15

'...a lewd, lecherous, lying, law breaking, corrupt, bribe taking, perjurous ,culture of grievence, disingenuous, influence peddling libnazi lawyer, with delusions of god-hood and mindless automatons who nevere use the same yardstick on him that they measure the right with...eh spazz?'

I do believe this is a rant worthy of a drug addled right winger like Glenn Beck. Bunch of lies in this rant like Beck, bunch of misstatements in this rant just like Beck. I guess SP4 is Glenn Beck without an education. Must have been the drug and/or alcohol problem SP4 has? Rotten that old brain of his. Wrong, stupid and old what a great combination.

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tonny from belgumAug 7th, 2009 - 09:03:12

Cheer up guys,democracy includes indulging those you fundamentally disagree with,even if they are completely retarded .I guess many think it is frustrating but look at reality,your country is moving forward anyway.There is a great opportunity for health care for all americans if plans succeed .Once that has happened the lunatic right wing fringe will loose even much more of it's influence and many will find out how they have been lied to;evenually even SP4,miracles happen.all these years concerning socialized health care.THat will mean the end of the GOP plain and simple.It is up to all of you to make it happen.Remember the majority of the US population wants socialized health care but you willo find nobody at all in europe wanting to adopt private health care as you are suffering from.Good luck and indulge the fringe.

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GordAug 7th, 2009 - 15:11:01

SP is a sick basta*d who'll turn a situation like this into a rambling about Clinton. And, no, there can't be a decent discussion with SP around with his holier-than-thou attitude. He sounds like an evil little man.

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SP4: Actually Tonny....Aug 7th, 2009 - 16:59:55

...the GOP is COUNTING on the health care plan passing (heh, heh, heh)...that is probably why it will. The curious part is why, with control (using the term loosely) of both houses of Congesss and a liberla President, the dems cannot seem to pass it on their own???

L
O
L...

Now run along and try to do the math on that, and be sure to get back to us.

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Hey idiots stickAug 7th, 2009 - 17:46:52

Just what is Congesss?

In spite of the Grand Obstruction Party, the health care bill will in fact pass. The lies of you and your right wing idiot buddies will not stop it. 71% of the country wants it, seems to me to be a majority.

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WonderingAug 7th, 2009 - 18:08:04

who the hell is 'us' this SP keeps referring to?? He has to be working alone in his dank, dreary basement.

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SP4: well professor Idiot boyAug 7th, 2009 - 18:42:21

...here's one for you: Why haven't they passed it???


Heck, they control both houses of congress, the Presidency, and god knows they can do this in a heartbeat.

The fact is, there is serious reservations in the dem party about this and a bunch of dems are holding back. This is why Obama is trolling for republicans to help. The GOP???

They want this to pass.

Once they ball up 84 million peoples health care, and they will,(just look at Medicaid, etc.)the next election cycle will be upon them...

so, idiot boy, run along and inform yourself. Pass it??? The sooner the better!

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Once again.......Aug 7th, 2009 - 19:34:02

it sounds like S tupid P erson wants the government to fail regardless of the cost to the citizens, in order for the GOP to get back in. And for those people who don't want the government involved with their health plan.........well, HELLO, what do those same idiots think Medicare and farm subsidies are???

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TruebritAug 7th, 2009 - 23:20:56

Pavlov's dogs, tonny? You mean like your conditioned reflex to change the subject on any thread to health provision? Got any more bullsh*t statistics for us, Tin-tin?

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SP4: well TrubritAug 7th, 2009 - 23:41:02

..someone here can certainly do the math.

Heck, if Obama could NOT get this passed, he'd be the biggest weenie since Bobby Kennedy. Seriously, any bill like this that even dems have serious reservations on MUST be a real stinker. After all, why is it that Bill Clinton fed his wife to the dogs when her health care iniative failed??? How about he liked his job...?

More math, Tonny, eh? I'll admit though, it's a lot tougher than just running to child mortality rates.

Trubrit let me ask you this: If the US GDP is 12.6 trillion, and we have, annualized, a !% negative growth, isn't that $126 billion? If it is, and 2% growth is, technically, not a recession, isn't this mess about an economy that has shrunk $378 billion? Would any reasonable person conclude that, provided all the financial insitiutions were sound, even if they were hurt, that $3.4 trillion was applied for reasons other than simply stimulating the economy?

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tonny from belgiumAug 7th, 2009 - 23:45:01

It is the most important issue in the USA for the moment truebrit.I 'm sorry if none of it transpires in this website so indulge me ...or not,little do I care .

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@ SP4: well professor Idiot boyAug 8th, 2009 - 00:08:48

...here's one for you: Why haven't they passed it???

Well idiot's stick, it is pretty hard to pass a bill that has not even been up for a vote. I would think an idiot's stick like you would even know that---god your stupid. By the way when it does come up for a vote, it will pass.

Heck, they control both houses of congress, the Presidency, and god knows they can do this in a heartbeat.'

And they will as soon as it comes up for a vote, again one of the more stupid questions even for you.

'The fact is, there is serious reservations in the dem party about this and a bunch of dems are holding back. This is why Obama is trolling for republicans to help. The GOP???'

The 'fact is' you are an idiot. If the Grand Obstruction Party does not get out of the way, it will be passed without them.

'They want this to pass.'

But of course they are bunch of 'big boy pus*ies' like you SP4 and do not want to do anything to upset the bible thumping, tobacco chewing, gapped tooth rednecks that support them because they are a bunch of racists.

'Once they ball up 84 million peoples health care, and they will,(just look at Medicaid, etc.)the next election cycle will be upon them...'

You just have a couple of drinks and pop a few pills. This sentence makes no sense, god I wish you would get some education.

'so, idiot boy, run along and inform yourself. Pass it??? The sooner the better!'

I have forgot more than you know idiots stick. You are just someone/something I like to play with, a loser.

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tonny from belgiumAug 8th, 2009 - 06:47:25

Well SP4 if ever the universal health care plan as proposed by Obama fails to make it through congress ,as is possible indeed,it will be a great defeat for the american people .No less than 68 percent of the US population are in favour of it.Of course that means little to you ,.But to me it will be clear that corporate lobbies detain more power than the population.It will be up to the US population to oust those that oppose universal health care in the next elections and of course reintroduce the original plans without changing a single iota.
It can not be tolerated that the health care lobby is stronger than the population in your country ,ever.
Did I strike a nerve ,SP4?
Your long rant containing nothing but silly insults seems to indicate that .

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tonny from belgiumAug 8th, 2009 - 06:54:27

I think you should read more articles like this SP4
themoderatevoice.com/36314/poll-shows-most-americans-want-public-health -care/
You claim to live in a 'free' country,right ?then explain to me why the majority of the people are unable to gain their will,explain to us why a small minority of your population with the money of the health care industry should be successful in opposing the elected officials of your own population.

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By the way.........Aug 8th, 2009 - 13:13:17

did anyone know that two journalists were freed?? Was it all because of the debate on the health care plan??

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SP4: I knowAug 8th, 2009 - 16:06:04

whenever Tonny see's Obama being exposed for what Ralph Nader called the 'corporate Candidate' a limit switch in his ass goes off and we have to hear the myth all over again.

And what a myth it is: Corporate welfare for his in-debt unions i.e. GM to the tune of $75 billion (so far...) and a magic reinfusion of cash to an indebted union (the REAL bailout!) ....his Countrywide friends in Congress, Dodd, Frank, etc., 'reforming' finance, the marionette stings taut, while they greenlight $500 million for their OWN jet fleet, presumably because they can no longer ride on corporate jets until, at least, the second term...honestly, the numbers are so impressive it makes Bush and Cheney look like they were running a flower stand in Baker County. The endless exposure, day after day of 'stimulus' money going to wash cars in Sacramento, to Obama's political allies, a fired Inspector General for him blowing the whistle, the stink rising in every corner and to think just a few years ago, the Bush admin with Alberto 'Pinata'' Gonzales was busting congressmen for what Obama now cash flows. It makes Bush and Cheney look like saints.

Health care? Heck, he has both houses and his own pen, so I give this fools errand at least a 75% chance of passing, although the stiff resistance is impressive, to say the least. Pelosi's own sins of torture have been washed away as indulgences bought and paid for by the libnazi church, so she'll run the Inquisition to get this done if it costs her her soul. The only thing missing are men and women dressed in red and marching up the aisles.

Meanwhile, we are supposed to believe that some 'reporters' who 'worked' for some Al Gore 'journalistic' entity just 'happened' to go over the North Korean Border (after all..it's soooo easy!) where the little Polyanna's are held, and guess who just happens to be the propaganda boy de jour:

The Husband of the Seceratary of State.....!....?

Anyone buying this yet?

No Tonny, a new Gitmo in Afghanistan, antiwar dissidence disappeared, not a peep about torture, bailouts, rendition to foreign nations, outsourced torture, warrantless taps, and all those oldies but goodies Obama irresponsibly promised to end, but they are just to useful.

The pig now dresses as the farmer...and dresses way, way better.

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sAug 8th, 2009 - 16:09:17

The case for regime change in the USA

A president and respected physicist of a Californian technologies company
dips into journalism to make his case for a more transparent United States
of America.

'Strange times are those in which we live when old and young are taught in
falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called
at once a lunatic and a fool' - Plato

'And those who perform jihad for us, we shall certainly guide them in our
ways, and God is surely with the doers of good.' (Quran XXXIX; 69)

'You have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad.' (Hadith)

To all who read and understand: it is time to take the next step in
understanding. After careful and meticulous research, including access to
files and data guarded by the United States Government, I have uncovered
information that has been written about, talked about, read about, and in
many cases silenced to protect and to confuse those who wish to uncover its
not so guarded secrets.

Careful and planned exposure of this information seems to be the only way to
begin the process of enlightenment of not just the American people but all
peoples of this planet who are considered common men and women.

We cannot blame the 'United States Government' for our woes, but ourselves
for allowing our own Constitution to manipulate and control not just us but
others in its path towards imperial rule, which by the way was why some
people left England to come to the Americas to rid themselves of that
tyranny.
True democracy does not impede growth or dominate others. It was established
to be a beacon for those who wish to call on its existence and only that. We
do not have the right to impose democracy on nations or peoples who do not
truly ask for it.

The United States in its own right is a terrorist country imposing
pseudo-democratic policies through crafty methods - controlling without
regard to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Regime change within
the United States should be seriously considered.

Fact: the United States has in its possession weapons of mass destruction,
so why does not the United Nations impose restrictions against the United
States?

Fear is the reason why no nation or individual will want to go up against
this Goliath! Well I have a small stone, I know where to throw it, and if I
have to by myself so be it.

The fact that Thomas Jefferson who co-authored the now infamous doctrine of
democracy himself was an advocate of slaves.

Hypocrisy runs through the veins of the elite American people who control
the destinies and lives of so many people.

What we all must learn is that the power in change is in the people that
make up the majority of the civilized and so-called uncivilized world.


What gives this small group of people their control over us is the fact that
they know we all will not collectively give up our lives to get back control
of the government and rid ourselves of the self-serving politicians and
business executives that control what we eat, where we sleep, who to like
and not like, what to read, what to write, how to dress, how and who to
love, who to hate, what race is superior, who gets education, who not, where
to travel, who lives, who dies, who eats, who does not eat, who gets elected
in office, who does not get elected, who is popular and who is not, who is
'in' who is not, what clothes to wear, what not, what movie or music star is
in, which one is not, who to disrespect who to not, who to be prejudice to
and who to not, what freedoms we have and have not, who gets destroyed, who
not, who must accept the 'way' and who not, who goes to prison, and who not,
and the list goes on into infinity.

Remember that in the Constitution it does allow for bloodless regime change
within the government as long as we stand together and collectively vote for
our freedoms back.
Rid ourselves of the electoral college and other manipulative organizations
that are self-serving their own agendas at the expense, hard work and lives
of so many innocent and misguided people that are here within the borders of
despair.

The French Government should formally request that the Statue of Liberty be
returned to France. We all know what it was for.

The United States has over many years systematically infiltrated other
nations to 'weed' out the non-conformers to the so-called Democratic process
and replace those with the showroom dummies of democracy.
Granted, the United States has some freedom of movement for its people but
not the way it was originally intended. Look at Africa, South America, and
parts of Europe, Asia and other nations that are sucking the teat of the cow
and its sour milk.

Collectively, we the people of the world should stand up and be counted on
to rid ourselves of individuals who are ignorant of their own ignorance and
replace this Constitution with one that includes all religions, all peoples,
all races, all nations and all who feel left out and want to be what they
want to be without the constraints of prejudice and restrictive law. Not to
run lawless but have the right to be an individual and collectively correct
this turmoil we are in.

The Earth is trying to warn us that we are spinning out of control and that
we need to correct ourselves soon or the earth will rid itself of this
infection and parasite called mankind that is slowly destroying its primary
intent to allow its inhabitants the freedom to live be fruitful and multiply
to the extent of finding a way to leave this planet and journey to others
and spread some sort of reason rather than an infectious spore.

I am a physicist and a patriot who, through years of being silent, had
almost forgotten my obligations. It is high time I and others like me use
our intellect and technology to stand up against an oppressor and rid
ourselves of this infection. We are a legion that wants to live a life of
peace and respect for all living things and have considerations for those
who are different and look for ways to truly accommodate those who are slow
in understanding.

We do not need your help just your patience and understanding of what we are
about.

We are America's best-kept secret that just got out of the 'keep'.

Judah Ben-Hur
Physicist

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SP4: BenAug 8th, 2009 - 16:15:38

'....do you have any history of mental illness in your family?'

'...my uncle thinks he's St. Jerome!'

'...I'd give that a big 'yes!''....Dr. Peter Vechman

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And..........Aug 8th, 2009 - 16:45:43

two journalists were freed.........

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TruebritAug 8th, 2009 - 17:41:41

And...

I think everyone's forgotten about the article, mate. Best just go with the flow eh? SP and tonny locked in mortal combat over health, and now the Prince of Hur's driven into the lists in his virtual quadriga again. That's always a terrible omen for the health of any thread! We'll have little Gaiacomm antenna spams from arsehole to breakfast time before long.

SP, what I take you to mean by your question is;

'do you think the sainted Barack is using the stimulus excuse to introduce designedly permanent Socialist initiatives, heavily disguised as temporary Keynesian fiscal policy measures?'

Tell me what's represented by the figure of $3.4 trillion that you quote and I'll have a go at answering. By the way, the US GDP was $14.2646 trillion last year, not $12.6

tonny, nice to see you back, you insufferably sanctimonious Euro-prig. It's a pity that your superb Belgian single-payment health system doesn't seem to be able to cure you of your monomania about the American Medicare/Medicaid funded one. Perhaps you should go stateside for therapy!

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HmmmAug 8th, 2009 - 18:11:46

interesting how so-called 'foreigners' seem to have the answers to the problems in the U.S. Guess they solved all their own countries' messes, and they are intent on relaying their expertise across the pond.

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And.....Aug 8th, 2009 - 19:24:53

maybe some are right and some wrong as heaven knows, most people in the States aren't sure what's the solution. Some Canadians think they have the perfect health system, while others feel it's the pits - so round and round it goes, and where it stops no one knows.

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TruebritAug 8th, 2009 - 21:13:11

Looks like my post has been removed?

Probably because I used a naughty word. Here it is again, suitably expurgated.

And...

I'd give up if I were you! Few comments here have anything to do with the article. Go with the flow, eh? SP4 and tonny are locked in mortal combat over the US health issue. Now, The Prince of Hur has stormed into sight on his virtual Quadriga; usually the death knell for any thread. A terrible omen at the very least. Unbounded Gaiacomm antenna spam will ensue as surely as night follows day.

SP4; I take your question to mean;

'Do you believe that Obama is using his stimulus package to sneak in permanent socialist economic restructuring behind a thin veil of 'temporary' Keynesian fiscal policy measures.'

Tell me what the $3.4 trillion figure you quote pertains to, and I'll have a go at answering.

Tonny, nah! Can't be bothered and you're so insignificant I can't remember what I said, now.

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TruebritAug 8th, 2009 - 21:18:59

Oops! The 1st post's still there. Either I'm sloshed or this computer's playing up? Probably both.

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SP4: gooood!Aug 9th, 2009 - 16:03:08

$14.26 billion, eh?. I think there's a play in that, somewhere. I keep forgetting just how much Bush grew it. Seriously, it is true commentary on just how much you can abuse something and it still keeps on ticking.

Two women freed? Is that the story here? Honestly, the temptation is just too much to bear:

'Bill...I need you to pick up two girls...'

'..sure babe!...I knew you'd come around!...by th way, nice dress..real slimming...'

'no Bill...they're in N, Korea....'

'..gosh hon...you don't have to go that far....gimme a presidential limo and I'll come back with cheerleaders...'

'...no Bill...they work for Al Gore....'

'...gee hon...they are probably pretty attractive and, by now, have learned not to talk too much...probably gonna still need that brown bag we use when, well, you know...I say we pick up co ed's in Georgetown...come to think of it I think that's why Stepanopolis had to go...'

'...no Bill...they're captive...you need to go get them...here's the brief cases...'


Honestly, I could do twenty paragraphs on this and if Tonny will drop his paranoia and just shut up about health care, I'll come up with something really creative! I mean jesus, if these dem libnazi fairies cnnot get THIS done, what are they good for?

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MPAug 10th, 2009 - 01:00:56

Only SP would try to make what was a great end to an upsetting episode into a disgusting play by play.

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TruebritAug 10th, 2009 - 01:50:44

Well, getting the girls back was a good result. But why were they there to begin with?

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FYIAug 10th, 2009 - 03:41:48

The journalists were on assignment along the border with China investigating the plight of North Korean refugees and human trafficking victims. NK has a history of abducting innocent foreigners so it's doubtful that their claim that the woman crossed the border was true. An example of the terror of the region was that a woman was recently executed for distributing the banned 'Bible' and all her family thrown in jail so there was a real fear for the safety and well being of these journalists. SP is a fool who tries to turn every incident into a joke. He isn't entertaining anyone but himself.

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TruebritAug 11th, 2009 - 20:17:12

Thanks, FYI.

I wasn't genned up on how they were captured initially. The North Koreans do have a history of snatching hostages. As I said, good result getting them back. Don't be too harsh on SP4. He's keeping me amused. You see....

...'The Samaritans' were engaged.

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