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Cold War territory looks tame in comparison to what's currently going on.
America and her allies cannot realisticaly expect an a-la-carte menu on who to pick a fight with,without reprisals.You must remember the deaths in neighbouring countries Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 have been disturbingly high.It is Hypocritical of America to use the nuclear issue as a valid excuse when They are the only nation in the history of Man to have deployed H-bombs and are currently on Irans border,fresh from a war where 90 per cent of the casualtys were civilians.Men.Women.Children.
This war was engineered to protect the allmighty dollar.It is about Oil,Money and control.To expect Iran to be meek at this time is unreasonable by any standard.But America is an expert at writing her own standards as the
U.N. will testify.I love America,but the Bush administration does not honour her constitution.
I agree
The empire is on its last legs
I don't know what the US is all worried about. Iran's missles could never reach the states.
They are probably just like the bottle rockets you can buy down in Tijuana. You don't know where it'll go when you light one up. We have our own issues in our own back yard.
Stay home and leave those people alone!
your comment is racist and uses vulgar language. It shows the stupidity of a marginal group who believe in white supremacy and America as brutal empire.
RE: I don't know what the US is all worried about. Iran's missles could never reach the states.
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If we attacked Iran and they maintained the capability to launch, they'd fire at Israel and Saudi Arabia, if they had the range and warheads.
www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/
There's an 'estimated range' graphic on that link, and Saudi Arabia would be reachable. If North Korea supplied weapons, the range would increase - hence our recent efforts to reach agreements with North Korea, along with their own nuclear efforts.
By taking out Saddam, who was seen as a counterbalance to Iran, we've complicated matters for Saudi Arabia, and given Iran a window to influence Shia minorities such as the group in Saudi Arabia. Had there been a valid replacement government in Iraq to contain their Shia majority, things would have been different. This is why I consider the damage done by Neocon policy to be incalculable, and why we keep seeing new problems arise, such as Chavez in Venezuela threating to cut off U.S. oil supplies, and reaching agreements with Iran. Venezuela's oil is difficult to refine, which is in the U.S.'s favor, but the Chinese would love to get hold of it.
www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-02/2007-02-23-voa56.cfm?CFID=16225 1765&CFTOKEN=21172905
'Before the U.S. toppled Saddam Hussein, Iraq had been something of a counterweight to Iranian power in the Middle East. Now with Saddam gone, Iranian political influence has been expanding, not just in Iraq, but in the region. As VOA correspondent Gary Thomas reports, Saudi Arabia is not happy about the shift in what had been a delicate balance of power.'
It's now evolved to the point that, lacking Saddam and his own animosity towards Iran as a buffer, we have little that we can actually use as a 'club' in negotiations. Sanctions are imperfect to begin with. What's lacking here is our earlier relationship with Russia, which could exert their own pressures on the Iranian nuclear industry. Putin, at this point, has no reason to give Bush any support, unless the situation threatens Russia itself. When you see the earlier point as to 'why should the U.S. care?', put the same question in Putin's mouth.
www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/middleeast/02iran.html?ref=world
PARIS, Dec. 1 — In a sign that Iran has hardened its position on its nuclear program, its new nuclear negotiator said in talks in London on Friday that all proposals made in past negotiations were irrelevant and that further discussion of a curb on Iran’s uranium enrichment was unnecessary, senior officials briefed on the meeting said.
(My guess is that future historians will see Bush's moves as opening the Pandora's Box that becomes our real problems, well beyond Iraq itself).
That would be the Neocon policy, in a nutshell. Thanks for participating.
Like it or Not..
Iran is a member state of the International Atomic Energy Agency
and is entitled to carry out nuclear research.
Not so Bushes two Buddies,..Israel, and Pakistan,.. Whom both have refused to sign the I.A.E.A. and also between them have some of the worst Human Rights records in the Area .
The U.S. has worried about the Middle East forever and will continue to do so with no feasible solution. It will just always be a festering wound to worry about from one generation to another - accept it!!
'Not so Bushes two Buddies,..Israel, and Pakistan,.. Whom both have refused to sign the I.A.E.A. and also between them have some of the worst Human Rights records in the Area . ''
This is Iran's human rights record:
www.liveleak.com/view?i=44a_1176709269
www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657
www.liveleak.com/view?i=518_1190245078
Since 1979, Iranians or Iranian funded and controlled terrorist groups have; invaded the US embassy and held our diplomatic staff for 444 days, took American journalists and a British minister hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley, bombed the US embassy in Lebanon killing 17 Americans, bombed the US barracks Beirut which killed 241 Americans on a peacekeeping mission, bombed the Khobar Towers killing 19 Americans, hijacked an aircraft and killed Robert Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac, bombed a Jewish center in Argentina, killing 85, their proxy Hezbollah has started several conflicts with Israel, including the one last summer which left hundreds dead. They still have a bounty on the head of Salmon Rushdie for writing a book that they didn’t like, they have provided the Shiite death squads in Iraq with training and material as well as the Sunni death squads that go after the Shiites with the objective of creating as much bloodshed in Iraq as passable. They have also been supplying shaped charges and shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles to kill coalition troops. They Chant 'death to America' on a daily basis in their schools and Mosques, they continually threaten to wipe Israel off the map, they have mined the Strait of Hormuz, they publicly lynch girls for being 'disobedient', they publicly lynch boys for being homosexual, they publicly lash women for the crime of being raped, they stone women to death for infidelity, they censor their news, They beat a Canadian journalist to death because she wrote unflattering stories, they murder political dissidents, invented the suicide bomber, kidnapped British sailors and holding them hostage....
The continent of Africa has many such places, some of which supply the U.S. oil as well. Picking the 'worst' would be a very arduous job.
The U.S., if anything, is guilty of trying to force their version of 'Democracy' on places not ready for it, and creating problems in doing so, as well as resentment such as we now see in Putin's statements. This is one place (amongst many) where the Neocon arguments collapse in the face of reality.
Even in China today, young people are more preoccupied with their own well-being and the chance to acquire consumer goods, so they're perfectly willing to endure the Communist leadership.
'The continent of Africa has many such places, some of which supply the U.S. oil as well. '
None of which are building doomsday devices at present.
'The U.S., if anything, is guilty of trying to force their version of 'Democracy' on places not ready for it, and creating problems in doing so, as well as resentment such as we now see in Putin's statements.
Putin is a thug who wants power and democracy is a potential threat to that. Same with the Mullahs in Iran, only they are even more barbaric then Putin.
'Even in China today, young people are more preoccupied with their own well-being and the chance to acquire consumer goods, so they're perfectly willing to endure the Communist leadership.'
Have you taken a poll? Perhaps they are afraid they will be killed for insisting on democracy as happens countless times every year in China.
www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/12/1047431092598.html
www.amnesty.ca/take_action/actions/china_death_penalty.php
www.informationliberation.com/?id=1580
RE: None of which are building doomsday devices at present.
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You don't have to BUILD them when you can BUY them. Thanks to A.Q. Khan of Pakistan's ISI, that's exactly how Iran got started. This lack of understanding is typical of those now on a moral soapbox. If al Qaeda can penetrate African nations, they could truck a suitcase nuke and cause all kinds of havoc. It's an interconnected world, and an attack on oil producers would damage the U.S. greatly - missiles not required. Saudi Arabia's intel agency has been busy investigating such threats. From 2004:
www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/31/content_335167.htm
Twenty-two people were killed in weekend attacks in this Saudi oil city by gunmen who slit the throats of several foreigners, before commandos stormed a housing complex to rescue dozens of hostages. Another 25 people from various countries were wounded in the attacks which were launched Saturday on the offices of several oil companies and only ended 24 hours later when Saudi forces stormed the upmarket Oasis housing compound where the gunmen had taken the hostages, it said in a statement.
The ministry said three of the gunmen managed to escape after seizing a car at gunpoint after the commandos stormed the sprawling compound. A fourth, their alleged leader, was wounded and captured, it said. He was identified only as one of the kingdom's 'most wanted.'
The attacks were purportedly claimed by the Al-Qaeda terror group in a statement posted on an Islamist website and which could not be verified.
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www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=41907
London, February 13, 2005: An investigation by Pakistan's ISI agency has revealed that disgraced scientist A Q Khan and his associates sold nuclear codes, materials, components and plans that left his 'signature' at the core of Iran's nuclear programme, a leading British daily reported on Sunday.
The outcome of the ISI investigation was figured in private talks in Brussels at the end of last month between European Union officials and senior ministers from Pakistan and India, The Sunday Telegraph claimed.
The EU officials were told that cooperation between Iran and 68-year-old Khan and associates from his Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) began in mid-90s and included more than a dozen meetings over several years, the report said. Most of the meetings were between Mohammad Farooq, centrifuge expert from KRL, and Iranians in Karachi, Kuala Lumpur and Teheran, it said.
(Bush wants the people focused on Iran, because the military feels it's something that they can deal with. The old story reported is that some in our military pushed for an attack on Iraq after bin Laden had escaped, leaving them frustrated and looking for something to do. The Spartans were the same way - if there was no war to fight, they held games and killed each other - the precursor to organized sports, which are actually simulated warfare. Ther Annapolis story/photo-op has pushed Iraq off the headlines for awhile, but attacks still continue, and 2.5 million refugees in Syria and elsewhere, forbidden from working, are running out of money. Syria has put through a 'tax' on the Iraqi refugees of $50 per person for three months, and for someone with extended family, that's a LOT of dinars).
blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/saudi_al_qaeda_.html
February 08, 2007
Saudi militants associated with al Qaeda say they're planning major attacks against Western interests in the Saudi Kingdom. 'We have -- for some time -- been preparing for specific operations that will shake the crusader's pillars in the Arab's Peninsula.'
The threat came in the introduction to an online magazine produced by the Saudi al Qaeda group and published on militant Islamist Internet forums.
Addressing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, a member of the group called Mohammed bin Abdallah al Nasser says, 'Your soldiers in the Arab's Peninsula are working, planning and preparing for what will make you and the faithful rejoice -- God willing. We ask God to facilitate things for us until the zero hour comes.'
www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/middleeast/02baghdad.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&o ref=slogin
'One recent independent analysis ranked Iraq the third most corrupt country in the world. Of 180 countries surveyed, only Somalia and Myanmar were worse, according to Transparency International, a Berlin-based group that publishes the index annually.
BAGHDAD, Dec. 1 — Jobless men pay $500 bribes to join the police. Families build houses illegally on government land, carwashes steal water from public pipes, and nearly everything the government buys or sells can now be found on the black market.
Painkillers for cancer (from the Ministry of Health) cost $80 for a few capsules; electricity meters (from the Ministry of Electricity) go for $200 each, and even third-grade textbooks (stolen from the Ministry of Education) must be bought at bookstores for three times what schools once charged.
“Everyone is stealing from the state,” said Adel Adel al-Subihawi, a prominent Shiite tribal leader in Sadr City, throwing up his hands in disgust. “It’s a very large meal, and everyone wants to eat.”
Corruption and theft are not new to Iraq, and government officials have promised to address the problem. But as Iraqis and American officials assess the effects of this year’s American troop increase, there is a growing sense that, even as security has improved, Iraq has slipped to new depths of lawlessness.
news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1378283.php
Iran halted nuclear weapons programme in 2003, US says
Washington - Iran halted its atomic weapons programme in 2003 and seems less determined to develop nuclear arms than the Bush administration previously believed, the US intelligence community said in a report released Monday.
As of the middle of this year, it does not appear that Iran has resumed its nuclear weapons programme even as it continues uranium enrichment in defiance of the UN Security Council, the unclassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate said.
The NIE concluded that Iran stopped the weapons aspect of its nuclear work because of greater international pressure and scrutiny in a sign that 'suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously,' the NIE said, in reference to a similar report in 2005.
The intelligence said Iran, because of technical problems, probably will not have enough highly enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon until some time between 2010 and 2015. The NIE said, however, Iran at a 'minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons' and was still gaining nuclear expertise.
(that's followed by the usual White House excuses and chest-beating ...)
' don't have to BUILD them when you can BUY them.'
No... Wrong. Kahn sold them the tools and the blueprints to do it, not the weapons themselves. Regardless, the USA is currently guarding Pakistan's warheads. Do you think Iran would allow a civilized country to do the same?
'This lack of understanding is typical of those now on a moral soapbox'
Moral soapbox? I guess you are fine with people routinely being slowly strangled in public for the amusement of the masses. Iran thuggish theocracy is a dirty regime that is run by madmen who are going to bring destruction down on their own stupid heads. That would be fine if it were just they who will suffer, but they are going to bring the entire country down with them.
'Saudi Arabia's intel agency has been busy investigating such threats. From 2004:'
Not at all relevant to this discussion. As usual.
'al Q plans Saudi attacks'
Not at all relevant to this discussion. As usual.
'Bush wants the people focused on Iran, because the military feels it's something that they can deal with.'
That doesn't make any sense and is just more of your paranoia.
'The old story reported is that some in our military pushed for an attack on Iraq after bin Laden had escaped, leaving them frustrated and looking for something to do. '
Again, that doesn't make any sense.
'The Spartans were the same way - if there was no war to fight, they held games and killed each other '
Another tortured analogy snatched out of thin air and signifying nothing. the subject was Iran by the way...
'Syria has put through a 'tax' on the Iraqi refugees of $50 per person for three months, and for someone with extended family, that's a LOT of dinars'.
Since they are returning en masse this will resolve itself. Actually, I couldn't care less if Syria has a refugee problem.
'Saudi militants associated with al Qaeda say they're planning major attacks against Western interests in the Saudi Kingdom. '
Not at all relevant to this discussion. As usual.
'Nonstop Theft & Bribery Are Staggering Iraq'
Welcome to the middle east... This too is not at all relevant to this discussion.
'Iran halted nuclear weapons programme in 2003, US says'
As long as the centrifuge's are spinning they have a weapons program that needs to be stopped. No one in the 'US' except for maybe you said that:
'Iran halted nuclear weapons program'. Monsters and Critics loves to slap erroneous titles on wire reports and give the story a significance that is at odds with the intent of the original author.
'that's followed by the usual White House excuses and chest-beating ...'
Iran is a repugnant, indecent theocratic dictatorship that needs to be stopped cold from destroying us or it's neighbors and even itself. That is not chest beating, it is common sense.
Ones that you didn't care to cut and paste...
'Other activities such as civilian uranium enrichment and missile development continue.
-- Iran is keeping open the option of developing nuclear weapons, but U.S. intelligence agencies 'do not know' whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.
It will be hard to persuade the Iranian leadership to renounce nuclear weapons development altogether.
-- Iran may have imported at least some weapons-grade nuclear fuel but not enough to make a weapon. It cannot be ruled out that Iran has acquired from abroad, or will acquire, a nuclear weapon or sufficient nuclear fuel to make one.
-- Any production of highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons would probably take place at a covert facility rather than a declared nuclear site. Covert enrichment programs were probably halted in 2003 and had not been restarted as of mid-2007.'
The difference between civilian enrichment and weapons grade enrichment is only a matter of degree and if enrichment is taking place 'at a covert facility rather than a declared nuclear site' how does anyone knnow it has been 'stopped'?
Simple: they don't.
The damage has been done, and now Bush will find it that much harder to get other nations to go along. Putin pushed back against him awhile ago, which is the first sign that this was going nowhere. China has manifold reasons for being on Iran's side as well. Aside from Sarkozy in France, Bush is losing more allies for outright action than he's gaining. Any more bad news on Labour from Britain, and we'd be comparing them to the GOP and Craig).
Actually, in terms of 'loss' of nuclear weapons, Pakistan was not the only place that I had in mind .....
afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iN_wzTTrYFB4jTfBJTEBj2fzZsXg
'BRATISLAVA (AFP) 11/29/07 — Hungarian and Slovak police seized enriched uranium that could be used in a 'dirty bomb' when they arrested three traffickers in a joint operation, officials said Thursday. 'According to preliminary information, the material could have been used to make a so-called dirty bomb,' Slovak deputy police president Michal Kopcik told journalists in Bratislava. The traffickers wanted 1.6 million dollars for the 481.4 grammes of material, Kopcik said. It contained uranium-235, the type used in nuclear reactors and nuclear warheads, and the naturally occurring uranium-238. 'The radioactive uranium was even more dangerous because it was in powder form,' Kopcik explained.'
(Russia 2001)
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE3DD1338F931A25752C1A9679C8 B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
'In the last year, there have been dozens of violations of nuclear security rules in Russia and at least one loss of fissile material; Taliban emissaries have tried to recruit Russian scientists, and terrorists have tried to stake out a Russian nuclear storage site at least twice, say senior officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency and Western governments. The officials detailed the incidents, citing conversations with Russian officials and verified news reports. Despite significant improvements in Russian nuclear security in the 1990's -- some of it with American money and advice -- up to half of ex-Soviet civilian and military nuclear stockpiles with weapons-grade material are not well protected.'
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Considerable 'damage' can be inflicted with 'dirty' bombs, and the material for those is not nearly as well accounted for. Someone determined to create a problem can do so. The problem of 'public perception' exceeds the actual risks; but post-9/11 that's bad enough.
atomicinsights.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirty-bomb-advice.html
'What is the biggest concern from a radiological dispersion device?
A: Two things: the irrational fear it can induce and the expense of cleanup. The possibility of the radiation actually hurting anyone is quite small. We fear what we do not understand, sometimes irrationally. The concepts of radiation are poorly taught in high school, and the only other radiation information we get has been sensationalized by Hollywood, politicians, and those looking to make a buck off of our lack of education. You can beat the fear by learning how radiation works and how to manage it safely (protection techniques). Fear and panic kill people, as any good Marine knows.'
(Think of the mess this President created based on the FEAR of WMD's; and multiply that. I realize that a simple mind such as yours has trouble with logical deduction, but try it, just for laughs.)
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7126117.stm
'In an abrupt change of position, the US intelligence agencies now say they do not know if Iran intends to build a nuclear weapon. In May 2005, the intelligence community had said 'with high confidence' that Iran was 'determined' to build nuclear weapons. The new NIE confirms that Iran did, indeed, have an illicit nuclear weapons programme. But it says that programme ceased operating in 2003 and, as of mid-2007, had probably not started up again. The NIE asserts that the weapons programme was dropped because of international pressure. It says that US intelligence estimates - with 'moderate-to-high confidence' - that Iran currently does not currently have a nuclear weapon.'
(Iran is signatory to treaties that allow it to enrich uranium for peaceful uses, and objectively, their depending on nuclear for domestic use while selling oil makes sense. Had Bush dealt with Iran diplomatically, instead of including them in his 'Axis', we'd not now even be having this discussion).
(Since in your dimension Bush is as blameless as the Pope, enjoying some kind of cosmic dispensation, I'm not expecting a balanced response. Since it's winter, I expect your hibernation to begin soon, anyway).
(One more photo-op for naught, except perhaps a bright note in Bush's do-nothing legacy of leaving things worse than before)
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-mideast_mon03dec03,1,652274 .story?ctrack=1&cset=true
JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Sunday played down expectations for a peace agreement with the Palestinians by the end of next year, a target set at a U.S.-sponsored Middle East peace conference last week.
Olmert's remarks came at the first meeting of his Cabinet after the conference in Annapolis, Md., and appeared to be a signal to his rightist coalition partners that he is not rushing into a deal or planning concessions without reciprocal moves by the Palestinians.
Leaders of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party and rightist Yisrael Beiteinu faction have warned that they could bolt the coalition and topple the government if Olmert negotiated core issues of the conflict with the Palestinians, such as the status of Jerusalem, borders and the fate of Palestinian refugees.
'An effort will be made to hold accelerated negotiations with the hope that it will be possible to conclude them in 2008, but there is certainly no commitment to rigid timetables regarding these negotiations,' Olmert said in public remarks at the opening of the Cabinet session.
'The most important thing in the joint statement [reached at the conference] ... is that implementation of any settlement and agreement that we arrive at in the future will be subject to completing all the commitments of the road map,' Olmert said, referring to a U.S.-sponsored plan outlining steps toward a peace agreement.
(Isn't that where we were 5 years ago? This is what happens when the President has neither the stature nor the influence to drive matters, and tries for a grand slam instead of a single).
www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1690276,00.html
There was little surprise in the results of Russia's parliamentary election Sunday, with Vladimir Putin's party appearing to have won two-thirds of the vote. Given the extensive use of state resources to tilt the political playing field entirely in the favor of the ruling party, the outcome was all but predetermined. But the more telling fact may be that Putin's managed election victory has caused so little public discontent outside of small liberal enclaves of the middle class and die-hard supporters of the Communist Party. That lack of an outcry is just further proof that, despite what opposition figures liken to the authoritarian traditions of the communist era, Putin remains the overwhelmingly popular leader in Russia today.
voanews.com/english/2007-12-03-voa58.cfm
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for economic and security cooperation deals between the states bordering the Persian Gulf. He was addressing the annual summit of the Gulf Cooperation Council in Qatar. It is the first time an Iranian leader has ever attended the GCC summit. VOA Correspondent Challiss McDonough has more from our Middle East bureau in Cairo. Mr. Ahmadinejad told the leaders of the six Persian Gulf states meeting in Doha that any security problem affecting one of their nations will hurt all of the others. He urged the establishment of economic and security pacts between the Gulf states.
The BS continues, with a conflict in the very same presentation:
www.voanews.com/english/2007-12-03-voa59.cfm
'White House National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley says it confirms the existence of an earlier secret nuclear arms development program. He says at the same time, this National Intelligence Estimate shows Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium in defiance of international calls to suspend, and could produce enough for a bomb as soon as late 2009.'
(vs.)
'The new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran says Tehran halted a secret nuclear weapons program in late 2003. It says as of mid-2007, the work had not resumed.'
(Somehow the estimate of timeframe of 2010-2015 seems to have been dropped by Hadley/Cheney in his/their commentary)
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHahrlUUeJmU&refer=home
'If Iran were to restart its program, it would not have enough material for a bomb until between 2010 and 2015, according to the National Intelligence Estimate, which is the consensus view of the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.'
(It did not rain today. Thank Bush and his policies)
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
'The damage has been done, and now Bush will find it that much harder to get other nations to go along.'
Go along with what?
'Putin pushed back against him awhile ago, which is the first sign that this was going nowhere.'
Putin wants his money for selling whatever doomsday devices he can sell. Putin is a thug. You just adore him however because he is frustrating Bush's efforts. Never mind if those efforts are to avert a nuclear war in the middle east.
'China has manifold reasons for being on Iran's side as well.'
Oil and arms deals, that is the extent of it.
'Aside from Sarkozy in France, Bush is losing more allies for outright action than he's gaining. '
You seem to be pleased that Iran can get away with what it is getting away with. I guess you have found some new terrorists to side with. You POS.
'Considerable 'damage' can be inflicted with 'dirty' bombs, and the material for those is not nearly as well accounted for'
You can make a dirty bomb with an old x-ray machine, and no, the threat from them is over hyped. I would be more worried about Iran turning over a real nuclear weapon to one of it's many terrorist proxy's... Still though, if they blew up an American city and killed millions (An estimated 6 million from a plutonium bomb in midtown Manhattan) that would probably be just dandy with you, right PB? After all, that is something Bush would object to therefore it is something to hope for so you can point to a 'Bush failure'.
'Iran is signatory to treaties that allow it to enrich uranium for peaceful uses, and objectively, their depending on nuclear for domestic use while selling oil makes sense.'
Enriching uranium for a heavy water reactor when they have been offered enriched uranium for free and a light water reactor makes absolutely no sense what so ever for anything other then weapons development. Running 3000 centrifuges makes no sense what so ever for anything other then weapons development.
'Had Bush dealt with Iran diplomatically, instead of including them in his 'Axis', we'd not now even be having this discussion.'
Diplomatically? They have elected one of the monkeys who took our embassy staff as president. You can't and shouldn't deal 'diplomatically' with miserable witch-doctors who stone human beings to death for the 'crime' of being raped.
'Since in your dimension Bush is as blameless as the Pope, enjoying some kind of cosmic dispensation, I'm not expecting a balanced response.'
You somehow want to blame Bush for Iran being a miserable thug-ocracy? They have been since 1979. Idiot. Blaming the pope actually makes more sense.
'Since it's winter, I expect your hibernation to begin soon, anyway.'
Nope, I just have a life outside of the internet, loser.
'Now Israel plays down Annapolis'
Who can blame them?
'One more photo-op for naught, except perhaps a bright note in Bush's do-nothing legacy of leaving things worse than before'
I noticed you are not mentioning Iraq any more. :-D
'Why are our enemies better at politics?'
They are not. They just know that we are saddled with morons like you who will routinely side with them no matter what monstrous crimes they commit against us or their own people. 'Useful idiots' is the term... Congratulations, someone finally thinks of you as 'useful'.
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'White House National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley says it confirms the existence of an earlier secret nuclear arms development program. He says at the same time, this National Intelligence Estimate shows Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium in defiance of international calls to suspend, and could produce enough for a bomb as soon as late 2009.''
Gee... Sounds like everything is just dandy with Iran... You continue to keep your head up your ass and let the adults sort it out...
You're a brainwashed schmuck, AND you're ignored.
news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1378324.php/ANALYSIS_In telligence_report_on_Iran_could_weaken_isolation_stance
ANALYSIS: Intelligence report on Iran could weaken isolation stance
Washington - A new US intelligence report that said Iran is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than previously believed could make it harder for the Bush administration to internationally isolate the Islamic state, analysts say.
The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which concluded Iran had halted its nuclear weapons programme in 2003, will also dampen speculation that President George W Bush will order airstrikes to take out Iran's nuclear facilities before he leaves office.
(I guess that leaves masturbation as the only outlet ...)
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