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Austrian authorities investigate Islam-bashing by rightist lawmaker
Jan 14, 2008, 11:59 GMT
Vienna - Remarks by a right-wing politician denouncing Islam and accusing the Prophet Mohammed of having been a paedophile provoked widespread outrage in Austria on Monday, with authorities investigating whether they constituted hate speech.
Susanne Winter, a candidate for the Freedom Party in local elections in Graz in south-eastern Austria, said on Sunday that Mohammed's marriage to a 6-year-old girl would make the prophet a 'paedophile in today's system.'
Speaking at a rally, Winter demanded that Islam should be 'thrown back where it came from, beyond the Mediterranean Sea.'
Winter later justified her attacks. 'There is widespread child abuse by Muslim men,' she was quoted as saying by the newspaper Oesterreich.
'Why can't I say this? That has nothing to do with hate speech. We want neither Austrian nor foreign paedophiles. I did not want to incite hatred, or offend a religious community,' she said.
Austria's authorities were investigating whether Winter's remarks constituted incitement to hatred, a spokesman from the prosecutor's office said. If found guilty, Winter could face up to two years in prison.
Politicians from all other factions sharply denounced Winter's remarks and called for her resignation.
Muslim representatives in Austria criticized the remarks. Omar al- Rawi, a spokesman for Austria's Muslim community, slammed the lack of respect shown by the right-wing politician.
Attacks against Islam had reached a level that 'made one's stomach turn,' al-Rawi said.
Graz will elect a local government on January 20. In the 2006 general elections the Freedom Party received 13 per cent of the vote.
The affair is reminiscent of the controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, published in a Danish newspaper in September 2005 that later caused international protests, resulting in a number of deaths.
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Quoting the truth as laid down in the texts and tenets of Islam's holy books, becomes a hate crime when it is told by the Infidel. That is how it is now in Europe in the year 1508 or is it 2008. If that is not enough to turn one's stomach, the countless marriages and abuse of underage girls to men or paedophiles- as normal grown men do not have an interest in children-in Islamic countries as a result of Islam's prophet mohamed's marriage to 6 year old Aisha is nothing short of a crime against humanity.
got to ezralevant.com to fight the accusation happening right now !
Disgusting. Telling the truth is now a 'hate crime'.
Here's the hadith as it appears word for word in Sahih Bukhari (one of Islam's holy books):
[Sahih Bukhari - Volume 007, Book 062, Number 088]
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Susanne Winter is right on the money with what she said. Where is the 'hate crime'????
according to some christian scriptures, mary was 9 when she became pregnant. 1500 years ago, marrying at 6 was not a taboo. But when it comes to certain things, let us have double standards
Munich,
If you want to talk double standards Europe (every government in Europe) HAS double standards - to 'protect' Muslims from being criticized about anything. I say we should all have one standard, and under that standard Susanne Winter is presenting FACTS.
BTW, in Muslim counries the laws are based on Mohammads example - something else that's coming to Europe. Personally, I am fed up with the Islamizaton of Europe and double standards to accommodate people who seem to hate our democratic societies.
stefco,
demonizing a religious figure who lived 1500 years ago had nothing to do with protecting democracy - If you open Jewish and christian scriptures, you will see even funnier things. Even without Muslims, Europe had seen worst of wars and intolerances in the past. Her other claims such as such as more than half of Austrians will be Muslims etc. are too typical Xenophobic rhetorics. Maybe she was looking for some cheap publicity.
Munich, those are not 'some Christian scriptures'. Those are apocriphal writings, which means, legends, according to the Christians themselves. In no way comparable to the Haddiths that account for Aisha's marriage.
'Munich, those are not 'some Christian scriptures'. Those are apocriphal writings, which means, legends, according to the Christians themselves. In no way comparable to the Haddiths that account for Aisha's marriage'
how stupid can you be hadiths were written 250 years later and contain myths and legends, and thus not a reliable historical source
Insults thrown on Islam and Prophet by igniorant racists on this forum is on expected line given they are ruled by white barbarian christians. What these radical extremists have to say about advocating the murder and genocide of goyims in Bible. Widespread whoredom in Old Testament, well America nad Europe is preserving that culture. Nay, it has taken to new height; number of unmarried couples having children increasing. Teen pregnancy on rise. That all blame you barbarians on Islam.
Christians are murdered everyday by muslims and when we complain it is a hatecrime?
How many muslims are killed by Christians.......ZERO!
This will end soon and all you desert roaches will be sent packing back to your filthy nations of islam as you are all a cancer on the world.
This woman speaks only history and fact and she is attacked by her own people....what a disgrace.
Islam will soon be shown the door.
Immigration is a 2-way door so dont think you can stay with us forever.
You all come from the WORST and filthiest nations on earth and you will not much longer foul our western nations.
We dont want to be like you.
Yuck.
All organized religion is hateful, but Islam is the worst. It needs to be stopped, and it's followers need to be sent back to their desert to scorch in the sun. The hatred and misogyny will only be destroyed once they are driven out of our peaceful countries.
here we go ... again.
This 'politician's' hate comments have no place in any 21st century society. From my point of view this voting sector of Austria would like their part of Europe to remain in the dark ages for the rest of eternity.
Islam also needs to pull its head in and get some pride. Because someone says something that may be taken as an insult does not mean they have the right to instigate violence. it achieves nothing and just makes them as bad as this politician.
It might sound crazy but we are all humans. We belong to the same family, every one of us. No one is 'better' then anyone else. The sooner we can lose these archaic discriminations and beliefs the sooner we can grow up and move on in this universe.
Yes, as the christian church continues to eat the flesh of Christ and drink the blood of christ (cannibalism?) it´s okay for the FPOE to not only denegrate a religion already under attack but also to have Stracher, as photographed, saluting the Wikinger Jugend and having historian Irvine trying to give talks to them as a holocaust denier. 'Ich will nicht wien als Istanbul werden' what? As we go to Turkey on holiday. I´d love some ocean here, okay, there are enough kebab stands and British/Irish pubs... Silly people
Eurofasicm is on the rise and none can protect all the evils doers against humanity on this earth other than God. May God bring peace and tranquality on this earth. It is our president Bush that brought hatred on Islam and now spreading to all over Europe after 9/11. Islam has an answer to every problem. God is not gonna leave you hunging. You can twist and manipulate Islam in any how by anybody who wants to however, God will protect his religion.
Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth. It is the truth religion. It will came and knock your door. The truth prevails no matter what . You may not like but you or daughter/sons or grandsons/daughters no matter who it is someone is on the way to be a muslim in your family at sometime. ISLAMO BASHING is due to lack of knowledge or education. Please, get copy of the Koran and read it if you have never read it. Don't hear from the media or politicians but make favor yourself by reading the holy scripture in Islam, called Koran.
Peace to you.
Its followers are only populating as roaches and mosquitos with 8 kids per family on average and that is not an indicator of people flocking to islime.
Christians only work and have 2 kids or less so there you go with your fake and bogus numbers on islime.
If islam was real than why did it NEVER predict anything in the koran while the Bible predicted the fall of Jerusalem, the birth of Christ, the resurrection of Christ, and many other pivotal events in the Old Testament?
You must also realize it was not repeating things that already happened, but stated in detail events centuries before they happened.
Mohammed only killed and raped his way into the history pages.
Christ healed, fed, gave sight, raised the dead, and blessed the children.
I think I will stick with Christianity, Jesus never had to kill anyone in his messages.
Mohammedthemadman had to kill and threaten to bring the peaceful message of islime whether people wanted it or not.
Islam is burying its own grave and does not even realize it.
Hungarian Crusader
Oh yes and all the child brides in Europe's even upto one century ago were all grown up werent they?...and of course this is not the country in which 10 and 11 year old get pregant impregnated by 'christian paedophiles,,,which even makes other euro christian gasp with disgust and the Roman Catholic Church of course all have monopoly on child sexual abuse. Bunch of Islamphobes and hypocrites...And no I am not a Muslim I am a Roman Catholic who dont beleive the Muslim Prophet was a paedophile, if he was there are lots of Christinas who would be classified as such even hundred years ago an to this day.
Oh yes and all the child brides in Europe's even upto one century ago were all grown up werent they?...and of course this is not the country in which 10 and 11 year old get pregant impregnated by 'christian paedophiles,,,which even makes other euro christian gasp with disgust and the Roman Catholic Church of course all have monopoly on child sexual abuse. Bunch of Islamphobes and hypocrites...And no I am not a Muslim I am a Roman Catholic who dont beleive the Muslim Prophet was a paedophile, if he was there are lots of Christians who would be classified as such even as recent as one hundred years ago . The truth is you are racist and you are Islamaphobe an all this is about politics not religion. Muslims know and Christinas who dont hate Muslims do it too. The rest of you disgust me. Yuck yuck yuck
I hope people will take the time to read the following:
I’ve read the Koran & Ishaq’s Sira, & the Hadith Collections of Tabari, Bukhari, and Muslim.
I’ve learned from the writings of John Quincy Adams who wrote about a seventh century wandering Arab with “the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent god; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguished and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind.”
I’ve read Churchill’s views on Islam, who noted 'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”
I’ve read commentary by Renan, the famed scholar, who, after dedicating himself to understanding Islamic scripture, wrote: 'Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.' And I’ve followed the Jihad Counter at thereligionofpeace.com which stands today at 8,519 documented Jihad attacks in over 60 countries since 911.
I, like most Occidentals, was completely ignorant about the true perversity of Islam. I used to wear Politically Correct blinders & had (still have) Muslim friends who are fine people. Now that I know the truth however, and because it pains me every day to see a billion people enslaved and oppressed by this cult (not to mention the effect it is having on the rest of us) I want desperately to help them. But it’s so hard because Islam really is a cult, and departing from it comes at the penalty of death (Qur'an 4:90 'If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”)
Heck, I can barely get them to question their religion! (Qur’an 5:101-102) “Believers, ask not questions about things which if made plain to you may cause you trouble when the Qur’an is revealed. Some people before you asked questions, and on that account lost their faith.” Maududi, in his commentary, The Meaning of the Qur’an, explains: “The Prophet forbade people to ask questions or to pry into such things.” The Hadith confirms this prophetic warning. Bukhari:V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah has hated you for asking too many questions.’”
So I feel the only thing I can do for Muslims is to expose Islam on a candid, intellectual level in public forums for what it really is, based on it’s own scriptures and in conjunction with the deeds of history & today’s headlines. This is detrimental to Islam, you see, because the one thing it cannot withstand is truth & free thinking. So my point, in case you still don’t get it, is ISLAM, NOT ISRAEL OR ANYTHING ELSE, IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WITH THE WORLD TODAY!
We all must be aware of the pervasive hate and lies of the islamiscist.
im not keen on any religion but this just takes the buscuit! all this is really rubbish and happened hundred of years ago! all those christian right wing nut jobs...how would you xplain the pathetic birth rate in young girls these days?.....this still happens in your hill billy town....and wasn;t most of the bible re-written by constantine and he wasn't he a christian! ....he was declared a christian on his death bed!
you all point fingers at eachother but you all are to blame! i suggest you kill everyone like hitler and say god told me to do it!
No one is suggesting to kill or harm or isult anyone. Nothing could be more counter productive. All that is necessary is to expose Islam to the truth as laid down in their own holy texts and allow the people work it out for themselves. Islam has been one of the biggest cons in human history, being used by the disgusting, clerical billy goats spewing evil to further their own interests. Marks was right in only one thing ' Religion is the opium of the people'. The time has come to grow from this self imposed infancy. Move on!
She might be accused of incitement to hate. I can understand its being illegal to incite people to perform an illegal act. Is it now illegal in Austria to hate? I'd hate that. Hate to live there. Hate to have to not hate the people I hate who deserve to be hated. And I wish you'd hate them, too. I have a list. Better stay out of Austria.
GET OUT OF AUSTRIA!!!
I wonder when the Europeans will finally throw out their benefits, non-working, moongod worshipping, drug dealing, carcasses out of the old world.
The day is coming and it wont be nice to watch, but it will be relieving.
We dont go to your toilet of a nation so stay out of ours.
Al-Rawi is a lying taqquia ball of BS. Suzanne Winter's statements are 100% true and He doesn't like it. He doesn't have the 'stomach' for uppity dhimmi 'Higgers' like us to tell the truth. This is unconscionable to his twisted reality of the real world and his dillusionary world of hate and evil that is islam. Al-Rawi should basically be given a oneway ticket back to shitholestan naked with allah akbar stamped on his ass.
Sweet Susanne Winter is correct and speaks the Truth about muhammad ibn abdullah. The Austrian Republic should incorporate our US Constitutional First Amendment to firmly establish the basic right of Free Speech. In America today muhammad would be arrestd and tried in court for sexual child abuse for having sexual relations with the nine year old Ayesha. A new book by ALI SINA, a former Moslem asserts that muhammad suffered from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy which would explain some of his bizarre bahavior.
Dear Mdm Suzan Winter
For the prophet Mohamad that you said that he married a 6 year old girl
i will corect you she was 12 year old and talking about pidophily i could tell you that at that time of your great grand mother they could be maried at that age even in the Christian church, and if it is pidophily at that age today it is because it is the laws of today that make it so.
Of course I would not accept people to get maried with young people of that age today because of many reasons.
Dear Mdm. Suzan winter,
For the comments that you saed that the prophet that maried a girl of 6 year old she was 10 acording to the hadith please read the book before you comment. To explaine more in the Chistian church was allowding to married at the same age like the prophet. If there is pidophily today it is because of the laws of today, because by the law of God by marriage,God never made it pidophily it is the human that made it. But of course I dont agree that people that they should married young children like that because of different reasons not because it is illegal by God
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urbanJan 14th, 2008 - 15:36:29
Since when is saying the truth 'hate speach'?
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