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Iran: Russian fuel won't stop Iran enrichment process (Roundup)
Dec 17, 2007, 11:49 GMT
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the presidential palace in Tehran, Iran. The delivery of nuclear fuel by Russia for Iran\'s Bushehr power plant in southern Iran will not stop the country\'s uranium enrichment process, Iranian Vice-President Gholam- Reza Aqazadeh told state television Monday. EPA/ABEDIN TAHERKENAREH
Tehran/Moscow - The delivery of nuclear fuel by Russia for Iran's Bushehr power plant in southern Iran will not stop the country's uranium enrichment process, Iranian Vice-President Gholam- Reza Aqazadeh told state television Monday.
'The Russian nuclear fuel is only for Bushehr and we will continue uranium enrichment in the Natanz plant (central Iran) to provide nuclear fuel for our local power plants to be completed in the future,' said Aqazadeh, who is also head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization.
Aqazadeh's statement came as Russia on Monday delivered its first shipments of nuclear fuel to the Bushehr power plant, setting a definite timeline for the start-up of the controversial plant.
The fuel left Russia's Novosibirsk chemical plant after all payment conflicts stalling Russia's completion of Iran's first nuclear power plant were resolved last week, the Foreign Ministry said.
Russian state contractor Atomstroiexport said the Bushehr plant could be completed six months from the first fuel deliveries.
In the first shipment from Russia, Iran will receive 82 tons of nuclear fuel for the Bushehr plant, Iran's ISNA news agency quoted an unnamed nuclear official as saying earlier Monday.
'The completion of our local nuclear power plants will take a couple of years so does our nuclear fuel production but we want to complete both simultaneously so that the local power plants would immediately be provided with fuel and become operational,' Aqazadeh said.
He added that Iran has currently 3000 centrifuges in Natanz but wants to increase their number to 50,000 which would be necessary to produce nuclear fuel of a 1000 megawatt plant for at least one year.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said earlier that Iran needed 'another four to five years' to operate 50,000 centrifuges.
Aqazadeh predicted that the electricity from the Bushehr plant could join the national electricity network within the second quarter of 2008.
'The Russian nuclear fuel delivery also has a political message for the world: Russia, as a United Nations veto power, has herewith acknowledged the peaceful and civil nature of Iran's nuclear programmes,' the vice-president said.
'The other UN veto powers and Germany should acknowledge the same fact, as well. There is indeed neither justification nor a legal basis for keeping the Iranian nuclear dossier at the UN Security Council,' he added.
Iran might still face a third UN Security Council resolution, including financial sanctions, for having rejected the main international demand of suspending its uranium enrichment programme.
President Ahmadinejad once again rejected this demand in a TV interview on Sunday saying that Iran's nuclear programmes, including enrichment, 'would go ahead with full gas,' and the country would not be intimidated by sanctions or military threats.
The United States and some European countries have pushed for sanctions against Iran, alleging that the Bushehr plant is a cover for ambitions to build nuclear weapons.
But a US intelligence report released two weeks ago seemed to support Iranian and Russian claims that the Islamic state's nuclear programme was purely for civilian use.
News of the US report buoyed Russian-Iranian talks to move forward on the Bushehr plant. Russia has repeatedly pushed back the start-up date for the plant, citing delays in payments from Tehran.
On a visit to Iran in October, Putin promised his Iranian counterpart Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Russia would complete the power plant, but did not specify a deadline.
Observers say Russia had delayed fuel deliveries because it does not fully trust Ahmadinejad and fears an international backlash amid concern over Iran's nuclear programme.
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The Israel/Jewish lobby will be doing their outmost in creating problems for Russia.
It is us idiots in the west who are paying the price for Israel’s aggression against anybody who dares challenge their sadistic racist behavior towards her neighbors, we are paying with our blood and treasure to support Israel vicious and horrible genocide and arrogance in the middle East.
Exactly!
I think the decadent west should look to mother Russia for moral, political, and economic guidance. I respect their electoral process as well. Much better than in west - especially the terrible us of a.
Putin: Medvedev, I now select you as new President of Russia!
Medvedev: Thank you sir! Since you have been so kind, I think you should be the prime minister!
Putin: Really? That is wonderful! You sir are just too kind!
All: Blame the jews.
@Waine
I'm not sure what you mean by 'cut loose.'
The Russians have been helping Iran develop its nuclear program for many many years.
'if the West stopped the war rhetoric'
The Iranian government/theocracy sponsors rallies and indoctrinates people to such an extent that they chant 'death to america' and burn effigies. People in the US see that and are justifiably wary of arming such people with nuclear weapons. Proliferation is dangerous on its own, but if radicals with declared murderous intentions get the bomb, the world becomes a much more dangerous place.
I'm all for peace and brotherly love - but common sense is important too.
CHARLES
I know it's a clich'e but I can only think of one country that has actually nooked another, yep the good old US of A, I would rather take my chances with Armadinigen than your President Bush thank you.
'People in the US see that and are justifiably wary of arming such people with nuclear weapons.'
Why do you say that? Iran NEVER said its nuclear program was for weaponry. The IAEA sees no weapon development and the U.S. own intelligence agencies find nothing to show an attempt anymore. So where are your sources? Do you have better inspectors and intelligence agents than everyone else?
A wiser course of action by America would have been to HELP, yes HELP the Iranians with their NUCLEAR POWER projects and they could have monitored every stage of development and every grain of uranium and plutonium.
But NO! The puppet bush (bush has a hole in his back into which a jewish israeli arm goes in to move his lips, it is also called a dummy) becomes adversarial and threatens war sending massive amounts of ships off their waters to intimidate them and brings sanctions to the country! Smart move dummy!
He needs to plug that hole up and be a man and American but it is too late.
CHARLES
Bush to his friends in the judiciary, ' look lads I havent got rid of
of enough votes with these hanging chads, just give me the job, I'll be grateful' Sure george it's yours.
the moral look to your own corrupt elections before you critisize any others.
@waine
'I would rather take my chances with Armadinigen than your President Bush thank you.'
Based upon the level of critical judgement you have shown on these forums, that doesn't surprise me at all. But once your bogey man Bush is gone - and he will be soon, the US will experience a peaceful transfer of power with a very very low probability of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of someone outside of a generations old strictly controlled chain of command and security structure.
The same cannot be said of Immadindahead. In these radically indoctrinated muslim countries whose mobs scream for blood and mayhem at the publishing of cartoons, the risk of 'the bomb' falling into trigger happy hands is greater. The regimes themselves are less stable and it is much MORE likely that weapons would be misused.
We also need to consider increased risks of regional arms race and further proliferation.
Middle Eastern - and most muslim countries in general, are relatively behind the times (to put it mildly) in terms of political development, education, etc., compared to western countries. This just means more risk.
@Joe
'Iran NEVER said its nuclear program was for weaponry.'
So? They also tried to hide most of their programs from the international community and succeeded for nearly 2 decades. Why would they do that if it was peaceful? If you believe the latest NIE, then you also have to accept that Iran had an active secret weapons program until 2003.
What I find especially odd about all this talk of weapons development timelines, is that the US with no computers developed the theory, processes, and weapons from start to finish in three years about 65 years ago. How could it be that with published weapon designs and procedures readily available, and no uncertainty whatsoever about the viability of these projects, that it takes other countries years if not decades to produce the same results.
The only real time consuming part of the process is enrichment. Iran has stated it is continuing and even increasing its enrichment capability.
'A wiser course of action by America would have been to HELP, yes HELP the Iranians with their NUCLEAR POWER projects and they could have monitored every stage of development and every grain of uranium and plutonium.'
Iran had secret nuclear programs for decades. They didn't tell the US - they didn't tell the IAEA. Having official and secret programs are not mutually exclusive as Iran has already shown. Everything hinges on Iran's intents and actions. If they choose to keep programs secret, they will stay secret. If the Germans, Russians, Americans, or even Israelis helped Iran build nuclear reactors, it would not preclude Iran from having parallel secret programs. Do you understand that?
'He needs to plug that hole up and be a man and American but it is too late.'
What will you do when Bush is gone? Who will you blame? Did you blame Clinton/Reagan/Carter?
CHARLES
Do you think Israel is a safe country to have neucleer weapons. Here is a country that has threatened to bomb Western Cities if it dosen't get it's way, dont keep looking for bogeymen in the Islamic world look to your Zionist masters in Israel. Your postings deny any culpability of
American terrorism around the world. Regime change all over Latin America regime change in Iran, regime change in Iraq ,I could go on for much more, but I suspect you know your Bush and co are nuts. Regime change is illegal under international law, but when as the USA let a little thing like that get in the way of a nice little war.
Oh, come now, Charles! Surely you know by now that EVERYTHING is the fault of the United States in one way or another. It does not really matter who resides in the Whitehouse, it will be America's fault, whether it's a double-yolked egg or an outbreak of cholera.
NOHARNESS
you are dead right, no matter who the president is, your country will do whatever it likes, not because it is strong, on the contrary it is just a bully, and will in due course get it's comeuppance, if China pulls the plug, your country will wither away, China owns America lock stock and barrel. Must be gauling for a country that is rabidly anti communist to be in hock to the only true commy state left in the world.
@waine
'no matter who the president is'
OK - so its not Bush - its the US in general that is bad/evil. Are there any previous Presidents you do like?
'your country will do whatever it likes'
Yup - like protect friends/allies, oppose dictators and other unsavory regimes, protect free navigation, foreign aid, disaster recovery, etc., etc.
Historically speaking, can you think of any country in history that held such a relative advantage in military and economic power that has taken less advantage of its position?
The world is sure lucky that we have modest tastes.
'and will in due course get it's comeuppance'
This is your sincerest hope I know. In a different sense, I also hope that the US is one day appreciated for its contributions.
'your country will wither away'
He he he.
'the only true commy state left in the world'
I'm not sure how deep your knowledge is of communism, but the PRC has moved quite far from its communist origins.
CHARLES
I am in no way demonising the American people as a whole. Perhaps my postings don't make the right distinction from your politicians and the general public. I am old enough to appreciate the sacrifices the American soldiers made in world war one and world war two, to which I and Europe owe a debt of gratitude, because those soldiers where fighting for freedom from tyrany, it just seems lately that the tyrany is comming from your politicians. I have always respected the USA in the past, beleiving that America could be liked more for it's benevolence than it's bombs and bullets. To my way of thinking the people who run the Whitehouse have betrayed the American public, for a twopenny state called Israel. Anyone who can look objectivley at the problems in the world today cannot but see
where a lot of it stems from. China communist or not dose'nt have elections so call it a dictatorship if you like. your still in hock.
I'm glad nuclear fuel is finally being shipped to the Bushehr plant. It should've happened months ago, but due to 'financial' reasons (also known as Western pressure to stop the construction of a PEACEFUL nuclear power plant), the fuel deliveries were delayed.
I, for one, don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons or not. I think it is unfair for certain powers to dictate whether or not other countries should have nuclear weapons or not. Who is America to say, 'you can't have nuclear weapons?'. Based on the track record of nations that built nuclear weapons (China, Israel, India, and Pakistan), I think it is actually advantageous that Iran get nuclear weapons. Seeing how those four countries are being treated now, hopefully Iran getting nuclear weapons will even the bargaining chips between America and Iran.
And for those of you who are fearful of Iran bombing Israel or the US, the same stupid rhetoric was used when the Soviets got nukes: 'OMG! DAMN COMMIES GOT NUKES! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!! NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON! OMG!!'.
Well, I'm still waiting...
And when the Chinese got the hydrogen bomb and neutron bombs, 'OMG!! CHINESE!! FOREIGN COUNTRY GOT THE H-BOMB AND N-BOMB! WE'RE DEAD! KILL CHINA!! COMMUNIST CHINESE WILL USE THOSE AGAINST DEMOCRATIC AMERICA!'
Well, I'm still waiting for that too...
And when Pakistan got nuclear weapons, 'OMG! ISLAMIC NATION GOT NUKES! WE'RE DEAD, BECAUSE THEY'RE FANATICS!'
Well, still waiting...
The reason why we don't want other countries getting nuclears weapons is that it shatters the monopoly on the ultimate weapon that only a privileged few have. With that in mind, I don't care which country produces nuclear weapons. If they can produce it, they deserve to have it.
TAIWANESE
Nice one great posting.
Israeli created Concentration camps in Palestine and Israel’s other neighbors,
Palestine As good as wiped off the map, 4 million U.S made (financed by the U.S taxpayer) cluster bombs (Against all the norms of modern warfare) dropped in Lebanon in 34 days, starting the Iraq war (Bush/Cheney getting their instructions from Israel lobby), genocide, terror and murder unknown for it’s savagery, yes welcome to Israel’s contribution to peace and tranquility in Mid East.
I don’t know how we dare call the Iranians for our evil.
We saved your ass twice in WW1 and then agian in WW2 and kicked ur ass in the American Revolution.
So kicks who's ass.
@Waine
'I am old enough to appreciate the sacrifices the American soldiers made in world war one and world war two'
So when did our politicians and everyone who supported them, including many brave soldiers, become bad/evil? Should we have sacrificed 50K soldiers to protect ROK? What about the sacrifices and trillions spent during cold war?
'I and Europe owe a debt of gratitude, because those soldiers where fighting for freedom from tyrany,'
Even though our bombs killed tens of thousands of French/low country civilians? What about poor planning that forced US tankers to go against panzers with outclassed tanks using training shells? Crappy generals? Fire bombing enemiy cities?
So what about the muslims of the former Yugoslavia? While our final response was belated, didn't we try to protect them?
I'm sure people can come up with plenty of examples of the good/bad.
In the case of Iraq, there are large swaths of the population - probably the majority of people - who are glad Saddam is gone. He was a tyrant. The bloodshed and chaos in Iraq is now caused by suicide bombers and radicals who cannot tolerate a democratic society and/or a US success. I'll readily admit that there are plenty of shia radicals as well. Of course they didn't really open the gates of hell until spring of 06. Prior to that it was mostly sunni extremists blowing people to bits.
If you remove murderous extremists and their powerful foreign sponsors, Iraq would probably not be such a bad place right now. Romanticize it all you want, but it is the tyrannical extremists that are causing trouble - not the US.
Amazingly enough there are morons out there who think this is a good idea because the USA opposes it. It will probably mean a nuclear war.
If I were you, I would not attempt to have an intelligent converstion with SP4, Charles or Noawareness. They are dyed in the wool republicans who have been told what to think and are incapable of independent thought. What Chucky baby does is get you involved and then sticks to what he knows and is incapable of respecting the other person's opinion, without degrading it into a flaming match. The non-sequiturs and side trips he goes on have nothing to do with the topic. And then slangs you for 'not answering his questions.' It appears that all he wants to do with these forums is try to brainwash you too. Charles has steadfastly claimed that all he wants is intelligent discourse. That is impossible to do, as his mind has been intercoursed. Ignore these three. This is one case where ignorance is bliss.
'If I were you, I would not attempt to have an intelligent converstion[sic] with SP4, Charles or Noawareness[sic]. '
Why would ether of you start now? In order to have an intelligent conversation you have to have some intelligence. Anyone who thinks it is a good idea for the theocratic, despotic, totalitarian and yes, evil mullahs who rule Iran to have a doomsday device is clearly a moron.
The trouble with Darwinism in a democracy is that idiots like you now the capacity to bring destruction not only on yourselves but also on useful humans with triple digit IQ's who are leading productive lives. It would be one thing if the Iranian revolutionary guard just killed the useful idiots when they nuke a western city but you are going to take some non-wastes of human lives with you.
This deal has been underway for a long time, and was bound to happen. The White House, in their state of reverie, keeps believing that they have influence in this matter. The timing stinks, because it comes on the heels of the NIE report, making it more difficult to get Russian and Chinese support for greater sanctions. The second nuclear plant is also old news, dating back to 1979 proposals that were set aside.
Here's the fog that Bush and his advisers exist in - Johndroe's point is valid in the abstract, but the Iranians have no reason to change course right now:
www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/world/middleeast/18diplo.html?ref=world
'Publicly, the White House took a different tack. “There is no doubt that Russia and the rest of the world want to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,” said a White House spokesman, Gordon D. Johndroe. “And today’s announcement provides one more avenue for the Iranians to make a strategic choice to suspend enrichment.”
But privately, administration officials said that they had been hoping, with dwindling confidence, that Russia would continue to stall on delivering the fuel, in part to send a message to Iran that the United States and its European, Chinese and Russian allies were hanging tough in their attempts to punish Iran for refusing to suspend enrichment.
“We for many years tried to stop it, and for the last year we’ve known there was no way to stop it, and that it was coming, and we held our breath on the timing,” a senior administration official said.'
This poster:'None of the above' is, in all likelyhood, our dearly beloved Charles. It is slightly more in his style than Nohatness. But I think you can see what sort of primitive being he is. Do you see the avoidance, the non-sequiturs, the diversion, the slanging and the outright fecal matter? It is quite obvious that his shoe size is greater than his IQ. His triple digit IQ, most likely, is after the decimal point, not before it.
bush is in with this guy .
you can bet your ass we will have world war 3 just so bush can stay in office.
'This poster:'None of the above' is, in all likelyhood[sic], our dearly beloved Charles'
Nope, wrong again idiot.
'Do you see the avoidance'
Notice how this moron doesn't address the point of the article or takes a stand on whether or not Iran should be receiving plutonium from Russia...yet yammers on about 'avoidance'.
'What's all the excitement?'
Nuclear war in the middle east...gee, go figure.
'This deal has been underway for a long time, and was bound to happen.'
Well that makes it OK then. A smart move....
Tsk, tsk. Such petulance. Definitely not a mature person, is he?
'Tsk, tsk. Such petulance. Definitely not a mature person, is he?'
So much for:
'intelligent converstion[sic]', 'independent thought' and avoiding 'non-sequiturs' and 'side trips' that 'have nothing to do with the topic'...
You wallow in your 'avoidance', 'diversion' and your inability to engage in 'intelligent discourse'... You trot out such playground vintage, golden oldies as: 'It is quite obvious that his shoe size is greater than his IQ' yet you call someone else immature.
Too bad you are too stupid to appreciate the irony. Thanks for contributing nothing... as expected.
You can complain all you want, but Iran WILL get nuclear weapons. It's inevitable. And once you realize that they will not export them to terrorists, you'll look like fools.
Why would Iran, if it produces nuclear weapons, give them to terrorists? You know how much resources go into even one nuclear bomb? Decades of research. They're not going to just idiotically give/sell it to Hezbollah (for example) and tell them, 'go use it on Israel'.
If that's what you think, then you're honestly a novice in terms of international politics and warfare. Go read some books and the history of nuclear weapons, and then come back to re-state your arguments again.
If Iran does have a nuclear weapons program (which we still don't have evidence of yet), then it is building it for two reasons: one is for deterrence against Israel and America. A threat of attack, especially after 9/11, is high against Iran. We can see that America and Israel have no qualms about attacking Middle Eastern countries for the tiniest of reasons, so Iran is obviously a big fat juicy target. Nuclear weapons will make them think twice before attacking. Second, it is to promote prestige in the Middle East. With nuclear weapons, you can bully other nations, much like America and other nuclear weapon countries are doing.
So please, if you're going to use the Iran-selling-nukes-to-terrorists argument, think again. Pakistan hasn't done it, despite Pakistan having a long history of ties (through it's spy agency ISI or the Inter Services Intelligence) to Al-Qaida and fundamentalist Kashmiri terrorists. Has Pakistan sold nuclear weapons to them? No. Why? As I've stated above, too much has gone into producing these weapons. It's not worth it to just sell them or give them away like candy.
Think about it. If you acquired a very highly priced painting (let's say worth $100 million dollars) after an intensive 30 year search for it, will you allow your friends and neighbours to just grab it and take it home with them? Chances are you'll jealously guard it in your own home. You may show it off, but you won't just give it to anyone just because he/she is your friend. You put your time and money to look for this thing, so you're not just going to give it out or sell it immediately.
Ding Ding!! End of game and apparently Iran is winner once again, Gosh,
It seems Iran alwayes win, It should be something related to genes or DNA or etc. but this win will boost iran security and status for next two hundered years. Isreali, arabs and other Iran enemies faces would be funny to look. US and Isreal want to go to war for 100 kg enriched uranium that Iran has before today delivery but now in first delivery Iran has 82 tons enriched uranium. what a shame for G,Wacker Bush junior our today don kishot warior. Congratulation to all Iranian for such great
victory. Thank Russia for they support Iran nation against these bunch of
westren murderous monsters.
Ding Ding!! End of game and apparently Iran is winner once again, Gosh,
It seems Iran alwayes win, It should be something related to genes or DNA or etc. but this win will boost iran security and status for next two hundered years. Isreali, arabs and other Iran enemies faces would be funny to look. US and Isreal want to go to war for 100 kg enriched uranium that Iran has before today delivery but now in first delivery Iran has 82 tons enriched uranium. what a shame for G,Wacker Bush junior our today don kishot warior. Congratulation to all Iranian for such great
victory. Thank Russia for they support Iran nation against these bunch of
western murderous monsters.
The poster, 'You still haven't addressed the topic, idiot,' enjoys talking to itself in front of a mirror.
Get lost funny clown. I can understand it is so painfull.
If you weren't so self-absorbed, you would have seen that the comment was not for you. But, seeing as how you think your words are important, I can see how you would think that any comment was aimed at you. So, bugger off, funny clown, right back to that sand castle that you call home.
Al right then Peace.
I think you are a frethinker and very rational but you are a victim of propaganda concerning your statement:
'So please, if you're going to use the Iran-selling-nukes-to-terrorists argument, think again. Pakistan hasn't done it, despite Pakistan having a long history of ties (through it's spy agency ISI or the Inter Services Intelligence) to Al-Qaida...'
The only reason such a sale or gift has not taken place is because Al-Quaida does not exist! it is a creation of the CIA and has proven very useful to usurp freedom and liberty in America and is a convenient scapegoat for terrorist activities worldwide by israel and the CIA.
If you remember the hoohas, guffaws and roaring laughter at the last osama tape where it was pointed out he is now dyeind his gray beard or using Grecian Formula 16 it explains why osaner last communication was an audio tape and statements by
AL-KAYDER' are now given by unseen underlings.
You cannot sell or give anything to something that does not exist.
Yes,with all the resources available it is easy to make a nuclear weapon but the only hindrance would be the enrichment process. But which is more cost effective? If wanting gold, is it cheaper to mine by oneself and process or pay the market price (over $800.00/.oz now)? The price fluctuates and the sky is the limit. Once I am adept at my refinig process I can mine all the gold at the same cost as it will not rise while the price of gold can reach astronomical heights. It is more cost-efficient to understand the refing process.
But you are totally wrong here: 'Iran had secret nuclear programs for decades. They didn't tell the US - they didn't tell the IAEA.'
You can read about your error here:
Too Funny: U.S. built major Iranian nuclear facility
-Source-By Sam Roe
Tribune staff reporter
August 23, 2006, 9:56 PM EDT
This was dome for the shah Reza Pahlavi while oil was what,$1.00/barrel and Iran awash in oil? The U.S. has egg on its face, Ha! Ha! The yolks on us Iran has had a nuclear program for decades, open for inspection at any time. The only one calling it a 'weapons' program is israel and its bush regime puppets. This is all pure speculation, but speculation is somewhat based on facts. What we have here is a paranoid psychosis not based on any fact but a demented want to war.
If you notice, the rhetoric did not explode until Ahmadinejad made hie supposed 'wipe israel off the map' speech. For one thing he did not say that as his words were twisted and he was quoting the words of ayatollah khomeini; those were not his words.
-Further Information- Let’s fill in the Blanks in the Speech of Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
By Arzu Celalifer
10/30/05 'Turkish Weekly'
@previous
The US and Iran cooperated on nuclear programs as far back as late 50's. I am referring to Natanz and Arak. These are very significant facilities that were not disclosed, but rather revealed/leaked by internal opposition groups. Because of this lack of honesty on behalf of Iran, we have no idea of knowing what else they have chosen not to disclose. If Iran had perfectly legal intentions with these facilities, why would it hide them?
We aren't talking about grandma's secret strawberry rhubarb pie recipe here. Enrichment capability is very tightly regulated.
I agree that proliferation cannot be stopped. I also think that it will increase in speed. But any thinking person must agree that the more countries that have nuclear weapons capability, the more likely it is that something bad will happen. With nuclear weapons, there are no 'do overs.'
Theocracies and dictatorships chock full of religious zealots who are ready to destroy themselves to kill their ideological enemies with the added benefit of instant paradise - is a worrisome combination. This is especially the case when the 'state' sponsors and promotes this type of zealotry.
Admitting this will not make you turn into a pumpkin and it doesn't mean you have to like GWB.
PS -
'If you notice, the rhetoric did not explode until Ahmadinejad made hie supposed 'wipe israel off the map' speech.'
I guess you don't notice much. But you must admit that his colorful use of language might be alarming to some who are sensitive about having themselves wiped out/off/etc.
Why is it that muslim people expect to get a pass when the chant 'death to...'???
Why do liberals give them a pass?
CHARLES
you used the word ( SUPPOSED ) to describe what Armadinigen was alleged to have said in a speach, IE: Wiping Israel off the map. If you had read the translation by Emminent Israely writers you would come to realise that the phrase attributed to him was a complete fabrication of the truth.
'The US and Iran cooperated on nuclear programs as far back as late 50's.' He then goes on to say: 'These are very significant facilities that were not disclosed... Because of this lack of honesty on behalf of Iran, ...'
You also say: 'If Iran had perfectly legal intentions with these facilities, why would it hide them?' What about your country?
Charles, as the US was involved they must share culpability in this affair. You cannot tar Iran without tarring your beloved america.
CHARLES.
PS the above posting is the last one in relation to your contributions.
Trying to explore different angles to a political discussion is imposible
when one is faced with a closed mind. bye.
Charles seem to have a problem with the truth. The US is the most lying, secret, violent, warmongering nation on the earth. When a sovereign nation chooses not to disclose everything internal, Chuck gets his nose right out of joint. When a person points out inconsistancies in his rhetoric, he goes into attack dog mode. It is impossible to have intelligent discourse with a Bush lap dog who's mind is intercoursed.
@Waine
I have read lots of people trying to rationalize/spin what he said, but nothing softens it. I am open to new info though so please post away.
Here is link the fellow above provided:
www dot informationclearinghouse dot info slash article12763 dot htm
Look carefully at what he says. He wants Israel eradeicated. Look at what he does. He supports/finances/trains armed non-state groups/terrorists who attack Israel.
From the Israeli perspective, this fellow and his regime are trying to provoke an existential threat. This is not a guy who wants to build a constructive relationship based on cooperation, trust, etc.
Do you want to argue that he is not threatening the existence of Israel?
Of what real use is Irael anyway? A country with a population of 71 million, of which 20% is arabic, that would be bankrupt without a sugar daddy. A country that is the most destabilizing entity in the Muddled East. A country that whines and snivels like a spoiled child. A country that has no intention of ever making peace with the Palestinians, until they are all dead. A country that murders foreigners in foreign countries. A nation that bombs foreign facilities. A country that shows no qualms about pulling the trigger at any percieved, but not tangible, threat. A country of religious fundamentalists that is no different from any other religious/political entity. Of what use is Israel?
'When a sovereign nation chooses not to disclose everything internal...'
As I said before, we aren't talking about pie recipes.
Here is the leader of a radical theocracy who is trying to motivate his people to kill. I'm not sure how else to interpret state sponsored rhythmic rabid 'death to america' rallies. For anyone who is not living in the dark ages emotionally and intellectually, his statements are threatening.
He certainly wants Israel (and the US for good measure - the crowds just love that!) eradicated and says it explicitely and implicitely. If I were an Israeli I would certainly not ignore his gestures and rhetoric.
If he wants war and escalation, keep up the aggressive behavior. He might just get it. Don't blame Israel.
If he wants peace and cooperation, he will take a different tone and he won't rhetorically and materially support the destruction of a UN member state.
I look forward to the day but I'm not holding my breath.
The hatred you guys spew is truly awe inspiring.
'If he wants war and escalation, keep up the aggressive behavior. He might just get it.' The only country that wants war is the US. The only country that is truely aggessive is the US.
'If he wants peace and cooperation, he will take a different tone and he won't rhetorically and materially support the destruction of a UN member state.' Are you talking about G.W. Bush? If not, you should be. For a man who would not go to war for his country when he was young, he sure has caused a lot of young men to die. Keep holding your breath. Those two brain cells you've got left will expire from lack of oxygen and the web will be free of yet another Bush apologist.
'The only country that wants war is the US.'
That's your imagination.
Who holds rallies where frenzied mobs scream for 'death to US/Israel/denmark/'insert your country here''
Iran is providing material support and training to non-state terror groups who kill Israelis and Americans.
Israel is not chanting 'death to Iran.' The US - and certainly not Denmark - are not screaming for death to Iran. Do you understand?
Forget about right/wrong for a moment. Who is deliberately creating the
escalation? Who is inciting tens of millions of muslims to a millenium old struggle?
Bringing up GW Bush is pretty pathetic considering muslim mobs incited by their dictators have been burning US effigies since GWB was in high school - if not before. Trying to conflate the irrational muslim/arab violence and zealotry is just plain ignorant.
Charles, Charles, Charles. Everything that you say about other countries can be said about yours. Remember that when you point your finger at someting, three are pointing back at you. Try it sometime. Look at yoor hand when you point. There is a huge difference between chanting something and dropping bombs, so your assertion is a non sequitur. Do you know the meaning of the word conflate? It means combine or confuse. Try picking another word. Have someone who is educated explain its meaning to you, using very, very simple words. To reword your statement: 'Trying to understand the irrational american violence and zealotry is just plain impossible.' And yes bringing up that pathetic little monkey wasn't fair was it? But he is your monkey and he has a lot to answer for. But that is hard to explain to someone as ignorant as you, for you call anyone who isn't in complete accord with you, ignorant. You also use the word ignorant a lot. It must be your favorite word as it describes you perfectly.
Trying to conflate the irrational muslim/arab violence and zealotry is just plain ignorant.
My apologies for previous...
Thanks for that quick definition of conflate - What I had intended to type was:
'Trying to conflate the 'irrational muslim/arab violence and zealotry' with GWB is just plain ignorant.' Because as you know - that hate filled nonsense has been going on since before Bush was Pres.
But golly if you aren't smart for correcting my typing error.
I know its hard for you to consider any world event as not being the fault of jews/US. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
'The only country that wants war is the US.'
That's your imagination.'
Oh, really Charles. Does Afghanistan say anything to you? Does Iran say anything to you? Does the crap comming from thw Whiteahorehouse about Iran say anything to you? To me it says you are a pack of warmongering simians.
In re: conflate. That wasn't a typing error that you committed. It was a brain fart.
Why am I practically the only one here with a name? Weren't any of you taught manners?
'Does Afghanistan say anything to you?'
Are you trying to say that the dark ages misogenists who aided and abetted obl and his aq thugs were not deserving of retaliation and overthrow? Or did you forget that they attacked us first?
'Does Iran say anything to you?'
Iran says a lot of threatening garbage - but I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Did we bomb Iran?
'Does the crap comming from thw Whiteahorehouse about Iran say anything to you? To me it says you are a pack of warmongering simians.'
In case you haven't been following this discussion, government sponsored Iranian mobs have been chanting their blood lust for US/Israel. Their President wants Israel (a UN member state) eradicated/removed/obliterated/annihilated/disposed of/etc. (choose your translation). Iran sponsors non-state terrorist groups and uses them as proxies to attack the US and Israel. These non-state actors deliberately bomb civilians and deliberately destroy themselves hoping for eternal salvation. Throw radioctive materials and/or a-bomb into the mix...
As you can well imagine, the US and Israel have taken due note. They may over react. They may under react. They will be blamed either way. But they are reacting. I know that nuance is totally lost on you.
Iran has a wide open road. They can choose all sorts of activities. I see violent provocation and threats. They are explicit and originate from the Iranian head of state.
It still isn't clear to me whether you argue that their provocations are justified because we have a monkey president/etc., or that they aren't being provocative.
'Charles, Charles, Charles. Everything that you say about other countries can be said about yours.'
Where does this happen in the USA?
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'Remember that when you point your finger at someting,[sic] three are pointing back at you. Try it sometime. Look at yoor[sic] hand when you point.'
Once again thanks for the kindergarten platitudes.
'There is a huge difference between chanting something and dropping bombs'
Iran is simply the worst regime on the planet. north Korea is a close second. Since 1979, Iranians or Iranian funded and controlled terrorist groups have; invaded the US embassy and held our diplomatic staff for 444 days, took American journalists and a British minister hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley, bombed the US embassy in Lebanon killing 17 Americans, bombed the US barracks Beirut which killed 241 Americans on a peacekeeping mission, bombed the Khobar Towers killing 19 Americans, hijacked an aircraft and killed Robert Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac, bombed a Jewish center in Argentina, killing 85, their proxy Hezbollah has started several conflicts with Israel, including the one last summer which left hundreds dead. They still have a bounty on the head of Salmon Rushdie for writing a book that they didn’t like, they have provided the Shiite death squads in Iraq with training and material as well as the Sunni death squads that go after the Shiites with the objective of creating as much bloodshed in Iraq as passable. They have also been supplying shaped charges and shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles to kill coalition troops. They Chant 'death to America' on a daily basis in their schools and Mosques, they continually threaten to wipe Israel off the map, they have mined the Strait of Hormuz, they publicly lynch girls for being 'disobedient', they publicly lynch boys for being homosexual, they publicly lash women for the crime of being raped, they stone women to death for infidelity, they censor their news, They beat a Canadian journalist to death because she wrote unflattering stories, they murder political dissidents, invented the suicide bomber, kidnapped British sailors and holding them hostage, kidnapping American aid workers and holding them hostage...ect, ect....
You are a moron for not recognizing the obvious.
'so your assertion is a non sequitur'
Gee, someone learned a new phrase. You sure are in love with 'non sequitur'... Does using that phrase make you feel erudite? LOL, at least you were able to learn something here.
'And yes bringing up that pathetic little monkey wasn't fair was it? '
You have a hell of a nerve calling anyone else a monkey as you have basically only tossed your feces here.
Your point being? You spend a lot of words attacking others, make no sense whatsoever, and just create noise. The only feces here comes from your brainpan.
Let's see now. We have 'Charles' who is a bush apologist attack dog. Then we have 'Not Charles' who walks, talks and stinks like Charles. Is he just another figment of Charles fevered imagination? Does Charles/Not Charles have a multiple personality disorder? Does Charles/Not Charles have a brain? All that is seen on his posts is programmed bunk from the neocon camp. Typical frigging yank, too lazy to get an education and think, really think about things. But that is america, where everything is spoonfed to you, even what to think and say. A pack of hedonistic, jingoistic simians. Go groom yourself, monkey. Go pick nits.
'Iran is simply the worst regime on the planet. north Korea is a close second' How wrong can one person be? The american neocon regime is by far the worst. How many have they killed in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Lybia, Iraq, Nicuagua, Honduras, Panama, Guatamala, Laos, North and South Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Indonesia and Grenada? What about Greece, Iran(1953) Chili, where the CIA directed a right-wing putsch? What about CIAactivities in Angola. Phillipines, and other countries? It doesn't take much to research the american century of interventions, where millions have died. The americans need to be placed behind a guarded, barb-wire fence and never let out again. They are a nation of psychopaths. Their nation is psychotic.
whines and cries about a few dead americans. He whines and snivels about some students chanting: 'Death to america.' What a cry baby. I am not an Islamist, but I await the day when more of these cretins go down in a collapsing office tower. Think about this Notcharles: Maybe you arses are just getting a little bit of your own medicine back. Ye shall reap what ye shall sow.
re: previous 2 posts
It is ironic and amusing that the last two posts consisted of 100% ad hominem attacks with no relation to thread whatsoever - yet they were accusing others of ad hominem attacks?!? Awesome!
I see no problem with throwing in the occasional 'idiot' or 'dumbass' to spice things up, but please keep at least half your post on topic.
Regarding the informative post before that, I can see why these jokers didn't respond. They can't dispute objective facts - and are incapable of reasonably discussing subjective matters as well.
I will readily admit that the US is not perfect. But trying to somehow compare the truly mind numbing hatred and propaganda coming from Iran and its frenzied mobs (ditto neighboring arab states), with anything coming out of the US is just crazy. If I am wrong someone please show me! Don't just say I'm wrong and insult me. Show me.
If the US can be faulted, its because we are too god damned nice and we can't even begin to imagine the virulent religion inspired hatred that causes people to go on violent rampages and slice off each others heads (don't forget electric drills, car-b-ques, and embassy burning).
They will get nuclear weapons and eventually they will be used and the targeted country will retaliate and the problem of global warming will be solved (drastically reduced population burns less fossil fuel, and dust blocks solar radiation). I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.
'Your point being?'
My point is obvious to a to anyone other then a drooling idiot. No wonder it escapes you.
'But that is america[sic], where everything is spoonfed[sic] to you, even what to think and say. A pack of hedonistic, jingoistic simians.'
So jealous. I love reminding people like you that you are in 'just another country'.
'How wrong can one person be? The american[sic] neocon regime is by far the worst.'
AGAIN, This is going on on the streets of Iran:
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This is what you are defending by proxy, moron.
'It doesn't take much to research the american century of interventions, where millions have died. '
LOL, as long as you are making up numbers why don't you go fro the gusto- Why not 'zillions' or a gogolplex? That would make you appear even smarter! The adolescent Trotskyite living on British welfare says: 'Americans have killed a gogolplex of poooor defenseless people in their neo-imperialistic crusade!' (Never mind that you are less then a generation away from a REAL empire)
It won't deflect attention away from the fact that Iran is bringing destruction on itself, Israel or a western city and morons like you are happy to see it as long as you can spout your incredibly STUPID rants about the country that you resent for eclipsing you.
Fine fool, I am your enemy because I am am American, (how courageous of you! you can assert your sovereignty by kicking your closest ally in the shins! So much for the 'poodle' title...poodle) I can live with that. (Especially since you are completely powerless with only passive-aggressive nonsensical rants on the internet as a means of asserting yourself.)
What you need to devote a little thought to, if you are even capable of doing so, does having Americans as your enemy necessarily make Iran your ally? Think real hard about that... rub both IQ points together. Watch the videos before you come to a conclusion.
'How many have they killed in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Lybia, Iraq, Nicuagua, Honduras, Panama, Guatamala, Laos, North and South Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Indonesia and Grenada? What about Greece, Iran(1953) Chili, where the CIA directed a right-wing putsch?'
OK. Do the math. How many did we kill? How many did they kill? How many were saved?
Show us the hard cold numbers and let's see who comes out on top and bottom.
Or are you just making this stuff up?
It was a tough century to be sure. Me thinks that liberal democracies led by the US directly caused far fewer casualties that totalian regimes/ideologies - and may well have overtly and covertly mitigated the homicidal tendencies of these regimes.
Google this for some numbers: 'Death Tolls for the Man-made Megadeaths of the Twentieth Century'
Good luck!
'whines and cries about a few dead americans. He whines and snivels about some students chanting: 'Death to america.' What a cry baby.'
LOL, fine, just don't expect me to take you seriously when you whine that millions of them have been incinerated in the Israeli counterstrike.
'I am not an Islamist, but I await the day when more of these cretins go down in a collapsing office tower.'
No, you are a pathetic idiot who thrives on contempt. You must have a psychological need to humiliate yourself.
'Think about this Notcharles: Maybe you arses are just getting a little bit of your own medicine back.'
Look at what your 'arses' are getting: No go zones. Burkas on the streets. White flight out of the country. Waves of immigrants that resent your culture and heritage and who are tossing your asses out of your own country, an economy on the skids and an international reputation as our lap-dog. You cowardly, appeasing little fool, the only thing you can do about it is lash out at your closest ally. How does it feel to be so completely subservient and yet repugnant about it?
'Ye shall reap what ye shall sow.'
LOL, you are going to reap your subservience to a far less compassionate master then us, idiot. Take a look at the videos, coward.
More noise guys. That is all that is coming from your keyboards. A tempest in a teapot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Keep the rant up, boys. Let the whole world see what ill-bred, contemptable, buffoons you truely are.
'Keep the rant up, boys. Let the whole world see what ill-bred, contemptable[sic], buffoons you truely[sic] are.'
Oh yes, your breeding and class are on full display as you wish for terrorist attacks killing American civilians. Your intelligence as well.
Wish death on your allies, appease and encourage your enemies. What a cowardly little thing you are.
What Charles and company don't seem to realize is that a post on a web page like these is very much like blowing a car horn. It may be aimed at a specific person, but everybody gets to hear it. What Charles and company are doing is showing the whole world what ignorant savages the americans are. Are you trying for Condoleeza Rice's job? Keep up the great diplomatic effort guys.
'It may be aimed at a specific person, but everybody gets to hear it.'
Indeed, idiot. You have (mis)spelled out your desire to see Americans killed in a terrorist attack, (again) your desire to see the filthy, despotic, theocratic witch-doctors who rule Iran acquire a doomsday device which will probably be used on your ignorant ass first. Everybody gets to hear your psychological projection, overcompensation, envy, resentment, pettiness, stupidity and inability to spell or compose sentences on a 3rd grade reading level. Well done.
'What Charles and company are doing is showing the whole world what ignorant savages the americans[sic] are.'
Monkey read, monkey repeat. You have been repeatedly called an 'ignorant savage' here, now you have corralled all your imagination and brought it to bear on the penultimate insult you could come up with... and what are you capable of regurgitating? 'Ignorant savage'. Well done, you illustrate your lack of imagination as well as your stupidity.
'Keep up the great diplomatic effort guys.'
Diplomatic effort? Lol. Is that what: 'cries about a few dead americans[sic]... I await the day when more of these cretins go down in a collapsing office tower.' was? Are you trying for Ahmadinejad's job? You already have it down. all you need is a cheap polyester suit and a banana to peel with your feet.
I will say this for the Iranian monkey, he is a reprehensible scum bag, but he isn't an anonymous, cowardly troll on the internet like you. Were you to wish for American deaths within arms reach you would be missing (more) teeth. But it is obvious you don't have the guts to do that. You undoubtedly just smile and dance like the rest of them when there are a few greenbacks waved around. Brave on the internet, for sale cheap face to face.
The Canadian dollar is worth more than the yankee buck. Dance monkey, dance, while I wave one under your nose. Now that you have exhibited the extreme primitiveness of the american, for all to see, crawl back into your hole and lick yourself, dog. As for missing some teeth, try it, anytime, heathen. I've got a 40 foot fishing boat and more than a few of you turds are feeding the crabs. Wanna go fishing, boy? I'll pick you up in Port Angeles, December 20, 2007. 0900 hours. Look for the Northern Mist. Wear a t-shirt that says 'Dancing Monkey,' so I can recognize you and welcome you aboard. As if I couldn't tell by that one big eyebrow you must be wearing.
Wow!
Homicidal Canadians proud of their loonies! Now that's not something you see everyday. So you really make a habit of murdering Americans?
I swear to god you liberals amaze me.
Which one of you said you are looking forward to next terror attack?
Now remember everyone - make sure in your next post you call ME a bloodthirsty monkey or other some such...
@Homicidal Canadian Loon with no name
I will be sure to warn my brothers to be careful of the 'northern mist' when they are out kayaking off of orcus or god forbid vancouver island.
Accidents do happen on the high seas, charles. Wanna go fishing?
Charles knows about Port Angeles. Charles knows about Vancouver Island. Charles knows how to Google. Boy, is Charles ever smart.
It is Orcas Island, not 'orcus.' For someone who knows how to Google, you aren't very smart.
@Homicidal Loon
I have brothers that live in that area. On two different islands. One was mispelled - the other I didn't disclose.
Yes I did google your suggested port - and its just an unfortunate coincidence that I have family in the area.
What port do you call home? I do plan to visit next summer. White Rock is a nice little resort town - are you anywhere near there?
'the other I didn't disclose.' Yes you did, when you misspelled it. moron. Stop the obfuscation and dissembling, nut case. You have brothers? You mean to say that their mother had other children that lived?
@Homicidal Loon and other paranoid freaks
Um, feller - as I mentioned, one brother lives on orcas, the other I didn't disclose. Don't be so paranoid.
Tell us more about the people you murdered and why.
they asked too many questions.
'The Canadian dollar is worth more than the yankee buck.'
LOL! A canadian! No one resents Americans like the wallflowers to the north. The 'other country' on North America. The people who are so pathologically BORING that they have to define themselves by resenting their neighbor.
'Dance monkey, dance, while I wave one under your nose.'
I actually have a house in the Nova Scotia. The jig is up, you are not fooling anyone anymore because I have seen this all my life: You have had a craw full of being our second banana. LOL! Too damn bad, a petty spite filled nobody like you is going to be a loser no matter where she is from. Go ahead wave a dollar under my nose, I would love to see your life's savings.
'Now that you have exhibited the extreme primitiveness of the american, for all to see, crawl back into your hole and lick yourself, dog.'
LOL! Yeah, when people think of 'developed' or 'advanced' the first thing that pops in to their heads is the glorified glacier that the USA wears as a hat. Your technological contributions to humanity? Tim Horten's and Molson beer... And both are owned by American companies now...
'As for missing some teeth, try it, anytime, heathen'
Yeah, you write big on the internet, you tub of cr*p sitting on your 'chesterfield' watching hockey and eating your kraft dinner bought with your provincial welfare check... You know that your cr*ppy socialized health care left you toothless a long time ago. :-D
'I've got a 40 foot fishing boat and more than a few of you turds are feeding the crabs.'
LOL! You don't have a row boat you pathetic liar. You are a welfare case if I have ever seen one. Your check is courtesy of my taxes by the way. If Canada had to have a real military you might actually have to work for a living to pay for it.
'I'll pick you up in Port Angeles, December 20, 2007. 0900 hours.'
Yeah, I am sure you would love to you fairy. Isn't it funny how you resent the USA so much but you need to work out of here in order to make a living. That pretty much confirms what a pathetic loser you are. Resenting the ones who protect and provide for you. You just hate yourself because you are such a failure as a human being. A parasite from a joke... LoL...
funny, you were taking him seriously until he admitted being canadian.
If any of you ever took a serious, impartial look at what that dude was saying, you would quickly realize he had you. He was pulling you in and throwing you out like a yoyo. All that you did, with your ranting and raving, was prove that you are complete idiots. I haven't laughed so much in years. What a comedy act. What a bunch of buffoons. ROFLMAO. -Paul
'If any of you ever took a serious, impartial look at what that dude was saying, you would quickly realize he had you.'
Gee, he sure showed us... by making an ass out of himself.
and so the scramble to save face begins.
I'm not sure how the canadian fellow has enhanced his credibility. He is either a murderous cretin - and therefore his preaching to the 'yankees' is quite odd, or he is pretending to be something he is not, in which case he has no credibility. It is one or the other.
Unless its a bit of both with extreme paranoia thrown in for good measure. But how does any of that nonsense support why Iran should have the bomb?
PS - His problems have nothing to do with him being Canadian. It is just mental illness.
As you should know, there is no proof he was Canadian, just as there is no proof that you are Charles. Nothing on the web is as it appears to be. I believe that the posts by Paul and Tran are most cogent. How typical of you Charles to try and get the last word in by continuing the bafflegab. What your latest post shows is that you refuse to accept that you were duped an continue to flame the person that got the better of you. In trying to save face, all that you are doing is showing the world how small and petty you really are. If anyone has mental problems, it is you. And you have serious ones. Don't bother to reply, Charles. No one is listening. Goodbye.
-Michael J. Flood.
Not once in his posts does he claim to be Canadian. All he did was wave the dollar value under the nose of an obnoxious dweeb. The morons that were attacking him, in particular Charles, assumed the country of origin, with no evidence of fact. He did not confirm nor deny. He let you run with it to see if there were any limits to your stupidity. Boy, did he ever string you guys along. Whoever you are, Bravo and Kudos to you Sir. It is a great delight to see these goofballs dance to someone elses tune. It was a marvelous piece of entertainment.
@ George + Michael + Loon
The canadian loon did succeed in derailing topic and avoiding valid points that were made. That's a great strategy when you have nothing to say.
So is he a homicidal maniac? Or does he just pretend to be one online?
Charles, is a fricking idiot. It is charles who keeps derailing the topic. This latest post of his is a classic case of transference. Charles really needs to see a professional about these psychoses of his. He is a deeply disturbed person, living in some form of fantasy world. He complains about somebody else derailing the topic and yet he still insists in asking questions about the person who got the better of him. Charles, that great pretender needs to get real. The topic is Iran and Russian nuclear fuel. I wonder if Charles has anything meaningful to say about it.
@ Harold
I have provided plenty of material and tried to respond directly to assertions made by other posters. Feel free to review previous posts and respond to any.
Here is another:
Do any of you think there are regimes that should NOT pursue nuclear weapons/technology?
Why?
Thanks.
I said:It is charles who keeps derailing the topic. The topic is Iran and Russian nuclear fuel.
Charles said: Do any of you think there are regimes that should NOT pursue nuclear weapons/technology?
I think that makes my point.
@ Harold
Try reading the thread first. We have certainly covered a number of related issues - as well as some unrelated issues brought up by the canadian who claims to have murdered US citizens.
You are a few steps behind. We will wait while you catch up and feel free to actually post some thoughts on Iran's nuclear program if you have any.
To hold your hand one more time, I will clarify. Since many people on this thread have claimed that it is a good thing that Iran has a nuclear program (I think proliferation increases risk of use), I wonder if any of them think there are countries that should NOT develop nuclear weapons/technology.
Do you understand?
Tell us again how 'savage' we are and in the next breath make impotent threats on our lives...
Charles you F**king idiot. You say this: 'the canadian who claims to have murdered US citizens.' Nowhere in his posts did he ever claim to be a Canadian. You assumed it. You neocon retards are so mentally deficient that you make thing up to suit you, and ignore the real evidence. Are you an employee of Cheney's? You are an idiot. Do YOU understand? Or does somebody have to use very, very simple words to explain that to you? Bush is a monkey and Cheney is a lying psychopath. Good Republicans in other words, just like you. When a person takes a global look at the posts, it is obvious that you've been had. Played like the cheap violin that you are. That man did a number on you and you are too stupid to realise it and far to ignorant to just shut up and accept it, like a man. The whole world now knows what a low-class cretin you are. Keep up the blather. You are merely reinforcing that assessment. No one takes you seriously. Except for other neocon cruds, who are most likely you, operating under other pseudonyms.
'John from Ireland'
LOL... Who cares where you are supposedly from?
' You say this: 'the canadian who claims to have murdered US citizens.' Nowhere in his posts did he ever claim to be a Canadian.'
The one aspect I actually believe. They hate like hell being that other country, the only way they can define themselves is by resenting us. It's kind of pathetic because most Americans don't even notice and the ones who do don't care.
'When a person takes a global look at the posts, it is obvious that you've been had. '
A 'global look'? Heh... make thing up to suit you much?
' That man did a number on you and you are too stupid to realise it and far to ignorant to just shut up and accept it'
That 'man' is no 'man' at all.
'The whole world now knows what a low-class cretin you are. '
You certainly are showing a whole lot of class here.
Forgot to add...
'who are most likely you, operating under other pseudonyms. '
LOL, psychological projection? Again, who cares? You are an idiot regardless of whatever hovel you crawled out of.
charles is still an idiot.
All hail the great charles, who knows how to google wiki and gets his information that way. All hail charles, who does not have a real education. All hail the wise charles who will show us the errors of our way. All hail the magnificent charles, who cannot think. All hail charles, who is so wound up in his own self-image, that he thinks he is THE intellect of the web. He doesn't think, he merely reacts in a predictable manner to a given stimulus. Charles is a figment of his own imagination. All hail charles, the fricking idiot.
you are not going to garner any sympathy for any point that you have by talking this way:
'John from Ireland'
LOL... Who cares where you are supposedly from? '
All it does is demean you in the eyes of others. You whine and complain when a poster doesn't put in a pseudenum, like yours, and you slag them when they put in their name and country. How very petty of you.
You still maintain the citizenship of this person. 'The one aspect I actually believe. They hate like hell being that other country, the only way they can define themselves is by resenting us. It's kind of pathetic because most Americans don't even notice and the ones who do don't care.'
I saw no resentment. One poster did the dancing monkey routine. The person, whom you choose to go on and on about threw it back in his face. That does not make him a Canadian anymore than being an american makes you intelligent. He could be any ethnicity, in any country and was merely screwing with your, and other peoples' heads. He did a damn fine job of it too. Any normal person would get over it and move on. But you seem fixated in your desire to always come out on top. You didn't this time and you can't. Look at it, man that conversation died a long time ago. Get over it and move on. And yes, you americans are pathetic. You are also very wrong on another point. The canadians do not hate being 'that other country.' They are not envious of yours at all, they love their country in their own way. Which is not the american jingoistic way. That is why all 33 million of them have chosen to stay canadian and not become americans.
Looks like you have an internet stalker Charles.
'Charles is a figment of his own imagination.'
Lol! A babbling one; Live from her troll cave in her mommies basement, complete with imaginary friends who all agree with her and scary murderous canadians with boats....
Booga booga!
you say: 'When a person takes a global look at the posts, it is obvious that you've been had. '
A 'global look'? Heh... make thing up to suit you much?
It is obvious you never attended university. A global look is when a person looks at the whole issue, and studies the flow of the argument. They are not involved in it but study the progress of it. There, you just got educated, again.
how ya doin, charles? Running another one of your many split personalities? It must be you, for you assume that it is a girl, at her mother's home. No evidence of that at all. The usual erroneous assumptions of an american web imbecile.
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waine UKDec 17th, 2007 - 13:39:41
It's about time Russia cut itself loose from the warmongering Americans
Helping Iran with it's drive for civillian power stations is the right thing to do, if the West stopped the war rhetoric things could be sorted out peacefully, but the neocons and Zionists don't want an aggreable outcome, war is their aim and nothing the Iranians do will stop them, I can only hope that the American public will waken up to what these self seeking warmongers are about, before it is too late.
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