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Mashaal warns of 'open battle' with Israel, hatred of US (Roundup)
Feb 27, 2007, 16:43 GMT
Moscow - Hamas politburo leader Khaled Mashaal called Tuesday for 'fundamental change' in the Quartet of Mideast peace brokers and warned of 'open battle' with Israel and Islamic hatred toward the United States unless Washington resumes aid funding.
'The Arab and Islamic world need a fundamental change in the politics of the Quartet,' Mashaal said of the group of Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations, in remarks made during a Moscow visit and quoted by Interfax.
Mashaal added that the 'Arab world demands' the international community react positively to an agreement Hamas struck earlier this month with rival faction Fatah in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, that promised to pave the way for a future Palestinian unity government.
Mashaal's trip to Moscow marked the second time a Hamas delegation had traveled to the Russian capital since the militant group, ostracized by the West, took control of the Palestinian legislature in elections last year.
The United States and European Union have labled Hamas a terrorist group.
The organization's founding charter is committed to the destruction of Israel, and the US-based Council on Foreign Relations estimates Hamas has killed 'more than 500 people in terrorist attacks' since 1993.
Not backing from sharp rhetoric, Mashaal said during a press conference in Moscow Tuesday that the 'refusal of Israel of our rights and the continuation of aggressive policies will lead the region to an open battle,' Itar-Tass reported.
The Hamas leader added that Israeli-led construction near Jerusalem's Temple Mount would end in a 'bloody battle.'
After meeting with Mashaal Tuesday afternoon, however, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Mashaal's delegation had assured him it would take measures to stop shelling Israeli territories with Qassam rockets.
Both Lavrov and Mashaal also said Hamas would reject violence in achieving its goals.
'The meeting confirmed the correctness and justification of our approach ... in the need to actively work with representatives of (Hamas),' Lavrov said in remarks run by Interfax.
The Russian top diplomat also urged the United States and European Union to end what he called an economic 'blockade' against the Palestinian territories.
Washington and Brussels cut what is estimated to be hundreds of millions of dollars in direct aid to the Palestinian government after Hamas' parliamentary victory.
Both have said they will not resume monetary support of the Palestinian government until Hamas recognizes Israel, renounces violence and fulfills past promises.
Mashaal demanded in tougher terms that Washington resume its aid funding: 'The American administration's insistence on the continuation of the blockade will give birth to more hatred toward America not only ... on a Palestinian level but on an Arab, Islamic level.'
While the West has taken a harder line with groups like Hamas and states that it claims sponsor terrorism, Russia has tried to regain Soviet-era influence in the Middle East by encouraging diplomatic cooperation with Hamas and countries including Syria and Iran.
Lavrov said last week after a Berlin meeting of the so-called Quartet of Mideast peace brokers - Russia, the United States, the EU and the United Nations - that 'there is no talk of a boycott of the coalition government' of Hamas and Fatah.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has vowed to reserve judgment of the agreed-upon Palestinian unity government before it forms, and EU members including France have called it a step in the right direction.
Lavrov Tuesday said that the Hamas-Fatah coalition and the beginning of a functional government in the Palestinian territories would 'open the path to the beginning of the peace process between Palestine and Israel,' Itar-Tass reported.
Israel, however, has said it will not negotiate with PLO leader Mahmoud Abbas if he joins an alliance with Hamas.
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A terrorist state 'demands' that U.S. citizens resume financial aid? I am really getting tired of our government sending my money overseas to a bunch of criminals. If they can't get their act together and support their own, tough. Isolate them and then let Israel take care of the garbarge on their doorstep.
Well said. Why don't they try a different approach? Like maybe being civilized so that they can negotiate (which means give and take) so thet can settle their issues properly?
that is right on the money, those crazy Hamas leaders all they want is the training just to hit us back with their sucide bombers, so forget about any of my tax money for your crazy ideas and hatred.
So these groups hate the West because of Capitalism and our infidel way of life, yet they want our money - product of Capitalism and our infidel way of life?
Sounds to me like somebody needs to get a job!
Israel does need to grow a new pair of matza balls (and not to make soup with) and take care of the problem with its 'peaceful' neighbors.
How can a 'leader' promote peace and a unified government in one sentence, and promise death to Israel and the United States in the next sentence.
What I am hearing is 'send us your money (i.e. resume aid)or you will be killed' - I think that's called armed robbery in America, isn't it?
Do they (Hammas) honestly think they can bully their way to power, and suffer no consequences for their actions?
No one is asking for them to be Isreal, but they are asking for them to be 'real' The 'death to America' chants are getting old. Poop or get off the pot.
They mean that since Rasputin made a new deal with them for lots of good weapons they can continue to mouth-off. News Flash: We don't care what you and your baby killer friends think. Why doesn't someone ask US what we think of them? The 'American Street' hates your guts, and always has, and always will. Just keep it up because we're dusting-off some vintage 1965 napalm to try-out on you. But then, what do I know? I'm just a monster, not a friggin' check-pants General waiting to tee-off and wondering who was buying me lunch.
Ditto to what Westerner stated. If we are so bad, then why do you want our money? So you can fly some more planes into our buildings? I don't think so!!
OK, so Palestinians basically have a state in Gaza. And look at all the good they've done with it.
hamas: 'give us money or we will hate you more then we already do. we will burn your flags and chant 'death america' every hour instead of once every 3 hours. we need the money so we can buy more russian/iranian explosives and pay the families of the suicide bombers we plan on sending into israel to blow up the pig-dog jews. also, don't fix the path to our mosque, we need it falling apart so our spies (read:israeli arabs) can fall, injure themselves and then sue the israeli government. if you fix our decrepit mosque, we will kill you.'
Spoken LIKE true racists!
would love this guy
So, let me get this straight. Unless you elect the people we (the US) want, we (the US) will not support democracy. I guess it is like the US invading and unseating the democratically elected leader.
To Russell:
You're a dope. Hitler was elected democratically. Do you think we should have supported him?
I think more troublesome is how the world is starting to polarize as during the cold war, with Russia and now China on the side of Syria and Iran, and the US siding with Israel. Russia and China are using this as a proxy way to resist US hegemony, but this kind of superpowers siding in a more local conflict is what led to World War I.
Israel can take the desert and turn it into farmland, how they can develop their own nukes, how they can have one of the best trained militaries in the world, and maintain a high standard of living.
The Palestinians who are living in the same patch of dirt and were being given financial aid comparable to what Israel gets were only able to get some rinky-dink unguided missiles while Arafat and others got super-rich.
Now they want more money, for what? So the politicos can buy bigger mansions in Syria? Or maybe they realized that now that the miniscule percent that actually went to the people is gone they might have a revolt?
While the ones who were supposed to divy the money got rich they led their people to think they were getting a fare shake, now that the money is gone they can blame the West so the people will revolt against them not the ones who ripped them off.
Maashal's threats are meaningless and empty. The Palestinians have never stopped trying to destroy Israel. They are trying now.
Maashal has absolutely no leverage over the United States whatever.
The fact is he is a Terror chief whose policies have brought disaster and suffering to the Palestinians. They would be better off without him.
Could Hamas be any more arrogant? 'Give us money, or we'll get violent.' Who do they think they are? Refusal to give aid is not a blockade. It's up to us whether or not we feel like giving them aid, not for them to demand it.
The Palestinian kill hundreds. and the Isrealis government killed thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinians with tacit USA support. Who is a worst killer, huh? Isreal takes away Arab land and either slaughter or driven out with USA support of US $3 an plus billion per year.
Congrats America keep on with your aid to rouge nations. the same air planes will backfire in days to come.
fair - Israel responds to attacks. And at least they don't pussy-foot around like the political run war in Iraq. The world needs to learn something from Israel - someone attacks you you kill them and too bad to whoever is in the way!
I hate countries that beg for money. Jordan and Egypt come to mind and are true to the term sycophantic. But the worst one of all has got to be the stinking jew State. Four to five billion dollars a year plus sweet arms deals. And just because they are the jew. How revolting.
I say cut them all off and let's see what happens.
Yes, the undying hatred of Palestinians seems to be contingent on the US giving them lots of nice greenbacks. The same way the Egyptians just hate us but love the money we send. Muslim 'outrage' is now so transparently political and designed to serve an obvious end that it can pretty much be discounted--we know all you Arab Muslims hate anyone who won't bow down before your god--so why should we care. Mess with us and we will mess with you!
I am praying both for the U.S.A and for ISRAEL as I am a ZIONIST to the bone with no apologies.
I am always going to be on the side of my creator; and from the very start
HE as always been on the side of Israel, and the USA is blest because of Its decision to stand solidly with Israel. Good Vs Evil, anyone who is for good can see plainly that Israel is fighting for its GOD given rights.
Fair and other appeasers will be more than willing to send CASH to reward this type of extortion. After all, it's all our fault! Bleeding heart liberal....
Here comes the religion mumbo-jumbo...
Israel is fighting for their God given rights, Palestinians are fighting for their Alah given rights, Iraqis are fighting each other over who worships the same god correctly, Ireland's Protestants and Catholics still shoot at each other, KKK claimed to get their inspiration from the Bible, shall I go on?
Personally I gave up my invisible friend when I was six. But I won't hold it against you if you still have yours, whatever its name is.
yeah
“Israel can take the desert and turn it into farmland, how they can develop their own nukes, how they can have one of the best trained militaries in the world, and maintain a high standard of living”.
I love this type of comment. Particularly desert to farmland. Nice touch. But it was never your land that you worked these miracles on. Why not take those special skills to the Artic and turn ice into farmland. Use your nukes and trained militias to fight off poplar bears and seals. Who knows you may finally replace world wide loathing with respect.
Ferox, trust me pal, US doesn't invest money in Israel just because they love the 'stinking Jew' state and its population. They give us money and arms because we fight for the interest of US. And because Israel has proven itself to be the strongest state in the region even before receiving US support, during the 6-day war. And because we're a humane nation that doesn't like to kill babies even when terrorists hide behind them, like in Lebanon. We suffered heavy military and civilian casualties in this war because we didn't carpet-bomb areas from where they fired on our cities. We could end the war in a day with minor casualties on our side but we didn't.
Ferox is latin for 'fierce'.
I think that you are confused. You obviously had a black out and meant to write, 'dumb-assed nazi', or simply, 'achmed'
Kisses, habibi
ferox - My point is that Israel improved where they live while the Palistinian leaders chose to pocket most of the aid. Who where when is not my problem, and the past cannot be undone. Maybe the Palistinians wouldn't need this aid if they had used it for construction of things other than mansions for the elite and to purchase of missiles from Iran. Will you respond to the content of my argument or continue to throw anti-Semetic rhetoric in my direction?
Ferox, you say we stole the land? Come and claim it, but don't hide in a mosque or in a school while you're at it. Coward terrorist.
OK, so you have these idiot Russians saying:
“Mashaal's delegation had assured him it would take measures to stop shelling Israeli territories with Qassam rockets.
Both Lavrov and Mashaal also said Hamas would reject violence in achieving its goals.”
AFTER this Hamas punk, this street gang thug says:
“the 'Arab world demands'”
“the continuation of aggressive policies will lead the region to an open battle,'
“construction near Jerusalem's Temple Mount would end in a 'bloody battle.'”
“Mashaal demanded in tougher terms that Washington resume its aid funding”
So what planet are the Russians on? It is time the west re-examined their relationship with these fools, selling nuclear reactors to Iran and the surface to air missiles to defend them and now inserting their incompetent rear-ends into the Palestinian problem on behalf of the terrorists.
The only thing these “Palestinians” seem capable of is violence. They don’t need our money and they don’t need the Russians to enable them to do it better.
First off what 'yeah' posted about his invisible friend was as correct as it funny. Now for a solution to all this. Bring everyone of our military personal “Worldwide” back to the US. Take all the money and resources currently spent on foreign affairs, wars etc. and put that into defending the US borders. Close off all communications with the countries that are not our “Allies” and then sit back and watch. I’m willing to bet within 5 the third world countries will have killed themselves off and the US and its allies will have the rest of the world to themselves. I tried to make this brief so I left out a lot of details but I’m sure you get the idea
“Who knows you may finally replace world wide loathing with respect.”
It would take a bigger trick then that in order to replace the contempt that the world is feeling for this religion of peaces with anything approaching respect. The thing is, “the jew” as you call them could probably do it. If you shipped the Palestinians to the arctic they would just kill each other and freeze to death.
What have the people of Middle East contributed to world in the last 500 years?
Positives: none.
Negatives: violence.
If the region wasn't full of oil these people would still be wandering around with their sheep in the desert. They've got as much culture as Beavis and Butthead and as much class as school at 5AM. Stuck in the Bronze Age with a conquering religion and now rich with WESTERN money...
I've got an idea, let's give more money to people who regularly try to kill us! Yeah that's it!
Wow - people are very polarized on this issue. But people should realize that the truth lies somewhere in between. Israel has certainly committed its atrocities; if I remember correctly Israel has more U.N. resolutions against it then ANY other country (and that doesn't even count the resolutions that the U.S vetoed, which are MANY). Palestinians are certainly not innocent either. The difference comes in unity and firepower - both of which Israel has attained, but those in Palestine have been unable (I would fear the day that those in Palestine get the same type of firepower). Regardless, everyone should be working for peace in the region, else we let hatred flourish and it will continue to cause problems outside of the mid-east as it has done in the past. You give people food, clean water, access to medicine and you'll diminish hatred at the source. You deny anyone these amenities and you risk creating a cesspool of despair. If we neglect the situation in the mid-east or Africa for much longer we will see the ramifications for generations.
To Fair and Ferox. Both of you gentlemen are misinformed and arrogant. Learn your history first, then come back to talk about whose land it is, who killed more and is killing yet more. Also mention of those who wants annihilation of civilian population, who largely annihilated all of their Jewish population and desecrated Jewish holy sites. These people still were getting our money until recently, when the logic and common sense prevailed. These same people now are threatening 'bloody battle'. Would anyone tell me when Israel fought un-bloody one? Israeli people defend democracy amongst the most undemocratic of nations of the world. Be grateful to them. Palestinians should after centuries of ignorance finally get the common sense into their heads. Threats don't get you anywhere.
ok - Give? Who gave those things to America? Who gave those things to Europe? Who gave those things to Russia? Japan? China?
Sorry but if they want those things you want to give to them they should lift more than their middle finger to get it.
well i'm sure glad that my government isn't sending my tax dollars to hamas . the u.s. is right to do the same , until muslims become tolerant of people who live in free soceieties . when you tolerate our requierment to separate church from state , then maybe we'll give ya some cash , to help you out . and hey pal , your demand that we give you aid is just a tad outrageous . until you tolerate us , your just going to keep running into a brick wall . our for-fathers didn't fight and die for us for nothing . take your demand , and stick it where the sun don't shine .
America is often criticized for meddling in other nations affairs. Here is one situation where we pulled out of a country (monetarily) and they do nothing but complain. Seems every country wants America’s money, created on the backs of hard working Americans who embrace the entrepreneurial spirit of capitalism (and separation of Church and State), but no one wants to work for it. Why don’t we pull our money out of more countries, allocate it to improving ourselves through education and infrastructure, and then have those countries show us why we should give it to them. Maybe then they will stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats or pull it together long enough to become self-sufficient. America is not running a charity here…
Moshe
You make some good points compared to the other buffoons. All thought the jew State had enough fire power to destroy most nations in the region. Half way there in Lebanon until the world said enough. Or more particularly the U.S. finally realized regardless of the destruction you cannot win. Hello Iraq. Hello Afghanistan. Enough embarrassment already. And a poor investment.
in repsonse to all the obviously ignorant folks out there who have no grasp of the Middle East, let alone the Palestinan-Israeli conflict. You guys can stick to your newspapers and tv media all you want, then talk as if you're educated about the topic by repeating the same discourses over and over again.
The truth of the matter is, the it is the US gov't, namely Congress and the President, who have stymied any real dialogue for peace between the Palestinians and Israelis. With every billion dollars allocated to the occupying regime of Israel, the 17th wealthiest country in the world which demands nearly 1/3 of US foreign aid, the US gov't is actively facilitating the further occupation and colonization of Palestine. This has been going on long before any type of suicide attack by Palestinians against Israel.
And in reponse to a clearly misguided individual who stated 'Palestinians already have a state in Gaza, and we all see how thats turning out' Really? Isn't a state supposed to control its own borders? I could've sworn that it was a state's right to control bordering sea ports and have access to land transits in order to have a functioning economy.
I have a suggestion: Read a book.
Hmm, if an American went nutzo and blew up a bunch of Muslims, we'd prosecute him just like any other criminal. If a Muslim blows up an American, not only do the Islamic nations not do anything about it, their citizens celebrate in the streets. And their clerics preach more violence against innocents. Until Muslims take real action to stop terrorist acts and show that they can live in a civilized world, I think they should be treated like the rabid dogs that they are. We'll give them aid... one 2000lb bomb at a time.
Well i guess you muslems now know what we in america think of you.Just because hamas was elected does not mean we have to agree with the out come and support it with aid$$$$$
Ferox write:
'But it was never your land that you worked these miracles on. Why not take those special skills to the Artic and turn ice into farmland.'
You wish to move the Jews to the Arctic? Very well, but alas, I do not think it would be the Palis who will receive the land.
Originally before the Muslims came there but after the jews were expelled the people that lived there were the Byzantine Greeks. So, do Greeks get the right of return from the Muslims? After all, THEY STOLE THEIR LAND!!! The mohammudans conquered 'palestine' from the Byzantines then killed off or drove off most of the Greek Christians there, Is that any different than what the Israelis did?? Yet you expect us to feel sorry for the Palis? Fuck them! Give the land back to the greek christians if you feel so badly about injustice. LOL!
uncles sam - Read a book? Try looking around. Tribal societies do not make good democracies. Iraq will never be a functional democracy because it takes a dictator to keep the clans from killing each other. Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are all monarchies. Clans respect the divine right of kings. Palestine has no functional government because THEIR OWN PEOPLE WILL NOT ORGANIZE! They need a figurehead behind which to unite, not a participitory government because they could care less about participating!
'You guys can stick to your newspapers and tv media all you want, then talk as if you're educated about the topic by repeating the same discourses over and over again. '
And you can stick to your groundless, scapegoating fantasy all you want. It doesn't mean people have to take you seriously.
you've got no idea at all of what you saying, and how. judge not! not the money they seek but the right to survive, just to survive. it is U.S. and israel who made them suffer for nothing. i see now, all who speak in here are among those who interested to dominate and to always be right, despite of the naked facts telling just the opposite. don't you see how far you've gone? but there is no you, you do not even have an origin! mixed trash and dreaming to expose the rest of the world to your living-beings.. i am one of you though, desparately hoping to live without so bad news.
when will israel or the US off Maashel. It's time this animal goes to visit allah
Point of fact about Ireland:
The Catholics were not killing the Protestants. The IRA was attacking the British (Catholic or Protestant) and carried out almost no sectarian violence, whereas the Loyalists (UVF etc.) quite often attacked innocent Catholics for being Catholic.
Point - Thanks for your insightful comments.
If Russia has all the answers let them support the Pal's??????
jewish Eskimos?Feb 27th, 2007 - 18:41:43
“Who knows you may finally replace world wide loathing with respect.”
'It would take a bigger trick then that in order to replace the contempt that the world is feeling for this religion of peaces with anything approaching respect. The thing is, “the jew” as you call them could probably do it. If you shipped the Palestinians to the arctic they would just kill each other and freeze to death'.
You may be right. Let's give the jew a try and see. We'll all keep our fingers crossed.
'you've got no idea at all of what you saying, and how. judge not! not the money they seek but the right to survive, just to survive. '
They have plenty of money for assault rifles and suicide bomb materials. Maybe if they diverted their resources away from perpetual violence they wouldn't need so much charity.
' it is U.S. and israel who made them suffer for nothing. '
It is they who have made themselves suffer for nothing. Peace deal after peace deal blown. Arafat stole a billion dollars yet they kept him in, every opportunity missed. Don't expect anyone else to take the blame for their 'suffering' they have brought it on themselves. They have inflicted more then their share of suffering on others as well.
Westerner - Thank you for curing me of my ignorance. I was making a point of people killing each other over religion, at least I was half right.
Quick observation: I have seen very little hatred directed at the Arabs, just observations of the corruption of their leaders and the disorganization and ignorance of their people. I have however seen much hatred towards the Jews.
There will be no peace without hate yet the hate seems one-sided. Reminds me of when I was almost attacked by a gang of blacks in Denver simply because I was born white. Yet they were the ones living in the slum demanding money, go figure.
'You may be right. Let's give the jew a try and see. We'll all keep our fingers crossed.'
It wouldn't matter, the Palestinians would still be at each others throats and the middle east would still be a mess. You would just need to find another excuse, or find a way to blame your troubles on the Jewkimos who's success would further underline your failure.
The more I think of George Bush the more I think of Adolf Hitler. Also, could anyone please tell me the last time that the USofA was invaded by a Muslim nation. Thanks.
Thinker - As a proud conservative I can find no fault in your statement, both points have crossed my mind.
quote - 'Reminds me of when I was almost attacked by a gang of blacks in Denver simply because I was born white. Yet they were the ones living in the slum demanding money, go figure.'
So are you inferring that there should also be a separation of racisms and State like there is or should be Church and state? I agree there is a LOT of potential in that thought. That would save a lot of time and money.
Thinker,
I recall 9/11. You are most welcome.
'The more I think of George Bush the more I think of Adolf Hitler.'
Heh... like you think.
'Also, could anyone please tell me the last time that the USofA was invaded by a Muslim nation. Thanks.'
Iran invaded sovereign territory of the USA in 1979 and held Americans hostage there for 444 days.. Islamists surreptitiously invaded the USA and launched attacks in 2001. There have been repeated attempts since then. Obviously, we are in a state of war with islamic terrorism.
No one -
No, I was drawing a comparison between two hateful disorganized groups with corrupt leadership who get mad when they don't get the money they 'deserve'. All the while very few will work for anything while the leaders fan the flames of hatred and continue to demand money for the sins of the fathers.
Last I checked Arabs really hate blacks so that last comment should get somebody worked up.
'So are you inferring that there should also be a separation of racisms and State'
Yeah... go wave a Bible around in Saudi Arabia.
yeah -
That is a lot of hatred lol, but well justified. I understood what said the first time just put me off on a different thought that would be better for a different thread / discussion.
Just goes to show that Islam is the new Sith Empire. Exactly - Israel makes a dirt patch into paradise, while the palestinians' part of the same dirt patch looks like the moon. Oh, don't pick up a hammer and some nails and offer to help rebuild the ramp to your own stupid mosque. Bitch instead, it's way more productive - or just strap a backpack full of C4 and wood screws to one of your kids and go 'ALALALALALA!'.
Such ignorance should be wiped from the planet. However, I think that in order to combat such niggardry, Israel should be translating as many books into Arabic as possible and launching catapult-fuls over the wall. If that doesn't work, then they'll have all that extra time to restock on bombs.
The re-forming of Israel is the best thing to ever happen to the Muslims, and they're too full of hate to see the poossibilities of an Islamic renaissance. Instead, all they can see is muder. All across the planet, it's muslims vs. someone else, and where there is noone else it's muslims vs muslims. Y'all niggas need to chill with that shit.
Beelzebub -
Very well said.
Beelzebub - very very well said.
If Israel picked up and moved to the Moon it would still be better off that dealing with psychotic Jawas on a daily basis. The post responding to Point made a good observation, that the Palestinians and their so called arab bretheren (who have treated them like S#!+) have made themselves suffer by not getting with the times and behaving civilly. Come on, read more than one version of the same book, at least.
Oh, and Ferox - from me to you, I'm gonna poop in your mouth and slap your mom.
Thanks guys!! : ) As for the Russians... man, there's so much hope for Russia - look at their cooperation with the Space Station, plus they gave the world Ayn Rand. I hate to see them backsliding into the old Cold War mentality, if they would embrace free markets and individual freedom they could be a light to the world.
In Soviet Russia, Muslims declare Jihad on YOU!! there, too!
I am so sick and tired of this. As an American I don not want any money to go to the Palistinians to support their backwards, uncivilized, terrorist ways. They have shown no interest in peace, but an interest in body peices only. Until they grow up, accept the state of Isreal, stop their street chanting, respect people (including women), and join the modern world nothoing should be given to them. Everything that has been given including land for peace, money, and a path towards freedom via democracy has been used for terror against Isreal.
While I am on point here, I also think that the USA should stop supporting the UN as it is the most worthless organization that has failed. The USA should turn its back on the Euro's and support only its true friends the Brits, Poles, and maybe one or two more European nations. The Euro's forgot who saved them from their own spinless behaviors (They would be part of Russia today). With friends like them who needs enemies.The Euro's are now becomeing a closed socialist society. And then the Middle East, still stuck in 600ad living under uneducated, uncivilized, draconian rulers.They get what they deserve. No more USA moniey should be given to all the corrupt nations.
In regards to Russia I remember a political cartoon from the early 90s on the editorial page. It showed Gorbechev talking to Uncle Sam lamenting about the organized crime and corruption after the fall of Communism and asking Uncle Sam what to do. Uncle Sam replied with something like 'wait ten years and the crooks will be running the government too and it won't matter'.
I'm afraid that has come to pass, the crooks got rich and run the government and I'm afraid nothing good will come of it.
Darth Heebus said:
'P@l35+ini4nz g3+ PwN3d like t3h N00Bz by t3h J00z! Bacalacaderk!'
Translation: 'Palestinians get owned like the noobs by the jews!'
I have no clue what 'Bacalacaderk' means...lol
Hamas Leader is pointing to the fact that thre is one outcome by recognizing the elections and the unifed government and speaking to the Palestinaians, being peace negotiations; while the continuation of the current policy of not speaking to the Palestinian Government will eventually lead to violence. Lots of American tax money goes to that reagion, why not have it be spent to promote peace as opposed to stubborn policies. They say they are willing to accept what Abbas negotiates! Everything we know about conflict resolution is out of the window when we talk about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. Meanwhile, we publically promote Al-Maliki in Iraq with his main support being Al-Sader. Alsadr is not our friend, is he?
What a load of trailer trash bigots obviously of the Crazed Southern Baptist ilk .. ROFL
Every significant conflict in the world right now is caused by the 'religion of peace.' Maybe its believers hsould be shipped to Antarctica. Their hot air can repair the ozone layer.
And Bezzelbeub .. you have forgotten how Israel was formed .. The Zionist have not changed .. they just get worse over the years ... Do you remember Rachel Corrie the Christian Peace Worker in Palestine .. if you cant .. basically it goes like this ..
Rachel stood in the path of an advancing bulldozer. The heroic IDF .. ran her down and crushed her beneath its tracks .. and to make sure that she was dead .. they back up over her and then proceeded forward again to demolish Palestinan Houses .. no doubt to make way for their Apartheid Wall .. Racist Barbarians of the lowest order .. they shoot Palestinian Children on a regular basis .. they then whine and snivel via the likes of you that nobody likes the Jews .. antisemitic points of view are growing around the world ..
Basically The free world is fed up with the Freedummy and Democrappy stuff when it is quite obvious that what Usrael is doing is stealing other peoples resources and committing Genocide on a Global scale ..
'Rachel stood in the path of an advancing bulldozer.'
There is your Darwin award winner.
...And the Flame war begins.
Ivor - you, sir, have some seriously clouded points of view. First of all, this isn't about Iraq (although clearly, the denizens of that place have their acts together - given Iraq's Impeccable human rights record, stable government loved by its people, and status as an emerging superpower before the evil yankee doodle invasion of 03). It's about why the Muslims can't act like human beings. And no, We're there because we need to retrieve the Pillars of Horus from their resting places under the Tower of Babel and Ziggurat of Ur, respectively. You know, if America had Zionist masters, then US troops would be on the ground. 'Sides, what's wrong with a little Zionism anyways? I've noticed that Zionism is the politically correct way to talk shit about Jews these days. The US civil war proved that America does kick ass, be it our own ass, christian ass, muslim ass, or zoroastrian ass.
You want to know about destroying a religion? How come more books have been translated into mandarin chinese in the last five years than have been translated into arabic in the last 500? Because Islam is not intellectually curious. One book is all they need. That sounds like a damn fine way to not only destroy a religion where there were once over 315 schools of independent philosophy (there are now about 5 in Islam), but a people as well by condeming them to ignorance.
I do think the Jesus bones thing is great, do a wikipedia search on 'jewish messiah' for a really good explanation of why Jews didn't accept Christ.
The Liberty? 9/11? Ok, so what do those have to do with Palestinians (who danced in the streets on 9/11, regardless of what the US gov's role was - oh wait, wasn't that the Mossad? I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, so long as they don't contradict each other. The theories surrounding Israel's involvement do so consistantly - as I recall the first warning came from them, which makes sense since they are surrounded by psychotic, death worshipping 6th century Jawas) behaving in a manner rife with niggardry, throwing stones and molotovs instead of helping to build their own goddamned ramp?!
On March 17th, please attempt to keep me in my house. I dare you. If I have to pick between the people who have maintained a beautiful, cultured and learned society for 2000 years - despite constant persecution - and people who strap bombs to their kids.. well, that's a no brainer. If I have to pick between a corrupt cabal of bankers, or the slave masters of the desert wastes and mountains of China - again, that's pretty easy. What's more inimical to personal, social and economic freedom - American Socio-Capitalism, Fanatic islam or Chinese commie-nism? Pretty easy choice to see who's the Light Side and who's the Dark Side. Long live the USA, Long live Israel. Hope the mooslims catch up soon and start living as free, independent, reasonable people.
Thanks for the spam Ivor.
Your collectivist philosophy is fatally flawed. You seemingly view Jews as a collective, as if we're a hivemind, like bees. Which is cool - I see nazis much the same way, but like ants. Insignifigant, easy to squish, and a minor annoyance at best. I WILL burn a star of david on your lawn if I have to, don't make me do it.
Hey kids, it's Ivor the self-descirbed 'Celtic-Anglo. BTW, what is that Eyevor? A Scot that has identity dissonance, or just pc term for your entirely unveiled cryptonazi, comrade-licking, islamo-blowing fascism?
He's back.
And, and, and, he just loves that Baathist-blowing muslim apoligist Georgie (I love to wear my guccis in my villa in Portugal) Galloway.
Don't you Abu Eyevo?r
Hey, Ivor - In Soviet Russia, Goebbels looks up to YOU!!
'Hey kids, it's Ivor the self-descirbed 'Celtic-Anglo'
He would have a better command of the English language then. Nope, Ivor is a sock-puppet, not to mention an attention whore.
Bezzelbub ..
The Liberty? 9/11? Ok, so what do those have to do with Palestinians (who danced in the streets on 9/11, regardless of what the US gov's role was.
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Oh I remember that the Feds bailed up a load of Jews that were dancing and filming on the roof of a Furniture Removal Van on the opposite side of the River from the WTC when it went down .. it sure looked like prior knowledge .. the van when forensically examined was found to contain traces of explosives .. the Jews have been seeding America for further terrorist attacks all designed to lead you into nuking Iran. The Jews concerned were deported back to Israel without charges being laid.
Oh and the Jews made a lot of money unloading stocks and shares in the affected airlines and the WTC .. 3 days before the attack .. I believe the Feds know which bank accounts that money ended up in.
The Jewish Embassy in New York is a radiation hot spot .. this has been confirmed by the FBI (Google it) A Radiation hot spot??
Its a safe bet that the Jews are not running and Oncology Centre .. It looks like a suitcase nuclear bomb that was smuggled in under diplomatic cover ..
I also hear the Feds have found another suspicious Jewish hot spot in Houston .. is that the major oil terminal in the USA?
Well .. it sure looks like the Zionists have ya all by the short and curlies and Cherthof head of Homeland Security holds dual Nationality .. How come someone who holds Jewish nationality can hold such a position?
They have already erected the concentration camps all over the USA .. has it never occurred to you to take a look at the security apparatus of Hitlers Germany? .. compare it with the current American set up .. they are identical.
Low key as yet .. but one more false flag incident in the USA and then the round up will occur .. with the long marches to the rail heads for transportation to detention .. Your Supreme Court ruled against the people and struck down the right of Habeas Corpus .. that means .. anywhere .. anytime .. at your work or in your bed .. they can come and take you .. and you have no rights .. BushCo was right .. ' the Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper .. wake up!
Selling short .. whats the matter ham sandwich?
Typical Zionist .. if you cannot cut the mustard then it gets right down to the personal attack .. the obscenities and the usual gob spittle rage .. answer the questions Dumbo.
Your Ancestors Disgust Me
It has come to my attention that many of your ancestors were pedophiles. They probably didn’t know it, since marrying 15-year old girls was considered “normal” by those perverts. And I’m sure they had excuses such as the fact that the life expectancy was 17. So maybe they rationalized it by saying they had to start pinching out new farm hands before the plague got them. Blah, blah, blah. But that’s no excuse for being a pedophile.
I also have it on good authority that your ancestors from several thousand years ago rarely washed their hands with soap after pooping in the desert, or forest, or igloo, whatever. You come from a long line of unhygienic child molesters.
If you follow your repulsive blood line far enough back, you will find that your ancestors were atheists at best, but more likely worshippers of phalluses.
That’s right: You are the genetic fruit of unhygienic, penis-worshipping, child molesters.
And they couldn’t read – those illiterate, unhygienic, penis-worshipping, child molesters.
Keep going back in time and there’s a virtual guarantee that somewhere a cousin married a cousin, or a brother married a sister. Statistically speaking, you’re probably an inbred spawn of incestious, illiterate, unhygienic, penis-worshipping child molesters.
It makes you wonder what dumb-ass things we’re doing now that our descendants will find humorously repulsive. I think they’ll get a kick out of the fact that about a billion people thought God carved ten commandments on stone tablets and somehow the tablets got misplaced. I’d like to know how that conversation went between Moses and Mrs. Moses.
Moses: “Honey, have you seen my stone tablets from God?”
Mrs. Moses: “They didn’t match the carpets so I threw them out.”
Moses: “WHAT??? THOSE CAME DIRECTLY FROM GOD
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In 3ss3nc3, Ivor got pwned.
Darth Heebus ..
ROFL what a nutter .. but you obviously cant be a Zionist with a name like that would I be correct in assuming 'Crazed Southern Baptist?
Your all welcome.....
Great, now I can cancel my Alex Jones subscription, since you've just pasted half of his website up here.
Yeah, I seem to remember an awful lot of Israeli Arabs that got rounded up. A lot of people PERIOD made a lot of money leading up to 9/11, what's your point? There's a Jewish Embassy? I'm sorry, I thought there was an Israeli embassy. Looks like I'M the one who should check MY facts. >: D
The Israeli Embassy in New York is a Bomb shelter, that much is true. I can understand that, given your limited command of english, you could get mixed up. While we're on that note, a lot of radioactive material is used in cancer treatment, anyone knows that. Considering that it took Jews to help invent the nuclear bomb, it's more than fair that they get them. A false flag attack, huh? Looks like the one to blame for any false flag attack is the one instigating it, not the one getting paid to carry it out. If your country was the size of New Jersey, and the strongest country in the world gave you an assload of foreign aid to hit one of its' own ships, wouldn't you? Oh no, that's against the koran/mein kampf/whatever Ivor is reading. Hypocrisy at its finest when you see what Muslims are doing in darfur, chechnya, kashmir, thailand, madrid, london, and on islam's own territory.
I personally don't like the idea of anyone in the US govt. holding dual citizenship, but if you want to connect the Bush family to the nazis, google Vannevar Bush and Prescott Bush. When it comes time to tear those camps down, this is one Jew that will be there - unless, of course, it turns out that everyone from the camps really is a detainee from Kerplachistan. I want the Bush regime out too, but know this - I for one have learned the lesson of the holocaust (funny, guys like you, Ivor, usually say that it never happened when it's convenient) - Round me up, when you try you can say hello to my little .50 caliber friend - Oh, and incidentally, you've not once said anything that refutes a single point that I've made about the mooslims being backwards and being in dire need of a renaissance. So, without posting half of David Duke's website, care to tell me how 6th century death worshippers have a culture that's better than America and Israel's?
Yep, that's what they sound like. I have an idea....why not just rocket attack his house?
Do come in Darling .. leave your 10 shekels at the door .. oh and that bucket in the corner is for the Impoverish America Foundation .. we have been doing rather well we get a minimum of 12 billion US crinkleys per year .. so a donation would be greatly appreciated.
Ivor h8s j00s but @ j00 pwn3d h1m. L1k3 @ n00b! ROFLMAOLOL pwnz0rz, j1v3 +urk3y!
Beelzebub .. your quote ..
Round me up, when you try you can say hello to my little .50 caliber friend - Oh, and incidentally, you've not once said anything that refutes a single point that I've made about the mooslims being backwards and being in dire need of a renaissance. So, without posting half of David Duke's website, care to tell me how 6th century death worshippers have a culture that's better than America and Israel's?
Prison planet is just one of a host of such sites .. because its for sure the biggest conspiracy stories on this planet are the Official stories of events.
Ah so ya pack a Magnum? well when Cherthof's Brown Shirts kick your door down I trust you will give good account of yourself .. mind ya 0.50 caliber sort of leaves ya out gunned against the stun grenades and gas grenades and the automatic rifles and the machine pistols .. should I contact Interflora now or later?
Well now just from the top of my head .. it was the Babylonians and the Persians that invented reading and math .. some of those inscribed clay tablets from around the Tigris and the Euphrates have been dated at circa 8000 years old.
They were great Astronomers and laid the foundations of modern Astronomy.
Western Medicine owes a great debt to the Physicians of Arabia .. for 1500 years they guided Western Medicine. Agriculture owes a great debt to those early pastorals of Babylon.
Take a look at some of the remaining architecture in Iraq .. take a look at the Glory of Moorish Spain .. take a look at Tehran .. all superb! They were civilized whilst we were still in Woad and Bearskins and no amount of Zionist hate babble against them can alter those facts.
You seem like a decent enough fellow .. tell me are you familiar with the history of Zionist Israel? .. Are you aware how the State was founded? Therein lies the bloody nub of a great injustice .. until that is rectified I really see no end to it .. and in spite of all of Israels brutality and apartheid in Palestine .. and the monotonous mantra recognise Israel .. I do not think the Palestinians will .. because if there is to be Justice .. there is only one state .. Palestine. And the Jews will have to jostle like everyone else to vote a Government into power.
Oh and BTW .. what do you think is the cause of the hot spot in the Jewish (Israeli)Embassy? and the one in Houston?
They have hated eachother for 4500 years. Do you honestly think it will change tomorrow. Israel has somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 solutions. Survival can bring about changes in human nature. With their nature as it is - only one can stand on the mountain top.
Ivor,
Do you remember Angelo Frammartino, a 24 year-old Italian student, who planned to set up summer camp for Palestinians? Those same precious palis he was so concerned about murdered him. A 'brave' Palestinian resistance fighter stabbed him while walking with four friends in the Sultan Suleiman street in the capital, near the Prahim Gate. Talk about biting the hands that feed you.
And yes, I do remember how israel was formed: a UN vote, followed by an armed attack by five countries who refused to accept that vote. The five Arab countries disgracefully lost to the Holoucast survivors, and ever since have not stop whining about it even for one minute, blaming the young state for all their troubles.
Genocide? what genocide? If the Israelis are performing genocide, then how come life expectancy in Gaza is 73 years, higher that that of Egypt, Syria and most African countries?
The yearly death rate in Gaza is 3.8 for every 1000 people. In Qutar the death rate is higher- 4.61; in Mexico- 4.73; in Albania - 5.12; in Turkey 5.96; in Thailand 7.03; in Switerland its 8.48; Japan - 8.95; United Kingdom - 10.18. I could go on, but I think the picture is clear: the death rate in Gaza is one of the LOWEST in the world. How do these data conform with your complaint about 'genocide'? So let me ask again: what genocide?
You can check it up yourself at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_death_rate.
Hey Ivor,
You nailed me. So I'll admit it all. Have no choice now.
I am a part of the Zionist conspiracy. Yes, I confess. We control America, we control the UN as well as China and the EU. We are on our way to get Russia too, just give us a couple of years from now and that's done. Yes, we were responsible for 9/11, but not only that. We are responsible for Lady D's murder, Elvis and the Titanic. Ha! bet you didn't know that!
Of course we orchestrated the Holoucast, wasn't an easy thing to do, but nevetheless we did it so well. Of course if we had any clue at the time that a few suicide bombings would immediately convince the Europeans how oppressed and persecuted we were, we wouldn't have bothered, but who knew.
And here is the great secret no one yet knows: remember the disappearence of the dinosaurs? It was us who did it! Aren't we just cool? Oh, and last but not least - the creation of the world is also a Zionist conspiracy! read the Bible - its all written there. Ha! and to think we have managed for so many years to make you fools believe that this world exist!
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WesternerFeb 27th, 2007 - 17:12:47
So, let me get this straight. Unless we give you more money you will hate us. As opposed to the overwhelming love the Arab world shows for us now right?
Perhaps you should hit up your incredibly rich Arab brethren for money instead of 'The Great Satan'. Stick it, you piece of garbage.
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