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Israeli troops take Lebanese shepherd in southern Lebanon
Jan 7, 2008, 18:15 GMT
Beirut- A Lebanese shepherd was detained by Israeli forces on Monday at the edge of the common border, Lebanese and UN sources said.
Ahmed Abed al Aal, was taken from Shebaa Farms in southern Lebanese by Israeli forces, the Lebanese security source said.
The source said Abed al Aal was snatched while he was at the edge of the Lebanese territories just adjacent to the Israeli border.
UN Spokeswoman Yasmina Bouzayian said the UN peakeeping force in southern Lebanon was informed from the Israeli side that the shepherd was taken by Israeli forces.
Shebaa Farms is located where the borders of Lebanon, Syria and Israel meet. Some parts of Shebaa Farms are under the control of the Lebanese government and the rest has been controlled by Israel since the Jewish state's 2000 withdrawal from southern Lebanon.
The United Nations has said in the past that Shebaa is Syrian territory, captured by Israel in the 1967 war. Syria and Lebanon maintain that it is Lebanese land.
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Time for Israel to retire back to their rightful homeland--Russia/Poland. We are feed-up with Jewish control--even in America. Soon,like 911 they will kill us all.
jojo, I doubt you are an American, because we know the truth, America is controlled by the free citizens of America, and we support Israel because they are a legitimate, free, democratic nation, unlike those who seek to destroy it (we, out of charity, support these other peoples - Palestininans in particular - with billions of dollars, in the hope they will choose peace if given an opportunity, which has unfortunately, until now, not happened).
...and to your sideways anti-semitic BS that Israel or Jews had something to do with 9/11 it is a complete lie and we Americans know it.
What I really don't understand is why, when groups like the Nazi's who are so proud of their 'final solution' or the islamicists who are so proud of their 9/11 attack, do some people feel the need to try and say it didn't happen or someone else did it? It seems crazy to deny what the perpertraitors hold as their greatest accomplishments.
Time for Realist to open up his eyes and see the war crimes perpetrated by Israel unto the Palestinian people. Enough is enough. Time for the US government to completely detach itself from this pariah state called Israel.
inlikeflynn,
My eyes are wide open and the only abuse of the poor Pals has been by their Arab buddies. The Arabs chose not to accept the 1949 partition deal, or any other peace deal, at the end of British control. They made war instead and lost, thus they must accept the peace deal they agreed to. The exchange of populations, so I guess the only fair thing is for them to be givin lands in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arbia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen etc, as agreed.
Yes yes Realist, It was all the Ayrabs fault that the Zionists ethnically cleansed the Palestinians, and steadfastly refused to allow their return, on the grounds that they don't meet the racial requirements of Israel's 'Law of Return'.
You really should get REAL.
What is Israel doing in Lebanese territory?
Greg Potemkin,
No one was ethnically cleansed, nor are they being. Because Israel demands the Arabs and Pals live up to their agreements, including the exchange of population (where 3 times as many Jews fled persecution in Arab countries to Israel as Arabs fled Israel to await Israel's destruction) you blame Israel. how foolish. Blame the Arabs who refuse to give their brothers what they owe them.
You toss around the term 'ethnically cleansed' so easily, without facts to back up your hate. Don't excuse the Palestinians inhumane actions (suicide bombers, human shields, rocket attacks on civilian targets, kidnapping and using children as soldiers and to retrieve rockets) and unwillingness to make peace, and do respect the perspective of a people whose nation has been under siege from its neighbors unwarranted aggression for nearly 60 years.
It is a disputed area, historically used for the launching of attacks on Israel, so in 1967 Israel captured the territory.
realist,how did Israel became Israel? what about king's david hotel and all the other act of terrorism committed by the zionist movement? what about settlers? what about jenine's camp? there is not black and white, however the zionist went in palestine killled and claimed not the inverse
Listen to these a-hole american slobs pounding their chests here. As soon as america stops supporting terror states such as jewland, and takes a hard long look at their own state sponsored, world wide war of terror...the world at large might stop viewing the both of you as the worlds greatest threat.
You all sit back and blog while stuffing your faces with cheesies and bigmacs, thinking you are so good and pure. Thinking you have some sort of right to dictate your beliefs on the rest of the world because you carry big sticks.
You are as the germans were due to Hitler. You are all collectively guilty for the slaughter you have created.
Every single american terrorist that dies in Iraq, DESERVES to die in Iraq. Looks good on you a-holes.
The whole world tried to tell you to stop. The whole world told you that you were wrong about Iraq. The inspectors told you that there were no such weapons programs as you blatently lies about.
How did you respond?
You kicked the inspectors out, invaded and slaughtered wholely innocent people. And now you occupy them.
The world awaits your downfall.
to Proud anti American:
Your lies and hate fall on deaf educated ears, now that the UN extended the US MANDATE IN IRAQ by another 18 months 139 to 5, I guess you have to give up the 'world' and accept it is your deluded little corner that believes your dribble. If you really don't like the US or its policies, don't accept our monies. Stand up and support yourself.
...and to gmas, individual actions are not the same as the governments or (in the case of the Pals, a controlling authority), any no one is denying horrible things have occurred, but to try and paint it all as equal is insane. The world has seen the continuing destructiveness of the islamicists, from the Olympic murders to 9/11. Settlements can be removed, rocket attacks which kill civilians cannot.
lets try and be fair here and not just hate the Jews because they wanted their homeland back.
to get real. He cannot see the falacy of his arguments or of his position. This man is not a clear thinker, but another preprogrammed product of the american 'education' system.
...so educate me, my history is factual, I have both primary and secondary sources to corroberate personal interviews and accounts. What do you bring to the table?
what do you know about israel an arbic problem and how you can say israel take the land of arb
'What do you bring to the table?'
How about a Doctorate in Philosophy, Masters in History, Masters in Political Science, Masters in Psychology, and an open mind. I am also a veteran. You may have 'facts', but your interpretation of them is scewed, by personal, unthinking bias. So don't try and bullshit me, or anyone else, about your factual history. So, before you go off an a tangent and wonder what I am doing here, on this web site, I shall inform you. It is called research. Research into the failure of societies to properly educate their citizens as unique entities and thereby let them lead fulfilling lives and not merely create non-thinking cannon fodder for industry, consumerism, and political agendas. You would be a suitable candidate for some testing. Do you wish to volunteer?
. . . Dr whatever, I too have degrees in History, Philosophy, Political Science, Anthropology, Engineering and Industrial Design . . .you still have not pointed out a single fallacy in my thinking, I am waiting. . .
This is too funny. Pardon me while I laugh my face off at your Curriculum Vitae. Your vivid imagination is astounding. Where did you obtain these degrees, at the bottom of a box of Corn Flakes? Or did you send $1.98 to some Post Office Box and obtain them that way? Goodby, and have a nice delusion. Do not bother to apply for a testing session, mentally defective people are not part of the programme.
Here's a novel idea. Withdraw all financial aid and military forces/aid form all of the countries by the United State of America and let those countries clean up their own problems.
If you cage even an animal and torment it continually, you should face the consequence. The Palestinian resistance has morphed into what it is today, as deadly and as murderous as their jewish tormentors.
The jews have refused to recognize numerous UN resolutions to return to the 1967 borders in an effort to help bring peace to the region.
Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has put forward a peace initiative since 2002 but The jews treat this and every other initiative to stop their murderous grab of Arab land with scorn. They continue to build even more illegal settlements because they are so confident that US will continue to veto UN resolutions/sanctions brought against them and continue sending them more deadly weapons with which that they shoot innocent women and children and continue to provide our children as cannon fodder in defense of their shitty existence in the wars they keep instigating against the Arabs.
Realist! It is not 'disputed' territory but occupied territory and part of the grand plan to occupy even more Arab land.
Moshe Dayan 'We would send a tractor to plough someplace possible .. in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that they would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end they would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also.'
Dayan describe military retaliations as a 'life drug' to the Israel Army. First, it obliged the Arab governments to take drastic measures to protect their borders. Second, and this was the essence, it enabled the Israeli government to maintain a high degree of tension in the country and the army.
I wonder why realist or anyone else has hardly commented on the story at hand? Realist, it's ok for a shepherd to be kidnapped, right? I wonder what they had against the poor fellow... just an easy victim, i guess. Realist, you ignore the story where you're posting your own comments on!
To everyone, specifically realist, The shepherd is the 'red flag' to a bull, the 'briar under the saddle', 'rattling the cage' of an angry animal.
Sorry, thought I made it obvious that the jews have been doing this for decades. Particularly now that Bush is in the region, how else to show Bush how 'bad' these Arabs really are and gain some mileage should the resistance respond to the provocation.
For the same reason they bombed the Syrians and expected retaliation after all big brother US is behind them a la Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. They are too stupid to realize that their greed has resulted in our young men/women are fighting a losing battle with the Iranians and stuck fast in quagmire Iraq.
'We shoot at those from among the 200,000 hungry [Palestinian] Arabs who cross the line [to graze their flocks]---- will this stand up to moral review? Arabs cross to collect the grain that they left in the abandoned [term often used by Israelis to describe the ethnically cleansed] villages and we set mines for them and they go back without an arm or a leg' Moche Dyan. For those who don't recognize the name Moshe Dyan is one of the Jewish Gods who put pen to paper before his demise.
To the person calling himself realist.
You denied the ethnic cleaning of the Palestinians, and then asked to be educated.
Unfortunately, this site doesn't allow the use of links, so I will direct you to a blog which i posted on gregpotemkin.blogspot.com.
If you go to that blog, and click on the archive for January 2006 a posting entitled 'Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians' will come up.
Please read it, as well as the embedded links. If you wish to engage in serious discussion of this topic, I will respond either on that blog, or here.
Greg
p.s. - I am kind of curious about the your reference to the 'Pals live up to their agreements, including the exchange of population'. I am not aware of any such agreement regarding 'exchange of population' - perhaps you can provide a reference?
...go look at the 1949 UN brokered agreement which resulted in the creation of the state of Israel, the signatories, including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen agreed to the exchange. However, it is a historic fact that more than 3 time as many Jews left Arab countries than Arabs left Israel. These people were never given their due and instead were given the promise of the destruction of Israel, which did not happen. They have been in the camps since 1949 because their brothers put them there.
...as to the person who wonders about my academic credentials, I first attained my BS in History (Phi Alpha Theta - specialty in post WW2) minors in Poly Sci and Anthropology, I then attained my Masters in Engineering and a concurrent BS in ID, what’s the big deal?
flaunts his alleged formal education. All those BS' are more likely BS, as in bovine scat. He does not talk like an educated person, but more like some nonthinking, reactive, neocon toady. But on the other hand, he does talk like an engineer, all bull and bluster and no brains. And I am really impressed with this: 'Phi Alpha Theta' It sounds like one of those amercanisms that they are so proud of, like Homecoming QueenI wonder if he is referring to one of those college boys clubs where drinking, smoking, screwing around are the main focus of their stay in those hallowed halls of higher education. Or is Higher the operative word? I think he ingested too many chemicals, for his thought are scattered. An Engineer? I am not impressed.
I guess you are typing your comments on a computer, created by the no brain engineers, drive in cars and on roads designed by those know nothing engineers, so be very careful, it must all be bull and bluster, but you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered.
We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything, but regardless, they are there and are not going anywhere. The only reasonable course is to try and negotiate and resolve the conflict. Israel has proven a fair partner in peace (see Egypt and Jordan) the Pals have yet to do so.
The incident at hand is this shepard strayed into an area used for attacks on Israel and was captured by the IDF. No comment was given as to his disposition, however Israel is reporting his detainment and therefore taking responsibility. History has shown in these incidents, if the person in question is not a wanted terrorist, he will soon be back tending his sheep and probably keeping clear of that area.
And you engineers should be forced to repair the trash you design. That way you would redesign it so that you don't have to remove the engine in order to replace a spark plug. Being an engineer is not something to be proud of.
Or are you an armchair engineer, playing with your Lionel toy train set?
As for your adoration of thing jewish, and disdain for the palestinians, remember that there can be no response without a stimulus. Israel provides plenty of stimuli. Israel is nothing more than an ugly, little Spartan state. They are the ones who have earned every rocket fired at them. Israel is an artificial state created by politicians and has absolutely no justificatiob for existing. Everything about Israel is a lie starting with the numbers killed in their holocaust. It could not have been six million. There were only 5 million in Nazi held territories in 1941 and by 1943 over 2 million had been allowed to emigrate. And thet is historical FACT, not historical denial. Before you accuse me of being a jew hater, let's get this straight. I don't hate jews. I hate lies. Lies told by anyone, anywhere, anytime. I believe in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You, by being a closed minded person, by denying yourself the opportunity to see more than one side, for there is always more than one side to a story, are coming damned close to being a liar.
Engineer yourself out of that one.
I agree with you for the most part. And I say nice try, but in order to see the other side, you have to have an open mind. You have to leave all biases behind and look at it, study it, dispassionately. I have found that when a person can see both sides of an issue, then that person no longer has an opinion. They Know. Until a person Knows, then all they have is their own ignorance. That is it in a nutshell. An opinion is merely an expression of ignorance. And there are a lot of ignorant people out there.
From the looks of your post, your keyboard was probably designed by that engineer. There are a few errors that can only be explained by circuitry problems.
...as to the person who wonders about my academic credentials, I first attained my BS in History (Phi Alpha Theta - specialty in post WW2) minors in Poly Sci and Anthropology, I then attained my Masters in Engineering and a concurrent BS in ID, what’s the big deal?
After reading the rubbish you just posted I wonder more about the University that seems to be passing you!
Still you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered. So I repeat...
We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything, but regardless, they are there and are not going anywhere. The only reasonable course is to try and negotiate and resolve the conflict. Israel has proven a fair partner in peace (see Egypt and Jordan) the Pals have yet to do so.
The incident at hand is this shepard strayed into an area used for attacks on Israel and was captured by the IDF. No comment was given as to his disposition, however Israel is reporting his detainment and therefore taking responsibility. History has shown in these incidents, if the person in question is not a wanted terrorist, he will soon be back tending his sheep and probably keeping clear of that area.
And to the person who needs to know and does not believe in opinions. . .wow, since you can never 'know' all the information without bias or filtration, unless you personally witness everything, including peoples backgrounds and experiences, you cannot ever 'know', so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available. That is all we really have, so, based on the facts at hand and my personal experiences I have the opinions I do, and you have yours.
I do see both sides, one has made peace under tough circumstances and made sacrifices to make that happen (Israel) and the other side demands concessions prior to negotiations and cannot even live up to the most minimal agreements they make (the Palestinians), those are facts. Both sides have gone beyond civil behavior at times, but only 1 side calls for the destruction of the other (the Palestinians again).
The person calling himself “realist” stated:
“...go look at the 1949 UN brokered agreement which resulted in the creation of the state of Israel, the signatories, including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen agreed to the exchange.”
This is, of course, complete nonsense. Neither UN General Assembly Resolution 181, (the original partition resolution of 1947, which was rejected by all the Arab states, as well as Iran), nor the subsequent Resolution 194 of 1948, nor any of the subsequent armistice agreements between the Zionist entity and Jordan, Syria, Egypt, or Lebanon contained any reference to an “exchange of population”.
All of these documents are available online at lebanonwire.com, if one has the patience to actually read through them.
Obviously, the person calling himself “realist” is regurgitating some nonsensical Zionist claim which was intended to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians on the basis of a so-called exchange.
This information is being provided, just in case anyone is foolish enough to buy into any of his claims.
'We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything...'
What is this 'We' business? Do you have more than one personality crawling around in your brain pan? And NO, 'we' don't all hate the jews, but we do put the blame for their crimes against the palestinians square on their shoulders.
'Israel has proven a fair partner in peace...'
Only after they have gotten everything they want and then some.
'one has made peace under tough circumstances and made sacrifices to make that happen (Israel)'
What a load of codswallop.
'...so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available.'
It is obvious that you have not used the best sources available and rely heavily on your own ignorance as a basis for opinion.
'...but only 1 side calls for the destruction of the other (the Palestinians again)'
There is one side that hasn't called for the destruction of the other and that is because they are too busy actively doeing it, and that is israel.
I could go one, but why bother, why waste more time, you are just another indoctrinated, deluded, yankee monkey.
'And to the person who needs to know and does not believe in opinions. . .wow, since you can never 'know' all the information without bias or filtration, unless you personally witness everything, including peoples backgrounds and experiences, you cannot ever 'know', so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available. That is all we really have, so, based on the facts at hand and my personal experiences I have the opinions I do, and you have yours.'
So the result is, one should keep silent until one knows. One cannot listen and hear and learn, when the mouth is working. It is better to keep one's mouth shut and let the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove it, as you have done.
It is also a lot quieter and peaceful without all the cackling going on, so, please shut the f**k up and go dig another hole, engineer.
Try looking at the signed, UN brokered cease fire and articles of peace (the articles were never accepted by the Arab sides).
...everything they wanted, well I guess so, they wanted and got peace, they gave the Negev with its vast oil resources as well as all concessions Jordan requested, sounds reasonable. Demanding for concessions prior to negotiations being even begun is not.
...and to the poster who wants me to 'please shut the f**k up and go dig another hole' go practice what you preach. The result actually should be a lively exchange of ideas and opinions, since no one ever 'knows' by your definition. I do know something, you are an idiot.
Still you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered on this incident in particular or the general ideas proffered related to the Arab-Israeli conflict..
'Try looking at the signed, UN brokered cease fire and articles of peace (the articles were never accepted by the Arab sides).'
Try looking at the peace efforts israel has sabotaged, you jerk.
'they gave the Negev with its vast oil resources'
After they stole it in a war. It always was Egyptian territory. Vast oil reserves? Prove it.
'I do know something, you are an idiot'
You know nothing, fool. You are merely throwing out petty attempts to insult. How typical of the neocon. Assume and slander. No argument, no brain, no nothing except preprogrammed hogwash, you are a typical republican. Just like your presidunce, your mind, such as it is, is made up and you will not be confused by the facts. So much for having intelligent discourse with you. Go join your buddies, SPfool, noawareness and charles, they need a fourth for their self-congratulatory circle jerk.
says he is an engineer. I would think unemployed engineer. He seems to spend a lot of time crawling around on the web. From the tone of his posts, he isn't a good engineer either. That would explain why he's wasting everybody's time with his drivel. If engineer needs a job, the israeli need help building their wall. They most likely need help designing ovens for their Palestinian solution.
You just stating that I am wrong, deluded or whatever does nothing to refute my statements you neanderthal. Focus and deal with facts. You are the one name calling, hating and lying.
if realist is merely another one of SPfool's multiple personalities. His latest post sure sounds like that goofball. He says a person is the only one throwing names about. How about this from his posts: ' I do know something, you are an idiot.' I guess, like spfool he has no memory of his words, or chooses to ignore them. How convenient. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You started it 'engineer,' turnabout is fair play. There you go, boy, hoisted on your own petard. Wear it well, for you look good on it. I await with bated breath, your next round of apologies for israel and your next ad hominem attack. Keep it up, boy, for you are firing blanks.
the alleged realist on one hand. On the other we have, shall we call him, or her, the protagonist. For crying out loud, protagonist, stop toying with Realist, finish him off. It is obvious that he is out of his league (and mind, in all likelyhood.) His frustration is showing in his posts. This is getting painful to watch. Administer the coup de grace and be done with it. Show some pity. After all, they shoot horses, don't they?
To all who enjoy a lively, somewhat educated conversation filled with hate and slander: Go Join a Peace March...and do it throughout the Middle East.
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Not AgainJan 8th, 2008 - 10:03:44
Who cares whose land it is, just quit fighting each other, the world is getting tired of it.
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