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No more LOANS from China....Sep 26th, 2008 - 14:03:38

China has just told all their domestic banks to stop lending money to the US through the Interbank , until this financial mess is cleared up.

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SP4: do the mathSep 26th, 2008 - 14:50:43

Dems control congress

a bill has been agreed to

the president has, more or less, greenlighted it

republicans have some objections

bill is now 'sunk?????'

how so?

dems must not have enough votes on thier side of aisle. I wonder why?

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MNSep 26th, 2008 - 14:59:27

Many are putting the blame for this mess on procedures from the past - well, that's not gonna solve the problem right now. Time to quit backtracking and concentrate on repairing the situation, and, hopefully, learn a few things in the process.

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JakeSep 26th, 2008 - 15:44:15

McCain is starting to look a little green around the gills - probably worrying about the debate that he might not get out of, and worrying about what a dud Palin is turning out to be. She'll do some checkin and get back to ya!!!! Couric looked like she felt she was talking to a grade school kid, and rightly so!!

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Shaddup tonnySep 26th, 2008 - 17:44:17

'To me this seems fair ,it should be adopted fast but I wonder why it is not approved yet.Anybody any ideas?'

Yes, here is an idea: fix your own craphole of a country.

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lanceSep 26th, 2008 - 18:48:04

'Henry Paulson realized the economy was headed for serious trouble - a 'long and painful recession,' Bush said Wednesday night'


I'm a GOD DAMN ORIGINAL American! That means I will never submit to REAL terrorists. That includes ass holes that try to blackmail me and my fellow citizens for a trillion dollar welfare ransom.

I say you can take your filthy moronic con game and shove it!

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in the mean time, in the real worldSep 26th, 2008 - 19:03:07

Washington Mutual is down the tubes. Wachovia shares are down 21%. National City Corporation, another bank, is down 27%. The FDC has a watch list of 117 troubled banks. Can you say: 'the financial sector is a dinosaur in it's death throws?' It really must suck to be a yank these days.

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SP4: No thanks, Tonny.Sep 26th, 2008 - 19:35:37

tonny from belgiumSep 26th, 2008 - 15:25:20

Meanwhile here is Obama's blueprint for the rescue plan.I'm wondering which part SP4 is having a problem with:

sp4 - answer - all of it.

1. Taxpayers should have equity, not just
debt. This means they will have an upside as well as a downside.

sp4 - ...and an endless involvement. Equity involves responisbility. Do you see any of that in Congress?
No thanks. I want this clipped and cut loose from the public as fast as possible. Auction off the debt, make any profits from it tax free and capital will show up immediately. It already is, in fact. The A playrs are already stepping in for the kill. Grease it with tax breaks and half of this disappears immediately.


2. Oversight will be bipartisan and without conflicts of interest.

sp4 - in other words, power grab by the legislative branch and weaken the executive branch, after they were the one's who caused the problem in the first place - no thanks

3. Homeowners must be helped as well as their lenders in this mess.

sp4 - in other words, buy the contract once, then buy it again by paying for it monthly? Is this what Belgians call a great deal? If so, have I got a deal for you...

. This means a moratorium on foreclosures involving principal residences. This could be done without infusion, but with non-cash backstopping and would help stop the property price crash.

sp4 - Buy a contract twice? Is this what Belgians call a good deal? Any other great ideas?

4. Caps on salaries and other compensation will be strictly imposed on any institution that receives tax dollars.

sp4 - Or perhaps, tell them they can make as much as they like, if they will just take care of it. How much capital would flow in if you made any gains tax free? I think you should look at $401K's and the money that flowed in the moment they were greenlighted, then ask yourself why we do not do the same for this?

To me this seems fair ,it should be adopted fast but I wonder why it is not approved yet.Anybody any ideas?

sp4 - Yeah, I have an idea: Probably because the GOP and half the dems are throwing up at what amounts to an endless government involvement in the credit markets. If the dems truely wanted this, they have the clout to pass it and you can bet the president would sign it. My bet is that the dems cannot sell it to their own, let alone the GOP. If so, it would be done already.

The reality Tonny is that the government caused this. Bush and McCain tried to stem this, but the libnazi elite spent their time pillorying Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales instead of doing the hard work, made all the harder by the $$ the dems took for their part in this mess.

That being the case, why would I want more of it?

Wanna fix this? have a five year tax moratorium on any profits from buying and dealing with the mortgages. Back it with a five year captial gains moratorium, plus an additional spiff for any governemtn held mortgage in any of these institutions that someone else disposes of, at a gain. I'll guarantee capital will arrive, like it is on a magic carpet, and the american public won't pay a dime, except for some taxes they were never going to get anyway.

Five years.


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reminds me the lee greenwood songSep 26th, 2008 - 19:37:20

That I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up . . next to you and defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
bush f--ked the USA.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--oSep 26th, 2008 - 20:07:28

How did we get in to this mess?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Blame for Fannie & Freddie belongs with Democrats

By Ross Balano, Midwest Voices Columnist 2008

From Barack Obama to Nancy Pelosi and on down the Democrat ladder can be heard the shrill voices blatantly lying through their teeth blaming George W. Bush for the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is simply not true.

In a New York Times article published September 11, 2003, The Times reported that indeed it was Bush who wanted more and tighter regulation. It was Bush who saw the problems in the future and proposed legislation to head off these problems with Democrats fighting against it.

You can read the entire article here but here are a couple of important excerpts:

“The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.”

“Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.”

“The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.”

''There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,'' Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.

“Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies.”

And then goes on to say:

“Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.”

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

“Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.”

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

For Democrats to try to lay the blame for this mess at the feet of Republicans alone is nothing less than shameful.

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What a Mess !!!!!Sep 26th, 2008 - 20:54:46

Bush, McCain ,Obama and everyone else are now running around Wall St in ever decreasing circles, just like a bunch of headless chickens......
Never in the history of the US have we ever seen such a bunch of incompetent fools...

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Is this the beginning of the end?Sep 26th, 2008 - 21:24:23

Yup!

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SP4: and the penny drops...Sep 26th, 2008 - 21:27:25

It seems that the dems handed Bush a real stinker on a plate and he was all ready to sign...ever wonder why?

So they could use him, like they did for the Iraq war, to pass this lemon and then use him for cover in November. Only one problem:

The GOP will tear them apart for it in November, so they need them to cover it with votes.

So, Nancy and Harry insist the GOP backs this lemon

They said no. God, I love being a Republican!

They want mortgage insurance, the worse the mortgage, the higher the premium...and, as you can imagine a few other things...

So, Bush was happy to kotterize this lemon and his party put the brakes on...for everyone else.

Just when I was bitching about the GOP...

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both partiesSep 26th, 2008 - 23:22:45

are totally under the control of the corpratocracy. Neither party can offer us anything more than stealing our paychecks to subsidize the corporations.

It's just that each party does it differently. Obama will have us subsidizing pension plans, and not our own social security, and he will have us subsidizing Fannie and Freddie and all those developers who work in redevelopment.

We need a thrid party now. Because this government is now incapable of doing the right thing.

This 2 party system just doesn't work anymore.

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TO: SP4Sep 26th, 2008 - 23:37:58

You say: 'God, I love being a Republican!'
The truth is you love being an idiot.
You say: 'It seems that the dems handed Bush a real stinker on a plate and he was all ready to sign...ever wonder why?'
The truth is Bush asked the legeslative bodies to pass this measure, not the other way around. Don't you ever get tired of lying, you ignorant sack of sh*t?

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this financial meltdownSep 26th, 2008 - 23:49:11

is nothing compared to the meltdown from global warming. In a way this all feels like a big distraction from the real issues which is that none of this, not capitalism, not growth, not any of it, is sustainable.

This is the end - from here on out it's chaos.

So do they have a superbug they are going to unleash on us or are they too stupid to realize we are on the verge of environmental annihilation?

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