waine UKDec 17th, 2007 - 13:39:41

It's about time Russia cut itself loose from the warmongering Americans
Helping Iran with it's drive for civillian power stations is the right thing to do, if the West stopped the war rhetoric things could be sorted out peacefully, but the neocons and Zionists don't want an aggreable outcome, war is their aim and nothing the Iranians do will stop them, I can only hope that the American public will waken up to what these self seeking warmongers are about, before it is too late.

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Watch out PutinDec 17th, 2007 - 14:22:00

The Israel/Jewish lobby will be doing their outmost in creating problems for Russia.
It is us idiots in the west who are paying the price for Israel’s aggression against anybody who dares challenge their sadistic racist behavior towards her neighbors, we are paying with our blood and treasure to support Israel vicious and horrible genocide and arrogance in the middle East.

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CharlesDec 17th, 2007 - 14:58:47

Exactly!

I think the decadent west should look to mother Russia for moral, political, and economic guidance. I respect their electoral process as well. Much better than in west - especially the terrible us of a.

Putin: Medvedev, I now select you as new President of Russia!

Medvedev: Thank you sir! Since you have been so kind, I think you should be the prime minister!

Putin: Really? That is wonderful! You sir are just too kind!

All: Blame the jews.

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CharlesDec 17th, 2007 - 15:14:30

@Waine

I'm not sure what you mean by 'cut loose.'

The Russians have been helping Iran develop its nuclear program for many many years.

'if the West stopped the war rhetoric'

The Iranian government/theocracy sponsors rallies and indoctrinates people to such an extent that they chant 'death to america' and burn effigies. People in the US see that and are justifiably wary of arming such people with nuclear weapons. Proliferation is dangerous on its own, but if radicals with declared murderous intentions get the bomb, the world becomes a much more dangerous place.

I'm all for peace and brotherly love - but common sense is important too.

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waine UKDec 17th, 2007 - 15:56:50

CHARLES
I know it's a clich'e but I can only think of one country that has actually nooked another, yep the good old US of A, I would rather take my chances with Armadinigen than your President Bush thank you.

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Joe BDec 17th, 2007 - 15:58:04

'People in the US see that and are justifiably wary of arming such people with nuclear weapons.'

Why do you say that? Iran NEVER said its nuclear program was for weaponry. The IAEA sees no weapon development and the U.S. own intelligence agencies find nothing to show an attempt anymore. So where are your sources? Do you have better inspectors and intelligence agents than everyone else?

A wiser course of action by America would have been to HELP, yes HELP the Iranians with their NUCLEAR POWER projects and they could have monitored every stage of development and every grain of uranium and plutonium.

But NO! The puppet bush (bush has a hole in his back into which a jewish israeli arm goes in to move his lips, it is also called a dummy) becomes adversarial and threatens war sending massive amounts of ships off their waters to intimidate them and brings sanctions to the country! Smart move dummy!

He needs to plug that hole up and be a man and American but it is too late.

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waine UKDec 17th, 2007 - 16:07:09

CHARLES
Bush to his friends in the judiciary, ' look lads I havent got rid of
of enough votes with these hanging chads, just give me the job, I'll be grateful' Sure george it's yours.
the moral look to your own corrupt elections before you critisize any others.

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CharlesDec 17th, 2007 - 17:08:35

@waine

'I would rather take my chances with Armadinigen than your President Bush thank you.'

Based upon the level of critical judgement you have shown on these forums, that doesn't surprise me at all. But once your bogey man Bush is gone - and he will be soon, the US will experience a peaceful transfer of power with a very very low probability of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of someone outside of a generations old strictly controlled chain of command and security structure.

The same cannot be said of Immadindahead. In these radically indoctrinated muslim countries whose mobs scream for blood and mayhem at the publishing of cartoons, the risk of 'the bomb' falling into trigger happy hands is greater. The regimes themselves are less stable and it is much MORE likely that weapons would be misused.

We also need to consider increased risks of regional arms race and further proliferation.

Middle Eastern - and most muslim countries in general, are relatively behind the times (to put it mildly) in terms of political development, education, etc., compared to western countries. This just means more risk.

@Joe

'Iran NEVER said its nuclear program was for weaponry.'

So? They also tried to hide most of their programs from the international community and succeeded for nearly 2 decades. Why would they do that if it was peaceful? If you believe the latest NIE, then you also have to accept that Iran had an active secret weapons program until 2003.

What I find especially odd about all this talk of weapons development timelines, is that the US with no computers developed the theory, processes, and weapons from start to finish in three years about 65 years ago. How could it be that with published weapon designs and procedures readily available, and no uncertainty whatsoever about the viability of these projects, that it takes other countries years if not decades to produce the same results.

The only real time consuming part of the process is enrichment. Iran has stated it is continuing and even increasing its enrichment capability.

'A wiser course of action by America would have been to HELP, yes HELP the Iranians with their NUCLEAR POWER projects and they could have monitored every stage of development and every grain of uranium and plutonium.'

Iran had secret nuclear programs for decades. They didn't tell the US - they didn't tell the IAEA. Having official and secret programs are not mutually exclusive as Iran has already shown. Everything hinges on Iran's intents and actions. If they choose to keep programs secret, they will stay secret. If the Germans, Russians, Americans, or even Israelis helped Iran build nuclear reactors, it would not preclude Iran from having parallel secret programs. Do you understand that?

'He needs to plug that hole up and be a man and American but it is too late.'

What will you do when Bush is gone? Who will you blame? Did you blame Clinton/Reagan/Carter?

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waine UKDec 17th, 2007 - 17:46:09

CHARLES
Do you think Israel is a safe country to have neucleer weapons. Here is a country that has threatened to bomb Western Cities if it dosen't get it's way, dont keep looking for bogeymen in the Islamic world look to your Zionist masters in Israel. Your postings deny any culpability of
American terrorism around the world. Regime change all over Latin America regime change in Iran, regime change in Iraq ,I could go on for much more, but I suspect you know your Bush and co are nuts. Regime change is illegal under international law, but when as the USA let a little thing like that get in the way of a nice little war.

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NoharnessDec 17th, 2007 - 17:50:39

Oh, come now, Charles! Surely you know by now that EVERYTHING is the fault of the United States in one way or another. It does not really matter who resides in the Whitehouse, it will be America's fault, whether it's a double-yolked egg or an outbreak of cholera.

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