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Iran says all British detainees in good health (Roundup)
Mar 25, 2007, 15:11 GMT
An undated handout picture shows British Navy vessel HMS CORNWALL in the North Arabian Gulf. The British government demanded the immediate and safe return of 15 Royal Navy sailors seized at gunpoint by Iranian warships in Iraqi territorial waters. The incident, involving the Royal Navy\'s Type 22 frigate HMS Cornwall, happened at around 0730 GMT on 23 March, following a inspection of a merchant ship. EPA/CROWN COPYRIGHT RESERVED - LA JANNINE B HARTMANN
Tehran - Iran on Sunday said that all the 15 British detainees in Tehran were in good health, state news agency IRNA reported.
Foreign Ministry General Director Rahim Pour further told British Ambassador to Tehran Geoffrey Adams that a certain process must be passed in the case.
'Despite the Norouz (Persian New Year) holidays (until April 2), relevant Iranian officials were following the issue,' he said.
The Iranian official added that Iran has constantly tried to show restraint in border conflicts but 'violation (of Iranian territory) and contradictory remarks by relevant British officials have caused some reactions within (Iranian) people and officials.'
'Therefore, such suspicious moves require accurate and documented investigations,' the Foreign Ministry official said.
It is still unclear whether British diplomats were allowed to visit the detainees.
The tone from Tehran on Sunday was considered by observers as softer than in the first 48 hours following the arrest of the British service people in the Persian Gulf, indicating that Iran was looking for a way to settle the issue without further escalating the crisis.
Iranian state media had earlier Sunday reported that the British ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Ministry over 'violation of Iranian territorial waters by the British Navy,' but IRNA reported a meeting and not a summoning.
There has been no confirmation so far of a report by Britain's The Times which quoted an unnamed local website close to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying that the 15 Britons would be charged with espionage.
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The Iranians should not release the British sailors and marines who ventured into Iranian waters until the U.S. releases all Iranian diplomats and government workers wrongfully held in Iraq.
I think it is time to to say 'Let them go free or we're coming in to do some severe damage'.
Regards
William Haggerty
I think it is time to to say 'Let them go free or we're coming in to do some severe damage'.
Regards
William Haggerty
When everybody lies, how do you know what the truth is?
To Placidguy, You believe the Iranian regime over the US govt? Go live there and see how much you trust them.... They sit on enough oil to float flood the Middle East but they need nuclear energy for 'Peaceful Purposes'
Still sounds like the blame game. Politics as usual. Just let me win and I will be satisfied.
I think Iran is trying to stir somthing up. Testing just how far they can push before the British and USA get upset. It is like the Big Mouth frog joke.
You do realize the Iranians are abit maladjusted to mess with Britian.
If an Iranian or Iraqi doesn't give a second thought to blowing himself and as many innocet bystanders as possible to Allah, what makes you think they would hesitate to launch a Nuclear weapon if they had one?
Go U.S. and U.K.
The situation is quite simple, we should the Iranians 24 hours to release all the navy personnel and equipment or we go in an take them by using whatever force is required to get the job done.
If we were up to anything covert we wouldn't have been caught.
What have the Iranians held in the US got to do with the British sailors? The UK and the US are two different nations, if the Iranians were searching for some bargaining chips for their guys then they should have gone looking for some Americans who where 'in their waters'.
I had thought that Iran was okay, even that they might be responsible enough to manage nuclear technology, but this event, kidnapping the sailors of a country you aren't at war with, really changed my opinion. Hope you Iranians like your sanctions.
Kisses from the UK
nuke iran -= death to iran
To USA all the way: On the use of nuclear power by energy rich countries. The news is that Canadians want to use nuclear energy to push tar sands from below ground to the surface. Not enough water anymore. Now the ‘nuclear’ is supportive of oil extraction. Also, isn't it amazing that five nuclear weapons country agree to say that the nuclear ambitious are illegitimate while they at the same time are modernizing their armament, in contradiction to commitments under the NPT? Trust you said?
This is another perfect example of why the world should not trust the irainians. They lie, then lie again, and then lie somemore. I wonder what they are truly hiding. This hostage taking is part of their playbook as seen in the past. The world needs to awake and firmly take insult and action to this diabolical regime.
Placidguy is nuts
So now the little tyrant terrorist Hitler want to be Ah'mad'inejad is doing what he only knows best. Capture innocent people and hold them as hostages to get what he wants. How few people know that he was one of the terrorist holding American hostages during the President Carter Administration. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly announces that he believes the Mahdi will return in just a few years and he was placed in office by his god to prepare the way for the second coming of the Mahdi. The mullahs that put Ahmadinejad in office publicly announce the same. Also announcing publicly that the Iranian President Ahmadinejad believes Iran's nuclear program , for weapons , will also speed up the return of the second coming of the Mahdi ( which means the end of this world will come ). As Hitler did , Hitler lied to the public and other countries for the arming purpose of Germany as history proves. So is Ahmadinejad. The Iranian statements for enrichment of uranium for nuclear energy are lies. Ahmadinejad's agenda is to provoke a clash between countries. His faith is that the more enemies (devils) that he kills or are killed by his leadership the better a place in heaven he will have. This means that they are eager for a nuclear war. The mainstream medias do not publish 'all' that Ahmadinejad is publicly announcing. the British troops captured should have turned away from the Iranian's and if a military battle started Ah'mad'inejad would not have more bargaining chips to stop the UN sanctions. By the UK soldiers not resisting just gives Iran more power the ways of a true evil terrorist leadership that it is.
to paraphrase an earlier post,
I think it is time to to say 'Let the spies go free or we're sending other peoples' kids in to do some severe damage to Iranian civilians'.
Isn't that our usual strategy?
The Iranians need to understand the seriousness of the situation.
The only thing they undestand is force.
It's very hard to trust both the British and US governments. Both have lied to considerable extremes to bring about war in Iraq. Now both govt are lying their butts off over Iran and is using almost the exact same play book: nuclear weapons (ha ha ha ha ha).
In simple truth, Iran is in fact running out of energy. In fact, Iran will stop exporting oil in the next ten years due to two facts: their oil production has in fact peak years ago, and, internal demand continues to rise.
Couple the nuclear lies with the US CIA backed coupe in 1951 to install the Shah, a ruthless dictator. So, who to believe in the end? It's tough to tell. The lies of Bush and Blair promulgate lies elsewhere.
The US and UK both back Israel with incredible weapons of mass destruction right at the doorsteps of Iran. So, who do you believe? Is Iran acting or re-acting? Hmm. Fact speak loud when you become aware of them.
On another front, anyone remember the Gulf Of Tonkin which was fabricated evidence to launch the US into the Vietnam War?
It's good to see some Persian countries stick it to the big liars. End of case.
Really, the answer is simple and others have stated it. By the way, I am American but NOT a Bush supporter.
1. Under the current regime, Iran is a terrorist and wildly irresponsible nation. Note the recent Holocaust denial forum featuring a bevy of neo-Nazis...to say nothing of terrorist support in Iraq, aid to Hezbollah, etc.
2. If the Brits had been up to something covert, friends, they would not have been caught. They were inspecting (and letting go) a vessel carrying automobiles and other goods headed for Iraq.
3. Iran has perhaps the premier propaganda machine, if only for its size, in the Middle East. They can call white black and a few tens of millions of uneducated, underemployed, and young people believe them.
4. War with Iran is dangerous. They have a substantial, and fanatical, military, a large land area, and coalition forces are stretched thin. However...
5. They must release the captured sailors and apologize. If they don't, I humbly submit that:
a. Coalition forces use missile, surface warfare, and air power to completely -- completely -- destroy their navy. Every last ship, submarine, boat, dock, warehouse, command center, you name. Rubble. Tit-for-tat. Of course, the sailors and marines might suffer; but they are sailors and marines, they are professional, and they are in a war and know the possible consequences. International order comes first.
b. Use every possible diplomatic and military means if possible -- if that means bombing the Iranian president's head -- to release the hostages.
It's really that simple.
time for the brits and the u.s. to put them over there knees and give them a good spank.
Do you believe their compasses or our GPS?
There are frightening similarities between the actions of Iran today and Germany before world war 2. The main difference is, however, that the existence of Nuclear weapons might mean that the next world-war will end only after destroying a large enough portion of it. Hopefully, enough countries will understand this, leave their personal agendas, and cooperate to make sure that stability is
Wonder what Jimmy Carter thinks about this?
What did we learn to do and not to do from him?
It's amazing the amount of ignorance in the comments like go 'bomb em'. Ha ha ha. You guys are clueless.
In the end, it's all a strategic game for the last remnants of easy oil. But, there is no easy oil in Iran since they have peaked already! They do in fact need to build an alternative energy infrastructure not dependent on oil.
The US and Iran would both like to see high oil prices but for different reasons. The US govt keeps inflating the dollar and relies on high oil prices to artificially create dollar demand. The Iranians want higher oil prices for obvious reasons.
The question at hand, why did the Brits inspect the ships so close to Iranian waters? It sounds like it's a tough call to know either way as to who is telling the truth. If it was not so close to the border of international waters, then how could this argument even get started?
Lies, lies, and more lies...
LOL.
abdullah, its nice to speak your mind in such a wonderfull country huh!
To Abdullah,
Thats a bit tat for tat, you will find the uk marines were in disputed waters from each side, better warning craft should have been dispatched, not prisoners.
It is entirely likely the SAS WILL GO IN AND GET THEM...
HOPEFULLY
As an ex member of special forces i can safely say they will already be there.
This is just silly the second that they were approached they should have fought back and the UK or US Navy should have interdicted in this sit, and if they were caught the one liner should be you have 24 Hrs to give us our people or your going to see Shock and AWWW II,
Someone send a tomahawk cruise missile through the Capitol building of Iran and then repeat the demand I bet you have their full and undivided attention then.
As a country they feel that they can disregard things from the UN, well it is the UN I know but this is the UK they are our friend is in this mess and need to be supported.
If not completely close the ports of that country and impose a no fly zone as well. If those were my marines I would want a option on the table to use what ever force is necessary to get my men back including a nuclear option be it a small tactical nuke
It sounds like this may have been preplanned. Iranain officials had thier visas in time to address the UN, but said they didn't. I have a hard time beleiving that they would not be more outspoken to present thier case in person before the UN. I have a hard time beleiving that the Iranian President, whom is quite outspoken would take this laying down, given his past behaviors.
The route to the simplest truth would be the true GPS coordinates of the British sailors and the Indian ship before and after boarding. Match the GPS coordinates with the maretime charts and see what you've got. It would be very easy to feret out the liar.
I don't want to see thing escalate out of control, but the capture of the sailors didn't change the security councils vote, and will only futher aggravate the situation. If there is nothing to hide, put up or shut up. Prove to the UN that they are liars and let the inspectors prove to the world that the UN officials are bullish idiots.
Then Iranian President should give Mohmar a call and inquire about the remodeling job we did on his house. Then again Sadam's house looks much better. Seems to be plenty of open air space.
I think that if the British are smart,They will stop talking which is perceived
as weakness and demand the release of their people.If not start to destroy the infratructure of Iran. This they will understand.
24 hours...
Give then 24 hours and send in the Bombers and fighter jets
Funny how they climb down when they actually realise they would lose a full blown toe to toe fight with a professionally trained tri service force.
We have to play fair under rules of engagement.
Quite apart from that, the intellectual elite in Iran were flabbergasted at the actions of one of their hydra heads. They have only the most poor of controls and consistency over their forces (many different variants) and political/religious structures which are numerous, dont talk to each other, and pull in different directions.
I would dearly love for the Senior Service to not have to play fair when no one else does - but then you must lead by example.
I assure you, if they werent returned, things would have gone very badly for Iran and its outdated old equipment and amateur forces.
Either that or we should have let us actually fight and turned Iran into a slight bit of Global Warming at 28,000 degrees C.
Islam has bleeding borders - and Global Sharia will never happen. Deal with it - time for the little kiddies to grow up.
A peaceful believer nation is one in which it has learned to ignore most of the Koran and Hadith.
I laugh as I read comments like just send a Tomahawk in.
Do you idiots even realize who controls the Straights of Hormuz where 40 percent of the world's oil travels through?
Ha ha ha. Keep talking, you morons. Keep talking. See who's crying when gasoline in the US is $5.00 at the pump!
And, speaking of Jimmy Carter, the Iranian revolution was a REACTION to US foreign policy based on the CIA backed coup to overthrough the democratically elected govt and install a ruthless dictator, ie, the 'Shah'. Please, stop the ignorance already.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The fact of the matter is that Iran is testing how far they can push the respective govt.s before they esculate the situation themselves. Iran wont go head to head with the royal navy, anyone remeber the uss cole incident? the Iranians lost a frigate. there is no way they will risk war yet.
however, this could be the ideal excuse for war, for example Hitler an the Rhineland, Iran and the al shat arab waterway.
I think Iran needs to stop making trouble in the mid east by funding and training all the terrorist groups, taking hostages, and attempting to build a nucleur bomb. Someone needs to step up and stop them.
The problem is all the European countries except England are too scared to doing anything but they need to understand that Iran could possibly reach them with a missile...Let them built and you will see
Please people,
for once stop blaming everything that happens in the Middle East on the Americans....The Persians have deffinitly overstepped their borders on purpose and are looking to instigate something far worse....If the best you can say is that USA should release prisoners, then I think the USA and UK would have a better chance at rescuing the soldiers by force than by diplomacy.
aKudoos for USA standing by UK
Tin Plated Armchair Generals .. roll up! .. roll up! .. 10 a penny!
How short peoples memory is .. the Yanks are in a blue funk .. crapping themselves .. that explains the the braggart spittle spraying Rambo's that have posted in this thread .. corner a mongrel dog and they snap and yap.
One would have expected a more reasoned approach by the British Slaves .. after all they have the example and lessons of Ulster and the British Military Intelligence meddling there to go by. This in case they need a reminder of a dirty and shameful Colonial past.
The paranoid yanks have set a lot of precedents such as the taking of Iranian diplomatic staff in Iraq .. the slavish arse licking Brits are gonna find it a little harder to spring their mates from an Iranian jail .. much harder then sending APC's and battle tanks to demolish an Iraqi police station to spring two undercover SAS men.
In case perfidious Albion has forgotten .. the two criminals were caught close to an Iraqi market in a car rigged as a mobile bomb .. with dyed hair and dressed as Arabs .. just as they did in Ulster with the Orange Men and the Catholics. Sectarian violence and suicide bombers .. Give me a break!!
Persia was civilized whilst our ancestors were running around daubed in woad and wearing wolf skin cod pieces. Iran has done nothing wrong .. yet probably the most evil regime on the planet .. Zionist Israel is an illegal nuclear power with an alleged 200 plus nuclear bombs. Where is the sanctions against them?
Israel and America have threatened to use nuclear weapons against a non nuclear power .. it is not hard to see who the real terrorists are. The sell out traitor Blair has led us down a road of impending destruction .. The war criminals from the Axis of evil must be dragged in chains if necessary to the International Court to face charges of War Crimes and crimes against humanity .. Bush Blair Olmert et al.
Amadina-gihad,(yes I know I spelled it wrong, its called a play on words, a pun)
Please ditch the members only windbreaker, strap a bomb to your chest and become a suicide bomber/hero. That would make everyone happier.
Osama,
Please see above request, and put your beliefs where your mouth is.
One question that I have is if you continue suicide bombing and the majority of the people killed are your own countrymen, what is going to happen when thier are no more men, woman, and children left in the country?
Dear Iranians, all of you and your families who do not agree with Amadina-gihad, please request boxes and newspaper, pack your house up and move out of the country.
All citizens who stand up for suicide bombings agree with that little midget, please move to Tehran. In the US we have a welcoming group called Welcome-Wagon. They would like to drop you a gift for everyone to share.
One universal parking lot complete with free-gasoline and a small parking fee coming up. Maybe a future place for a Universal Studios, Disney World, Waterpark? It could work.
Abdulla - get stuffed.
Why didn't the captain of our Warship protect his crew? He must have been aware of an approaching force. He should be court marshalled for dereliction of duty. I expect it was something to do with Iranian Human Rights and the Health and Safety at Work Act! Our country is run by a bunch of gutless tossers. When Iran kidnapped some Russians they were told to release them immediatelly or their country would cease to exist. Guess what happened....!
We have Trident. Let's see what happens if we threaten Iran with a few.
Hitler - I love the Hitler comments. Folks, if you want to talk about Hitler, talk about Sudan then! The genocide is immense there. And of course, it's all due to oil contracts with China and the Sudanese govt.
Why doesnt the US and UK govt's stop the genocide there? Where's all the talk about ruthless dictators with respect to Sudan? Hmm. Kind of quiet now, huh?
The simple truth is China is making the oil deals in Sudan and the US and UK are sitting on the sidelines while innocent people are murdered everyday.
There's no Hitler in Iran. You idiots have no idea of what you're even talking about. End of case.
Oooh? Them guys on both sides must be wrong. Let's don't talk, let's bomb.
Last I heard there were 97 million slaves in the world, more than at any time in history. And there are nations that assent. Svoboda.
'Do you idiots even realize who controls the Straights of Hormuz where 40 percent of the world's oil travels through?'
The US Navy, so go screw yourself comical Ali.
Most of you people who advocate attacking Iran have never probably actually been in military combat. Ask the neo-Crusaders (U.S. and U.K.) soldiers who are getting killed and maimed everyday in Iraq and Afghanistan if they are anxious to confront another foe? Maybe those warmongers George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Tony Blair and John Howard should go out and lead the troops. The Western nations and their Zionist ally have a propensity for war. But a war with Iran would be unwise. The so-called superpower USA is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan, how can they expect to defeat the Iranians who have far better arms, equipment and military training than the adversaries that the US is currently facing? Israel with their overwhelming weaponry (supplied by the U.S.) could not even defeat 1500 lightly-armed (compared to the IDF) Hezbullah fighters in Lebanon. Too many neo-Crusader lives are being wasted or ruined in Afghanistan and Iraq, why start another imperialist war in Iran? The U.S. is losing two wars right now, why start a third? Also, if one uses the Japanese as a model, Iran will financially rule the world by the year 2040 if it gets nuked. Japan, an island nation with no natural resources, has become the world's #2 economy 60 years after the devilish U.S. dropped two Atom bombs on it. Iran is a large country with vast natural resources, not to mention oil and natural gas. Iran would recover and prosper even quicker than Japan did. If history repeats itself maybe the Western nations should start teaching Farsi in their schools the day they attack Iran.
Bomb Em - LOL. Good comments. Keep em up. My oil and gold investments are doing great - up 30% per year for the past 4 years. Go send in the US Navy for Hormuz? You'll be paying big cash at the pumps, and I'll be taking it all! Ha ha ha ha. In the end, money talks, and BS walks. You may want to start walking...
Cha-ching...cha-ching...send those oil prices higher!
LOL.
24 hours to give up the brits?! Talk, and more talk?! The hell with the 24 hours, and the hell with more talk! Go in there and kick ass! No more pussyfooting around! The British are our friends and allies. A threat to the Brits, is a threat to the US. GO BRITAIN, GO USA!
Hey 'Bomb Them', I'll bet you drive an SUV too. Ha ha ha. Keep the price of gasoline up so I can make more money! You do it to yourself and you have no one else to blame. Ha ha ha ha.
Let's see, what oil company stock to buy next? Hmm....mabye a little Diamond Offshore, Transocean, Baker Hughes, Tesoro, Valero? Hmm.
Keep it comming, keep it comming.
LOL!
It's a sad state of affairs to say the least. I cannot claim to know if they (The British) were or were not in Iraqi or Iranian waters, but it seems to me that this situation could lead to a very volitile series of events, possibly culminating in a conventional war. If that were to occur then there is no doubt in my mind that the USA would join with the British and launch an attack from all sides against Iran, the immediate results of which would be very one-sided. However the long-term effects would be detrimental to the invaders, econimcally, politically, and militarily. It is a no-win situation for all sides (Iran, Britain, and the USA).
And on another note, for those of you who casually say 'Lets simply wipe them off of the face of the world.' Just remember, there was a very similar sentiment that existed back in the 1930's and 1940's among many individuals. Genocide is not the answer. (Unless of course you can completely cover up your tracks so no one knows that is was you or that it ever happened. In todays information age that would be next to impossible.)
'Go send in the US Navy for Hormuz?'
We have 2 carrier task forces in the Arabian Gulf now, each with more firepower then all the munitions expended in WW2.
'You'll be paying big cash at the pumps, and I'll be taking it all! Ha ha ha ha. '
Gee, we might have to open the strategic oil reserve... Ha HA HA...
' In the end, money talks, and BS walks'
Indeed, if blockaded Iran's government will fail. Oil is the onnly thing they export, besides terrorism.
I KNOW the US has task forces in the Persian Gulf. I love it too. It just keeps the price of oil up. While the rest of the world is developing alternative solutions, the US govt continues to banter and banter and beat it's chest. It tries to artificially prop up the dollar. What a joke. Just look at the dollar over the past three years folks. It's a one way ticket down.
As the dollar weakens, all the goods in Walmart go UP in price! Ha ha ha. Who's to blame for that? Walmart? Nope, it's failed US foreign policy and fake pumping of the dollar.
The Chinese are already preparing to unleash $200 billion in US treasuries to buy US Assets. Bonds have no value, but, assets do.
As I said, money talks, BS walks. There's a lot of ignorance in so many comments.
In the end, the US and UK are trying to keep up the dollar hegemenony with all their war bantering. Ha ha ha. That wont last. Trust me.
For me and my money, it's energy and gold stocks, baby. Time to start counting all the profits comming!
Go US Navy, go! Go US Marines! Go make the price of oil go up!!! And, get a free college education (if you live) in the process! The consideration of maybe becoming a net exporter of goods just never seems to be an accepted policy of the US. Trade deficits will soon approach $1Trillion per year! Ha ha ha ha ha.
You see, the real issue here is dollar hegemony and trying to keep the oil addiction going in the US. It wont last. My money's on energy and gold.
LOL.
'Hey 'Bomb Them', I'll bet you drive an SUV too. Ha ha ha'
Another bet you would lose, Ali.
'Keep the price of gasoline up so I can make more money! You do it to yourself and you have no one else to blame. Ha ha ha ha.'
Price spikes drive down oil stock.. Idiot.
'Let's see, what oil company stock to buy next?'
I didn't know you could buy stock with food stamps. I have Exxon/Mobil, however I HIGHLY recommend buying defense stock. They will be going through Tomahawk missiles and JDAM kits for their bombs. Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon...
So laugh away Ali.
To Persian Victory?!? Trust me, you haven't even come close to seeing the power of the United States. You use the Japenese as a note of example. Well, they too found out the hard way what it's like to mess with a sleeping giant! By the way, just how the hell do you figure Iran will be richer in a nuke scenario? Do you really believe that Iran will even be able to get oil out of the ground ? What a moron! Better study up on how hot the region will be for hundreds, if not thousands of years. I'm sure you'll be able to find all kinds of people who will just love to work in a radio active waste land.
Exxon/Mobil? Ha ha ha. Pleeeease. You wont make much money with them. Their reserves are about peaking as we speak. Mark my words, in the short years to come, Exxon/Mobil will go down in price even as oil rises! It's the drillers you idiot that will make all the money. (Compare XOM to the oil services etf OIH)! Exxon/Mobil has to pay more and more to the drillers as their supplies begin to peak and eventually decline!
As I said, money talks....BS walks. And, I'm still talking. You've got nothing.
LOL.
In the end, it's a lot of talk going on with Iran and the US. Both sides are trying to pump up oil prices for their own purposes. And, I love it. It makes me richer!
I highly recommend protecting yourselves with investments in energy. What else can you do, put a bumper sticker on your car?! Ha. Put you money on the line, folks.
LOL.
And...speaking of price spikes. Ha, what little you know. It's the supply demand that drives prices in the long run. AND, supply is peaking and demand is rising!
LOL.
Go marines! Go Navy!
'The Chinese are already preparing to unleash $200 billion in US treasuries to buy US Assets. Bonds have no value, but, assets do.'
Bonds have no value? 'As I said, money talks, BS walks. There's a lot of ignorance in so many comments.'
US GDP is 13 trillion, China's is 2.2. Next.... (You ignoramus)
'Go US Navy, go! Go US Marines! Go make the price of oil go up!!! '
Oil stocks grow on stability. Price shocks drive down oil stock... You see, if you are in the market you are a rube who is going to be picked clean because you are a blow hard who thinks he knows something he doesn't. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow.
'And, get a free college education (if you live) in the process! '
Hey, they paid for my grad school.
'You see, the real issue here is dollar hegemony and trying to keep the oil addiction going in the US.'
AAAh the 'dollar hegemony' argument. Sweet, sweet, satisfying proof that you do not know what you are talking about.
It's amazing how a little terrorist that publicly states he ( Mahmoud Ah'mad'inejad ) and the mullahs that helped make him the President is here on earth to prepare for the second coming of the Mahdi which they believe is the end of the world. Leaders of other countries know all that he is saying and the majority of the population does not know truly what he states. Ahmadinejad publicly announces that Israel and supporters such as America AND EUROPE should not be on earth. All of Ahmadinejads adult life he has proclaimed death to Americans, death to Israel, death to any who is not Islamic. This is a man that provokes conflicts. Iran does not deny supporting terrorist actions. And people have the thoughts to blame other countries for wars. Has anyone forgotten that Ahmadinejad asked America to stop Saddam due to Saddams threats to Iran years ago. It was all another lie by Ahmadinejad. A country that has a leader that wants the world to end and claims other countries should not be on earth wants nuclear power ! For energy ? I don't hear Bush , or Blair stating they want the world to end ! As Ahmadinejad states he does ! The nations that are armed with nuks are to deter countries lead by people like Ahmadinejad. But it's not working Ahmadinejad wants world war.
Pleeeeeeeease!
'US GDP is 13 trillion, China's is 2.2. Next.... (You ignoramus)'
Why dont YOU tell me which country's currency is gaining and which is falling? Why dont you tell me what the GDP growth rates are of both countries if you even know! (I know).
'Oil stocks grow on stability. Price shocks drive down oil stock'
What are you even talking about? Oil stocks grow on stability? You make no sense. Oil stocks grow based on demand for oil. And, demand is rising. And no, demand is not rising mostly in the US. It's rising mostly in China and India.
'dollar hegemony' - no, it's YOU that dont know what your talking about.
What's your graduate degree in, psychology?
You can banter all you want. It's my portfolio that keeps rising.
There's little I can do to stop the wars, but, there's plenty I can do to profit from the wars. That's capitalism.
LOL.
....and oh, yeah, what country is a net borrower, and what country is a net lender? Hmmm. (Answere: US is the net borrower, China is the net lender)
Gross GDP is meaningless, especially when borrowing increases GDP.
LOL.
Keep up the ignorance.
Go Navy, Go Marines, Go Bush drive my energy and gold stock prices up! I plan to buy up some ocean front property and hire some Americans to do my cleaning! Ha ha ha ha. (I dont mean to offend the Mexican hard workers).
The U.S. got their butts kicked in Vietnam. Got chased out of Somalia and Lebanon. Now the U.S. is losing in Afghanistan and Iraq. What U.S. firepower? No one is afraid of the U.S. military. The U.S. has all the weaponry but as Osama Bin Laden was reported (in BBC) to have said about the U.S. forces in The Battle of Tora Bora: the U.S. soldiers lack courage and conviction. Why do you warmongers relish combat but you are not participating in it? Ask some of those poor legless fools at Walter Reed Army Hospital if they support the Bush/Cheny neo-Crusader Wars? Ask the parents of the 3,300 dead U.S. soldiers, sailors, and marines if they are happy to have sacrificed their children on the alter of imperialism? Those whose support continued U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq should enlist and go fight themselves rather than talk it killing. The world needs peace, but you people are so blinded by hate, xenophobia, bigotry and racism that for devils like you violence is the only answer.
To 'U.S. GETTING BUTTS KICKED!!!', you've got some good points. In the end, the US is not making much headway in Iraq or Afghanistan. But, US debts keep rising as it tries to pay for the wars. And, all the fighting is on the backs of the poor who are tricked into enlisting.
While the soldiers are fighting the Bush war, the US citizens are shopping and claiming they 'support the troops' with bumper stickers. If they truly supported the troops, the debacle in Walter Reed would never have taken place.
In the end, the real cure is to cut back on wars and increase industrial trading production. No country goes to war with a stong trading partner.
'Mark my words, in the short years to come, Exxon/Mobil will go down in price even as oil rises!'
It will go down if there is a price shock. That is for sure. And yes, Exxon is close to the top of it's arc.
'It's the drillers you idiot that will make all the money.'
The hell you say. So if there is instability in the middle east where the drillers do their drilling, that is going to be good for business? A shock there effects everyone.
'As I said, money talks....BS walks. And, I'm still talking. You've got nothing.'
Aaaah yes, dirt poor. :-D
'And, I love it. It makes me richer!'
Congratulations. (seriously, I like it when other people do well, even if you are an asshole) I think your ride is about over. Markets like stability. A big constriction on supply is going to lead to a long term constriction on demand. Just as it did in the '70s. The end result was 11 dollar a barrel oil.
'It's the supply demand that drives prices in the long run. AND, supply is peaking and demand is rising!'
1) Peek oil is a myth. 2) That is the 'long run' we are talking about.
All of which is obviously besides the point. Just a little measuring contest, eh?
The point is you have a rogue regime in Iran that has, well, let me snip here: Since 1979, in no particular order Iranians or Iranian funded and controlled terrorist groups have; invaded our embassy and held our diplomatic staff for 444 days, took American journalists and a British minister hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley, bombed the US embassy in Lebanon which killed 17 Americans, the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing which killed 241 Americans on a peacekeeping mission, the Khobar Towers bombing killing 19 Americans…
They hijacked an aircraft and killed navy diver Robert Stethem and unceremoniously dumped his body on the tarmac, bombed a Jewish center in Argentina, killing 85, their proxy Hezbollah has started several conflicts with Israel, including the one last summer which left hundreds killed, they still have a bounty on the head of Salmon Rushdie for writing a book that they didn’t like… They have provided the Shiite death squads in Iraq with training and material as well as the Sunni death squads that go after the Shiites with the objective of creating as much bloodshed as passable. They have also been supplying shaped charges and shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles to kill coalition troops...
They Chant 'death to America' on a daily basis in their schools and Mosques,they continually threaten to wipe Israel off the map, they have mined the Strait of Hormuz, they publicly lynch girls for being 'disobedient', they publicly lynch boys for being homosexual, they publicly lash women for the crime of being raped, they stone women to death for infidelity, they censor their news, murder political dissidents, invented the suicide bomber...
They are now kidnapping British sailors and holding them hostage.
If you can figure out a way to make money off of this, good for you. The Casus belli here have to do with principal, not profit.
'In simple truth, Iran is in fact running out of energy. In fact, Iran will stop exporting oil in the next ten years due to two facts: their oil production has in fact peak years ago, and, internal demand continues to rise.'
Their production has peaked because their refining facilities are outdated and in need of repair and expansion
Their supply is plentiful
...I do love making money, I'll admit that! There's nothing I can do to stop the Bush war/lie machine, nor can millions of demonstrators around the world. But, if he keeps pumping up war, why not profit from it? You'd be a fool not to.
As for Peak Oil. Yes, in fact it is true. To all reading these links, I highly recommend reading up on Peak Oil (do a simple google search). There have been no new major oil discoveries in the past 25 years (an no, the new Chevron 'Jack' discovery doesnt count by a long stretch). Just about all the largest wells are in production declines as we speak. Even Saudi Arabia appears to be about peaking in production based on the most up to date research.
It's no wonder the US and UK are heavily concentrated in the Persian Gulf, once you remove the rhetoric and blabber. The elite leaders know what's going on.
You can blab and complain. But, I recommend doing research on the subject, and protecting yourself financially.
The US debt levels keep rising, net exports keep declining, oil addiction keeps increasing. Almost NO effort has been made in energy conservation in the US. But, the war machine keeps moving on. First Iraq, then Iran. Who's next, Saudi Arabia?
Now, let's turn to the UK. They relied heavily on North Sea production. Up until about 3-4 years ago, the UK was a net exporter of oil. It had tons of oil from the Nort Sea. Folks, that aint true anymore. The North Sea has in fact peaked in the the late 1990's. Now the UK is like the US, a slave to oil producing nations. At least the UK is making an effort in alternative energy.
So, as I said, do your own research. The facts point to peaking world oil production while at the same time increasing demand, namely in China and India (where the US exported the jobs to).
You can cry and complain all you want and claim to be patriotic (wave the flag, put on bumper stickers, wear flags on lapels). But, if you're not protected from the energy problem and devaluing of the US dollar, you're likely to be working like the poor Mexicans in the decade to come.
Best wishes to the intelligent.
We'll see who's lauging in 10 years - an it will be me buying up ocean front property in the US!
Comical Ali (That's a funny name - I kind of like it!)
'Why dont YOU tell me which country's currency is gaining and which is falling?'
Both are rising.
' Why dont you tell me what the GDP growth rates are of both countries if you even know! (I know).
'
China, as a country is growing at a faster clip. They have a lot of catching up to do. BTW, per capita the USA grew more. Do you think with a population of over a billion Chinese is going to be able to sustain these growth rates? Sooner or later these folks are going to want to reap the rewards of their work.
'What are you even talking about? Oil stocks grow on stability? You make no sense. Oil stocks grow based on demand for oil.'
It makes perfect sense, stable supply leads to more positive earnings. Price spikes drive down demand, there is a short term profit but longer term, and not that much longer term it is a net loss. The ideal is steady supply slightly outweighing steady demand. Shocks disrupt the system and are bad for overall growth.
'And no, demand is not rising mostly in the US. It's rising mostly in China and India. '
Exactly, their economies are more vulnerable to price spikes then ours. (Or mine) A constriction on supply leads to economic contraction there, which leads to a bigger constriction on demand, which means the price drops. This ends up rolling back more profit then was gained on the initial price jump.
''dollar hegemony' - no, it's YOU that dont know what your talking about.'
Gee, such proof of your theory. Shouldn't you be googoling the Asia times which started that little internet BS bandwagon?
'There's little I can do to stop the wars, but, there's plenty I can do to profit from the wars. That's capitalism.'
Well then, you go. If taking on a perverse theocratic totalitarian Islamic theocracy makes you a few bucks, so be it. Yet another reason to do the right thing.
'Gross GDP is meaningless, especially when borrowing increases GDP.'
Fine, look at the GDP/Debt ratio charts... Tell me Ali, what country are you in?
'Go Navy, Go Marines,'
We are agreed.
'I plan to buy up some ocean front property'
It's nice. Trust me.
'To 'U.S. GETTING BUTTS KICKED!!!', you've got some good points. '
LOL.... Idiots of a feather....
Great comments by all.
I know what precipitated the US/Iran hostage situation in 1979. Most Americans do not. It was the 1953 CIA backed coupe of the democratically elected government under Mossadegh. The US govt then installed the ruthless dictator Shah. It's a shame this is not common knowledge in the US.
The coupe was run by Kermit Roosevelt (in the CIA) and run from within the US Embassy in Iran. That is why the Iranians overtook the US Embassy in 1979. Folks, I'm not making it up. Do a google search. It's all true.
I dont condone what the Iranians did in 1979. In the end, it hurt relations between the people of both countries. But, the cause was in fact the CIA backed coupe in 1953. Up until that point, Iranians had a high respect for the US government.
I think most Iranians want peace, as most people in the world do. But, the leaders keep up the rhetoric. Ahmadinejad is nothing more than a right wing response to an ultra right wing US foreign policy.
Ok, back to making money...what's my favorite energy play....
Comical Ali
To Denny
No, Iran's oil production has in fact peaked. It peaked in the 1980's as a matter of fact. Iran's oil exports will actually end in less than 10 years as production levels decline and internal demands build. You can now see why they want nuclear power. Perhaps wind and solar would be 'safer' energy, but, pound for pound, you cant due much better than nuclear energy. Just ask the Chinese, Indians, and Pakinstanies.
As for refining capacity, the US is the country without enough refining capacity, although Iran may be deficient as well. The US now imports 10 percent of it's gasoline. This was unheard of even 5 years ago. And no, there are no plans to build any new refineries in the US. But there are plans for refineries in China and India. Did you notice how gasoline prices have recently risen to about $2.65 per gallon. That's no miracle. It's simply an increase in gasoline demand and lack of refining capacity.
Good try, though.
Comical Ali
'...I do love making money, I'll admit that! '
You seem to think that I would have a problem with that. None of this has anything to do with getting Iran to free its hostages.
'There's nothing I can do to stop the Bush war/lie machine, nor can millions of demonstrators around the world'
Maybe you haven't constructed a big enough paper mache puppet, or a big enough 'Bush Hitlerburton' sign... Surely people would pay more attention to you then...
'As for Peak Oil. Yes, in fact it is true. '
There is enough oil in the continental USA to last for the next 100 years , even adjusted for increased consumption. That is according to the Rand institute. That isn't even going off shore. None of which has anything to do with stopping Iran from getting a doomsday device.
'You can blab and complain. But, I recommend doing research on the subject, and protecting yourself financially.'
I think Ill be ok, thank you for your concern, but None of this has anything to do with getting Iran to free its hostages.
'Almost NO effort has been made in energy conservation in the US. But, the war machine keeps moving on.'
AAAh, So that is why we are fighting Islamic terrorism. I thought it was because they were attacking humanity. If we were after oil why haven't we unilaterally stopped the genocide in Sudan? Where are your cries of 'no blood for oil' when it is China that is profiting from the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Muslims by Muslims?
'Now, let's turn to the UK. They relied heavily on North Sea production. Up until about 3-4 years ago, the UK was a net exporter of oil.'
So that's why Iran took their sailors hostage... It makes perfect sense.
'The North Sea has in fact peaked in the the late 1990's. Now the UK is like the US, a slave to oil producing nations. '
So if the UK buys something from someone that makes them a slave? Not really the case, now is it? None of which has anything to do with stopping Iran from getting a doomsday device.
'But, if you're not protected from the energy problem and devaluing of the US dollar, you're likely to be working like the poor Mexicans in the decade to come.'
LOL... Thank you for your concern... Our economy by any measure is better off then yours. Why don't you fix yourself first.
'We'll see who's lauging in 10 years - an it will be me buying up ocean front property in the US!'
Not mine.
There were comments on per capita gains, blah blah, with respect to the US and China.
Let me repeat: The US is a net debtor nation. Thus, on a per-captita basis, the US is negative. On a per-capita basis China is positive. The math is simple. The US imports more than it exports, AND, borrows more money each year to do it!
Is China really that reliant on the US? Hmmm, maybe at this point in time, but, time will tell. Right now they are not ready to unleash the horded dollars - about $1 Trillion. Just to compare, the US account deficit is about $9 Trillion. Wow. And, it just keeps growing! The Chinese have no account deficit. It's a surplus.
When compared to GDP, US debt levels are in fact increasing. Do believe Kudlow. He's a moron.
In the end, the people in China are producing something. In the US there is no NET production, ie, net exports. Do the Chinese really need to come to the US to use their services - Hair Cuts, Tanning Salons, Restaurants, tax advice? I dont think so.
You're kidding if yourself if you think the war games in Iraq and Iran are about principles. They are about dollar hegemony and oil addiction - plain and simple.
My angle is to make money in the process. I vote with my dollar every day! Do you?
Comical Ali
'No, Iran's oil production has in fact peaked. It peaked in the 1980's as a matter of fact.'
Only because foreign investment and expertise ended after their 'revolution'
'Iran's oil exports will actually end in less than 10 years as production levels decline and internal demands build.'
Well, nonsense, but if that were the case it would be a good thing, they are a menace to humanity.
'You can now see why they want nuclear power.'
If this were about 'nuclear power' they would have accepted the light water reactors offered them. They would have also accepted the offer to have the Uranium enriched elsewhere. This is about a weapons program and you know it.
'Perhaps wind and solar would be 'safer' energy, but, pound for pound, you cant due much better than nuclear energy'
What does that have to do with enrichment to weapons grade levels? Why did the IAEA refer them to the security council? This is about bombs, not electricity.
'As for refining capacity, the US is the country without enough refining capacity'
Sure, So what does that have to do with the Iranians taking British hostages?
As for me making money on the war...folks, the soldiers have volunteered! At any point they can quit and not return (ie, refuse to fight). Nothing holds them there but their dedication to their fellow soldiers (from that angle, I commend them!).
Why would a person not see the trends based on all of Bush's lies and not position their portfolio accordingly? Makes sense to me. I dont agree with war and wont support it, but, I'll make a buck off it. And no, I dont hold defense companies like Ratheon and Lockhead Martin (although quite profitable). Just energy and precious metals.
Best Whishes,
Comical Ali
I love the comments! Thier great.
Yes, all my talk has everything to do with the British hostages. It's a front by both countries. Both want escalation of the conflict to raise oil prices. (Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?)
In the end, Iran could have taken the option to ignore the UK meddling. But, Iran did not. It's playing the 'game'. The US and Iran both need higher oil prices. The higher oil prices prop up the dollar and the increased revenues help Iran.
In the meantime, Iran will likely build the reactors.
By the way, Henry Kissinger (the devil himself) actually wanted Iran to build nuclear reactors when the Shah was in place. Hmm. What's changed. All that's changed is the puppet master (US) no longer has a puppet (Shah).
Comical Ali
(PS, the US oil production peaked in 1971, Alaska around 1985 or so. So, yes, the US has peaked and now imports 60 percent of its oil. OUCH, that's got to hurt! - Who luv's ya big daddy?)
'Let me repeat: The US is a net debtor nation. '
So is China, so is Canada, so is Germany, so are most countries in the world.
Lets say I made $1000 a year, and I wanted to buy a house for $600. If I took out a loan to pay it off over 4 years would I be broke?
'Is China really that reliant on the US? Hmmm, maybe at this point in time, but, time will tell. Right now they are not ready to unleash the horded dollars - about $1 Trillion.'
You have tried this nonsense before, it was BS then and it is BS now. Chinas currency is pegged to ours. If ours drops theirs drops. If they un peg it theirs will rise in proportion and kill their exports. If they cause a run on our currency (they couldn't even if they wanted to) it would throw them into recession. All this has been thought out.
'When compared to GDP, US debt levels are in fact increasing.'
Yes, congress needs to control spending. They waste too much money. (come at me with the 'it's all wasted spending on wars argument,' I am ready.)
'In the US there is no NET production, ie, net exports.'
None at all eh... You are confusing 'manufacturing' with 'producing'. Either way, we still do both here, thank you very much.
'You're kidding if yourself if you think the war games in Iraq and Iran are about principles.'
You are kidding yourself if you think it is solely about oil. If it were we would just let the SOB's kill off each other and buy their oil anyway. Like China does with the Sudan.
' They are about dollar hegemony and oil addiction - plain and simple.'
Dollar hegemony hasn't been an issue since the '80s.
'My angle is to make money in the process.'
Godspeed. You will soon be parted, Ill bet.
'I vote with my dollar every day! Do you?'
:-D
I'm not totally convinced the reactors are for weapons. It's tough to tell what's actually going on since the US Media is the lap dog for Bush.
Wind and solar would have been alternatives to nuclear, but, as I said, they dont produce as much energy as nuclear power.
Some good points were raised in your comments, however. Why didnt Iran offer transparency with respect to the reactors? Again, it's tough to know for sure. The US govt has been pushing hard to increase the conflict there, just as they did prior to Iraq (remember the Axis of Evil comments?). By the way, how many WMD's have been found in Iraq? Oh, cat got the tongue now? Hmm.
I truly think both countries are bidding up the price of oil for earlier stated reasons. The capture of British sailors is just a small piece on the Chess board.
Also, Israel is a leading nuclear power right at the doorsteps of Iran. How would the world (US and UK) reacted if Iran flew jets into Israel to blow up their nuclear weapons like Israel threatens Iran? Plus, Pakistan borders Afghanistan and harbours Bin Laden. But, Pakistan has nuclear weapons? Hmmm. A little inconsistency, no?
Comical Ali
You're nuts!
China and Canada are not debtor nations. Both have a net surplus of trade. Where are you getting your information, from Fox News or Kudlow? Pllllleeeease.
Plus, Canada sits on a ton of resources! Given a choice of investing in Canada or US, I'd take Canada hands down. Same is true with China vs US.
This is actually funny. I have to laugh on this one. You are in FACT wrong. The US is, however, a debtor nation! Last I checked the powerful US economy was running an account deficit AND trade deficit. That smells like debtor nation to me! Ha ha. The US has to actually borrow money every day to keep the GDP going! Ha ha ha ha. What a joke.
My question is, why do you want to be a part of the debt? Why not become part of the profit? See things as they actually are, not as you wish them to be.
Comical Ali
'Yes, all my talk has everything to do with the British hostages. It's a front by both countries. Both want escalation of the conflict to raise oil prices.'
So here we go, back to the idiotic conspiracy theories. How did the British make the Iranians tale their sailors hostage? This makes about as much sense as anything else you have blathered on about here.
' But, Iran did not. It's playing the 'game'. '
Well, then their prize should be a B-52 strike! Look what you have won Ayatollahs!
'In the meantime, Iran will likely build the reactors'
And we will ship more bunker busters to Israel. (Look, my stock just went up!)
' Hmm. What's changed. All that's changed is the puppet master (US) no longer has a puppet (Shah).'
Oh, a coup by a bunch of frenzied, theocratic, unelected, totalitarian, thuggish, homicidal mullahs who have devolved Iran into the number 1 state sponsor of terrorism. That's all.
' So, yes, the US has peaked and now imports 60 percent of its oil. '
Go read the Rand report instead of parroting what you hear on your conspiracy websites.
@ comical ali ..
so America is doing fine eh?
Tell me .. I hear about all the homeless .. near on 40% of the Yanks cant afford health insurance .. the Katrina levees not yet fixed .. nearly 300,000 thousand displaced whilst the Armed Blackwater Mercenaries patrolled the streets.
How much more does one need? More Waco .. more Ruby Ridge .. more Gitmo .. more Abu Gharib to enforce the hegemony of Hallibum? How about expending some of the ill gotten gains on decent body armour for the ones that are doing the killing and dying .. or is that taking charity too far? .. should we continue to force the taxpayer to subsidize the murderous corporations?
As I have previously said .. A loaf of bread .. a loaf of bread .. how many Americans do not have one .. how many are now sleeping in 1980 Hondas and Toyotas after the shareholders foreclosed on their mortgages?
Nothing has changed and a new recession for America is looming.
'I'm not totally convinced the reactors are for weapons. It's tough to tell what's actually going on since the US Media is the lap dog for Bush.
'
That is because you are brain dead.
'Why didnt Iran offer transparency with respect to the reactors? Again, it's tough to know for sure.'
Gee, thanks for supporting my point.
'By the way, how many WMD's have been found in Iraq? Oh, cat got the tongue now? Hmm.
'
Plenty. They blow themselves up on a daily basis. The Iraqui government hung the biggest WMD a few months ago.
'I truly think both countries are bidding up the price of oil for earlier stated reasons. '
That is because you are a conspiracist. It is paranoia. We have been over this a dozen times. You are a textbook example.
' The capture of British sailors is just a small piece on the Chess board.'
Why not just constrict output? Wouldn't that be a bit easier then all this? They have OPEC but Iran hasn't been lobbying for output cuts. Just Venezuela.
'Also, Israel is a leading nuclear power right at the doorsteps of Iran.'
It always gets back to that, doesn't it? Your hate for the Israelis. Such a sound investment stratigy... LOL
Ivor - Agreed. Great comments! Guns and war dont feed people. Actually, just the opposite.
As all this banter goes back and forth, the facts are quite revealing. In fact, the US is not feading its people as Ivor stated. Very good. It's a sad reality. (War is peace...war is peace, keep repeating it and maybe it will come true...)
Lots of laughs on the earlier comment of sending more bunker busters to Israel! Very good. That's the game, my man, that's the game. You hit it on the head. And both countries, Iran and US, are bidding up the oil prices! Ha ha ha. And you pay the price at the pump and at Walmart! As the dollar weakens, prices at Walmart will sky-rocket. You go boy!
The US has the strongest military might, hands down, HANDS DOWN. Everyone knows this. But, it's running the country broke in the process! Ha ha ha. Go send in the Marines and Navy and support the US/Israel military complex. I'll be making the money on energy and gold stocks!
If the US escalates this war in Iran, the dollar will tumble and oil will rocket. That's a fact my man. YOU will pay the price in your pocket. I will make tons on my investments.
Bring it on, baby!
Comical Ali
'They blow themselves up every day' - ha ha ha. Great comment! The weapons they're using as improvised explosive devices are in fact US military weapons that didnt explode! Funny how the media never mentions this. But, in the end, they did explode, just not on innocent Iraqi civillians! Truly a good one! I commend thee.
Comical Ali
'China and Canada are not debtor nations. '
Debt /GDP percentage:
Canada 65.40 2006 est.
China 22.10 2006 est.
So I guess you don't know what you are talking about then...
'Plus, Canada sits on a ton of resources! Given a choice of investing in Canada or US, I'd take Canada hands down. Same is true with China vs US.'
It's your money. Read NAFTA first.
'You are in FACT wrong.'
I just posted the debt loads of the 2 countries. YOU ARE IN FACT WRONG.
'Last I checked the powerful US economy was running an account deficit AND trade deficit. '
If you are generating more income, you can spend more. (How can you not get this)
'My question is, why do you want to be a part of the debt? Why not become part of the profit?'
Like most things that come out of your mind, it is a stupid question. Of course we would like Zero debt and all profit. Reality doesn't work that way. Not for anyone who is building anything of importance. If you are going to build a house, you are going to have to borrow... Same with a country. You then work to pay off the debt.
Boy, so many split personalities here....
And..as for Conspiracy Theory. What planet do you live on. Cant you hear with your ears all the lies of the Bush Administration? Plllllease! They've lied since day one. And they keep on lying. At what point do you recognize this? Hmmm.
It's no conspiracy at all. The powers that be want oil prices up. Think of it from the other angle. If oil prices drop, the US dollar drops with it! It's truly a disfunctional relationship. But it worked after the US broke the gold standard in the early 1970's. Funny how oil escalated in price just as oil became only tradeable in dollars. Hmmm. Conspiracy. Ha, fact.
Great comments by all! Wish you all the best!
And for those reading, please do your own research on Peak Oil and Dollar Hegemony. Decide for yourself. To me, it IS for real. You can use this information to protect your assets in the years to come. I'm already doing it and it's paying large dividends. Be part of the smart money, not the dumb money.
Best to All,
Comical Ali
OK OK OK reality is setting in. 14 beheadings and 1 stoning to soon come. God bless the hostages, I pray the Britts are not following Jimmy Carters footsteps and act fast. for the firsgt week diplomacy, 2nd week engagement in the area, 3rd week the sands of iran turns to glass.
'The weapons they're using as improvised explosive devices are in fact US military weapons that didnt explode!'
Another completely made up 'fact' eh?
Gee, they look like they were predominately Iraqui army ordanence left over from Saddam. That and the stuff Iran has shipped them to kill our soldiers. Yet another reason to deal with Iran.
'But, in the end, they did explode, just not on innocent Iraqi civillians! Truly a good one! I commend thee.'
Not the first time you have celebrated the deaths of American and British soldiers here.
...one last comment. I dont think holding debt makes you a NET debtor nation. It's when you have more debt than you can repay! Clearly the US is in this bucket and Canada and China are not. But, good try. I respect that!
Here's a little bit of info to boot: The US account deficit is roughly $9 Trillion (yes, this true). That's about $30,000 for every living breathing US citizen. Ok, but, what happens when you add in Social Security and Medicare oblications!? It goes up to $50 Trillion! Wow, that's a wholliping $166,666 per living breathing person in the US! Hmm. Smells like debtor nation to me!
Now you can see why the US govt is so concerned with propping up the dollar. Trust me, it's in free fall as we speak. It will continue as central banks of the world run for the exit door.
So, yes, in the end, the Iran/UK current 'kidnapping' situation is more about global hegemony and nothing else. Watch it play out. It should be real good.
Best to All,
Comical Ali (Great name!)
'And..as for Conspiracy Theory. What planet do you live on. Cant you hear with your ears all the lies of the Bush Administration? Plllllease! They've lied since day one. And they keep on lying. At what point do you recognize this? Hmmm.'
So I guess the Iranians didn't take British sailors hostage then... Or it was at the insistence of the Zionist neocons you blame for everything, eh? No one else on the planet is responsible for anything other then them.
'It's no conspiracy at all. The powers that be want oil prices up'
Who are these 'powers that be'?
'If oil prices drop, the US dollar drops with it!'
Usually the exact opposite of reality. Even if it were the fact, a dropping dollar would decrease imports and increase exports and close that deficit that you keep railing on about. As usual you do not make the slightest bit of sense.
'But it worked after the US broke the gold standard in the early 1970's.'
One has nothing to do with the other.
'Funny how oil escalated in price just as oil became only tradeable in dollars. Hmmm. Conspiracy. Ha, fact.'
Well gee, I thought it was peek oil a few minutes ago, now it is the gold standard... Good lord, you are just tossing nonsense out to see what sticks. You are grasping at straws and you obviously do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
'And for those reading, please do your own research on Peak Oil and Dollar Hegemony. Decide for yourself. To me, it IS for real.'
Agreed! Just don't seize on the first few moonbat links you come across. There is a lot of Nonsense on the internet and this fellow loves to regurgitate it.
'Best to All,'
Bye Bye
Boom Boom Out Go The Lights...
' I dont think holding debt makes you a NET debtor nation. It's when you have more debt than you can repay!'
Well that is not what you said. Regardless, I posted the ratios of debt to GDP and ours compared favorably to Canada's. The country that you said you were mad about investing in a while ago. Again, you do not know what you are talking about.
'Clearly the US is in this bucket and Canada and China are not. But, good try. I respect that!'
US debt to gdp/debt ratio is LESS then Canada's. SAY IT over and over until it clicks in your brain. WE OWE LESS MONEY COMPARED TO OUR GDP THEN CANADA DOES. SAY IT until you understand. That is just a fact.
'Ok, but, what happens when you add in Social Security and Medicare oblications!? It goes up to $50 Trillion!'
The 9 trillion includes entitlements... AGAIN, you do not know what you are talking about. That '50 trillion you cite is ALL debt held by Americans. Home loans, ect. That is not public debt, that is private debt. It is outright lying to say the USA is broke because people own their own houses. That is an indication of strength, not weakness.
'Hmm. Smells like debtor nation to me!'
Man, I would just love to do business with someone so naive yet full of themselves. You are a born rube.
'Now you can see why the US govt is so concerned with propping up the dollar. '
You are thinking of the Euro. Again, if the US dollar drops compared with.. Jeez, Ill just cuit and paste at this point: A dropping dollar would decrease imports and increase exports and close that deficit that you keep railing on about. As usual you do not make the slightest bit of sense.
...like most successful enterprises. I'm not sure what this has to do with iranian hostages, but we are making tax revenue like it's coming from heaven.
Ivor-
Is your name really nathan? You and the other commies need to be reminded that iran has taken hostages again. Remember the Belarus debacle where your govt went and killed the innocents. iran is far from innocent and deserves the respect it will get...NONE
To everyone, excellent comments and discussion. I'm facinated with all view points. Which leads me to ask the following questions:
1. Which nation (Or entity) is currently benefiting the most from the conflicts in the middle east? (My personal feeling would either be China or world-wide defense contractors)
2. What is the point of having a huge conventional military? (I think that Afghanastan (vs the Russians) officially ended conventional wars. What's the point of building a 2 million dollar tank that can be destroyed by a few thousand dollar RPG? Same goes for most aircraft.)
3. It is my personal belief (I am an American) that we cannot win in the middle east, no matter how much money, military presence, and other efforts we concentrate in the area. You cannot kill a belief with bombs. However which would be better: Pulling out immediately or pulling out gradually (and if so over what period of time)? (Also if you feel that we can win I would like to hear how)
4. How long until China overtakes the USA?
And as a little joke:
Bombing for peace is like screwing for virgintiy
Cell Phone .. I was in Baghdad while you were still in Dads Bag .. I am a native born Brit .. I have also served in the Colonial outposts in sensitive border areas to protect the Oil Refinery and the pipe lines .. it was there that I finally woke up to what a bestial sham the whole rotten business is .. no modern army and that includes the false flag merchants .. like rangers, seals and SAS can hope to prevail against patriotic militias.
Commies? what is that supposed to mean? America just like Britain is a failed experiment in Freedom and Democracy stakes .. coz they aint got any .. Bush sure shit all over Posse comitatus .. martial law next .. then the imposition of the Fascist Dictatorship .. but never mind the free world will bail you all out
Well if you are into the mad bestiality .. pick up the gun .. get your ass into gear and go join the rest of the Halliburton slaughtered lambs .. What a bunch of poncers .. they cant even run their own nations .. just look at the Ghettos and the homeless and the size of the Prison population .. Look at Gitmo probably modeled on Federal Prisons .. you guys could not run a piss up in a brewery ..
Ya had your chances with the Constitution .. failed miserably .. the major American export is Corporate led wars of agression .. that awful blood soaked road leading through the Carribean .. South America and the Middle and Far east .. and my Nation is no better .. Afghanistan .. Rofl ..the Brits are taking it up the Khyber once again.
Shivers ..
'1. Which nation (Or entity) is currently benefiting the most from the conflicts in the middle east? (My personal feeling would either be China or world-wide defense contractors)'
Short and shitty .. Israel the bastard entity .. It is the Israelis who are pushing America into a confrontation with Iran which will set the whole world aflame.
It is quite apparent to me that many who have posted in this thread have never experienced combat. They seem to think its a Video game. The road for those who the Iranians have detained .. leads all the way back to 1948.
Everyone, 'Ivor' is a lying bigot. His antisemitism here is legendary. Give him a bit of attention and he will go on for 50 pages about how the Jews are at fault for everything under the sun and the holocaust was a hoax. He has more pseudonyms and split personalities then the schizophrenic ward at the mental hospital, which is where he belongs.
AH yes I see that Zionisti the masked wonder is back .. how ya doing shit head?
My anti-semetism is legendary eh? well if I support the Palestinians against the Jews .. irrespective of what the Jews did in 1948 .. I cannot be anti-semetic can I?
The Israeli lies are unravelling faster than a kittens ball of wool .. Ilan Pappe the distinguished Jewish Historian has got hold of all the relevant documents from 1948 .. the Jews Ethnically cleansed Palestine .. leaving just a few refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza and still the murderous untermensch continue to try to exterminate the children ..
The videos are all over U tube and else where on the net .. the Heroic and Moral IDF shooting little kids in the head .. and the Jewish settlers who have moved further into the West Bank taking over Palestinian properties and stoning the Palestinian kids on the way to school .. Oh and I must mention Rachel Corrie the Christian peace worker who was ran over twice by an Israeli bulldozer .. first when the heroic IDF driver ran her down and second when he backed up over her to make sure she was dead .. its on the net .. Google it.
Israel is the one that is pushing the confrontation with Iran. If she does .. Zionisti meat head .. get this straight .. Israel is finished .. another murderous failed experiment .. which will give birth to a free Palestine for the first time in 59 years.
Because when those nukes start popping .. there aint no escape for anyone .. and when that realisation sinks in .. then the Zionists and all of the crooks in the corridors of power are Crow bait!
There it is, Pretty emblematic of the mindset that wants to appease Iran. It's OK for Iran to take British hostages because of his hate for the Jews.
Ahhhhhh Somebody give Ivor a baby bottle, and a bar of soap! A baby bottle to signify your infantile mind, and a bar of soap to wash out your mouth! What we have here folks, is the long lost missing link. You know, the ape like creature that tries to articulate, but fails miserably. Whoa, Ivor! Try to understand, that the banana goes into the OTHER hole! By all means, keep providing all of us entertained with your stupidity. We all need a good laugh! HA HA HA
Bottom line:
The last actual war that Iran was involved in, less than 20 years ago, was imposed on it without provocation by Iraq, backed by the United States. The situation was virtually identical (in terms of international law) to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, in 1990, only in those days, Saddam Hussein was an acceptable 'ally' of the U.S. (lol)
It doesn't matter how insane or corrupt the Iranian leader is; under the circumstances, with the world's only superpower possessing the world's largest nuclear arsenel (and rapidly persuing first-strike doctrines and technologies); generally doing whatever it wants regardless of international law or opinion...AND camped in force next door spouting years of provocative anti-Iranian hyperbole...it would be irresponsible for him as leader to leave Iran without a military deterrent.
In the current political climate, that deterrant could only be nuclear.
Besides, history proves that technological monopolies never remain for long, and it's completely futile to try to keep certain specific nations from developing technologies that others possess, and ridiculous to expect them not to try to acquire them.
As for invading Iran 'by whatever means necessary': Good luck with that. (lol)
Iran is bigger, more populous, less geographically hospitable, more nationalistic, more culturally and ethnically cohesive than Iraq, and unlike Iraq, apparently, nuclear armed. lol
If I were them, I'd finish cleaning up their current messes before starting any new ones. (Another 5-10 years, and they'll be finished with Iraq; then maybe they 'll be ready for a REAL war).
placidguyMar 25th, 2007 - 15:55:29
Sounds like the UK was up to covert stuff. Who know's, I have a hard time
believing what the Bush people say.
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