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Will someone please nuke Israel before they start World War 3.
The falsely pious clerics in Tehran can rattle sabres until the cows come home and it won't make a bit of difference.
Israel is fully justified in taking the most aggressive course possible in this matter. May God speed them and give them every success.
Imagine a world where said jackal clerics of Tehran have all been taken away and hanged by their necks until they are dead.
Yes, yes, yes.
''It is a race against time,' Barak told the Paris daily in remarks translated into French. 'The Iranians are determined to deceive the entire world,' he said, adding that first all diplomatic options should be exhausted.'
Berak should know, after all, with the backing of the West and Americans, the Jews deceived the entire world in their claim upon the so-called 'promise land'.
The land was promised to the Children of Israel, not the Jews.
The Jews were driven from Palestine by the Romans thousands of years ago by the decree of God.
And by the decree of God, they and their supporters will be destroyed.
The Jews are not the Children of Israel.
God gave His promise of the land to the 12 Children of Israel (Jacob) upon certain conditions.
They failed and God send the Babylonians and Romans to drive them out of the land, to wander upon the face of the earth.
The Children of Israel are the descendants of Jacob and Jacob is the son of Isaac, a son of Abraham through Sarah.
Abraham has another son, Ismael, through Hagar. Ismael is the eldest son of Abraham.
A Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother.
Therefore a Jew could not claim to be the descendants of the Children of Israel.
Their claim upon the 'promise land' is null and void.
The science of biological inheritance through the use of dna should be used to protect the rights of the Palestinians against the claim of the Jews.
Iran will get bombed. The downside will be gas at 8-10 bucks a gallon. We should have whacked these guys in 1979-80, before they got this powerful. God speed to the Israeli pilots.
This time around, it will be different.
The difference?
The Jews were beaten by Hizbullah.
The Jews were beaten by Hamas
The Jews will be beaten by the Iranians.
This time around, it will be different.
The difference?
The Jews were beaten by Hizbullah.
The Jews were beaten by Hamas
The Iranians will beat the Jews.
The illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine will end.
RE:'Iran will get bombed. The downside will be gas at 8-10 bucks a gallon. We should have whacked these guys in 1979-80, before they got this powerful. God speed to the Israeli pilots.'
Gasoline will cost somewhere around $12.00/gallon and diesel will cost around $16.00/gallon. This assumes that it all blows over in a couple of weeks. It won't. The Russians may well decide to take a hand in this. It is NOT going to be pretty.
What will be will be. When you threaten to wipe-out an entire people, you open yourselves up to devastating consequences and that's no joke. When you refuse to seek peace, you get war. It's just a matter of time. Call the Jews what you will, but never doubt there resolve.
I have little time for the Jews or Israel. It is time to stop the Iranians who are just a load of Islamic nutters. Iran will definetly be nuked and could be the largest car park in the Middle East. I have read that MacDonalds and Walmart have already ordered building plots.
And which way will the wind be blowing when we start dropping nukes? We have our own troops on either side of Iran. Who will bail the Israelis out on the ground? Hizbollah has been shaping the battlefield to their advantage for years now. Are we ready for a ground war with the Russians over Iran? We had better be.
Is this stupid? Oh, yeah.
I believe there is little doubt in the minds of most rational people that if 'push came to shove' the Israelis would likely decimate the Iranians. It's simply a matter of a near first world technological and military giant against a third world nation that has little more than an outdated soviet arsenal complemented by some recently developed Iranian propulsion technology (guided and unguided solid fuel rockets).
We should focus though, not on who would 'win' such a conflict, but on avoiding the conflict in the first place. Afterall, Israel's destruction of Iranian infrastructure and killing of Iranian people will only harden the Resolve of the Iranians (and there semi-formidable allies) against the Western World.
Also - There seems to be a lot of anti-Iranian smoke in the air that is based more in a hatred for the Iranians than in their policies. Given Iran's relatively isolated position over the last thirty or so years, how can people hat them without really knowing them. We need to give the IRanians a chance to express themselevs and come into themselves. There is nothing wrong with Iran wanting to be a player in the Internatioanl Arena - they have every right to, and the first world should encourage and support their attempts to come to prominence, rather thant try to 'keep them down'
Iran though, has an obligation to provide the world with indesputable guarantees that Iran's rise in political prominence does not pose a threat to either its immediate neighbors or the greater global community. Its a hard task, but it can be equated to a 16 year old getting his driver's license. We want the kid to drive and get a job and be a prodcutive member of society - but first we need some guarantees that he's not going kill people with his car.
If Israel chooses war, we will be set back 50 years. The U.S. has a role to play here, but so do Iran's mid-east neighbors. Both sides need to exercise their dwindling influence on the aggressive states of Israel and Iran.
Thanks for reading my opinion - I've enjoyed reading all of yours.
...you always know exactly where they stand...
the usual us/jew Pro-pa-gan-da.
Negev Nuclear Research Center
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Coordinates: 31.0026° N 35.1484° E
Institute 2, Israel Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC), Dimona, photographed by Mordechai VanunuThe Negev Nuclear Research Center is an Israeli nuclear installation located in the Negev desert, about ten kilometers to the south of the city of Dimona.
Its construction commenced in 1958, with French assistance according to the secret Protocol of Sèvres agreements. The complex was constructed in secret, and outside the International Atomic Energy Agency inspection regime. To maintain secrecy, French customs officials were told that the largest of the reactor components, such as the reactor tank, were part of a desalination plant bound for Latin America. [1] The purpose of Dimona is widely assumed to be the manufacturing of nuclear weapons, and the majority of defense experts have concluded that it does in fact do that. However, the Israeli government refuses to confirm or deny this publicly, as part of a policy of deliberate ambiguity.
The Dimona reactor went on-line some time between 1962 and 1964, and with the plutonium produced there, perhaps together with enriched uranium (see Plumbat Operation), the Israel Defence Forces most probably had their first nuclear weapons ready before the Six-Day War.
When the United States intelligence community discovered the purpose of Dimona in the early 1960s, it demanded that Israel agree to international inspections. Israel agreed, but on a condition that US, rather than International Atomic Energy Agency, inspectors were used, and that Israel would receive advance notice of all inspections.
Some claim that because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors' visits, it was able to hide the alleged purpose of the site (manufacturing of nuclear weapons) from the inspectors, by installing temporary false walls and other devices before each inspection. The inspectors eventually informed the U.S. government that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what areas of the facility they could inspect. By 1969 the U.S. believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon[and terminated inspections that year.
Vanunu's photograph of a Negev Nuclear Research Center glove box containing nuclear materials in a model bomb assembly, one of about 60 photographs he later gave to the British press.The Dimona reactor was overflown by unidentified jet aircraft in the days before the Six Day War in 1967 which increased tensions and may have helped spur on the conflict. Recent documentation released by Russia suggests the jets may have in fact been Soviet in origin, and not Arab as previously thought ].
In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, a former technician at Dimona, revealed to the media some evidence of Israel's nuclear program. Israeli agents abducted him from Italy and transported him to Israel. An Israeli court then tried him in secret on charges of treason and espionage, and sentenced him to eighteen years imprisonment. At the time of Vanunu's arrest, The Times reported that Israel had material for approximately 20 hydrogen bombs and 200 fission bombs. In the spring of 2004, Vanunu was released from prison, and placed under several restrictions (such as the denial of a passport and restrictions on communications with the press). He was rearrested and charged in 2005 for violations of the terms of his release.
Dimona's reactor was defended by batteries of Patriot missiles in anticipation of strikes from Iraq in 2002 to 2003.
Recently safety concerns about this 40-year-old reactor have been reported. In 2004 as a preventive measure Israeli authorities distributed iodine anti-radiation tablets to thousands of residents living nearby.
In 2006 a group of local residents was formed due to concerns regarding health and safety from living near the reactor.
Hypocrisy has been described, alongside lack of sincerity, as a characteristic which attracts particular opprobrium in the modern age.Many belief systems condemn behaviours related to hypocrisy. In some translations of the Book of Job, the Hebrew word chaneph is rendered as 'hypocrite,' though it usually means 'godless' or 'profane.' In the Christian Bible, Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites in the passage known as the Woes of the Pharisees. In the Buddhist text Dhammapada, Gautama Buddha condemns a man who takes the appearance of an ascetic but is full of passions within. In Islam, the Qur'an rails against the munafiq - those who claim to be believers and peacemakers but are not.
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According to the Washington Post, the United States Strategic Command contingency plan for dealing with 'imminent' threats from countries such as North Korea or Iran is formally known as CONPLAN 8022-02. The plan was reportedly completed in November 2003, resulting in a preemptive and offensive strike capability. The main plan involves the preemptive use of tactical nuclear strikes (mini-nukes) on deep-ground rocket/bomb installations, computer viruses, and radar disruption technology.
Truth is, israel is a rouge nation with 150 nukes and a long and disturbing history of being a sadistic and oppressive neighbor. Here is where world destabilization rests and here also lies the reason for the 9/11 attack.
Without doubt this country under zionism is presently and has been for many years the most dangerous obstacle to world peace.
Rouge nation
interesting comment.I might not agree but yes, food for thought.
The American Republic declares War against Iran
Thru powers vested by the Citizens and Council of the American Republic, we now declare War against the Republic of Iran.
For making slanderous threats against the borders of the United States of America by President Ahmadinejad and his supporters, and the various Mullahs who hide behind the Koran like children. For making threats against the State of Israel and other countries that wish to live in peace. For instigating the elimination of Jews and others of various national and religious origin. For threatening to destroy by Nuclear force all countries that oppose its way. President Ahmadinejad wishes to fulfill a self proclaimed prophecy of stupidity. We will not allow this to happen. When the time is right, our forces will eviscerate and destroy all living things within Iran without mercy or compromise, leaving a country without people or things. The United States of America, the UN, Nato and others are weak and wish to allow this little man from Iran to shout threats with support from his Mullahs. We accept his threats and will act.
We are a Legion of many, who will live a life of peace, and have respect for all living things, while having considerations for those who are different, and look for ways to truly accommodate those who are slow in understanding.
We support the poor, helpless, and defenseless people. We support the freedom of Women, we support the sane treatment of animals and the environment, we support the freedom of religion and expression. We do not support ignorance, period.
We are a growing nation of people that encourage anyone or Nation anywhere to become part of the New American Republic!
Sincerely,
Judah Ben-Hur
Ambassador
The American Republic
American Mujahideen Army Council
Headquarters: United States of America
If the event rehearsed for actually comes to happen, then we can be assured that the US is complicit, because we are the only country that could prevent it and the only country (besides our faithful Mini-me, the UK) that would cover Israel's back. Maybe Sarkozy might pile on once the initial danger subsided.
This is the Cheney/Bush administration's idea of diplomacy - a gross variant of 19th Century gunship diplomacy, or an analog of Mafia intimidation of the thirties when they would cruise slowly by their victims in open touring cars, brandishing their tommy guns.
This is what happens when fools, cowards and thieves gain power. Their facade of righteousness no longer fools anybody, except maybe themselves.
It won't be just the middle east, it will the whole world, that will become a fireball. This 'CRUSADER EL BARADEI' is the source of this confusion and false propaganda of the CRUSADERS, COLONISTS AND ZIONISTS. Once these beasts attack Iran, then every zionist, colonist and crusader can be attacked in any and all parts of the world. The scarce sources of oil owned by their allies will be attacked as well and the world will face clamities of grave disproportions.
I suggest before anything prove of Iran building nuclear wepons be given .We already had one fool invading Iraq pretending Iraq was building WMD and helping Al Quaeda.Have we learnt nothing ?Bush has been very eager to demonstrate Iran is behind terrorism but failed to deliver any document of anything else indicating a link between Iran and any terrorist organisation.On the ontrary the USintelligence agencies all claim there is no such thing as an Irani attempt to build nuclear weapons .So ,evidence please....
Let us step back a bit, calm down and think about it. The first thing that should hit you in the brain-pan is that news of an Israeli execise is announced by the US. Stop right there. NOBODY publically discloses exercises. Particularly if it is one as sensitive as one aimed at potentially difficult target. The bad guys get a real heads-up on any incoming. Did anybody get a heads-up about Entebbe? NO. Or the Osirak raid into Iraq? Nope, again. Or the recent raid into Syria? Would you believe, NO? The Israeli lips are tighter than a camel's blow hole in a sandstorm. They tell nothing, not even after it's done and everybody knows. This is a carefully disclosed piece of gunboat diplomacy. It is Bush and company trying their fear tactics through the news agancies. It is a pressure piece, nothing more. A person would have to be a fool to militarily go after Iran right now. Unfortunately there is one dumb enough to do it.
Iran should allow no form of intimidation or threat to deter it from getting nuclear bombs. It is time for Iran to start building nuclear bombs if it is not already doing so. Israel is a rogue state that has committed every crime possible against its arab neighbors, including violating the border boundaries of Iraq and Syria to bomb properties thought to house nuclear materials. Now, Israel is threatening to bomb Iran to stop its nuclear program. Israel wants to ensure it remains the only country in the Middle East with nuclear bombs so that it can continue its reign of terror. Iran has an obligation to get nuclear bombs to protect its people and sovereignty from the likes of Israel. In fact, Iran and the arab countries have an obligation to show Israel that its 5 or 6 million Jews do not control the Middle East or its half billion arab population.
Most of the comments are really note worthy and wise.
But the lessons of Afghanistan, Iraq and N. Korea show that a country with nuclear technology no matter how primitive, would be able to prevent itself from being attack and get the bullies to the bargaining table.
That is the alternative for the rest of the world.
To live in peace, you must go nuclear.
That would interrupt a lot of oil production. I think Bush knows that. Unless he's already sorted America to no longer depend on oil, he won't allow the attack.
in the name of allah
i am sure that we have atomic bomb and we use it for deletion of violator israel(and every one that wants to spoil our rights) from Earth...
allah protecting us from despicable america and israel.my blood and life immolate for IRAN my home ...
In the name of God, protect us all. Make no threats and let others live. Everyone has a right to life (tell that to extremists and the terrorist supporters that blanket this bloggersphere). My country is America; what do you think I think of you haters? To do the right thing we must understand what is right to begin with.
More power to those who believe in the rights of all peoples.
'amir arian' what a stupid name. Can you smell that? Its the smell of pork, thats the smell of down town tehran in a short while. You mu-slimes declared war about 30 yrs ago but tried to pretend that you had not. Even the worst liers are always discovered, as you have been. I can hear Mozart...
The end time is near, the ruin of cruelty is near,the morality of the Qur'an will come to prevail and people all over the world will come to live by it.The immorality, oppression, cruelty, injustice and degeneration of previous ages will disappear in that holy time to be replaced by abundance, wealth, beauty, peace and stability.
and the beginning of this end is : defeating israel.
Americans that don't have any culture,any religion,...
say that arian is a stupid name.(because they don't have any culture,any religion);
It's amazing to me that a military drill by Israel is a call for open season on Israel's ass. Any other country conducting military drills would not get headlines and such harsh criticism.
Don't get me wrong, criticism is ok, and I am against a military strike in Iran, but the hypocrisy in the comments here is obvious. When Hizbollah invaded Israel's border and kidnapped soldiers, unprovoked, no one here voiced a condemnation of their action. When Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip and the Hamas repaid with daily bombings of civilian towns and cities, no one raised an outcry. It's always this single sided story. Israel is always wrong, its enemies always right. Anyone reading such a one sided stance should realize that it is an inert fallacy.
When Israel allows Palestinians to work inside Israel and get medical treatment inside Israel, that somehow doesn't appear in the descriptions of brutality that some of you use to describe its actions.
All this talk about God, Allah Jews Arabs, threats, bombs etc. Why can't this world be full of Athiests like me who just want to get on with life. And this myth about God, heaven, paradise exposed for what it is and that is an invention by man to warp the minds of men so that they can hate each other.
Truth is, israel is a rouge nation with 150 nukes and a long and disturbing history of being a sadistic and oppressive neighbor. Here is where world destabilization rests and here also lies the reason for the 9/11 attack.
Without doubt this country under zionism is presently and has been for many years the most dangerous obstacle to world peace.
....Chambers!?' - Ayn Rand
Still the TruthJun 22nd, 2008 - 14:15:56
Truth is, israel is a rouge nation
sp4 - a red nation? do you mean 'rogue'?
with 150 nukes
sp4 - I'd have them too
and a long and disturbing history of being a sadistic and oppressive neighbor.
sp4 - never mind the gaza rockets, the over-border attacks and kidnappings, Abu Nidal and the other jew killers, Entebbe, etc.
Here is where world destabilization rests and here also lies the reason for the 9/11 attack.
sp4 - the way the liberals tell it, it was Al qaeda who attacked us on 9/11. We've never been attacked by the Jews...?
Without doubt this country under zionism is presently and has been for many years the most dangerous obstacle to world peace.
SP4 - nonsense. Those who wish to destroy Israel are the largest threat to world peace.
if you could just get them into the gas chambers, huh?
about this: 'Those who wish to destroy Israel are the largest threat to world peace.'
Wrong. Stupidity is the greatest threat to world peace. The Israelis and their lapdog, the US, almost have a monopoly on stupidity. Judging from your posts, you have got to be the biggest idiot on the block.
Anyone who believes the 'major-negative-worldwide-reprecussions' crap being bandied about on this thread is a true imbecile.
After Iran's n-facilities are reduced to smoking rubble, the only reprecussions will be of the positive variety.
Let's be realistic here. The evil clerics of Tehran need to have the hell slapped out of them and the IDF is just the organization to do the slapping. Once they are exposed as charlatans and bumblers, the crumbling of their bizarre little regime will be rapidly accellerated.
After the fall of said regime, it will be gallows time in ayotolla land. Too bad all their blind-faith lackeys can't also be hanged with them. On the other hand, rope is readily available and, quantity discounts are available.
ROFLMAO
The next time you're at the RNC, have one of the toe-tappers stick it in your left ear. Maybe, just maybe they'll f*ck some brains into you. You have got to be one of the dumbest morons on this site. You're right up there with EssPee 1/4.
Do any of you ever ponder to consider why Israel is being pressurised to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb? Iran has repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. With an atomic bomb it can with ease achieve this result. Under these circumstances it is not stretching the imagination to say that Israel must do what it has to do to protect its people. May G-D bless the pilots.
Never underestimate what is in a name, (e.g. amir arian), isn't that right, prince heresy?. The shrewd do exist amongst us, at least we can identify some as not being friendlies.
As for the atheist, this world will destroy itself whether 'atheists' ruled or other religious factions held control. Holocausts know no bounds.
These current times have been a great struggle for those who would hope for a better world. Therefore, I believe the cycle will continue of building up and tearing down until there is nothing left of life and the ones we love.
Ah, world peace - a ridiculous myth, an unattainable dream, our duty to strive for, something to occupy the ages....take your pick!
If you keep going around shooting at people. Sooner or later someone will shoot back. These guys will shoot back and they are very very smart.
I have many Iranian friends. None of them fundamentalist or happy with those ruling Iran. But one thing I have come to realize is that one must always be prepared for surprises when comes to Iranians.
They invented the game of chess and most are good at it and treat life as a game of chess. I do not think our current President is as good a chess player as Ahmadinejad and he is pretty dumb by Iranian standards. If their speciall forces are better at playing chess than ours then superiority in fire power and electronic warfare and the like may not be enough. Sure they will not win a war but they will put up a pretty stiff fight.
One thing I cannot figure out is the use of nukes in a confined area. When we bombed Hiroshima it was on the other side of the planet and little chance of nuclear fall-outs hurting us.
Israel has 200 nukes. It cannot drop it on Lebonan, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and maybe even Iran because the faal out will blow back over TelAviv and jerusalem.
By the same token Iranians cannot use nukes in thier own back yard. Besides, if Iranian's really want to hurt us or Israel or anyone else for that matter, chemical and biological weapons are much easier to produce more horrifying in their effect, easy to deliver and easy to hide thier factories. That is why it is called poor man's bomb.
Iranians have the know how and the necessay industrial capacity for thier manufacture. They have had petro-chemical industry for many decades. And look around your neigbourhood, how many eminent Iranian sergeons, biologists, and university professors work here right under our nose.
Now setting up a hughe uranium enrichment complex in the middle of desert which sticks out like a sore thumb and suffer sanctions to make a bomb that has limited use is pretty stupid move and as I mentioned in my previous post none of the Iranians I know are that dumb.
As for tactical nukes, they are no different to carpet bombing with conventional warheads and certainly less feard thatn chemical and biological weapons.
If Iranians are hell bent on killing Americans then they will welcome the chance of doing it closer to home than half way round the planet.
By the same token if Iranians are hell-bent on 'wiping Israel off the map' then they may welcome a per-emptive attack by israel which gives thier retaliation more legitimacy and more support from other hard-line loonies around the world. Again our calculations does not seem to add-up.
We need to be smarter than this. Just because we have the fire power to destroy the whole world 100 times over it does not mean it is our only option or even a smart option.
Oh why must men always fight ?
They really don't know - probably because it's been done since time began, and no one has any idea why, they just do it!!
war is the most craziest action of human. innocent people must lose their lives, just because the selfish rulers and ambitious politicians want to survive and continue their terrorism! please teach people to love, not fight or revenge such as wild animals. if the government of iran is a real threat,it is the united nations duty to dispatch multinational forces
to iran and help people for a free election to select a democratic government. any other military action results to blood flood of the innocent people who have suffered the most dictatorship government in decades and waited for help, however there was not any help! it seems that many countries are taking advantage of iranian islamic revolution! but any carelessness in this regard can lead the world to much problems in the near future!
peter how many years do you live in iran???
a brief about me , my country and my love iran:
'i am an 21 years old iranian,free to elect my president.i love my god ,my family , my friends,my country,my people. however we don't have democracy(==american democracy that carry out in countries such as Afghanistan ,iraq,..in these days)we live friendly with each other.
we have concept like martyrdom('in your religion')that we call it shahadat,the concept of shahadat is that:
if any malicious violator country attempt to enter in our country we defence
from our religion,country,... until our last blood drop.
Israel will attack Iran. It is a power hungry American puppet. Unfortunately the jewish people as one tribe seem to be suffering from post tramatic stress after the massacre of their people in WW2. The abused has definitely become the abuser. The so called children of Israel need to rise above the hatred and the violence and give their people the true promised land, living in peace with their Palestinian neighbours. But sadly I believe they will reap what they have sown and we will all suffer the consequences of their greed and inability to love and forgive.
I would like the whole world to know that it is very much impossible for any man or nation to destroy the Jews. It is a foolish dream. Let Iran go on dreaming.
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