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Sunni faction alleges 350 dead in US military operation in Baquba
Jul 1, 2007, 12:43 GMT
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'The forces shelled these neighbourhoods with helicopters, destroying more than 150 houses and killing more than 350 citizens, their bodies still under wreckage, in addition to arresting scores of citizens,' the statement added
They termed the operations 'collective punishment'
Jenin anyone? Same sickening stench. No doubt patterned after the sub human filth called the jew. What disgusting animals all.
Well, I say better them than us. If we dont kill them first, they will try to kill us.
At 52 years old, I never would have thought Americans would be so eager to kill. I thought our elected officals where to uphold our constitution and govern our country and use the military options after all other options have not worked. Nor was Church and State supposed to ever be this close to one another, but with this current president the church is running the state
This war, and the Islamists concerted efforts to terrorize us, is the result of the wickedness of the people of the United States. If we would repent and turn to God, they would have no power over us.
'alleging that more than 350 people have been killed by a US military operation in Baquba to hunt down al-Qaeda-affiliated members.'
It is fun to make up numbers, isn't it? 350, 600,000, a bazillion.... These bastards are such liars....
americans monkeys you are monkeys you will stay...
nicly covered up by the 'London and glasgow terrorplot', nice timing US.
Zionazis at their last adventure
I believe the Iraqis are a stupid bunch of people. They got rid of Saddam, but embraced Bush with 'six hands', whose policies are worse than Saddam. While the carnage continues, many non-Iraqis are making money from the war. The Arabs have always been this way, greedy and dumb without a unifying denominator. That explains while every decade there is a major war in the M.E. They should wake up and end Bush's occupation of their country by unifying themselves, taking control of their oil wealth, throwing out these dubious contractors supporting the Bush administration - that way they can develop their country and have the wealth circulate in their economy than having it exported to the US , Australia, and England.
How many Iraqis have to die for George Bush's empire to be realized? This war is just a money making entity for the Bush administration's 'circle of great friends' while innocent American soldiers die and Iraqis civilians are slaughtered everyday.
Democracy cannot be imposed on a people. It never works. Somehow, it is my conviction that the Iraqis now believe, Saddam era was paradise on earth for them. Deep in their hearts, they must be regretting why they betrayed Saddam for they have never slept with their two eyes closed since the Americans landed.
' Democracy cannot be imposed on a people. It never works. '
Tell that to Germany and Japan.
The white house has been hijacked by the freemasons who want to control world resources at all costs while sacrificing american and iraqi blood for...
OIL : Operation Iraq Liberation
World War three has begun and the winner is ISLAM. May god bless us.
350 is nothing. If we were doing 'collective punishment' we would have used thermobaric weapons to raze all of Baquaba, and then monster bulldozers to plow the remains under. There would be 350,000 dead, not 350. These muslim scum exaggerate all too much. Perhaps at some point we need to get really 'Roman' with them and show them what killing really is.
'Whatever' and ill informed people like 'him' are the problem in this country. Hitler was elected to the Legislature originally. Germany was a REPUBLIC prior to WWII, as in democratic REPUBLIC. Get your facts straight and stop spreading ignorant lies, you do no one a service by lying. Finally, Japan still clings to it's Monarchy (King and Queen), as a American I find that an affront to Representaional Democracy. Finally, the level of fear coming from my fellow country men is distgusting. Do you live your life in fear or do you stand tall?
Alea iacta est
''Whatever' and ill informed people like 'him' are the problem in this country.'
Ok... that is the set up, then:
'Hitler was elected to the Legislature originally. '
WRONG, he was appointed by Hindenburg. The Nazis then used the Reichstag fire to give themselves special powers to end democracy in Germany.
' Germany was a REPUBLIC prior to WWII, as in democratic REPUBLIC.'
Eyerolls, the claim was that Democracy can not be imposed, the Nazi Germany was not a democratic country, idiot.
'Get your facts straight and stop spreading ignorant lies, you do no one a service by lying.'
LOL! You are provably wrong and hysterical about it. You funny little thing.
'Finally, Japan still clings to it's Monarchy (King and Queen)'
So does the UK.
' as a American I find that an affront to Representaional[sic] Democracy'
I am sure that the democracies of the United Kingdom, Japan, The Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Denmark, Spain, Luxembourg, Monaco, Liechtenstein and Sweden would all line up to tell you where you can shove your being 'affronted'. They all have an element of their monarchies in government, often more so then Japan.
'Finally, the level of fear coming from my fellow country men is distgusting[sic].'
Indeed, usually from the cut and run crowd.
'Do you live your life in fear or do you stand tall?'
I absolutely stand tall. I am about a quarter mile away from ground zero and I recognize that we are up against a legitimate threat. I have no tolerance for idiots who wish to deny that obvious fact. Nothing cowardly in seeing that there are miserable jihadists that need to be dealt with, in fact tit is a lot more courageous then burying your head in the sand.
The quality of politicians on the Sunni side is a real disappointment for people like me who felt all along that no community in Iraq should ever be marginalized again after the demise of the Saddam regime.
These Sunni politicians want exclusive hold of power as if it is god given and a forgone conclusion. When they fail in the ballot box and when they fail in taking up historical power sharing agreements offered by the Shia and Kurds, 80% of Iraq’s population, what else do they do? The simply resort to violence under the pretext of an insurgency fighting an American occupation. I doubt very much that there is anyone who believes this crap any more, not when their militias, such as the Islamic Army and 1920 Brigades, are now in open collaboration with the occupiers.
Of course many Sunni politicians including parliamentarians openly advocate violence and maintain their own small armies that have terrorized places such as the Adil, Jamiaa and Yarmouk districts displacing Shia through intimidation, murder and kidnap.
Now that they have grown in power and have the support of the Americans they do not need the backing and protection of their old allies the Qaeda.
Americans are fools, true fools to think or believe or trust these Sunni tribal forces. If any one is in doubt just read a bit of history of modern Mesopotamia to find how quick these tribes change allegiances betraying and stabbing their friends of yesterday.
'Surge' or 'Scorched Earth?' Plan A was 'war till the last drop.' Now we see that plan B is 'if we can't have it, nobody will.'
Just got back from my 16 months in Iraq. Let me say that this war is a crusade. Except todays motives are wealth and power, not religious in nature. You want stability with the Middle East -- dream on!....You want out of this mess, a mess that has been unfolding for hundreds of years; cut ties with Israel (usless ally anyhow!) and bring the troops home. Simple Watson....
We would be stupid and fools if not true clowns to think that Saddam was anything other then the creation of the CIA and an American stooge.
We would be double fools to not to think that Iran has an agenda in Iraq.
Of course greedy Arabs want to dip into the spoils of war. After all Jordan’s prosperity was built with Iraqi money flowing into Aqaba and Amman in the days of Saddam.
Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, the true grandfather and mentor of the Qaeda and an ugly instigator of Takfiri sectarianism has its hands painted red by Iraqi blood. The very same hands they use to shake their American protectors.
Believe you me, Iraqis are not fools and they know their foes and friends too well despite the fog.
'American fools, a view from inside Iraq'
HOW IS THAT OIL BILL COMING? Where are the Iraqi police forces? How many years do we have to wait for Iraqis to step up and help secure their freedom instead of expecting that it be made a present to them?
'We would be stupid and fools if not true clowns to think that Saddam was anything other then the creation of the CIA and an American stooge. '
LOL! You do love your conspiracy theories over there don't you?
'elieve you me, Iraqis are not fools and they know their foes and friends too well despite the fog. '
Yeah yeah, you hate the Saudis. I don't like them either. You have more pressing concerns though, time is running out and the next phase of your torment is going to be a Civil war and proxy war between Saudi Arabia/The UAE/ Jordon and Iran unless you can persuade your fellow Iraqis to get off their asses and help us out. If that happens you will long for the good old days of American occupation.
Many Iraqis feel that the US is about to make another U turn. Like in 1991 they will betray their supposed friends, the 80% of the population of Iraq, and create a military Sunni exclusive brutal regime. This regime that will win support and backing of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia will be created after butchering and subjugating at least the Shia Arabs. This will be done through arming factions such as the Islamic Army, 1920 Brigades, Omar Brigade and the like. This has been happening. Half of Baghdad which is out of control is in the hands of these thugs and this has been steadily created with the blessing and support of the US army.
I speak from the ground and my observations are a reflection of how ordinary people feel here in Baghdad.
See how stupid these Islamic people are,
They commit a heinous inhuman act, the perpetrators are caught or killed and the people who do the catching are considered the criminals. How sick is THAT?
IT IS ISLAMIC FUCKINGMENTALIST! No wonder they have failed as a people, society and as a race........What a mess they are; 5 centuries of schmutz......
The only thing they are half way good at is lying and destroying. I suppose when you have failed at all else and are jealous of everyone who hasn't failed: Out of frustration one would resort to LYING KILLING AND DESTROYING the ones that have succeeded.
PATHETIC actually.
What have they as a people brought to modern society? The CAR BOMBER that is a good one. The exploding belt. They also brought back the oldie BEHEADING Oh what a great list of accomplishments WHAT A WONDERFUL PEOPLE. If I were born a Muslim I would want to commit suicide as well.
Japan and germany are a whole different ball game than an arab muslim splintered state.Trying by force to impose democracy on Iraq will not stick.Tribal hatred is too strong and that was not a factor in germany or japan either.
Thats the short sighted mistake of the US,believing they can get the same result as with germany and japan,what works for one situation does not mean it will work for another situation.
When you take out an iron fisted dictator ,you have to consider why he was and when gone whats left to deal with.That was another short sighted mistake of the US invasion.I do not see how they are ever going to get the Iraqis to run after the doggy stick.Saddam kept a lid on it and now his removal has simply resulted in civil war.A lot of people dead and its passed its sell by date.
Not the best public relations exercise in democracy at all.If thats how you bring human rights to people by killing them and causing them to kill each other
Democracy is not some kind of lethal force dictatorship,the people have to want it,and if not get out of there and let them do it thier way.
As it is democracy has to function on firm and fair foundations and it never can with the unfair tribal customs ,especially in relation to the role of women.
I have never heard that Muslims smell.It would make sense if you ever kneeled to pray in a mosque and the guy kneeling in front of you didn't take a shower last week...Oh my would that be awful. The only thing worse would be a fat guy farting after every prayer...yikes that would be a religious ordeal. I would be MOVED for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all americans are fat bastards.
My husband is there doing the job as a soldier. He called last night weary and sad. He is in Baqubah. Unless you are there do not believe anything you read. My husband and his men tried to save a three year old little Iraqi girl who received shrapnel in her skull and brain. He called the insurgents 'evil' with much venom in his voice. They are not fighting Iraqi's, They are fighting Muslim extremists mostly from other countries such as Syria, Iran, ect. The Iraqi people just want the violence to end. There is a quiet movement among the native Iraqi people called 'unified Iraq', they wear necklaces in the shape of Iraq. They do not hate us, they just want their country back, back from Saddam, back from extremist Islamics, back from foreigners, all foreigners. And that is what the mission is.
Seems to me the apes and pigs are those who destroy God's creatures mindless of their right to be here, without thought to the innocent people like that little girl. Our soldiers practise restraint (rules of engagement) and do not kill intentionally the civilians in Iraq. Everyone was warned about the coming offensive. We have only good intentions through Bush's insistence on staying there. The people who hide behind women and children using them as shields and canon fodder are evil and are not of God, but of Satan who enjoys destruction of God's creation. There is room in the middle east for all peoples to find a way to tolerate each other and deal with conflict nonviolently but those who think they are doing God's work by killing themselves in crowded areas are only doing the Devil's work of destruction. They are deluded, lost souls who will perish in hell. God is a Creator not a Destructor. Our troops act defensively to bring peace to the area not to destroy Iraq but to build that country up in freedom and peace. Allah is disappointed today.
Any true artist in any genre can tell you that God (Allah) is an Artist. He continues to watch and wait for us to grow and develop into a masterpiece and yet we fail to reach that magnificence. Like any work of art, God's creation has taken on a life of its own.... not always in the direction of love, truth, beauty, harmony, which was the artist's intention. We have made choices.
All progress has been painted in human blood. From sea to shining sea. I hope and pray that we learn and outgrow our primitive thinking of fight or flight, and become the thoughtful,loving, creative, and intelligent beings we were meant to be...someday....until then war always war........................
'Many Iraqis feel that the US is about to make another U turn. '
How is that oil bill coming? How are the police and army doing? Not well, eh?
You are not leaving us a lot of options other then back tracking on democracy for stability.
'ike in 1991 they will betray their supposed friends, '
'Supposed' is right. Our 'supposed' friends assured us that Iraqis would be able to put together a democracy and help bring stability to the region. Our supposed friends were liars.
'This regime that will win support and backing of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia will be created after butchering and subjugating at least the Shia Arabs'
Instead of whining on the internet about it why are you not using your language skills to tell people that the window of opportunity is closing. The time to chose between authoritarianism and freedom is now. If they continue to sit on the fence and wait for one side to win they are going to be in for a long and bloody civil war.
'Half of Baghdad which is out of control is in the hands of these thugs and this has been steadily created with the blessing and support of the US army. '
Not from what I hear. It sounds to me like you are one of our 'supposed' friends. It is clear that you have an agenda. You should be more concerned about Americans pulling out then most. You need to be helping to put pressure on the government to make the necessary compromises that are required to stave off the American withdrawal. We are there to give you an opportunity, not do everything for you. The opportunity is going away.
'I speak from the ground and my observations are a reflection of how ordinary people feel here in Baghdad. '
Take a look around these forums. Ordinary people here are sick to death with the lack of progress and determination they see coming out of Iraq. Especially from our 'supposed' friends there.
Thanks Danielle, to you and your husband. I pray that he returns soon and safely and that you two have all the happiness in the world.
My agenda and that of most Iraqis is to reclaim some degree of normal life that have been lost in the midst of blood, murder, bombings, sanctions, misery, fleeing, uprooting, lost childhoods and the list is endless.
My agenda is to go back to my lost home in a neighborhood that is controlled by thugs who have evicted us and tens of other families, from homes that we have owned for tens of years.
Do you why I lost my home? Because the US army chose to look the other side while insurgents, from the Qaeda and its offshoots, were gradually taking over killing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with politics or sectarianism.
I was a staunch supporter of the Surge hoping that the Americans will do right what they failed to do in the first place. I gave the US army the benefit of the doubt.
On this forum I argued supporting the surge.
Now the surge has not delivered my home or my life back. Do you know why? Because now the US officially endorsed that rule of the Islamic Army and the 1920 brigades in the neighborhood.
In other words, Sir, the US army is now supporting the thugs that kidnapped me and evicted me and dozens of other families from our homes for no reason other then being of the wrong sect.
Let me add the thugs are not the neighbors. The neighbors are good honest ordinary folk.
The funny irony is that these thugs who are the new friends of the US army now accused me of being a collaborator!!?
Democracy wasn't 'new' to either Germany or Japan. Before WWII both were taken over by totalitarian governments with military ambitions.
The occupation was also helped in that the USA had 4.8 MILLION troops to keep order in 1945, not to mention that neither Germany nor Japan had such huge religious and ethnic divides of Iraq.
Its unfortunate that the USA has become the new USSR. Of course look at the origin of the Neocons...they are Russian Trotskyite jews. No wonder they are big fans of Soviet style interventionism! People didn't hate the Soviets because of religion, politics, or way of live. They hated them because the USSR was busy overthrowing governments, installing puppet governments, and oppressing popular support for opposition parties. If you look at what the Soviets did in Afghanistan, its identical to what the USA is doing now. They built schools, they pushed the Afghans to their style of life, they made women equal to men, they tried to rebuild their infrastructure, they supported the puppet government of Najiboullah and of course they occupied the nation for 8 years. The USA is no different in that regards, except perhaps of oil pipeline ambitions. The Soviets always had oil, they weren't too concerned about pipelines and oilfields.
...eh!? What are the signs?
Dead folk
Guns
Shooting
Uniforms
Angry Towelheads
...yep...It's war!
'Now the surge has not delivered my home or my life back'
We know, we know, why haven't you called the Iraqi police and if you have why haven't they done anything? I find it hard to believe that the US Army has condoned the theft of your property.
'Democracy wasn't 'new' to either Germany or Japan'
Japan was never a democracy before 1945.
'Before WWII both were taken over by totalitarian governments with military ambitions.'
So in other words, yes, you can impose democracy.
'The occupation was also helped in that the USA had 4.8 MILLION troops to keep order in 1945,'
Indeed.
'Its unfortunate that the USA has become the new USSR. '
LOL... Have some more kool aid...
'Of course look at the origin of the Neocons...they are Russian Trotskyite jews.'
LOL... Always goes back to blaming the Jews.... 'Neocons' = Trotskites' = Jews... again, whatever...
Better them then us? It was never going to be us in Iraq. It will be us in Afganistan and Pakistan, that is who is coming after us. Anybody who says better them then us is a sheep brain fool.
Bueno -Our(U.S.) defeat in the Middle East is a kind of justice for meddling in others affairs. Unfortunately the innocent pay the price. At least we have lost so as to thwart any future such adventures. But will they ever learn? Ie. Vietnam.
This war with Islam will only end when the Muzzies love their children more than they hate us.
...if we don´t kill them they will try to kill us'
Right, I guess every woman and children that US helicopters killed were eager to kill US citizens yeah, really. This is looking like a genocide and the Bush administration, the most murderous regime the world have seen since the day´s of Hitler are, once again, responsible.
It's abundantly clear that the U.S. is following a self-defeating and self-destructing policy in Iraq. Only a fool will deny this. Not only military, but also economically. The more civilians are killed and maimed the more the deeper the guagmire they find themselves in. Violence can never and will never be the solution in situations where the civilian population is being targetted. The Iraqis and there are 25 million of them, are retaliating and rightly so taking revenge and American soldiers are dying in vain every day. But the criminal Bush-administration are not only facing the Iraqis, as time goes by they are increasingly facing the American people as well. Look at their defeat in Congress and that is not the end, mark my word. So hopefully there is hope.
From an observer from the other side of the world.
The Bush/Cheney Mission To Plunder The American Family & Enrich Big Oil Companies & Giant Defense Contractors is Accomplished!
Christian Coalition Troops Occupying Sacred Muslim Land is Destabilizing The Middle East & Causing Big Oil & ExxonMobil & Big Defense Contractors & Halliburton To Earn Massive Profit!
• American People in the last election spoke loud and clear & demand OUT OF IRAQ! The American People WERE BETRAYED BY PELOSI & REED! DO NOT BETRAY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAIN!
• Bush/Cheney policies have created a holocaust event in the middle east, wasted hundreds of billions of dollars on military spending, destabilized the Middle East which has raised the price of a barrel of oil to $70 and a gallon of gasoline to $3-$4 ! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
• Democracy anywhere must include an independent media. CORPORATE CONTROL HAS REPLACED INDEPENDENT MEDIA! THERE ARE NO independent voices appearing on CNN, MSNBC and FOX NEWS! Only Neutered Republican & Democratic Strategists!
• There are 463 Million Muslims in the Middle East. Most want Christian Coalition Troops off their land and many are willing to support Al-Qaeda with money or manpower to make it happen.
• US Government can make Al-Qaeda cease to exist and make them a rebel without a cause and dry up all their financial support! Get US troops Out of Muslim Land.On March 21, 1983 Ronald Reagan called Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden “Freedom Fighters” when they fought and ousted the Soviet Occupiers and ended their puppet government in Afghanistan. Why is the US Government so surprised to find them (Al-Qaeda) doing to US Troops in Afghanistan & Iraq in 2007 (killing them) what we wanted them to do to Soviet Troops in Afghanistan in 1978 (kill them)!
OCCUPATION: THE CAUSE NOT THE CURE
• Over a million Iraqi & Iranian soldiers were killed in the 1978-1988 War. The Bush Administration with the consent of congress is headed for another catastrophic war - with Iran with the possible use of nuclear weapons – At risk is massive loss of US Troops in Iraq!
• Only Diplomatic resolution to nuclear buildup in the Middle East can remain on the table. The greatest risk of worldwide nuclear war comes not from Iran’s Enrichment Program but Israel’s 200-400 targeted and ready to be launched thermonuclear weapons! Time to end this cover-up and send in weapons inspectors!
• 2 out of every 3 barrels of oil on planet earth are located in 5 countries in the Middle East and is worth over 44 trillion dollars. This oil cannot be drank but must be sold – the US Troops are NOT needed to protect these reserves.
• Over 3,500 American Lives have been lost in Iraq and Over 26,000 US Troops have been wounded. Over 437 billion dollars have already been spent in Iraq and another 12 billion per month. Congress must redeploy US Troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan and into protecting the US and its borders. This War Must Be a War Against Energy Waste! Congress must help get Americans off fossil fuels and into renewable energy sources by providing grants and loans to homes and business.
GRANTS & LOANS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY
• off fossil fuels and into renewable energy sources by providing grants and loans
• The Bush/Cheney Administration Invades Iraq Based On Lies and Profit, Installs a Democracy With Bullets & Bombs, Creates an (Oil Rich) Shia Controlled Iraqi Government, Which Will Force 6 Million (Oil Empty) Sunnis To Choose Between Eating Sand or Setting Bombs!
• Iraq & Afghanistan will never settle their civil wars unless the US gets our troops out. Any government that can only exist as a result of Protection by US Troops is not legitimate and will eventually be overthrown following a US Troop Withdrawal.
• END THE CONGRESSIONAL COVERUP to the Correct Number of Deaths in Iraq as a result of the US invasion of 2003. The Scientific Lancet Study Reported 559 Additional Iraqi Deaths PER DAY. The total number of Iraqi Death up until June of 2007 would be 866,450!
• The Mission of GENERAL DAVID PETRAUS is to install security and stability in Iraq! It is clear to the America that US OCCUPATION IS NOT THE CURE BUT IS THE CAUSE OF INSECURITY AND INSTABILITY IN IRAQ! THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY A BARREL OF OIL IS NOW TRADING AT $69.25 PER BARREL!
• The people in the Middle East have done very well without US involvement for the past 4000 years.
SAY YES TO DIPLOMACY NO TO OCCUPATION!
C'hrisitanJul 2nd, 2007 - 07:30:18
...if we don´t kill them they will try to kill us'
Right, I guess every woman and children that US helicopters killed were eager to kill US citizens yeah, really. This is looking like a genocide and the Bush administration, the most murderous regime the world have seen since the day´s of Hitler are, once again, responsible'
'...This is looking like a genocide and the Bush administration, the most murderous regime the world have seen since the day´s of Hitler...'
For the sake of accuracy I would put the jew State first. But just by a nose mind you.
Killing ignorant followers of a murderous ideology developed by a medieval pedophile is always a good thing. The important question is how long will it take to render Islam totally impotent? We did it to Nazism and Islam isn't any different from Nazism. Be patient, the end of Islam as a major force is near.
Easy to indentify the al-Qaeda types from a helicopter what with the neon lights on their turbans flashing 'al-Qaeda'. The United Nations was created in the hopes of forstalling a world in which 'might makes right', but the Bush and Cheney didn't want to let that get in the way of their grand little war. But what to do when the American people get sick of the war and sick of the lies?
The Fascist, Nazi republic of the US continues its rain of terror on the people of Iraq. Complacent Americans are just sitting around as did the German people when Hitler was committing terror.
All of you are so concerned with who is right and who is wrong, who should have power and who should not, who is serving God and who is not. I say when humans shed blood they are displeasing God who sent Jesus to give us the law of love. War is a fact of life and everyone who participates in it is guilty. Stop thinking with selfish hearts and rise above your petty needs, think of what would please God. Both Muslim and coalition soldiers are causing damage to everyone, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and it boils down to greed for power. A sin in God's eyes. If everyone now in the Middle East would pray to God for guidance, that would be His answer. I say there should be one day declared for prayer on both sides where each person reflects on his or her situation and puts out a call to God as to what path to take. 1 day of reflection, no violence, 1 day of peace. And I say one thing to all Muslims, if God wanted all this death and blood shed then He is breaking His promise to all His people and God's word is life, not death. Everthing on this planet belongs to Him and who are you to blaspheme and destroy His creation in the name of just one religion, one prophet. The 'chosen' people were chosen so as to bring knowledge to the rest of the world of our Creator, not be the only ones to receive His gifts. Jesus made that very clear when he answered 'who is my neighbor?' All believers in God have the duty to light the way to Him by their beliefs. Are you sure Allah is God and not Satan? I cannot imagine a brutal God calling for the destruction of His people...His children, His creation........God is not limited. His love extends to all His creation not just to the Muslims.
First of all, what world do you live in? This is a discussion forum, not a Sunday morning church 'lesson'. You act like this is the first time you are aware of war. You act as if a Christian never has spilled blood. What a joke. Let me tell you something about God....He know's our limits. He know's the human psyche. God doesn't call the destruction for His people, b.c that would be a contradiction wouldn't it? He calls for destruction of injustice, even if it may be His creation, i.e. man. His love will never extend to those who follow injustice, of any creed. You are very vague in who you call a 'chosen' person, please elaborate. You cleary don't understand Islam b.c you say 'name of just one religion, one prophet' but you miss the fact that Islam accepts/endorses all true prophets. And yes, according to any religion, Islam or Christianity, God is limited to what they follow.
Wake up, this is a picture perfect world you live in.
Such strong aspirations huh. You must be ready to go out and murder all the Muslims huh. YOu are my hero! Although you miss one important fact....Islam cannot be compared to Nazism or Communism or Christianity. Little do you know that despite Islamic nations lack of military they have huge financial institutions established. If you want to see world-wide poverty, inflation, and chaos you would attempt to fight Islam. Many Islamic nations hold a card greater than military forces: energy production. If you attempt to disrupt that process the entire global market will plummet. Europe will cease to be industrialized, India and China will come to a stand-still if energy uses are not adequete.
So is your comparison between Islam and Nazism accurate? I hardly think so tough guy. Get your head out your ass you ignorant bigot.
'This is a discussion forum, not a Sunday morning church 'lesson'.'
LOL! Too bad! We hear plenty of islamist mumbo-jumbo here, go try to censor them. Or does your outrage only extend to Christians?
'God doesn't call the destruction for His people, b.c that would be a contradiction wouldn't it?'
I guess Mohammad didn't speak for God then. How many Christians do you see flying aircraft full of people in to buildings full of people?
'. You cleary[sic] don't understand Islam b.c you say 'name of just one religion, one prophet'
Well, 'This is a discussion forum', not a segregated islamist indoctrination seminar on jihadi ideology... However, either you are lying or it is you who do not understand Islam. From your Koran:
Qur'an:9:5 'Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.'
Qur'an:9:29 'Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.'
Qur'an:9:88 'The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause.'
Qur'an:9:14 'Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.'
Qur'an:9:38 'Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.'
Qur'an:9:123 'Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.'
Qur'an 5:51 'Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.'
Qur'an 9:29 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.' [Another translation says:] 'pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.'
Qur'an 5:17 '...Say (Muhammad): ‘Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone else on earth?'
Qur'an 5:35 'Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.'
Qur'an 5:49 'And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah's purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.'
Qur'an 5:73 'They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.'
Qur'an 5:77 'Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah's indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.' [Another translation reads:] 'Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.'
Qur'an 5:80 'You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.'
Qur'an 5:82 'You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.'
Qur'an 5:117 'I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)'.
'Although you miss one important fact....Islam cannot be compared to Nazism or Communism or Christianity. '
Well, like Nazism or Communism it is a political ideology, it also has religious overtones.
'Little do you know that despite Islamic nations lack of military they have huge financial institutions established.'
Then why do they need so much aid from the west? Why are their people going without basics that the rest of us take for granted? Why are they so blasted backwards then?
' Many Islamic nations hold a card greater than military forces: energy production.'
You can drill for oil through rubble.
I agree with a past commentor who said that Saddam ruled with an iron hand and many people were murdered by his command - he had control, then he was toppled and the unsurgents were in control and many people were murdered - just exchanging one horror for another - no difference!!
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