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Fifth terrorist suspect arrested in Britain (1st Lead)
Jul 1, 2007, 12:23 GMT
Police take control at the Glasgow airport as they wave away spectators near the terminal building after a burning car was driven into the front of the building, Glasgow, Britain, 30 June 2007. EPA/IAN STEWART
London - A person was arrested in the British city of Liverpool in connection with the attempted car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow, police reported Sunday, bringing the total number of suspects detained to five.
Details were not yet known about the Liverpool arrest.
The four previous arrests included two men who were in a burning vehicle driven into Glasgow airport Saturday and two suspects arrested in Cheshire in connection with Friday's discovery of two car bombs in London.
The fifth arrest comes as British police were searching for terrorism suspects at several houses near Glasgow airport, British media reported.
Lord Stevens, an adviser to the new British government, stated that there was a connection between terrorist activities in Iraq and recent attempts in Britain, the British Sunday News of the World reported Sunday.
The report cited Lord Stevens as saying Friday and Saturday's would-be attackers in Britain were using the same bomb-making techniques that are used in the current Iraq insurgency and in the Bali terrorist attacks in 2005.
The British adviser said that it was not credible that disaffected young British Muslims were simply learning terror methods over the internet, but rather the tactics were being 'imported from Baghdad.'
In an interview with the BBC on Sunday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the failed car bomb attacks were attempts to kill many people and cause major damage.
The new prime minister, who replaced Tony Blair on Wednesday, said that it is clear Britain is confronted by people with connections to the al-Qaeda terror network.
'The first duty of the government is the security and safety of all the British people, so it is right to raise the level of security at airports and in crowded places in the light of the heightened threat,' the prime minister said.
Britain's threat level is 'critical,' the highest level and one that indicates that attacks are 'imminent.'
Brown warned that the terrorist threat will be 'long-term and sustained' and he asked the public to be 'constantly vigilant.'
'We have to fight it in a number of different ways - militarily, by security, by police, by intelligence,' Brown said. 'We've got to also fight it as a battle of hearts and minds.
On Saturday a Jeep Cherokee was driven into the curbside doors of the airport's terminal building. The vehicle burst into flames as it crashed into the glass front doors of the check-in terminal about 3:15 pm (1415 GMT) but it did not fully explode.
The car did not completely enter the terminal building, but the ensuring fire did extensive damage. One person was slightly injured.
One of the two suspects arrested after climbing out of the blazing Jeep was being treated at Royal Alexandria Hospital in nearby Paisley.
Scottish Police Chief Constable William Rae said the suspect had suffered severe burns and was in critical condition. Witnesses said that the man's hair and much of his clothes and skin were burned off.
The second suspect arrested at the airport was being held at high- security Govan police station.
Scottish police said late Saturday that the attack on Glasgow Airport seemed linked to Friday's two foiled car bombings in London.
'There are clearly similarities,' Rae told a press conference. 'And we can confirm that this is being treated as a terrorist incident.'
In both the London and Glasgow attacks, automobiles appeared to have been rigged as fuel-air bombs, fuelled by both petrol and propane gas. Broadcaster BBC reported late Saturday that the wreckage of the Jeep Cherokee contained several propane cylinders, as did the undetonated London car bombs.
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Attempted murder of innocents has no excuse and does not need your craven apologies.
High time there was more than the deafening silence from British Muslims about these atrocities.
If you are a member of the Islamic community that morally and financially supports these would-be murderers, expect to be stopped and searched in the street, expect to be seen as a suspect, expect to be criticised - or else renounce your murderous creed.
I am a member of white middle class Britain that has been forced against my will to fund decades of attrocities against muslims on all sorts of levels. Why do you assume I have to be Muslim to acknowledge what we have done to them? Do you not see that peace brings peace and war brings war. Oh, you are too busy reading the script the neocons wrote for you.
I'm not assuming you're a Muslim, only perceiving that you are an idiot.
Unfortunately, there are always people ready to apologise for being victims and implicitly asking for more. We Scots don't feel like that today - we too thank that Muslims have something to answer for.
Ian McCulloch
... are not righting a wrong, they haven't suffered 'Western Imperialism' or any other such nonsense. They're pursuing the hostile anti-Christian, anti-Jewish anti-anybody who is not a Muslim politic.
America is not a valid excuse for Islamic violence. The truth is that Islam has had a long and blood history of violence – long before America was ever discovered.
What is so interesting about all this type of UK/US bemoaning, is that it separates those in the Middle East from any and all responsibility in these matters.
If for example, the US, UK or Russia were meddling in Middle Eastern affairs, it was precisely because someone in the Middle East thought they could gain something by it. And when the deal goes bad, or it is exposed [not counting all the successful deals], then and only then do we hear all the anti-western sentiments.
[All those poor Muslims – the victims of outside influence – again!]
Hmm.…
Either Muslims are going to behave in the Western/non-Islamic world [including the Buddhist regions] or their movement is going to have to be restricted to those parts which are Islamic.
Then they can bemoan that !
Like school - the world is going to make Muslims sit in the corner.
Muslims simply make a point of giving themselves a western name in these columns and spread their religious propaganda message > it is so obvious.
It is difficult for them to see their dreams of Islamic domination of Europe and then the world draining away with every terror attack and honour killing.
It is the Western dommination of the Middle East that is causing the problems. You can throw all sorts of jibes at Muslims but at the end of the day the facts are the facts. We (our politicians) started it. We can end it just as soon as we wish. And we can paint it any way we like while we hide our heads in the sand. But if we kill their children then they will want to kill us. This doesn't make them somehow more evil than us. That makes them human. We need to resolve the source of this problem (our treatment of the Middle East, etc.) to make it possible to resolve the problems of terrorism, on both sides. No amount of rascism is going to change this. You need to put the blame for this at the feet of the western politicians who started this. They thought they were immune from the fall out, but we are catching it now. We should have spoken out long ago. These words would be true no matter the colour of my skin. But it does amuse me that you think I am Muslim. I am not a Muslim. I am British and white. Try to think about the subject at hand without automatically using the justifications taught you by Bush et al. You will see a very sickening picture of what we have done. Slowly you may become aware, and eventually the evil may even be ended. We can hope.
I think you are thoroughly confused about who thinks what.
Just for your info, Bush is American not British.
We all understand that you are saying you are not a muslim.
That changes nothing about where folks think the responsibilities lie.
BOSWELL you are an idiot. You really need to look at history. The massacre of several million Armenians would be a good start. Slavery needs to be looked at, the Barbary pirates and why Britain bombarded Algiers. The Arabs involvement in the slave trade. Concubines and eunochs etc.
When you have done all that you might be interested in researching about the real Mohammed. Not the rose coloured version found in Arabia but the lying, murdering, slave trading, war mongering rapist and pedophile that he really was.
You then may change your mind about the 'guilty' West that deserves all it gets and find out that the rest of the world has had fatal problems with Islam since Muhammed heard the voice of Gabriel in a cave. It could have been Lucifer of cource but I think he made the whole thing up to further his lust for power and little girls.
I feel sorry for innocent muslims in Glasgow as I think they will have become targets for revenge attacks .
It pains one to read of the naievete of apologists like Bosley who choose to
assign blame for moslem terrorist actions to our government and that of our allies.The moslem world has a long bloody history of using murder and terror in furtering their goal of world domination,Fortunatly for the west they are often unable to form powerful military unions because they are too busy killing each other in factional disagreements.Look back on history and one sees that moslems use terror to create unrest and gain their goals over vast portions of the world.The Iraqi Uprising in the 40's,the creation of Pakistan,the attempted destruction of the infant state of Isreal at its inception by U.N. mandate...right down to the current problems caused by these unreasonable fanatics!Hijackings,kidnappings,murder.bombings for the better part of the last half century!!!Bush-Blair have finally taken the correct stance:Enough is Enough.I fear we have been perhaps too careful in our attempts to keep down their civilian casualties,but they must be fought and stopped.Violence is the only language they understand! A policy of 'leaving them alone' is what got us where we are today! Time has come to 'neuter' this menace by whatever means is required.Be prepared to see it happen as it is the only way for our civilization to survive without conversion to ISLAM!
Boswell, you have an extraordinarily polarised view of the West's 'treatment' of ME. Most of the ME's problems stem from it's own autocratic and selfish Muslim dictators who have caused such backwardness and poverty to their own populations. They have exploited their national oil wealth for personal private use whilst Islam has been used as a tool of repression. It is nonsense to try to lay the blame for that at the door of the 'West'.
Folk could be forgiven for thinking you are a Muslim because your curious 'Islamic' way of pretending that all Muslim problems are a consequence of some mysterious Western malice ... is indeed entirely Islamic - and characteristic self-justifying nonsense!
Tell me this is not all about the Islamization of Europe and then the world.
The religious point of these attacks often overlooked by the Socialist High-Hopers - the 'Bush is the Biggest Terrorist' lot.
Please explain how it is that attacking a disco [a non-Muslim entity] fits into your view of perfect socialist world governance.
In fact it is probably true - that your refusal to accept that Islam is a religion - with obvious religious/political objectives - that the Muslims are using this to hinge on and further their real objectives here in Europe.
Like the setting up of an Islamic State here in the UK. I suppose you hadn’t heard !!
Oh don't tell me your Socialist non-religious ideology won't allow you to figure out the obvious. The first day you can not walk out of the house in your own clothes, and have to wear the ones they assign you, you will understand the real aim of the thing you think you can appease.
Don’t forget the very people who assisted in helping the Iranian revolution were taken out the back and shot. You have to understand if you are not Muslim you are playing a deadly game – as even the Muslims are afraid of this lot.
'I am a member of white middle class Britain that has been forced against my will to fund decades of attrocities against muslims on all sorts of levels'
You are either a liar or a lunatic. My guess: Liar. Either way, some British are not willing to live on their knees to islamism. There have been deadly islamist attacks in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and everywhere else they want to throw their weight around.
So anyone who would defend these monsters is a miserable piece of s***.
So anyone who would defend these monsters is a miserable piece of s***.
Now that arrests of 'Asian' suspects has begun, we can still all relax for the moment until someone carelessly uses the 'M' word and then we will have to fasten our seatbelts for the torrent of outrage that we in the West have brought all this on upon ourselves by oppressing, insulting and just generally not doing enough to accommodate and ass-kiss the elitist, racist practitioners of Islam.
Boswell, There has been much discussion on these pages as to whether you are a muslim, a liar or perhaps both, it actually matters not, the real fact is that you are a deluded retard. I wonder how forgiving you would be if a member of your family was to fall victim to the dispicable acts of terrorism, whatever thier cause or religion be.
Wiki
'Hugues de Payens (English: Hugh of Payens) (c. 1070 - 1136), a French knight from the Champagne region, was the co-founder and first Grand Master of the Knights Templar. With Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, he created the Latin Rule, the code of behavior for the Order.'
Ok - Let me see if I can get it right > here it goes > Crusader, Imperialists, Colonizers, Infidel Invaders > Oh Behave !!
'A Glaswegian in exileJul 1st, 2007 - 15:40:46
I feel sorry for innocent muslims in Glasgow as I think they will have become targets for revenge attacks'
I think that might be a problem, but limited hopefully. I was chatting to the Asian guys who run the shop below our apartment and they were a little concerned...especially as we are in Polockshields where the two communites live side by side.
But I think most people realise this is the work of muslims with very extreme views and not the majority, who just want to get on with life and making a living. Maybe a march 'not in my name' by the wider muslim community would be a good idea.
At least the terrorists in Glasgow were not too efficient. Seems the chap who self-immolated was none to happy about being put out.
Also having two of them, plus maybe the other 3 who have been arrested, alive will be very helpful especially if part of a bigger cell.
It is such a waste of time since at best all they are doing is making life harder for fellow muslims living in the west. As well as making people less sympathetic to some of the genuine injustices in the Middle East.
''It is the Western dommination of the Middle East that is causing the problems.''
I deeply resent this observation. How, pray tell, does it explain the bombing of night-clubs because dancing young women in attendance are perceived by islamo-nazis to be ''promiscuous''?
The latest in:
The suspects were not 'British Subjects' but were ':Middle Eastern'
Oh thank God. We can all now go back to sleep.
Gee, I wonder who was helping them in merry old England (and Scotland).
I wonder if they were 'British Subjects' who were 'Asian' or 'Middle Eastern'
Don't you people read those surverys of 'British Subjects' of Muslim persuasion who in shockingly high proportions sympathize with these murders of fellow British Subjects?
If they do not like this country, they do not have to live here. Australia has the right idea. If you want to live in Australia, you live like an Australian. This country is far too soft, we let 'people' walk all over us. To say our country deserves to be attacked is an absolute joke!! We do nothing but help other countries out. We are a country that wants world piece and to put and end to poverty, but we get nothing back. We let illegal immagrants stay in our country and scrounge off our government. What do we get for this.. Attacked! Unbelievable!!! Im proud to be Scottish our country and our people will always stick together. We will not tolerate these atacks, we will fight back and we will never be defeated.
Well Andy, you are entirely right.
Yes the Aussies do have it right.
We, in Canada have our politically correct idiots, but we don't have the absurd numbers of Muslims that you have.
I have to say that despite your demographics, I really don't understand how there are so many totally deluded people in the U. K.
You better wake up and put these people in their place and show them the door if they don't integrate and accept your values.
The Jihadist Warriors need go back to their history books, if Mohammed has not forbade history books. During WWII, the U. S., in concert with Great Britain and their allies, fought a two front war against the Germans and the Japanese, aka the 'Axis'. Shortly after VE Day, (as in Victory in Europe) the U. S. planned a massive invasion of Japan in order to end the Japanese threat. Harry Truman was the U. S. president at that time and was advised that an invasion of Japan would result in massive U. S. deaths. After due consideration Mr. Truman ordered the use of the Atomic Bomb on two cities in Japan. Shortly after the second bomb was dropped, Japan sued for peace. The lesson of those events is two fold; first, those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it; second, never forget that the U. S. will not allow, ultimately, an enemy to win against the U. S. and its Allies. The firepower available to the U. S. is unimaginable. If used in in a full scale war, it would incenerate the Mid East. Those terrorists who claim that the U. S. is a paper tiger, have forgotten the past. If they push the U. S. hard enough, they will be reminded in the harshest of terms, as were all of those long ago enemies of the U. S., Britain and their allies, that the Western world is not a paper tiger.
Also during WWII, the U. S. rounded up non-Japanese combatants and clapped them in internments camps until the war was over. That could not only happen again here in the U. S., but it could happen in other countries allied with the U. S. and against the 'forces' of Islam if it became evident that those selfsame 'non-combatants' were infiltrated with terriorists.
The forgotten dust of the Jihad Warriors will be blown into the winds of history if they continue this war!
I think Boswell is Tonny from Brazil.
So much talk of how the Muslims deserve it. Well, we gave it to them for ten years in Iraq before the second gulf war. We killed well over a million Iraqis through our sanctions. Most of them were children. Such was the design of George Bush Sr. and John Major. Why? Because, as most of you say, they deserve it because of what some people did a thousand years ago? What of Israels occupation of Lebannon? How many more died there for our ends? It is easy for us to forget and sweep under the carpet when it's not us that has to pay the price. Are you completely ignorant of the political forces at work in the west? You have all shown that your respect for the law extends as far as it is convenient. Now that the system of law and order is starting to break down you point the finger and scream 'rascist maniacs'. What do you call our soldiers travelling to other countries to fight wars for our politicians? Naive? Blood thirsty murderers? It all depends on your point of view and it doesn't matter. At the end of the day they are carrying out someone elses agenda. No wonder we have come to this situation. You condemn us all to a third world war (which, I might add, has been the plan of the Neocons for some time.) through your support and ignorance - support of war planned and started by the west in which the people in the third world (did you forget them?) die. How can you support that? Oh, you heard a catchy sound-bite, did you? Or do you just not give a damn?
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BoswellJul 1st, 2007 - 13:09:38
Even if none of the public deserves this kind of attack, our country as an entity does deserve to be attacked. This whole situation is the result of Tony Blair's (and many previous leaders) policies of partisanship and support of a terrible war with a terrible cost, and the many previous decades of abuse. Many will say Muslims deserve to die. But that rascism is the very thing that has allowed our country to do so much worse on such a vast scale than a little flames, and the lure of the dollar. We should look squarely to those who started the whole thing - our own leaders. We are facing a counter attack - not even one of George Bush's 'pre-emptive strikes'. Why did we attack and connive in the first place, over the course of the last century? Because we just did not care. Well, now the chickens have come home to roost, and more innocent people are going to die. We should be trying for peace ourselves for once. Only then will we be left in peace ourselves.
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