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Teenager confesses to killing Turkish-Armenian journalist
Jan 21, 2007, 17:31 GMT
Istanbul - Less than two days after the murder of prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink, a teenager has confessed to the crime, Turkish media reported Sunday.
Police arrested the 17-year-old, named Ogun S, late Saturday on a bus in Samsun on the Black Sea coast as he was attempting to return to his hometown of Trabzon, also on the Black Sea, only hours after he had been identified with the help of his father.
The youth confessed to the crime during preliminary questioning, Samsun Prosecutor Ahmet Gokcinar was quoted by Turkish media as saying.
'I don't regret it,' Ogun S is believed to have said. He said he had been 'influenced by internet sites' opposed to Dink.
Dink, 52, was shot dead on Friday outside the offices of the Agos newspaper he published, and for which he had written controversial articles on Turkish-Armenian relations that angered nationalists and saw him sentenced to six months probation last year under Turkey's controversial law of 'insulting Turkishness.'
He suffered three shots to the head and neck.
Ogun S was caught with the suspected murder weapon just 32 hours after the fatal shots were fired. He was flown from Samsun to Istanbul.
Police arrested six further suspects from his circle of friends and flew them to Istanbul as well.
Just one year ago, an Italian priest was shot in the back in church in Trabzon by a young Turk.
Police seized computers from an internet cafe where the boy often hung out to search for others who may possibly have been behind the attck.
There were no indications yet that the crime had been organized, Istanbul Prosecutor Aykut Cengiz Engin said Sunday.
Reports said the boy had not finished school and was currently unemployed. He had been thrown out of an amateur football club for lack of discipline.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan congratulated security authorities on the arrest 'in the name of the ... country, in the name of the fight for democracy and freedom,' he said at a party convention near Ankara.
'I think that this will be a lesson for those who would wish to disrupt the development of democracy in our country and disturb the peace,' Erdogan said.
Thousands of people have taken to the streets to protest Dink's murder.
The security authorities have been criticized for not doing enough to protect Dink, who had received death threats over comments he had made in his newspaper on Turkish-Armenian relations.
Istanbul Provincial Governor Muammer Guler rejected the criticism Saturday, saying that Dink had not requested any police protection. He was given some protection on the days he appeared had appeared in court, Guler added.
In his last article written for Agos, Dink said he had received many death threats from Turkish nationalists and was living under a kind of psychological torture.
Around 70,000 ethnic-Armenians live in Turkey, most in Istanbul.
Armenian numbers were considerably higher, especially in eastern Anatolia until World War I when the local Armenian population sided with invading Russian forces.
The Ottoman government ordered the deportation of Armenians living in the east during which hundreds of thousands of people died.
Armenian historians claim that as many as 1.5 million Christian Armenians were killed in the deportations and in massacres and that the actions were a clear genocide, a view that Dink also espoused in his articles.
Turkey admits that there were massacres of Armenians during the deportations, but vehemently denies that the killings constituted a genocide.
Politicians in Germany and across Europe have condemned Dink's killing and have renewed calls for Ankara to strike Article 301 on 'insulting Turkishness' from the statute books.
Dink was due to be buried in the Armenian cemetery in Istanbul on Tuesday.
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There are historically incorrect statements in this article that support a revisionist version of history propagated by the Turkish government that ignores establish historical facts. The persecution of Armenians in the Ottoman Turkish Empire started during the massacres carried out under the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid in 1894-96 and then again under the Young Turk government in 1909 at Adana. There is documented evidence and multiple eyewitnesses to the actions of the Turkish government in 1915 during the rounding up and murdering of the Armenian population starting with the men and then moving on to the women and children. The claim that the population as a whole supported the Russians is false and just a smoke screen for the premeditated plan to rid Anatolia of all Christian minorities. While the Armenians suffered the most deaths in this genocidal campaign there were also millions of Greek and Assyrian Christians who were killed or forced to flee as refugees from the homeland that had been theirs long before the Turks conquered what is now Turkey. The campaign of genocide denial and historical disinformation by the Turkish government and their allies is shameful and constitutes yet another act of hatred towards the people they victimized. All people of conscience need to do whatever they can to make the Turkish government and people acknowledge the crimes against humanity perpetrated during their bloody history as an empire and a fanatically nationalistic country. Please visit - www.boycottturkey.com - and make your voice known for justice!
I think Islam is a blast(!) if you know what I mean :))
Hello fullbirdcorporal, I read your comment and I did not really understand what you mean. Are you trying to comment or tell us that muslims are evil cruel people? Because if you are you are wrong. Muslims are strictly forbidden to kill any other races of people. Whether it be christian, jewish, or any type of people. We are not allowed to kill ANYONE. I think you should think clearly what you say and then write it. Thanks
this teenager is a complete idoit...hope he enjoys being 'butt bait' in prison.
UNKNOWN is this idoits teenagers sister for saying 'Muslims are strictly forbidden to kill any other races of people.'
Muslim have been doing nothing more than 'killing' and 'murdering' innocent people of all races for hundreds of years, they will even kill there own mother and father just to keep in pratice.
Here is a quote from the Koran, translated into English
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Striking off of the head commonly results in death, therefor I'm afraid I must debunk the idea that Muslims are forbidden to kill.
You are an idiot.
The Quran states, and I quote:
'There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way.' (2:256)
Therefore, the Quran specifically directs you NOT to attempt to force someone to believe what you believe, which is what is meant by 'THere is no compulsion in religion'.
Further, it states, regarding Jews:
'Among the followers of Moses there are those who guide in accordance with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.' [7:159]
Regarding Christians:
[5:46] 'Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.'
[5:47] 'The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with God's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with God's revelations are the wicked.'
And a nice one regarding Jews, Christians, and converts to those or the Muslim faith:
'Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in God, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.' [2:62 & 5:69]
'Surely, some followers of the previous scriptures do believe in God, and in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed to them. They reverence God, and they never trade away God's revelations for a cheap price. These will receive their recompense from their Lord.' [3:199]
Also, if you would like Hadith since many people are apparently interested in that, here's one for you:
'Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God.' (Bukhari)
Or this one:
'Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise.' (Bukhari)
or..
'Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him.' (Al-Mawardi)
Further, I hope you understand that Muslims believe the Torah and the Gospel are true, and sent via messengers from God. They also believe Jesus was an extremely important prophet, along with Moses. Just because terrorists use Islam as a scapegoat, doesn't mean Islam is what they allege it to be.
Have you forgotten the Christian Crusades in which around 2/3 of the population of Jews in Europe were killed? Christians have done equally horrible things - just because they did them previously and terrorists are doing them now does not mean one is good and the other bad. It means PEOPLE are bad, not religions, necessarily.
-Dylan
P.S. Don't be a smacktard 'cause you think you're special due to your military rank, sir.
Denithar, you too are not doing the amount of research necessary to make any real assertions here.
The Quran does not forbid Muslims to kill, clearly. Jihad can be a physical and violent struggle should the rights of Muslims be infringed upon by others - especially when it comes to taking them from their homes or injuring them or their family members. However, this quote that you have given us is taken from a passage speaking of a battle.
This verse and the surrounding verses are speaking about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. The pagans of Makkah traveled to Madinah to destroy Muslims, as history tells it. The Muslim Army was only comprised of about 300 members and they say that God gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith in this particular instance. Do not extrapolate from a singular instance into a universal command - that is a logical fallacy.
-Dylan
This is not about Islam, it is about Nationalism. This teenager was acting from an ethnocentric, zenophobic perspective. The nationalist party in Turkey is (for the most part) a right wing, protectionist, other-hating group. They blame all the country's problems on the EU, the US, the Religious groups, and multinational companies. Extreme nationalists in Turkey are not in the same camp as the religious extremists, the main trait they have in common is being extreme.
Incidentally, the reader who blames this on 'religion', or Islam is another example of an extremist as well. This person is clearly very unaware of forces that were at work on the teenager murderer, yet somehow blames, with unapologetic zeal, an entire religion.
Sorry folks, but all these extreme nut jobs are dumb as a box of rocks. That's how you get genocides, (most) wars, sexism, racism, xenophobia and the whole lot. As long as people think strength is blind obedience and to question is weak you'll continue to get these idiots.
you make it sound like Muslims are the only people who kill others in the name of GOD.
are not Christian faith guilty of the same crime?
in the name of Christ, how many people have we killed? can you even begin to count? or have you forgotten the crusade? or did you forget that Hitler was a Christian as well? do you think all these christian murderers forgot their ten commandments? I believe 'Thou shall not KILL' is in there somewhere...
look back at your own history before condemning others.
How many good Southern Christians were perfectly willing to kill Black people or those who would champion Black rights in this country less than a generation ago? Fullbirdcorporal, does this mean that all white Christian people are evil and that any white Christian who opposes bigotry is simply a hypocrite trying to mask the true intentions of the nefarious Christian race?
You should watch what you say in public forums. Statements like yours make YOU look like the true bigot and fanatic, right at home with people like Ogun S. As a Muslim born and raised in Alabama I know what a bigot looks and sounds like. And as for you 'Ann Coulter', you are not only a bigot but also obviously of inferior intellect. Be quiet.
We love Turkey and the Turkish people and have been considering buying ahouse there but after todays murder and the fact that a bomb went off 40kms from our hotel last year we will not be returing again for a long long time
Hooray! Other people who actually think before they speak!
Firstly, allow me to clarify two things. I'm not an idiot, but an A student in college (at age 17). And I have no military rank, although I'm not sure if you were addressing me or not. You however, since you cannot use proper decorum, must be a less than wonderful person.
We must judge religions by how their practitioners act. Yes, Christians did horrible things, but today Christians do not blow themselves up in order to kill people. (And your figure of 2/3 of the Jewish population being killed in the crusades shows a sad lack of history. Perhaps you meant to speak of the majority of Jews who were expelled from Spain?) What Christianity and Islam have done is history. What they are doing is present, and more important to us. At present Islam is a threat to liberty, and Christianity is not. Another quote from the Koran:
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly)
Christianity has just as bad teachings (stone prostitutes) but the point is they do not FOLLOW them. But many religious Muslims follow the Koran as best they can, whereas almost all Christians realize that the bible cannot be taken as final authority.
Agreed that Christian killed Muslims in the Crusades -- but this is in the PAST. Christianity has emerged from the Middle Ages of Inquisition, etc. Unfortunately in many parts of the Islamic world, Islam is at the same level where Christianity was 500 ago and Judaism 2000 years ago.
As I said earlier, Islam is a blast! Booooommm....
There are about 16 million people living in Istanbul, most of them poorer, most of them less schooled than those living in the west. There is a very small police force (compared to say New York). And yet there is very little crime.
The same is true for the majority of that country. It is MUCH safer to walk ANYWHERE in Istanbul alone and at night than it is in any US city. There are radical freaks who blow themselves up and assassinate others, but the mass majority of Turks are living very peacefully.
Again, you may hear on the news that some 'muslims' are terrosist, but there are billions of Muslims and these terrorists are a miniscule portion of that population. To generalize to all Muslims the values of a few extreme terrorists is wrong.
Before blaming all muslims, and the entire religion, try to imagine that most of those folks are just like anyone else with the same values, families, wishes, hopes and dreams.
So how many of you have lived in Turkey? Most Turks are not radical jehadist nor are all muslims, radical extremist that world portrays as. As far as the government, don't confuse the actions of an individual with a whole. Don't confuse the actions of the for fathers with thier children. If you do, then all white americans are supremist slave owners and all their military rapes, pillages, and plunders ever country that they visit. Should there be a boycottamerica.site? All of the previous was to incite you to understand that generalizations are dangerous. Go out and actually see what you are writing about. I have been to Turkey, lived there, and got to know the people. Most are no different then anyone else in the world. They go to work, have families, and want the best for their children. They have radicals, as do all countries, that believe that violence is the only way to protect there fundamentalist ideas. Embrace your friends or they will become your enemies.
today i read NAHUM......................;
been meditating on it all week.
vardscott.
I JUST POSTED A COMMENT WHY HAS IT BEEN REMOVED WITHIN IO MINS WHY AND WHO REMOVED IT I THOUGHT WE HAD FREE SPEECH
I realize that there are many decent Muslims. Far from it for me to accuse an entire religion of being corrupt. But why do we not hear Muslims voicing out against the terrorists? The Muslim community is not doing a good job of distancing themselves from the bad Muslims.
Hello -
Generally, I don't comment on issues like this, but feel compelled to reply to this issue. The Turkish government and the Turkish educational system had a hand in this killing, and this needs to be said openly! I will now criticize 'Turkishness'!!!
At the core is the question of whether Turkish past actions constituted 'genocide'. There is no real question - of course they did!. I knew a sweet old Armenian lady with a terrible history. She came from a small village in Armenia, and in 1917 a troop of Turkish soldiers came into her village, rounded up all the Armenians - all of them, and herded them into the town center Adults were separated from their children, and sll Armenian adults were slaughtered. Anna saw this whole thing and described it to me in detail. Disregarding the soldier's threats, Anna's Turkish neighbors took her in (she was seven years old) and passed her from family to family til she was taken to a Red Cross ship, and from there to Ellis Island - and from there to her older sister in Brooklyn, who had emmigrated to the US a year or so earlier. Anna grew and married, and had children. I hired her second son, who had his PhD from Columbia. That is how I came to know Anna and her older sister, and how I heard about the genocide first hand!
This issue has only a little to do with religion - but has all to do with Turkish nationalism, or 'Turkishness' The Turkish government, by denying their genocide and by inflaming nationalistic feelings, encouraged that boy to take action to protect his 'Turkishness', encouraged him to kill. The government was abetted by the educational system, which indoctrinated students with their government's hatred of non-Turkishness! But how do we put them on trial? Speak out!! Voice your opinions!!
A curse on your Turkish nationism!!
elam
Irish Tourist, your comment is still on page 2... maybe you should go back to the pub for another round.
ABROGATION: 'the act of abrogating; an official or legal cancellation'
Islam uses the concept of abrogation to 'cancel' verses of the Quran. Many chronologically early verses, recitated by Muhammed during his in time Medina, have been abrogated by later, more militant and murderous verses recitated during the time after his conquering Mecca and slaughtering its non-Muslim inhabitants.
The position of verses in the Quran are not presented in chronological order of recitation by Muhammed. Indeed, one of the last verses recitated by Muhammed is the famous 'Verse of the Sword', i.e. Sura 9 Verse 5: 'Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.'
Another is Sura 9 Verse 29:' You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.'
Thes two verses abrogate ALL early verses in the Quran calling for peace toward non-Muslims.
SEE: http://www.islamundressed.com/#_Toc113793203
Will you people stick to the issue?
hahaha islam definitely is a blast. so why did this kid kill that guy? just for fun? theres no motive and the only explanation given was that he did not regret it. wtffff
GLAD TO SEE MY COMMENT HAS REAPPEARED I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL THOSE TURKISH PEOPLE WHO AS ANOTHER PERSON SAID ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING AND BOY DO THEY WORK FOR IT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR FAMILIES AND GO TO THE COAST TO SURVIVE THE WINTER AT HOME AND THEY ARE PAID A PITTANCE FOR 16 TO 20 HRS WORK A DAY WHO IS TO BLAME MOST PROBABLY THE GOVERNMENT FOR GODS SAKE OR FOR WHICHEVER RELIGION YOU ARE STOP ALL THIS KILLING AND FIGHTING LET EVERYBODY FOLLOW THEIR OWN BELIEFS AND LET THE WORLD LIVE IN PEACE BY THE WAY I AM A MOTHER OF THREE AND VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY IT MUSLIN ,PROTESANT ,CATHOLIC,BUDDHIST OR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN ITS YOUR OWN BELIEF AND WE SHOULD ALL RESPECT EACH OTHER
What kind of journalism writes that the genocide occured because Armenians sided with the Russians? That is a very big lie and whichever newspaper prints that has zero credibility other than to be full of propaganda.
The killing of an ethnic journalist shows that Turkey as a nation is not yet ready to join the ranks of democratic and civilized nations as much as some western nations insist otherwise. Turkey is called a secular nation but yet is strongly tied to its Islamic roots.The fact of the matter is that minorities in Turkey are sill in fear of prosecution and not quite able to practice their religion or culture. Turkey like other Moslem nations is still going through what Christians went through centuries ago, when they were prosecuted for opposing the views of the church.Moslems are still going through this phase where their lives are governed by what their religous leaders say and by a book which was written thousands of years ago. I believe there will be a renaissance period for Moslems as well some day where they will realize that their lives should not be governed by a book. This will be a natural progression, and no one can expedite this process with bombs, threats or other means.
When Christians are guilty of unholy conduct, we Christians don't ascribe that conduct to the doctrines of Jesus of Nazareth. When Muslims are guilty of unholy conduct, we have no right to ascribe that behavior to the teachings of Mohammad of Mecca.
People of faith must trust in the essential goodness of believers whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or other. And we must recognize that those who excuse murder in the name of religion are imposters in the household of faith. And we Christians need to remember that, in some places, removing the imposters from the household can be worth your life.
May God save people of faith and charity everywhere. They are in short supply.
Another site which more simply explains abrogation in the Quran is:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml
We, the descendents of all Christian peoples you so mercilessly butchered declare from this day forward that we will use every legal method possible to cause great damage to you both politically and economically. This is not a threat in any way of violence, as we are not like you. You will not only fully aknowledge your crimes against humanity commited (along with some help from the Germans), you will pay reparations for the billions of dollars of land and property you stole from your victims, you will return the 6 Christian villayets where you commited your murders to Armenia along with Mt. Ararat. You will do this or you will see the deconstruction of your economy by foreigners and will never gain 'EU' staus but will remain what you are, and always have been, 'the sick man of Europe'. We will start with your Travel Industry- BOYCOTT TURKEY!
DYLAN,
Thank you for your very clear and truthfull messages. I have to agree with you since you are clearly quoting Kuran and have the knowledge and insight to understand what It is trying to explain.
I am proud of you.
don't listen to fullbirdcorporal. He's a corporal, just cannon fodder.
I have read what Fullbirdcorporal had said and was outraged that he said that The Quran says that Muslims should kill non-Muslims. No where in the Quran does it say to kill. It is forbidden for Muslims to kill anyone baised on thier religion. If thats what you think, then you can't come talk about Muslims and you don't know anything about islam and I don't think you read the Quran. If you read the Quran then you would know that, what you said is not true. The Quran asks us not to kill Muslims or Non-Muslims even if we are in war,and we can't kill women and kids and old people. And if you go to any Muslim or Arab country your going to see in your own eyes we live next to Christian, Jewish and other non-Muslim people like nieghbors here. We live in PEACE and that is what our religion tells us to do. Nisreen Nijmeh
It is very sad to see such a crime took place; but blaming a whole nation and using this event as a propoganda against Turkish people looks very extreme and wrong in every shape or form.
I have been to Istanbul just once and I am not an expert on Turkey; however they are much more diverse than most of the western countries. Moreover, most of the west treat their minorities no better than Turks.
Have some balanced and fair discussion please.
HAHAHA
Can I laugh with my but please on your comments? This is the story that you should believe as passive vote givers in Western, 'civilised countries'. You do not know anything about the situation and history!
All you know is that you are god sent angels to earth bringing democracy for the evil people of this world? How intelligent?! Get out of Asia and let the oil to the Iraqian people !
Chavez said today 'Gringos go hell!' :.-) NO OÝL for christian missioning!!!!!!!!!
You couldn t mission China unfortunately! :-) God bless Confucuis! God bless KARL MARX!!!!! :-)
Latin America will be free soon! So what will you do with your cars and global warming?
One journalist in Turkey causes u more anger than the masses of Iraqian deaths , because they are nobody!
Individualized death is only for your people! The others are dark, evil and not individuals! You may kill them in masses! How nice! There are only numbers. And in Turkey you suddenly get so human, so intelligent if it is your interests at stake. You use Armenians for your own benefits. We do not know who has hired these young people to kill. We do not know who has killed Hrant Dink. The young guy is nobody. The story perfectly suits to the middle class racism of Western socities... The good vs evil. You watch too much movies, I think. You listened too much to Bush...
Stir it up baby! Stir it up!
I wouldn't take him seriously, he's a typical ignorant right winger. Scared of everything different then him. There are bad muslims as well as bad christians. People like him need a boogeyman so he can feel better about his own shortcomings.Don't be angry at him, pity him.
This murder only shows the Turkic propensity to draw blood. It started in the massacres of Greeks and Armenians in the late 19th century and continued with the Armenian genocide commemorated on April 24, 1915. Since the oriental migration of the Turkic tribes not so long ago - the once flourishing Byzantine Anatolian peninsula fell victim to rape, not only of land and women, but of culture as well - will great Churches of the region being used as target practice for Turkish bullets. To respond to another person's comment: the crusades occurred due to the Seljuk (Turkish) invasion of Israel. This was an act that western Christians could not accept and led to the pride and avengement based violence witnessed during the crusades. The bottom line is the Turkic people (if we can even call them that after they raped and intermarried with the original people of the region) will be much more at peace in a more oriental realm like their traditional homelands in present day Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. Europe will find peace with a neo-Byzantine empire in closer vicinity with a Venizelos realized greater Greece and Armenia governing the Anatolian peninsula.
Joseph H, you consider the turks to be genocidal, bloodthirsty warmongers and yet you advocate clearing them out of anatolia by force? Did they not teach you hipocracy in school, or did you just forget to take your meds today?
During the second world war, Christians on both sides had no religious impediment to the military goal of turning each other into human hamburger or worse. I find no comfort in anyone's scriptural quote that claims their religion forbids murdering their fellow man. Here's a reality check - if you study history you will quickly realize that religion is frequently used merely as an insidiously effective motivational tool to compel young, idealistic people to abandon their moral sensibilities and to commit atrocities to serve the vested interests of those who pursue power at any cost. I wish I could say that education was the answer here, but the Nazis were generally well educated. It's more about wisdom than education, I think, and wisdom and youth are often rare companions.
It is interesting to see the Muslim apologists here resort to ad hominum attacks rather than cite facts.
There is no doubt that there was a outrageous genocide of non-Muslim people (Greeks and Armenians) conducted by Muslims during the early 20th century. This genocide was not by a small group of fanatics; it was perpetrated by a large group of Muslims following the teachings of the Quran, with Turkish government complicity. This is historic fact.
The same Quran still directs all Muslims to slaughter non-Muslims. SEE MY PREVIOUS POSTS ON ABROGATION. The slight difference now is that a veil of political correctness drawn by the Turkish government now distorts the accurate reporting of these atrocities.
Have you ever heard of the continued incarceration or execution of these so-
called 'radical' Muslims by the Turkish government, or any government in any Islamic country, which 'winks' at the murder of non-Muslims in their countries while issueing all sorts of politically correct drivel to obfuscate their true agenda?
Fullbirdcorporal, first of all Turkey doesn't have the death penalty and secondly and has a secular constitution and a civil court system based on the model from Swiss law.Thirdly far right nationalists in Turkey are devout secularists and many are atheists, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your ideology! They do have their kooks as does every country but painting them with the same brush is counter productive. Turkey has it's problems and it needs to deal with it's past truthfully and honestly. Your criticism of Islam while ignoring Leviticus shows your true self. The ten commandments is all you need to live a moral life. Holy books are just an opiate for the masses in order to divide them, nothing more. It's clearly working in your case.Perhaps you should travel more to confront your hatred and you'll understand that most muslims are not like the Taliban and the Saudi government.
who is this WE that is mentioned in the KORAN verses that have been quoted?
most people quoting both the bible and the koran, cannot see the wood for the trees, both are totally created by the powers that be at the time, both are full of total contradictions, both were and are intended to keep the ignorant populace at large under the thumb, no independant thought allowed here, just accept what is written and all will be well,
it may work in the ant nest, but it should not work in a open society,
we earthlings must appear totally backward to the rest of the advanced societies that are to be found in the fathers house of many mansions
This article, although accurate in respect to the recent murder of Hrant Dink, is mistaken in claiming that Armenians sided with Russia during World War I. There is no historical evidence supporting this, and any use of this language to help justify the subsequent deportations and Genocide is dispicable. This website should stick to reporting the substantiated facts, and stop using Turkish denialist propaganda when reporting what happened before, during, and after WWI.
Let us not mix up things. Let us be fair and scientific.I think all the commentors agree that the case of killing like this , is wrong.But anticipating this to Islam is NOT fair nor scientific.The talk that all the killing and genocide in the 20th century is only Islamic is not fair.Did you forget what happened in Bosnia??????If you want to discuss about Islam , this would be another issue. I wonder how can one be proud he doesnt follow his religion and criticise others for strictly following their religions???????
Dylan,
I'm glad that you do not espouse that common understanding of 'Jihad'. There are many interpretations of that term. And so too are there many interpretations of the Koran, not to mention the bible and so forth.
But I would like to ask you or any Muslim this question. Can you find one non-Muslim, who kills in the name of God? You cannot deny that many Muslims murder innocent people in the name of 'Allah'. It happens every week, every day, all over the world. Show me one instance where a non-Muslim has done the same thing. You will find it hard pressed to do so. Read the papers; you see it in the news; speak honestly to non-Muslims in any Muslim country if you will. You will not hear anything different.
Until every Muslim can faithfully affirm that the Muslim religion abhors violence and death in the name of 'Allah', only then does this religion conform with the other religions of the world. Till then, I'm sorry to say that your Muslim religion, is rife with violence and contradictions.
David Mohamed
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fullbirdcorporalJan 21st, 2007 - 18:52:14
Muslim Turk teenagers are merely doing what the Quran, and the larger Muslim society, direct them to do. Murdering Christians and Jews, whom Muslims are forbidden by Islamic teaching from befriending, is a perfectly acceptable extension of the society in which they have been raised. These murderous actions are the TRUE feeling of Islam and the people of Turkey.
Actions taken by Turkish police at the order of Turkish politicians DO NOT, in any way, indicate the true inclination of the Turkish government. These arrests merely attempt to obfuscate the Islamic religious hatred of all things non-Islamic by imitating a lawful, truly humanistic society.
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