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Outside View: The real Axis of Evil

By Fred Stakelbeck Apr 27, 2007, 12:53 GMT

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Bill MurrayApr 28th, 2007 - 08:06:05

Your document is an excellent example of the epitome of irrational conclusions...

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brianMay 20th, 2007 - 07:45:14

China, Russia and Iran are all joining to stop american Zionists from threatening the rest of the world.
America britain and israel are the real axis of evil and since the UN is slow to stop them the big players have to get together and stop them from starting any more wars

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tonny from belgiumMay 22nd, 2007 - 08:49:45

Does nobody in the USA ever get bored of so called experts on international affairs ?Most of these guys have no expertise at all but are just propaganda editors from neocon thinkthanks ,inventing whatever treath is necessary for their commanders behind the curtains .
One example is the lack of any logics when citing China as the biggest challenger of the USA .We are made to believe that China is out to destroy the West ?In what accounts ?DEfectors ?That is the same kind of people telling us that Iraq had the capability to hit Washington with nuclear missiles or other weapons of mass destruction.One should know that defectors have their own reason to tell whatever serves them .So keep a critical eye on that kind of arguments .Furthermore China is presented as a potential danger because it destroyed one of it's own sattelites .Now tell me what trhe USA would do if the sky over it was covered with Chinese spy sattelites ?Nothing ?Oh I dont think so .THe whole logic of this article is peppered with the logic that whoever dares to protest and challenge the world hegemony of the US is a treath .Not in my opinion .Nowadays the world is out of balance ,the USA is the biggest military spender and so it would be illogical for China or any other country to sit on it(s ass and do nothing at all.Then they would be subjected to bullying and arrogance .Like the installing of missiles on the borders of Russia as presented by Condoleeza Rice recntly .Remember whet Kennedy did during the Cuba crisis.Now tell me why should Putin behave any differently .
But you will not find this kind kind of logic in the article .THe so called expert is just another biased neocon crony getting his orders from the armament industry always on the lookout for an extra buck .

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NoharnessMay 22nd, 2007 - 12:06:28

RE: 'Does nobody in the USA ever get bored of so called experts on international affairs?'

Certainly we do, Tonny, but I would remind you that this is not a site hosted in the United States and there are no Americans, as far as I know, making editorial decisions for M&C. Most Americans eyes glaze over when any of these guys start talking or writing, whether they be left-handed wingnuts or right-handed wingnuts.

RE:'Most of these guys have no expertise at all but are just propaganda editors from neocon thinkthanks ,inventing whatever treath is necessary for their commanders behind the curtains.'

Okay, Tonny. We understand you do not like the Neo-Conservatives, but here is a question for you. Do you know who and what the dreaded 'neocons' are? Judging from your posts you do not.


RE: 'One example is the lack of any logics when citing China as the biggest challenger of the USA .We are made to believe that China is out to destroy the West ?In what accounts ?DEfectors ?'

You should try reading the Chinese papers once in a while, Tonny. They do publish English language versions of them on the web. You might also give listening to what Chinese leadership says and watch what they do from time to time. I noticed that you do not mention this from the article:

'In addition, China’s ruling communist party continues to pursue the mandatory transfer of highly sophisticated, defense-oriented technologies by foreign companies to Chinese companies as a precursor for access to lucrative domestic markets, posing an even greater danger to U.S. national security.'

This, of course, says more about American failings than it does about Chinese successes. We really are trading our heritage for a mess of pottage here.

RE:'That is the same kind of people telling us that Iraq had the capability to hit Washington with nuclear missiles or other weapons of mass destruction.One should know that defectors have their own reason to tell whatever serves them .So keep a critical eye on that kind of arguments.'

Indeed you are correct. Human intelligence is always tricky and one should always be aware that a defector will NECESSARILY have a strongly biased view of his or her former government.

RE: 'Furthermore China is presented as a potential danger because it destroyed one of it's own sattelites .Now tell me what trhe USA would do if the sky over it was covered with Chinese spy sattelites ?Nothing ?Oh I dont think so .'

Here your thoughts are in complete error. We expect to be spied upon. We are spied upon constantly. It is old news. The Soviet Union spied upon us constantly with every means available to it. We did little or nothing to prevent it. We have done little or nothing to stop the Chinese from spying on us and are unlikely to do so anytime soon.

RE: 'THe whole logic of this article is peppered with the logic that whoever dares to protest and challenge the world hegemony of the US is a treath .Not in my opinion .'

I can't quite see how the United States possesses a 'hegemony' over the entire globe, but anyone or anything that works to the detriment of American Ideals is going to be seen as a threat by us. Which is why, I suppose, you define the US as a threat. We are doubtlessly a threat to your ideals.

RE:' Nowadays the world is out of balance ,the USA is the biggest military spender ...'

And whose fault is that, Tonny?

Re:'...and so it would be illogical for China or any other country to sit on it(s ass and do nothing at all.'

You are, of course, correct on this point. It would be unreasonable of us to expect the Chinese to sit on their asses and refrain from conquering all of Asia by one means or another. They once held all of Asia in thrall and they intend to do so once again.

RE:'Then they would be subjected to bullying and arrogance .Like the installing of missiles on the borders of Russia as presented by Condoleeza Rice recntly .Remember whet Kennedy did during the Cuba crisis.Now tell me why should Putin behave any differently .'

Here you have a valid complaint and I agree with you. We should NOT be installing those missiles along the Russian border, nor should we be looking after European defense needs. That is a European burden and the Europeans should be toting it, not us. By crowding the Russians, we have pushed them over into the Chinese camp.

RE: 'But you will not find this kind kind of logic in the article .THe so called expert is just another biased neocon crony getting his orders from the armament industry always on the lookout for an extra buck .'

Wrong again. Nearly all of them are Reagen Era Conservatives and there are huge differences between the them and the so-called 'Neo-Conservatives.'


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EndlessMay 22nd, 2007 - 16:33:41

All we need now is for England and Ireland to start up again, and we'll have something for everyone all around the world!!

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