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bush's war needs to be stopped.
impeach him. pull the funding bring the troops home. this is not a war for freedom, democracy or standing up to a threat to the world.
they deserve better then being over worked, put in harms way for nothing but ego and pride. these men and women are our hero's they have done what was asked of them. we should do them justice, bring them home and take care of them. support the troops and bring them back home ALIVE.
Iraq 'success' possible without end to violence, Bush says
this is totally true--these morons have been killing each other for centuries...but the success is having them reduce the muslim population by about 85% thru 'self genocides'
allah akbar
ha ha ha
Bush is worried about congress infringing on his powers. But recently he was looking for a 'was czar' to whom he could cede his power.
The United States was created by men who believed that the process of reaching consensus could keep us free from tyranny. That is why they gave congress, a group of people, the power to constrain the president. This is their duty. The previous congress neglected their duty, and have allowed this president to function as a tyrant. This congress is only little better, but they at least have demonstrated that they have the will to shoulder their responsibility.
I have a solution for Bush's problem: impeach him. Removing him from office will allow him to spend the rest of his life explaining to all who will listen that he was just about to win the war when he was thwarted. That will make him happy. The rest of us can then be happy about having finally held this petty tyrant accountable for at least some of his high crimes and misdemeanors.
So now, Mr. Bush has lower the bar for US success in Iraq. I am curious what an acceptable level of violence will be.
This guy is simply trying to pass the problem he created on to the next President, without trying to look like he gave in to the pressure.
Thinking about this guy simply upset me, to say the least. Lord have mercy on the souls of all the dead soldiers and Iraqis, and the ones that will still die before someone finally bring them home.
Bush put the troops in Iraq in the first place. He started an immoral, illegal and unnecessary war--ignoring world opinion, and UN inspectors. He (and especially Cheney) created the lies that enabled Congress to vote him unprecedented powers to wage the war. Bush never had any exit strategy, and keeps extending tours of an over-used National Guard. He reduces the benefits of veterans, and allows shamefully inadequate health care for them.
NOW HE BLAMES CONGRESS FOR NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS!
What is wrong with this picture?
Nothing. That is, as long as those oil leases are in place!
All discussion of The Iraq War must include its illegality, and oil leases
Otherwise it is smoke and mirrors.
After seeing this news story one thing stands clear:
George W. Bush couldn't make change for a dollar - he is that stupid.
Republicans should be ashamed. If not, they're as delousional as Mr. Bush is.
bush got into this mess against his father's best advice. But the filthy demoncraps who are willing to sell America down the drain for partisan politics are an order of magnitude worse than bush.
The US troops should only return when the Iraqi govt tells them they should return. Until then the US and British troops should stay in Iraq and try to fix the mess that WE the American people sent our troops there to create. WE the American people have lost the right to cry foul when, drunk with power and arrogance and armed with the ability to 'shock and awe', WE the people had our troops sent there. A full 76% supported the Iraq war when it started. And no, the 'lies' of the administration about Iraq and the WMDs are not new - they were known back then too. Now lets foot the bill and the losses and take responsibility for our actions.
this is the funniest article i have ever read that was not a joke. when the dookie hits the fan, at least we can laugh at where the crap lands.
If there's ever a time in US history that an impeachment would be appropriate. This is the time. The Congress need to get aggressive with this guy and let him know that enough is enough. In his eyes the Mission was Accomplished 4 years ago. We have been lead astray by this administration so many times, it's ridiculous. 19 more months, all of these will be someone else's problem.
America and the world should not forgive him, including the idiots that voted to authorize the war.
defending this 'war' in any way is laughable. our troops are heroic for doing
their duty in spite of the obvious. it`s not only pointless but actually
counter-productive.
bush is an asshole that needs to be impeached
Acceptable levels of violence?
What exactly is it?
A 100 deaths a day?
And we mourn the 32 in Virginia tech while hundreds die everyday in Iraq
Bush is a criminal. I wonder how he can sleep having been the cause of so many deaths.
And it was all lies.
Ace, where do you come up with 100's of deaths a day? Maybe from the Iraqis killing each other, but not the U.S. doing it. There are no good Iraqis so the higher their death count the better. Only American casualties are worth counting.
FAST FORWARD
God forbid, there be another terrorist strike. Nobody wants that to happen. Least of all me. But just in case this Bush administration is planning a bunch of fake terror scares to drum up support for this ridiculous war effort in Iraq, I have decided to give my opinion about it.
The first thing that this Bush administration would say in the case of an attack is:
' We told you so, if you remove funding for the war, this happens. '
HOGWASH. ALL A STRIKE WOULD PROVE, IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT BEEN DOING THE JOB OF PROTECTION AGAINST SUCH THINGS. IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AT ALL, THEY WOULD NOT LET 5 MILLION UNKNOWN PEOPLE COME ACROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY EACH YEAR. FURTHERMORE, ACCORDING TO SEVERAL SOURCES, PREPAREDNESS FOR DISASTERS IS STILL QUITE INSUFFICIENT. THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED MISERABLY. IF THE CONNECTION IS MADE WITH IRAQ , ALL THAT SHOWS IS THAT THE WAR HAS FOSTERED TERRORISM AND HELPED IT TO GROW, RATHER THAN ERADICATING IT.
SO LETS GET THIS STRAIT :
PROTECTION AGAINST TERROR STRIKES ... FAILURE
PREPAREDNESS FOR DISASTERS ... FAILURE
DIMINISHING THE RISK OF A TERRORIST ATTACK ...FAILURE
Watching the mishandled Katrina situation, has given us a glimpse of the type of mismanaged effort we might see. The lack of planning will probably result in the loss of more lives. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
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6). www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1013-05.htm Statements from Hans Blix
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Lets face it. At the risk of stereotyping, Texans are not renowned for their wisdom. They are known as bullies. It's cultural. When Al Qaeda struck on 9/11 it knew it would be a Brain v Brawn battle. Bush was the perfect President to show Al Qaeda was right in their assessment of him from the start. Bush the bully continues his poor performance and is desperately in need of uncommon wisdom which he will only find if he listens to the common people.
I can't even speak to the ignorance above, 'only American casualties are worth counting?' Come on, keep your bigotry to yourself. No rational person would espouse such a belief.
Those of us with our eyes open have been calling this war for what it is from day one. Over 100,000 people took to the streets in San Francisco the day the bobms started falling, and 100,000 more in New York and DC. Finally, the representatives are heeding the call of the masses, put an end to this madness, bring our troops home. Bush refuses to listen to the people who he serves. When the leaders refuse to listen to those who they lead, it is time to overthrow them and redistribute the power. Fortunately, the great men who founded our nation crafted a method to do so: impeachment. It is time to use this constitutional tool.
Impeach Bush, Cheney and teh rest of the war mongers for high crimes and misdemeanors. Clinton was tried for lies about his personal life! How can we stand by and be lied to about matters that have resulted in the death of over 3,500 Americans (and, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's, who, by the way, do matter).
Mr. Bush claims that he sleeps well at night. If that is the case I suggest there is something wrong with his mental state. The situation in Iraq is only half Mr. Bushes fault. The other half belongs to the Voters who gave him another four years. Fool me once..............
Should we stay or should we go?? :P
First off, this war was illegal. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, did not have WMD's, and was a very little threat to our security. They had a tyrant for a leader and lots of oil, but there wasn't nearly as many violent deaths as there are now (at least since the 80's). Iraq was contained, and Saddam was loosing his mind. A lot of us knew the president was out for oil. Well, I sincerely doubt any amount of oil will fix the scars of this war, and how horribly our image has been damaged throughout the world.
I believe the dems are doing the right thing. However, I do believe we should fix what we ruined. Hopefully, new MRAP vehicles and improved body-armor coupled with a better strategy can make it leave-able. By setting timetables, the dems are letting the president know that we want out, we need out... and soon. BUT, for once, he is right that letting the enemy know when we will be leaving is an invitation to let Al Quaeda come in and topple the Iraqi govt.
Dealing with this president is unfortunately like dealing with an a-hole car salesman. The dems name their price, he names his, and so on until there is a compromise. Now that we at least have a system of checks and balances, I have faith that we can get out of this mess sooner than later. We may not 'win' the war, but we can at least shift our focus to Al Quaeda in an attempt to root them out. The sectarian violence should be left to the Iraqis to handle.
As far as impeachment, I say Cheney goes first since he's the evil one (come on, haliburton??). Bush is just the dumb one.
What I would like to see is a way to measurably determine success. There don't have to be hard deadlines. For example: 'we will secure xxxx neighborhood' .. this way we can measure our level of success.
I am not bigoted against Iraqis. I am just sick of arab nonsense in general.
'There are parts of our own country that have got a certain level of violence to it,'
There are parts of New York that have a certain level of violence. You cant stop people from being human.
'bush's war needs to be stopped.'
It is the United States war, the loss of which would be catastrophic for the USa and the Iraquis, as well as the world economy.
'impeach him. pull the funding bring the troops home. this is not a war for freedom, democracy or standing up to a threat to the world.'
Spare us your bumper sticker mentality.
unfortunately the democrats are playing the politics game at the cost of Iraqui and less importantly American occupiers lives.
They know that if they just hang on to this for another 19 months, winning the presidential ellection will be a walk over.
The children dying in their Iraqui beds and even the young armed american kids sent their by a tyrant deserve better than this.
Count the dead between now and the new democratic presidency and they are just as bad as bush and cheney for not using impeachment. The evidence for impeachment is staggering. He will go down in history beside hitler.
Iraq and september the eleventh 2001 have no connection even the enquiries have proved this. America is now the terrorist.
Yes, by lowering the senseless murder rate to pre Sadaam era numbers is a milestone; wherein, Iraqui's now have an Atmosphere to realistically determine their Destiny as a Lawful Government. Mission Acomplished! By capturing the figure head Sadaam who was a deteriment to Iraqui progress of evolving standards of decency our Mission was Acomplished.
Dealing with wanna be shot callers (foreign and domestic)that have crept out of the wood work to continue Sadaamism has been instructive. The level of stability we have managed to maintain by frankly identifying and removing those who would impede progress my well have reached a level where the Iraqui's with indirect Coalition assistance can achieve the credibility they will eventually have to earn.
As in all Human Advanacement endeavors, if you stay directly involved an hour too long or exit an hour early, the effort could be for naught.
Yes, we can take a few steps back; which, in effect would be a few steps forward. Make no mistake we are in a War on Terrorism on all fronts.
We will remain in the region as conditions dictate. It was four score and seven years for us to transition from a 'King' to taking a stand to preserve a Union.
The Union was more than a group of States; it was a Aspiriation that continues the evolve, that we are One Nation, One People under One G-d. This belief we have at our core and implement is foreign to those who suffer to this day under the 'King' (Dictator). These Terrorist who have introduced themselves to us have shown that they will stoop to any level. They have gotten the clear message; for a sureity, they will be identified and stopped any time in any place. Again, Mission Acomplished.
What I find absolutely paltry is the heated discussion about Bush’s intelligence. If he is as unintelligent has the democrats say he is, what does that say about their choice in candidates? Fact is we have a president that said he would find those responsible for 9/11 and continues to stand by his statement and not waver from that based on the surveys coming from the liberals.
Unfortunately, what America has continued to see is the lack of commitment and fortitude from the democrats. If they can’t get their way they cry foul. Here we are with their “new change” candidates saying one thing, “the war is wrong” when they originally voted for the war. Sounds like Kerry all over again.
Yes, by lowering the senseless murder rate to pre Sadaam era numbers is a milestone; wherein, Iraqui's now have an atmosphere to realistically determine their destiny as a lawful government. Mission acomplished! By capturing the figure head Sadaam who was a deteriment to Iraqui progress of evolving standards of decency our mission was acomplished.
Dealing with wanna be shot callers (foreign and domestic)that have crept out of the wood work to continue Sadaamism has been instructive. The level of stability we have managed to maintain by frankly identifying and removing those who would impede progress my well have reached a level where the Iraqui's with indirect coalition assistance can achieve the credibility they will eventually have to earn.
As in all human advanacement endeavors, if you stay directly involved an hour too long or exit an hour early, the effort could be for naught.
Yes, we can take a few steps back; which, in effect would be a few steps forward. Make no mistake we are in a war on terrorism on all fronts.
We will remain in the region as conditions dictate. It took four score and seven years for us to transition from a 'king' to taking a stand to preserve a union.
The union was more than a group of states; it is an aspiriation that continues the evolve, that we are one nation, one people under one G-d. This belief we have at our core and implement, is foreign to those who suffer to this day under the 'king' (dictator). These terrorist who have introduced themselves to us have shown that they will stoop to any level. They have gotten the clear message; for a sureity, they will be identified and stopped, any time, any place. Again, mission acomplished.
Yes, by lowering the senseless murder rate to pre Sadaam era numbers is a milestone; wherein, Iraqui's now have an atmosphere to realistically determine their destiny as a lawful government. Mission acomplished! By capturing the figure head Sadaam who was a deteriment to Iraqui progress of evolving standards of decency our mission was acomplished.
Dealing with wanna be shot callers (foreign and domestic)that have crept out of the wood work to continue Sadaamism has been instructive. The level of stability we have managed to maintain by frankly identifying and removing those who would impede progress my well have reached a level where the Iraqui's with indirect coalition assistance can achieve the credibility they will eventually have to earn.
As in all human advanacement endeavors, if you stay directly involved an hour too long or exit an hour early, the effort could be for naught.
Yes, we can take a few steps back; which, in effect would be a few steps forward. Make no mistake we are in a war on terrorism on all fronts.
We will remain in the region as conditions dictate. It took four score and seven years for us to transition from a 'king' to taking a stand to preserve a union.
The union was more than a group of states; it is an aspiriation that continues the evolve, that we are one nation, one people under one G-d. This belief we have at our core and implement, is foreign to those who suffer to this day under the 'king' (dictator). These terrorist who have introduced themselves to us have shown that they will stoop to any level. They have gotten the clear message; for a sureity, they will be identified and stopped, any time, any place. Again, mission acomplished.
9/11 as the catalyst that started the 'pre-emptive strike' policy. It began the 'axis of evil' jousting. Phrases like 'terrorists will not change our way of life' (try going through an airport or spilling flour on the way from the supermarket and ask the families of those dead brave soldiers) became as ludicrous as Bush himself. Following 9/11, the UN became a body to be obeyed but only when convenient to the US and a few of their allies. The war to remove non-existent WMDs was only made possible because of the propaganda of fear on the back of 9/11. Al Qaeda did not have a chance of taking hold in Iraq during the reign of Saddam Hussein because he was not the type to undermine his own power. American intervention against all reasonable warnings has changed all that. THE US LOST THE WAR THE DAY THEY ILLEGALLY ASSAILED IRAQ. Pride has always been US downfall. Pride has made the US as the only country to have used ALL kinds of WMDs. Yet, here's the irony, the US think they can use leaders to achieve their goals (they installed the Taliban and Saddam) but as we have seen it is they who are being manipulated.
'unfortunately the democrats are playing the politics game at the cost of Iraqui[sic] and less importantly American occupiers lives.'
Hey 'brian', you are a miserable, bigoted loser. I hope like hell you get yours soon you illiterate piece of crap.
'Iraq and september[sic] the eleventh 2001 have no connection even the enquiries[sic] have proved this.
We are fighting the same people who committed the 9/11 atrocity in Iraq, by their own admission you unbelievable fool.
'America is now the terrorist.'
You are an ignorant bastard who defends real terrorists on a daily basis. I wish I had you cornered you pussy.
Hey, weren't you on the Jerry Springer Show?
I hope that I am not once more naïve … but I cannot but salute President Bush for his vision, courage and determination…. As an Iraqi who once was not so convinced of the rationale of Iraq’s so called invasion, I can only now salute the president for his stand on Iraq.
We all agree that the sooner the US army leave Iraq the better. But this can only be done when Iraq can effectively govern itself. The stakes are high for Iraqis as much as for the region and the rest of the world.
to the american idiot who is afraid to use his own name.
Your neo-con war is lost. And the rest of the world is sick to death of you and yours. You cant even afford to buy freinds anymore.
A recent poll showed that you are the most hated race on earth. Hey I am proud to be Irish, Proud to be a socialist so realy and truely they wont upset me.
But do you know what Im most proud of.
That I piss off nazi terrorists like you.
Oh and by the way your connection between Iraq and 911 was only ever caused by america and was never their before you gullable twat.
When Washington D.C. was the murder capitol of the United States most affected were intercity poor black men often killed in drive-by shootings.It did'nt affect the politico's much accept as an embarresment.It seems most of the Iraqi war supporters are equally detached.It is my observation that both murder and poorly planned wars are a resault of a rush to judgement.Is there no shame?
Seems like the saner comments were made earlier in the day.
'brian
to the american[sic] idiot who is afraid to use his own name.'
Gee 'brian' whose wrist is so limp you can't even get the shift key down to capitalize it. It sure is courageous of you to post under your name... How many 'brians' are there out there?
'Your neo-con war is lost.'
Tell that to Saddam. Hope you see him soon you little bitch.
'and the rest of the world is sick to death of you and yours.'
You are a smug little turd from nowhere-ville, you are in no position to speak for 'the rest of the world' from your little crap hole.
'You cant even afford to buy freinds[sic] anymore.'
I could buy and sell you, of that you can be sure. Cheap.
'A recent poll showed that you are the most hated race on earth.'
That's great you disgusting racist little bigot. Any more fantasy polls? We do not need your approval you complete f-ing loser.
'Hey I am proud to be Irish,'
No wonder you identify with terrorists. Your terrorists lost too.
'Proud to be a socialist so realy[sic] and truely[sic] they wont upset me.'
Are you proud of being an absolute moron? Incapable of reasoning, working or rudimentary spelling?
'But do you know what Im[sic] most proud of.'
It certainly isn't your IQ.
'That I piss off nazi[sic] terrorists like you.'
LOL... The modern definition of a 'Nazi' is anyone who disagrees with an adolescent Trotskyite. You are the little clown who routinely sides with the modern day Nazis. As for pissing me off, knowing where you are going to end up as a result of your stupidity, rotten attitude, needy-ness, lack of common sense and your propensity to be lead around by your nose by your prejudices is enough to put a big grin on my face. You are headed right down the loser path.... Somewhere in that pimply little head of yours you know it is true. Your future is already done for... you heard it here 'brian'. Remember it.
'Oh and by the way your connection between Iraq and 911 was only ever caused by america[sic]'
That was the idea you idiot, you complete moron. To fight them there, not here. Now do you get it? Probably not.
Have fun with your wasted life of obscurity and frusteration in your irrelevant, 3rd world hole, 'brian'.
Bush has lowered his own standards; no mean feat when you're at minus-1.
Now there's violence in the U.S., and the trick is for Iraq to equal that??? Hey, we have actual police in the U.S., who don't align with one sect or the other.
Bush was stuck with the fact that a military 'victory' has been disavowed by his own Generals, who realize that the problem is political, rather than military. In a desperate attempt to divert back to a military solution, letting the failed Iraqi leadership off the hook, al Qaeda is now the declared problem, rather than the Shiite militia and native Sunni insurgency. The 'surge' was supposed to allow Iraq time for a political solution by reducing violence, at the expense of the lives of our own troops. That's not working, either, as we've spread our troops into smaller groups more widely spread, counting on the support of the Iraqi troops - and of course, thata's not working, either.
I think Bush is utterly irrational at this point, and the American people should not believe a word that he has to say. Bush cannot define 'victory', and instead lowers his standards, in hopes of a favorable comparison to the situation that he's actually dealing with. Meanwhile, the recent report on reconstruction indicates a total waste of U.S. taxpayer funds, and 2 million Iraqis have fled the country, and another 2 million are refugees within Iraq.
If this is 'success', I hope we never get to witness 'failure'.
''There are parts of our own country that have got a certain level of violence to it,' he told a Washington audience. 'But success is a level of violence where the people (in Iraq) feel comfortable about living their daily lives.''
What is incorrect about that statement?
Yet most people don't get past the title before they chyme in. 'Iraq 'success' possible without end to violence, Bush says'
And so the uninformed ranting goes on and on...
Where do we have 'a certain level of violence' comparable to Iraq???
We had one nut conduct a shooting of over 30 people, followed by days of news coverage! When did this become 'normal'???
Where do we have anything comparable to millions of refugees trying to escape violence? Katrina? That was nature at work, and Bush unable to deal with it.
Sheesh, the Bush nutcakes will excuse any idiotic utterance escaping his lips. That low IQ must be contagious.
The only problem I have with 'Bush' is that someone seems to have omitted the 'llit'.
Well, now he is backsliding - hopefully he will continue until he agrees it's best to bring the troops home. You can bet if he were up for election, that would happen in a heartbeat! I don't care if he is Republican or Democrat - the intelligence for leading this country is NOT there! He continues to fail to make us confident in anything he says or does.
I consider these remarks of Bush an insult to the American people, and to the Iraqis as well. If a Democrat uttered them, imagine the furor!!!
Is there a sectarian conflict in the U.S. I messed the news on? Are bombers blowing themselves up, or are IED's going off in Cleveland?
What the hell is this moron talking about???
If anyone was admitting 'defeat', it would be Bush, as he's stating that a level of violence is the norm, that no one in America would tolerate within our borders.
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