Obama calls for end to Israeli settlement activity (Roundup)

SP4: Golly, what a surpriseMay 29th, 2009 - 19:39:44

This Just in - U.S. President Barak Obama, in a meeting with waste-of-time nobody Gaza President wannabee Abbass, advocated that Israel cease it's settlment building. He reiterated the current U.S. Administrations stance that Isreal become the palestinian bitch of the world, putting themselves at risk by a people who have vowed to destroy their society. Obama's recent glaring failures of overtures to Iran, N. Korea and Cuba responded to by missile launches, nuclear warhead tests, loud portugese proifanity and a Cuban middle finger, were echoed by the Isrealis as they, privately, called him a 'schmuck' and said something akin to 'blow me'.

U.S. Seceratary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in an earlier comment, had made a similar statement, but stipulated that, for a large cash contribution to her husbands 'foundation' she'd buy a condo in a settlement herself and call it 'white water east', and get one Mr. Hsu pardoned, so he could live there permenantly.

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SP4: Golly, what a surprise saysMay 29th, 2009 - 22:14:34

'This Just in '
More like 'this just out my arse.'

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SP4 the traitor at it againMay 30th, 2009 - 04:49:30

SP4 is so off kilter that Limbaugh hopes that HE fails.

It's hard to embarrass a group of bigots and retards, but SP4 just keeps trying to top them.

He was scheduled for brain surgery, but the proctologist had an emergency enema to deal with elsewhere - and the smell was better there.

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tonny from belgiumMay 30th, 2009 - 07:11:44

SP4 is either revising history of will fully ignoring it .What happens if the Obama has asked Israel to stop colonizing the land that belongs to the palestinians ,on which they have been living for centuries .After the so called 'pre-emptive war' in 1967 Israel conquered parts if Jordan and Syria .Those countries cede these lands not to Israel but to the Palestinians ,just like it was done during WW1 by the British (just watch Lawrence of Arabia,it's not even fiction) .Since 1967 the palestinians hav been harassed,humiliated,there villages destroyed,their orchards uprooted,their lands stolen .All in the name of a bronze age religion which claims ownership for a theological racist state .That is history and reality .Small wonder the inhabitants ended up adopting terrorism as the ultimate weapons ,after decades of indifference or hostility from the rest of the world .Read again how SP4 has described the current situation and ask yourself how this abject attitude could lead o anything else but the hostility of the arab population towards the USA .The lies of SP4 and fanatical evangelicals have dominated the US media for so long that very few people in the USA know simple historical facts .THe seem to think that Israel exists for 2000 years or more .Or they think it is perfectly acceptable to steal the land of the palestinians and give it to the jewish people because of the holocaust .AIPAC ,the most powerful lobby in the USA has kept reality out of the media successfully in the USA for decades,picturing Israel as a tiny idealistic state besieged by it's neighbours,under attack from fanatical religious terrorists hating everything that is jewish .
Back to reality and the first clues for a solution to this problem .No decent person claims Israel must be destroyed ,it exists for more than sixty years now,so many people were born in it that it that it became a reality on it's own .But an energetic policy towards the rights of the palestinians must carried out too,giving them the lands they owned for more than thousands of years,land that they robbed from nobody .That means the end of colonization by jewish immigrants from anywhere in the world . Te settlements must be demolished,Israel must stop destroying palestinian houses in east jeruzalem ,the territories stolen after the pre-emptive war in 1967 must be given back to the inhabitants .Without that justice is absent in all of this and terrorism will never end .
For much too long the result of the israeli occupation has been used as an excuse for colonization .Let me remind idiots like SP4 that terrorism was the result of the israeli occupation ,not the cause .AIPAC and Israel have successfully managed to reverse the historical reality into constructing a fiction making from Israel the victim .However they never offer any historical references for that claim,only propaganda and lies .Where is history in your propaganda SP4 ?What do you think is the reason for palestinian terrorism;do you think it is hatred for thefreedom of the USA,or do you think it is a reaction for having their land and freedom stolen ,come on SP4,let's dig into the roots of the problem,rather than spouting only mystification.

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Tonny, from Bilge-ium says:May 30th, 2009 - 21:34:53

'just watch Lawrence of Arabia,it's not even fiction'

Which version should we watch. The various book versions, or the 1962 romantic movie starring Peter O'Toole? None of that bears the remotest resemblance to the reality of the time. Not fiction? Are you smoking some of SP4's product? No wonder you're a Euro Bilge-rat, you don't have a clue.

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tonny from belgiumMay 31st, 2009 - 07:02:44

Whichever version of it you are watching,they all show the same historical fact;the land now occupied by Israel belonged to the palestinians,there were no jews at all,those came trickling in in small numbers shortly before WW2 on account of an ideology brought forward by Theodor Herzl and called zionism.That ideology ws itself the result of centuries of pogroms and persecutions in Europe ,especially in Spain after the reconquista ending 1490 and the bloody pogroms in Eastern Europe that lasted well into the nineteenth century.The rampant racism against the jews however can hardly be an excuse to steal the land of the palestinians .Whichever version of Lawrence you watch or read,nothing of it points anywhere else except to the fact that I've mentionned .The result now is an eastern european extremist immigrant ,freshly out of Moldavia called Avigdor Lieberman,minister for foreign affairs now in Israeln declaring Jeruzalem is purely jewish,all territories invaded by Israel in 1967 are part of Israel,palestinians are scum and never a palestinian state will be establisged,even wanting the arab population in Israel to swear an oath of allegiance to the purely jewish character of the state in which they live .Is that not racism and theocracy ?Name-calling does not solve anny issue,neither do insults .One does not have to be an antisemite to ask for a palestinian state .Racism is definitely part of the ideology that denies the palestinians their rights and keeps them locked up in two gigantic concentration camps,bombing them with phosphorous bombs,shooting civilians at random and opposing them with the latest sophisticated UStechnology when they threwstones in dispair .For decades the reality of the situation was kep out of the media in the USA by AIPAC .a good introduction to reality would be to read Robert Fisk,a neutral english journalist nnot the above ranting from previous poseter offering not a single argument .The first steps for peace in the middle east and the end to terrorism can only include a just solution for all.Failing to deliver on these issues only increase the recruitment of terrorists .Obama seems to have understood this and appears to introduce a new angle of approach into the debate ,introducing for the first time the palestinian rights into the debate .And guess wht one sees on the Israeli side ? Insults and contempt,not much more .Nethanyahu is doing his best to hide behind the Iran problem,claiming that must be solved first .Of course,he means to say that once Iran is dealt with,nothing will happen .He offers nothing for the palestinians but more bombs and oppression.

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Tonny from Bilge-ium says this:May 31st, 2009 - 20:28:53

'the land now occupied by Israel belonged to the palestinians,there were no jews at all,'

Utter bilge. Your understanding of history is about as complete as one could expect from one who knows nothing but Chocolate. Your understanding is as shallow as a puddle of p*ss on an Antwerp sidewalk on a Friday night.
Perhaps you should learn to read the originals, in their original language, rather than through translations. Then compare that to History. They are nothing more than romantic novels to raise the temperature of little school boys to new heights of 'call to duty, honour and glory' fervor. My gods man. Learn how to distinguish fact from fiction. Your home-made Truffle is trifle. Get some real ingredients, before you start being properly called a Euro-SP4.

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SP5May 31st, 2009 - 22:50:42

Regardless of how much you read books and history Tonny from Belgium, there are aspects of reality which your book writers fail to understand and therefore teach you!
Everybody is so fast in claiming that the Jewish lobby in the states is covering and helping the Jews of Israel all the time, covering for them in the media and even robbing the USA of money and aid for Israel.
Why would they want to do that?
Cause they are true believers in some ancient religion?
Cause they feel they need to help their brothers in Israel because they are both of the same religion, and race (whatever that is)? Are you sure?
What if they need them to be there? What if they need them to control the Arabs and the Arab oil?
What if by placing them there, arming them and offering them a life over there, the ones over here get a vast trained and equipped modern army willing to fight to the death against the Arabs?
What if they need them to be at odds with the Arabs all the time and never in peace?
Would relocating them to the USA serve them better, or would that serve the Jews of Israel better if it was done right after WW2, before that area became their home? Who would that move serve more?
If they care so much about them, why didn’t they move a finger during WW2 to help them and only after Hitler lost decisively to the Russians they decided to intervene? Wouldn’t it be better if they made their move from the start, instead of embargoing Japan and forcing it to attack so to start a war with them?
Are you sure there is so much love in this world, or is everybody just trying to help only his own interests?
Can you even understand that?

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DaveJun 1st, 2009 - 05:06:57

To Toni,

SOrry palee-boy but there is no such thing as a race called palestinians. There never has been nor ever will be. It is you Toni who has no clue as to history. Thye are nothing but Arabs from the same identical tribes as the modern day Jordanians. All from the same tribes. IF you knew your facts Jews who lived in the national of Israel two thousand years ago were referred to as Palestinians or Philistins by the Romans. Go read your history moron. I've been there on digs and have seen thousands of Jewish artifacts dug up in the area from 3000 years ago. So don't given me that liberal commie lying crap you try to post on this site. Go to the library, you might learn something.

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tonny from belgiumJun 1st, 2009 - 09:14:03

I never said palestinians are a race at al,barking up the wrong tree.They are the original inhabitants for more than 1300 years in that part of the world,they were part of the ottoman empire ,until they were promised independence by the English if they sided with them against the Ottoman empire during WW1 .A broken promise as the territory became british mandate after that war .The first jewish settlers trickled in attracted by the idealistic solution offered to them by Theodor Herzl,the father of Zionism ,which saw the creation of a jewish state as the only viable solution to save the jewish pople from the centuries of persecution which they endured in Europe from the Catholic and orthodox church mainly .
Feel free to look into history if you need .Sources are plenty .How is it possible that there is still opposition to the simple fact that the people that live in that part of the world still have no right to form a viable country but any immigrant living in that part of the world since 20 years like Avigdor Lieberman can steal their land ?How brainwashed can you be ?

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@DaveJun 1st, 2009 - 09:52:16

Dave says...I've been there on digs and have seen thousands of Jewish artifacts dug up in the area from 3000 years ago. So don't given me that liberal commie lying crap you try to post on this site....
Ok Dave,let 's give back the USA to the native indians.We can do that safely on behalf of your own arguments that ancient artefacts dating back thousands or hundreds of years ago link the USA to these populations ,not 2000 years ago but as recently as 150 years.What does this kind of ridiculous and ignorant do for you now,Dave?
Now let's get serious and pretend you never said that,do you have something else up your sleeve to invoke the right for the jewish people to live there but not the Palestinians .Some more profound racist or religious argument ?We would love to hear of those .History is definitely not your strongest side,is it ?It tends apparently to favour those that post (and I quote you again )... liberal commie lying crap '.
Could it be you prefer your fantasy over established historical facts and those liberal commie crap postings people are right .What a horrible thought that must be for you.

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TruebritJun 1st, 2009 - 13:57:21

In fact, hardly any objective history supports 'lying commie crap,' though 'liberal' is a different matter. Not that much objective history has been posted here by either side anyway.

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DaveJun 1st, 2009 - 15:18:41

Sprry Toni,
Your history is wrong.
'The Truth about Palestine'
'There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us? ' 'The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity.' ---- Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. -- from 'Myths of the Middle East',Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . - Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975

Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns 'Palestine' and Palestinian', and the phrases 'Palestinian territory' and even 'Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory'. All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.

WHAT DOES 'PALESTINE' MEAN?
It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there.

The word itself derives from 'Peleshet', a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as 'Philistine'. The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BC, for a wave of migrant 'Sea Peoples' who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it 'Palastina'.

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name 'Falastin' that Arabs today use for 'Palestine' is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman 'Palastina' derived from the Peleshet.

HOW DID THE LAND OF ISRAEL BECOME 'PALESTINE'?
In the First Century CE, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. After the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in the Second Century CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.

The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived still alive and free left the devastated country, but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly.

THE HISTORY OF PALESTINE
Thousands of years before the Romans invented 'Palastina' the land had been known as 'Canaan'. The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state.

After the Exodus from Egypt probably in the Thirteenth Century BC but perhaps earlier -- , the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan. There they formed first a tribal confederation, and then the biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the post-biblical kingdom of Judea.

From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in 'Palestine' west of the Jordan River. (In biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.)

After the Roman conquest of Judea, 'Palastina' became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced 'Falastin'.

In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina converted to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture.

In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.

During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces 'Palestine' was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations.

THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME
Travellers to Palestine from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins

Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds. - English pilgrim in 1590

The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population' -- British consul in 1857

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction. . . . One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings.

For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee . . . Nazareth is forlorn . . . Jericho lies a moldering ruin . . . Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation . . . untenanted by any living creature . . . .

A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds . . a silent, mournful expanse . . . a desolation . . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . . Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country . . . .

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovely . . . . -- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867

The restoration of the 'desolate and unlovely' land began in the latter half of the Nineteenth Century with the first Jewish pioneers. Their labors created newer and better conditions and opportunities, which in turn attracted migrants from many parts of the Middle East, both Arabs and others.

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, confirmed by the League of Nations Mandate, commited the British Government to the principle that 'His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. . . . ' It was specified both that this area be open to 'close Jewish settlement' and that the rights of all inhabitants already in the country be preserved and protected.

Mandate Palestine originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, and the territories between them. However, when Great Britain's protégé Emir Abdullah was forced to leave the ancestral Hashemite domain in Arabia, the British created a realm for him that included all of Manfate Palestine east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later Jordan.

By this political act, that violated the conditions of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, the British cut more than 75 percent out of the Jewish National Home. No Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan.

Less than 25 percent then remained of Mandate Palestine, and even in this remnant, the British violated the Balfour and Mandate requirements for a 'Jewish National Home' and for 'close Jewish settlement'. They progressively restricted where Jews could buy land, where they could live, build, farm or work.

After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel was finally able to settle some small part of those lands from which the Jews had been debarred by the British. Successive British governments regularly condemn their settlement as 'illegal'. In truth, it was the British who had acted illegally in banning Jews from these parts of the Jewish National Home.

WHO IS A PALESTINIAN?
During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as 'Palestinians' including those who served in the British Army in World War II.

British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed -- after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that 'So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . .' Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900.

The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and 'displaced' them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine 'displaced' the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a 'Palestinian refugees'.

Casual use of population statistics for Jews and Arabs in Palestine rarely consider how the proportions came to be. One factor was the British policy of keeping out Jews while bringing in Arabs. Another factor was the violence used to kill or drive out Jews even where they had been long established.

For one example: The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua long before it was King David's first capital. In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British -- killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community.

For another example: In 1948, Trans-Jordan seized much of Judea and Samaria (which they called The West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the Old City. They killed or drove out every Jew.

It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so. In contrast, Israel eventually allotted 17 percent of Mandate Palestine has a large and growing population of Arab citizens.

FROM PALESTINE TO ISRAEL
What was to become of 'Palestine' after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947. During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on 'Palestine'.

'There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.' -- Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

'There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not' -- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

'It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.' -- Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956,

By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948. During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The 'Palestinians' never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it,much less demanded it.

Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would 'not begrudge' the Jews the 'little notch' promised to them.

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