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..who knew!
We did
Unless we can get oil down we will hit a recession. The USA can't sustain $70/bbl oil let alone the $120s we have been seeing.
We need to drill in Alaska, off shore, Colorado, the Dakotas and Wyoming instead of exporting trillions of dollars to countries that hate our guts.
We desperately need to knock the price of oil down or there will be a recession.
Just remember it is an election year and these are the same people that told all of us that there was WMD's in Iran. Typical of a neo-con right wing nutjob.
...after 90 days of doom and gloom, perpetrated by theliberal drive-by media template...surprise!...it has not materialized! The Libnazi media:
Bury the story.
The poor sod above seem to think gas was going to stay the same forever, when conserivatives have been preaching domestic production, and refining expansion for 30 years.....stymied by libnazi stonewalling on the permit processes for decades.
Typical Libnazi left wing nut jobs.
'Just remember it is an election year and these are the same people that told all of us that there was WMD's in Iran.'
They are the CIA, MI5, Interpol, the FSB, the DPSD, the BND and the Chinese MSS as well as the companies that sold him the stuff to make it and a whole lot of dead Kurds, Iranians, Marsh Arabs and shiites?
'Typical of a neo-con right wing nutjob.'
' Deutsche Presse-Agentur' are 'right wing nutjobs'? Who knew?
Bush lying...to congressmen and women...who we are expected to believe swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Doesn't say much for Hillary, does it???
You are right SP4, does not say much for Hillary.
Does not say much for all of the hook, line and sinker crew that greenlighted this war over 'nothing' and the fools that support the dead end fight.
'Does not say much for all of the hook, line and sinker crew that greenlighted this war over 'nothing' and the fools that support the dead end fight.'
Can America Win The War? Yes, We Can!
..The more we see of Obama, the more cracks we see in the facade of that optimism. A new poll from Rasmussen suggests one of the clearest divides between John McCain and Obama:
If John McCain is elected President, 49% of voters say it is at least somewhat likely that the United States will win the War in Iraq. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 20% believe victory in Iraq is likely if Barack Obama is elected in November.
There are very few things the United States government has done more consistently well throughout its history than win wars against our enemies. It's the most basic, traditional function of government - yet the public recognizes that Obama lacks faith that we can win, whereas McCain has proposed a positive vision of victory by the end of his first term. Which is why I think the following would be a guaranteed applause line for McCain on the stump:
Can America win the war against its radical Islamist enemies?
Yes we can!
Can we finish the job our troops have worked so hard and sacrificed so much to do in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Yes we can!
So tell me - why is it that Senator Obama suddenly runs out of hope and optimism when it comes to fighting our enemies?'
But the war isn't the only area where Obama's decided lack of confidence in the traditional functions of our government and the dynamism of our economy leads him down the path of pessimism and a cramped view of the future of American liberty.
Read On...
The most eye-poppingly Carterish of these was Obama's recent declaration that
'We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times . . . and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.'
Yes, we can! Obama suffers from a failure of faith in American markets and American liberty, the very same lack of faith that gave us Jimmy Carter and malaise the first time around.
...An interesting part of the Associated Press report on the operations in Mosul to destroy al-Qaeda in Iraq’s last territorial stronghold. Nouri al-Maliki left Mosul and returned to Baghdad when Nancy Pelosi showed up in a surprise visit, and apparently the surprise went both ways. Pelosi sounded like General David Petraeus, although I doubt the suspension of disbelief was all that willing:
The prime minister returned to Baghdad from Mosul — where he has been overseeing the crackdown — to meet with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who made a surprise visit to Iraq on Saturday.
Pelosi, a top Democratic critic of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, expressed confidence that expected provincial elections will promote national reconciliation.
She welcomed Iraq’s progress in passing a budget as well as oil legislation, and a bill paving the way for the provincial elections in the fall that are expected to more equitably redistribute power among local officials.
“We’re assured the elections will happen here, they will be transparent, they will be inclusive and they will take Iraq closer to the reconciliation we all want it to have,” said Pelosi. She also met with Iraq’s parliament speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq.
Pelosi, who also traveled to Iraq in January 2007 shortly after the Democrats assumed congressional control, has been a sharp critic of the Bush administration’s conduct of the war and has pressed for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country this year.
Let’s see. Iraqi Army taking control of national security — check. Maliki building support from Sunnis and Kurds — check. Congressional benchmarks for provincial elections, de-Baathification reform, oil revenue distribution, and general national reconciliation being met — check.
And Nancy Pelosi acknowledging all of these signs of the surge’s success … checkmate.
hotair.com/archives/2008/05/18/guess-who-realized-the-surge-is-working/
This is because, if it becomes the dems war, she cannot very well wak around saying we're losing.
Democrats - They'll believe anything another dem tells them.
Wake Up America
The dollar has dropped over 40 %
, the euro has gone up from 85 to 155
Profit growth has either slowed or stopped for most of the S&P 500,
and in actual measurable factors we have been in a recession since at least last August 2007.
The price of food and energy is taken out of the cpi,
and if your wondering why your account has nothing in it at the end of the month--gas has tripled---actually it has gone from 10 a barrel in 1998 to 130 barrel now 1300%
Milk-40%
MEAT-35%
eGGS-40% IN A YEAR
Bread and cereal--wheat alone made a run from 4/bus to over 20 before backing off a bit
And to top it off the top 1% now makes 26% of all earnings
With the bottom 50% making 20%
Think about it---By the time you are told we are in a recession---it will be over
If these hook line and sinker persons went into this war for the right reasons, I would contend that it says something about them.
Bush, a straight forward political entity, had nothing to gain by this war, and had everything to lose.
Fortunately, even Nancy Pelosi now admits we are being successful(!?). That means, even if Bush has no brain, it certainly proves he has a backbone.
Johnny McCain, the most honest of all the candidates, is out front (as usual) about this war. He voted for it, endorses it's successful conclusion and is willing to prosecute it to that conclusion. he has never reneged, never offered some kind of backpeddling excuse and takes all his repsonsibility for his actions. Regardless of your bigotry toward republicans, any reasonable person must conclude he is being honest.
Well, ppperfect, we are dealing with a genuine hero here, so what else would you expect?
Hillary has the distinction of voting for this war too. I'd have to say, whatever her reasons, she displayed some backbone in the pivotal moment, regardless of her reasons. The woman, after all, has been the engine of success for the last 30 years. If she wins this nomination, regardless of how, she will have earned it.
That tells me something, pppperfect.
What's it tell you?
Wake Up America
SP4 - we are awake.
The dollar has dropped over 40 %
SP4 - The drop has energized our exports. and is driving american profits with sales overseas. This ia Amnerica's hedge: trade!
, the euro has gone up from 85 to 155
SP4 - A fact that has the euro gov'ts losing bu cu exports daily and has econ ministers crapping their pants.
Profit growth has either slowed or stopped for most of the S&P 500,
and in actual measurable factors we have been in a recession since at least last August 2007.
SP4 - Nonsense real econoimic growth has been in the positive since 2001. The Bush juggernaut econmy has recorded record growth, record tax receipts, historic hih employment numbers, and low inflation. Dow jones stocks and profits are at historic highs. Caterpillar, IBM, and others are recording record profits.
The price of food and energy is taken out of the cpi,
and if your wondering why your account has nothing in it at the end of the month--gas has tripled---actually it has gone from 10 a barrel in 1998 to 130 barrel now 1300
SP4 - the price we pay for 30 years of libnazis stifling domestic production, stifled energy growth, endless regulation, etc. Bush has fought for these things for seven years against the luddite libnazis.
Milk-40% -
SP4:see above - by the way, perhaps the dems can cancel the 300 billion unfunded farm bill now, don't you think?
MEAT-35% - see above - ditto
eGGS-40% IN A YEAR - see above - ditto
Bread and cereal--wheat alone made a run from 4/bus to over 20 before backing off a bit -
SP4 - the result of libnaiz and republicans subsidizing grains-for-fuel. how about that dem 300 billion farm bill???? Get back with us on how it helps to pay subsidies to millionaires, besides buying their votes?
And to top it off the top 1% now makes 26% of all earnings
SP4 - 1% of the wealthiest americans all pay 35% of all taxes. 35% pay 53% of all taxes. If that is not graduated taxation, I do not know what is. We achievers are paying enough. Another fact you had better get used to; when you tax us, we will go into the 600,000 page tax code and shelter the money that is stimulating the economy. Think about that, Adam Smith, and get back to us soon.
With the bottom 50% making 20%
SP4 - With the bottom 64% paying only 50% of all taxes. - If you want to help these folks, get them enough job skills to fill one of the jobs that go begging every day in America: Mechanics, welders, Aviation workers, Oil field service workers, etc., etc, etc. Believe me, if they will train, we can find them work that will make them one of the 35%!
Think about it---By the time you are told we are in a recession---it will be over
SP4 - We were already told we were in a recession and it never happened! We were told how bad the economy was when we had 4.4% unemployment, 4.9% economic growth and record tax receipts. Pick a story and stick to it.
Also, Find another topic you actually know something about.
Man you attacked the wrong person
I am a republican, a conservative, and in the financial business...
I was also in upper management for over 20 years--wrote P&L projections etc.
And I do know 1 hell of a lot more about the economy than you do.
If things are broken, they have to be fixed , no matter what party is in charge.
The misconception you seem to have is that the economy is the total result of the party in charge.
This is not the case.
The economy flows back and forth no matter what, and the most we can do is help it going up , and try to make the fall softer.
All basic materials are traded in US dollars, and when the US dollar drops 40% we in America instantly pay up 40% for those products, plus inflation.
Other countries whose currency has gone up against the dollar may actually pay 40 % less.Get IT??
And as far as your statement that the top 35% of earners pay 53% of taxes----They DAMN SURE SHOULD--THE TOP 25% make 65.23% of all earnings
Therefore they are not paying their fair share--35% paying 53%
25% making 65.23%
And on top of that the average guy pays SS and medicare taxes on 100% of what he makes
The rich quit paying after the first 97k
7% more they are underpaying!
Get over yourself.
You don't know everything.
The top 25% of earners pay an average effective tax rate of 15.86%--not your stated 35%
SP4.............May 21st, 2008 - 18:07:27
Man you attacked the wrong person.
sp4- nonsense, he was exactly who I wanted to attack
I am a republican, a conservative, and in the financial business...
sp4 - so be it. How are things?
I was also in upper management for over 20 years--wrote P&L projections etc.
sp4 - excellent. we need good managers.
And I do know 1 hell of a lot more about the economy than you do.
sp4 - I offer my opinions, offer yours.
If things are broken, they have to be fixed , no matter what party is in charge.
sp4 - I would agree. I have a whole list on where to start. I'd love to see yours.
The misconception you seem to have is that the economy is the total result of the party in charge.
sp4 - I never said that, but others say that here on this website every day. I'd agree that is is the governing party's repsonsiblity to act proactively. That has had a checkered, set of results, don't you think Mr. Director?
This is not the case.
sp4 - see above.
The economy flows back and forth no matter what, and the most we can do is help it going up , and try to make the fall softer.
sp4 - I woud agree that, while we cannot manage a free economy, you can have positive and negative effects on it, by legislation, foreign policy, etc.
All basic materials are traded in US dollars, and when the US dollar drops 40% we in America instantly pay up 40% for those products, plus inflation.
sp4 - only those items in which a currency change happens. I buy stuff all the time that is domestically produced and do not get the currency stab, but it WILL inflate relative to foreign influences (and tarrifs, etc). I realize the manufacturer may, or may not, have hidden costs also due to imported labor or mat'ls). Nonetheless, in the world we live in, that is correct, when you DO buy those foreign goods, hidden or not.
Other countries whose currency has gone up against the dollar may actually pay 40 % less.Get IT??
sp4 - Oh yeah, got it. in other words, if it is american, and you sell it in Europe, their price just went down, if they have to pay in dollars. I even think i've said that.... about 3000 times on this site...That is my point: this dollar 'weakness' has a hedge factor. I don't need to have you agree with me on that, I see it every day.
And as far as your statement that the top 35% of earners pay 53% of taxes----They DAMN SURE SHOULD--THE TOP 25% make 65.23% of all earnings
sp4 - according to your standards....
Therefore they are not paying their fair share--35% paying 53%
25% making 65.23%
SP4 - THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW - WHAT IS 'fair' You're the exec so you should know what you are trying to achieve - WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE?
And on top of that the average guy pays SS and medicare taxes on 100% of what he makes
SP4 - TRUE - SHOULD HE PAY LESS??? YOU'RE THE MANAGER, WHO'S GOING TO PAY IT???
The rich quit paying after the first 97k
SP4- NONETHELESS THEY DO PAY MORE.
7% more they are underpaying!
SP4 - OK, but they still pay more in taxes.
Get over yourself.
sp4 - I've heard this all my life. Want to see what runaway taxation will produce???
Not me, I aleready know.
Mr. Director - I've done those things too, and suspect I'm older than you.
I know I pay a bundle. I know someone thinks it's not enough. I know...and so do you director....that once you start making these big earners squeal...they run straight to the 600,000 page tax code, or offshore, and the shelter industry gets the $$ instead of producing the small businesses that are the fastest source of job growth, and tax money, which we desparately need (RIGHT DIRECTOR!?) in America.
You can have it your way sir, but if you are who you say you are, you and I saw it in the 70's....didn't we...we saw the 13% inflation and the 20% interest rates. We saw the 8% unemployment....gas shortages, wage - price controls...a DOW at 800, flat for 14 years....remember Mr. Director...do you?
Ronald Reagan came in, deregulated oil and gas, and it plummeted. He deregulated airlanes; Air travel is so cheap now, it's almost cheaper than staying home! He deragulated trucking and the cost to transport plummeted. He advanced free trade, something I was very against and I was wrong! It works!
Most of all, he paved the way for the leveraged buyout, the single most effective way to get shareholder value up. It transformed, bloated, underperforming co's. with robber-baron exec's (know any?) into lean running companies.
Mr. Director, you are like a lot of folks: you have not decided what you want.That's OK with me, but I've picked a course. I like the new world. It rewards folks with iniative. Perhaps this is why so many are trying to come here.
The fact is, no one thinks the poor should be taxed less than I. If they are not taxed, they will earn and spend more, and not be poor. No one believes in a flat tax more than I. The tax code is rediculous. SocIAl Security? Perhaps you can spend some time explaning to the folks on this site what a debacle of an investment this is, and how the most moderate of plans would, eventually, generate more wealth for them AND the system?
Nonetheless, I have spent a lifetime watching the tax-the-rich crowd, and it always ends up taxing the not-so-rich, because taxing the rich just does not solve the problems and creates so many more. Even folks like Chuck Rangell are now seeing the folly of it. Hopefully, we can see some progress, but I'm not hopefull.
I've offered my beliefs up for judgement, and/or ridicule, you are welcome to offer your own.
Best of luck.
There is any number of thing s that could be done to improve our current situation.
Here are just a few.
1. The biggest problem that caused what we had in the 70’s was the price fixing creating an inflation spring that bit us in the ass a short time later. Instead of fixing the problem they simply tried to muzzle the beast and it broke its chains. We must be sure to allow a free market and not cause this again.
2. Put pressure on congress to drill in Anwar, and run an information campaign to enlighten the public to the fact Anwar is nothing but a huge almost lifeless area, with not even any trees. That it is a very small area of it we need to use, and it could actually supply 7 to 10% of the daily world supply.
3. Drill off of Florida and other parts of the Gulf of Mexico. The Chinese are already stealing the oil 50 miles off the coast of the keys with side shaft tech.--taking the oil from under this country. And we aren’t--crazy.
4. Make an emergency rule that all the unnecessary flavors the refineries are forced to make of unleaded are cut back to the 3 needed. We not produce 34 just in gas--each time they switch over to a new flavor we lose production, and it causes headaches with the inventory of all those types and where they can be sold.
This can be fixed very easy in NO Time, and less expense
5. Put much higher margin requirements on the trading of all commodities--this will have an instant effect of taking out a big piece of the speculation money and let the market be a discovery mechanism it was created to be in the first place.
6. Require SS and Medicare tax to be paid on the first 200 k of earnings instead of 97k, and then on anything over 5 million.
7. If you are in the bracket that makes 65% of the earnings, then you should pay 65% of the taxes---If in the bracket where you make 50 k or below --no tax--make it fair for all not just some.
8. Stop the 300 billion giveaway to farmers (mostly big corp.--the small farmer is mostly gone)This is the amount of the total budget of 7 or 8 average size states--all designed to buy votes, and prop up someone’s earnings that make big political donations.
9. Have a real war on waste in Gov.--ever look at the % of gdp that is paid to Gov. employees--some great--others doing nothing--Example--My local County school district--1 of the bigger ones in the country---Has more management people employed than teachers--at twice their pay??
These are just the smallest portion of things that could make a big change--add Nuclear energy--more wind farms---More loans for small business etc. --the problem is the leadership in both sides of congress doing what it takes to keep their gravy train coming in.
Best of Luck to you also
... I'd even greenlight the crap I disagree with!
You're points are well-made. We have waited on this while we've entertained some of the worst rules and legislation ever passed so now we are finally seeing some common sense come back.
The CEO of Shell was pillorieing the Congress for restrictive drilling and refining laws the other day. I suspect it went in one ear and out the other, but it was good to finally hear.
We are finally seeing some of the scrutiny on the commodities and financial markets that is long overdue. Perhaps we will start seeing this synfuels mess and stuff like Bush's steel tariffs revisited soon. Still, watching this 300 billion unfunded farm stinker float through Congress, with bi-partisan support, just brings me to tears.
Honestly, it would warm my heart to actually renegotiate Nafta, but you can imagine, after looking at this farm bill, what we'd end up with, so I'm uncertain how it would play out.
Maybe this gas thing and the dollar will make us start thinking about our manufacturing and production for the first time in 15 years. This would be encouraging. I get tired of going to facility after facility and seeing nothing but imported plant and equipment, and now, imported employees.
You did touch on something: it's not just fuel and food going up: when the dollar tanks, anything we get overseas gets whacked, too. The dollars value is reflected on what is bought with it and America now imports goods, from auto parts to fasteners to food and then manufactures with them, marks it up and exports it. Good? Sure, but there is a weakness you are correct about: it'd be better to make the parts here, but we've made our bed...on steel, on bearings, and a zillion other things.
Not good.
Stay in Touch.
SP4
What economy is proving robust? What rock have they been living under?
Maybe the 'million dollar' man isn't having a problem with the economy, but, surprise, surprise, a few of us aren't in that catagory~!
The National Association of Realtors said existing home sales fell 1 per cent in March, sparking a sell-off of homebuilders.
Ford Motor Co, the second-largest US carmaker, blamed falling truck sales on the surging price of petrol in the United States.
The blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 145.99 points, or 1.16 per cent, to 12,479.63. The broader Standard & Poor's 500 Index fell 18.42 points, or 1.32 per cent, to 1,375.93. The technology-heavy Nasdaq Composite Index dropped 19.91 points, or 0.81 per cent, to 2,444.67.
For the week, the Dow dropped 3.9 per cent, the S&P 3.5 per cent and the Nasdaq 3.3 per cent.
The dollar fell to 63.44 euro cents from 63.57 euro cents on Thursday and dropped against the Japanese currency to 103.39 yen from 104.11 yen.
Gold rose 7.50 dollars to 925.80 dollars per fine ounce.
GOLD 1K dollars per fine ounce
Every resident in the USA (Man, Woman and Child) to date is now in debt for
$30,818.67
that means every resident in Europe ,such as Tonny who lives in Belgium, would be in debt for 19,969.26 Euros.
(Lets call it 20,000 Euros)
and every resident in Britian would be in debt for
15,801.62 United Kingdom Pounds
(G.W.Bush, an economic Pariah, had THREE failed businesses before he became President).
The only way he can cling to power and bolster an empty economy (he's already passed the 'Point of No Return' the US having borrowed far more money from China than they can ever repay), is to attack Iran before Jan 20th (TIRANNT). WHY? . The price of crude oil could soar to 200 a barrel in as little as six months, as supply continues to struggle to meet demand, a report has warned. With benchmark US light crude passing the $122 mark for the first time, the warning comes from Goldman Sachs energy strategist Argun Murti.
'Surging demand was increasingly likely to create a 'super-spike' past $200 in six months to two years' time, he said.
Oil prices have now risen 25% in the last four months and by 400% from 2001.Mr Murti correctly predicted three years ago - when oil was about $55 a barrel - that it would pass $100, which it reached for the first time in January of this year.
You heard it first.
' In Debt and OIL soars to $200 a barre'
Perhaps it's not time to elect someone who proposes to INCREASE our debt load by about a trillion dollars by creating a gigantic entitlement program which will push our borrowing over our GDP.
Perhaps it's not time to elect someone who proposes to INCREASE the price of oil by turning over 80% of the worlds supply to Iran and al Qaeda by abandoning our efforts in Iraq and the gulf when we are on the verge of success.
Bush has been pushing for domestic oil exploration for two full terms. He advocated and began a Hydrogen Energy iniative.
The dems?
They decry his connections with oil companies. They stifle exploration in ANWR. They tie up refining licenses for decades.
Did dems ever propose a single, workable proposal for this issue?
No.
Did they ever advocate new domestic sources of oil?
No.
Instead, they concocted some hooey about 'global warming'. Meanwhile, the clock just ticked.....they think you drive too big a car and drive too much. This is their way of having an influence on your lifestyle. They just spent 300 billion of your taxes raising your food prices for the next decade so they could get elected in farm states, and you suck their privates for it.
How do you like their plan? Me neither.
...but we are told that Bush is, somehow, responsible...
Bush has done EXACTLY what I would have done:
Nothing. If you're too stupid to advocate for more resources, then you deserve to pay more for the one's others are willing to exploit. America thinks Oil comes froma gas station. They think chickens and Beef come from a grocery store. They think bearings, chemicals, hoses, belts, and every other moving part comes from a supply house.
If you are too stupid to advocate for domestic manufacturing of..well..anything and everything...then you are just plain stupid and deserve to pay more for imported items.
And after decades of neglect of our own infrastructure...
We are.
So go get out your check book and don't cry to Bush. He has spent 7 years advocating for you and sh-theads like you spat in his eye. He believed Americans would be adults about this, and you let yourselves down. You let yourselves get here so, if I were Bush I'd wave and fly to Crawford.
Dems have spent 7 years f--king with him and this, plus Iraq, plus a low dollar is what you have to show for it.
Now, they want to lead. Best of luck.
Is spelled R E C E S S I O N
In upper management for over 20 years and all to show for it is being hunched over a computer 24/7 berating everyone else on this site, all the time kissing Bush's butt. The economy is going down the drain faster than Bush can figure out how to spell his name. Sure he will wave to everyone as he leaves for his little old farm in Texas leaving a holy mess in his wake - no feather in his cap for sure. It's not feasible to think the oil crisis is all because no one listened to Bush's brilliant schemes to remedy the situation - it's not that simple. And as far as the American people being so stupid - guess the poster is either included in this generalization or is finally admitting foreign citizenship. The situation with the economy is getting worse by the day and the American people will be paying strict attention to the candidates on this during the next few months - the public's approval on the discussions and plans will probably be the deciding factor on who will win the election along with the plans for the end of the war in Iraq. We need new and younger ideas in the White House- does that eliminate anyone?
Now I could be a loudmouthed insulting, twerp like yourself, but fortunately, I have the facts on my side. In other words:
None of your insults make me wrong.
Bush advocated for he very things we now see your so called 'new idea' people running to as fast as they can, as if they have ever HAD an original thought. If it were not costing so much, it would be funny. Now Bush may have lied, about something, but it certainly wasn't the need for domestic energy production, was it big-shot?
Yep, OL GW just sat in LBJ's chair, got one of those salmon flavored cee gars out that Bill Clinton left for him in that special humidor under the desk, and lit up! He was exactly correct in what the most prudent course of action was for America, but he is not a very good salesman. So he just sat back and waited. After all, anyone with a brain KNEW what was going to happen...didn't we?
If Americans want politicians to quit lying, they should, first, quit lying to themselves. Go to the supermarket, the mall, work, etc. and see what folks are driving. Anything they like, it's fine with me, after all, we are conservatives, but don't come crying about gas costs, OK? Man-up and take it in the wallet.
Nonetheless, he did his part, or at least what every other President, dem and republican have done for 35 years, and even a little more. The democrats?
They bucked him at every step. They fed their environazi/trial lawyer constituancy at your expense and now, you are paying through the nose for their irresponsibility.
Personally, I hope Obama wins, so he can lie to the public about energy while doing what he does best and feed his special interest big coal. You know, he sounds a lot like Cheney to me!
you have the patent on 'loud mouth & insulting'! Most of us hope that this country will see better days ahead and aren't hoping someone gets in office just to make your point that they aren't good. The U.S. deserves better than that, and I hope the best person takes over. If it's old McCain, then so be it, if it's Obama, hopefully he will surround himself with intelligent people who only have the best interests for our country in mind, and also HOPEFULLY not as another war monger!! Now put your mind on good memories of those of your family and friends who have passed on.
'SP4 the red-necked moron who appears to know everthing about nothing!'
Wondering if he knows there actually is a world out there besides this site?
...is your calling card...
I'm just wondering how anyone can be such a sanctimonious ass????????????
Hey everyone, don't be so hard on that old guy, who calls himself SP4. This website is his entire life, so cut him some slack.
Is sinking***blub***blub***blub just like New Orleans hahahahaha
???...me too....???
Fortunately, if you read the above posts of mine, you will see that, when someone makes a cogent, reasonable argumant to my post, I am ususally polite and respectful. The man I call 'Mr. Director' was a good example. He disagreed with me and, like all informed people, we found things that we agree with.
This, unfortunatly, would not apply to Sock Puppet, ???, and Becker, etc. because of their wank-as-you-go insults and tinfoil hatted, im-mommy's-basement poetry. Go back and try to actually find something to say...
'I am ususally polite and respectful' 'wank-as-you-go' yes SP4:. Its long overdue for you to be flushed .(C'mon M&C its about you put a block on this foul-mouthed loser!). SP4: 'Silence is Golden'.
...more wanking and boobering to me....wish on...
Why IS it so many of you act like such little girls?????
Little girls are sweet things, but that's probably nothing you would know about because you surely didn't procreate. It's just the fact, SP4, that you always proclaim everyone else wrong and you are right about everything - really boring, and I doubt if anyone in their right mind bothers to read the long, drawn-out essays you produce. A comment is one thing, trying to write a book or sometimes a screenplay, is another - like I said, boring to the max and taking up a lot of space. You know, even if you are right about some things, no one is going to pay much attention because of the way you go about knocking everyone else's comments and usually calling the poster a name. And as far as the economy is going - it isn't going very well for most people, and a lot of them are very nervous about their futures with so many places cutting back, laying off, etc., and we aren't just talking about little mom and pop places. You can put out all the statistics you want, but that doesn't pay the rising grocery prices for families nor the high gas prices that many pay trying to get to their jobs. It also doesn't help to proclaim the high gas prices are the result of no one listening to Bush about drilling on our own soil. That doesn't fix the immediate problem. Now, I'm sure I will lambasted to the hilt for my comments, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead - I would expect nothing less.
But you can't reason with someone who appears to know everything about nothing!.
it's rather refreshing not to be called a name right away and pointed out that nothing I said is worth anything. But I'm sure that will happen.
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This unfortunately dosn't apply to SP4 .I suggest you get rid of him before he does any futher damage to M&C and you lose even more visitors.. Why to you continue to tolerate his foul mouth clog up your site and abuse all and sundry?.
MODERATER...... PLEASE..... GET RID OF HIM.
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Hogwash.
What has happened is that you have thrown in the towel. You lost, so now...
What you want is censorship. Yes, you disagree with my perspective and have lost the argument, so this is the only way you can win. Has anyone else incurred this scrutiny? No. Why? You agree with their point of view.
Go now, liberal fairies, go to your liberal church and burn the books you dislike. Burn the peole you disagree with. Send them to the gulags, tattoo their arms and shave thier heads. My, what an old story this is. The only thing missing is the Swastika.
Others say far worse things than SP4. Also, look at the comments they have made about him: where was the clean up for THOSE remarks?
No, on this he's right: you're just sore losers.
...you are correct: If I break the rules, I sould not be allowed.
Fine, I can live with that.
From now on, you will get nothing but compliance from me. Like going to another persons house, we must be good guests.
SP4, Please do not write in all CAPS or use expletives (including f*** etc), such posts will be deleted. Spammers will have IP's blocked.(SEE ABOVE BUT M&C IGNORE THEIR OWN RULES) Please don't fill the site with endless and endless and endless pages of whatever your trying to say. Keep it short. Keep it sweet. Hopefully someone might even take the time then,to read it. By the way SP4 there are no winners and no losers just an exchange of debate and while we may differ.... at least be gracious .....otherwise it gets very tedious and we lose even more visitors to M&C.
te·di·ous (td-s)
adj.
1. Tiresome by reason of length, slowness, or dullness; boring. See Synonyms at boring.
2. Obsolete Moving or progressing very slowly.
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Nobody minds if the economy is doing better of course ,I find no evidence of anything else anyway .I wish the improvement of the economy would improve the lives of the average americans however .During the Bush administration however the rich are getting richer,the poor are getting poorer ,fact even acknowledged by your richest profiteers like Warren Buffet .so to say that the conomy grows is like saying mre money goes to corporate business .What is urgently needed is some kind of redistribution of wealth in order to give more access to wealth for the deprived .Health care is deficient in the USA,it is the most expensive on earth per capita,yet performs below average .It is truly mind boggling that the health of your population is left in the hands of companies which have but one goal:to extrect as much profit from the population as possible .Only a retard could ever stat to imagine such system can be improved ,it needs to be abolished and replaced by a system based on solidarity between all americans.So easy that it should have been done long ago.Unfortunately the insurance industry isd ishing out money to the republicans to prevent this from happening .For the poor another four years of republican administration would be a disaster:yet even less access to education for the next decade,no health care,no pensions,more wars that cen not be won ,more lies,less free speech....
you could hold up a socailist system that does not:
Make the endangered sick i.e. cancers, etc. wait, dangerously, for care that is not readily available i.e.
Britain
Canada
Italy
Death Therapy - Guarenteed to work. In article after article, we are seeing people like Daniele Cappezonne President of the Productivity Commitee, of the Italina Chamber of Deputies speak out on the shortcoming of Marxist care. In other related articles, one had a poor lady in Liverpool going to her Parlemantary representative to beg for timely Cancer treatment from the British Socialist Medical System.
We actually HAVE socialized Medicine in the USA: The VA system, a bloated, unresponsive, medical gulag, with all the typical symptoms:
Runaway cost
Underperforming care
endless bureaucracy
transient political pressures
Al the usual, predictable conditions, seen the world over. It is estima
This is why we have Canadians appearing in Washington State, New York, N. Dakota, etc. for care...because they DON'T WANT TO DIE!
Curiously, a cursury study of euro healthcare shows the BEST results where they have modified the straight socialist system i.e. Switzerland and the Netherlands. In those nations, people who are able, BUY their insurance..hardly a socialist system, don't you think? Then, the government bids procedure costs to the providers. The government BUYs those unable to afford it a care package.
In fact, this is what Mitt Romney was advocating just 6 months ago. Unfortunately, the democrats will not greenlight interstate insurance sales for health insurance, giving states monopolies and not allowing the best care for the best prices. Well, what a surprise, huh?
Curiously, over here in the land of the dirt road and teepees, we still:
Offer ANYONE, including ILLEGAL aliens(a claim most of europe still cannot make)emergency care at ANY ederally funded emergency room
Insure 260,000,000 people
Provide the highest cure rates for cancers in the world
generate the greatest number of medical advances of any industiralized nation
have the most stringent drug approval process in the world.
export and cooperate on medical treatment with more governments, in more nations, than anyone on earth.
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