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The United States is thee biggest Human Rights abuser and eventually an International Tribunal WILL prosecute both civilian and military officials from the US for these crimes against humanity.
What planet are you from? The U.S. is the biggets human rights abuser?
Wake up! Educate yourself before you spout your useless gibberish.
Are you kidding? Did you just says 'the worst abuser'. Why don't you go over to China or Burma for a couple of months. Come back and evaluate your comments. Sometime people like you do not know how lucky you are to be in the U.S.
Does anyone still believe the official story that this guy could be the 9/11 mastermind? If so ask him this:
1) Did you influence PNAC's statement released a year before 9/11 that a 'new pearl harbor' was needed in order to justify an invasion of Iraq?
2) Did you cause the NRO/CIA to plan a plane into building exercise on 9/11 in order to cast suspicion for the attacks on the US government?
3) Did you influence or have advanced knowledge of NORAD's war game exercises on 9/11 which placed false blips on radar screens that morning?
There are so many more questions he should be asked for the public record, such as, 'Are you about to make a false confession in order to stop being tortured?', and 'Are you a paid actor or an agent of the US government?'
Xenophillius: Get a life. I was in the Navy for seventeen years. The US Government could never pull this off. Way too many people involved.
FOLLOWING ARE THE STATE SECRETS that this agent of CIA has to protect...
(1)Bush was the master grantor and CIA planned and executed the plan.
(2) USA WAS LOOKING FOR 9 YEARS, AND FINALLY GOT THE LICENSE TO KILL MUSLIMS, DENEGRATE ISLAM AND THE RESPECTABLES OF MUSLIMS.
(3) The rulers of most of the Muslim countries are agents of CIA, Saudies, Pakistan, Egypt etc.
AND SO ON...
This man deserves to be hung, on worldwide TV, kill this
disease parasite now. Why is he still alive when he is resposible for so many mutiple murders?
Get real with this.
KILL HIM......
Makes me wonder what the government is hiding and whether or not this person is nothing more then a fall-guy for one of the worst atrocities to happen by a government which was sworn to protect the very people it deceives, oppresses and kills in the name of 'National Security'. Even more amazing, is the fact that people have become so subdued that they no longer take action for themselves when a violation has been committed against them by those who are sworn to be trusted. A pity that people no longer have the fortitude within themselves to speak out and say, 'This has got to stop!'
Ha ha ha. The government allows terrorists to get information they won't reveal to their own people. lol. What a messed up concept. These guys are supposed to be totally evil and, somehow the government accepts a promise from them that they won't reveal the information if they get acquited. I couldn't make up such comedy.
This is a nightmare. . .please let me wake up. . .tell me it is not happening. . .
Interesting to see if he will be executed. If he gets jail for life having murdered 3000 people how will it look the next time a black kid gets the chair for stealing a tv set?
To Bizarre to be called a trial.To censored to be called just.
How strange,it is like watching a confused bunch of idiots
bounce a fantasy around the room and joke when it is over
you will all die. How can there be a trial when you have
water board torture as part of the interrogation? The evidence
of what.The defendants all admit they are murderers in the name
of Allah.They are all psychotic in thier beliefs they will die
martyrs because they killed people,how can any judge allow a
person who is willing to commit suicide,kill people,glory in
creating terror in innocent peoples lives,who shows no remorse
when babies are killed and maimed by thier bombs be allowed to
defend thierselves? These people are mad absolutely mad.
At best they should be locked up in a padded cell and straight
jacketed,perhaps this is punishment enough,to make them live with
themselves for the rest of thier lives.This will teach them true
suffering and martydom.To feed this religous fantasy is ludicrous.
It is just plain stupid to feed this fantasy in the minds of
all the insane maniacs out there who will kill men,women,children,
and babies indiscriminately from every nationality including Muslims
for thier idol god allah.
The punishment should be terror to the terrorists. It should make them shudder in fear,it should when thought of make them blush when the thought
this could happen to me persuades them to obedience.
Not sure what kind of punishment this would be,but one thing is
for sure killing them only feeds the fire. The followers will dance and
rejoice in the streets if you kill these people for thier false god's and thier beliefs are so malignant with violence,any violence is just numb
to thier conscious.Something that strikes fear into those who use fear
as thier weapon. This is serious people these fanatics are mass killers.
What can we do to strike fear into them.This is the question,Eye for eye tooth for tooth,terror for terror.
Hey Martin i like your idea and your right if we kill them we are only
feeding thier beliefs. Terror for Terror seems the course to take.
I have thought that it might add fuel to the fire but it also might be a lightening rod and draw them to it. You called thier idol god Allah.
Perhaps this is the construct to attack thier false religion of idolatry
and hate with conscious of truth.To spread the word strong how false and
evil thier idol god allah is and how poisoned and wicked thier book the koran is.Yes it is time to shame this idol,shame this false religion,
and prove once and for all thier religion is a false idolatry that feeds lust and not spiritual liberty and beauty.Thier religion is stupid,idiotic, moronic,and evil.Death to Islam.Death to Allah,burn the Koran. Now lets see how these violent freaks who bow to thier dead Idol Allah react to this. Death to Allah.
Sure these sociopaths are committed to their cause and willing to die for it. The question is, are they ready to share a jail cell with Thunderdick?
Stick these heros of the american left in a southern prison,let 'em experience real brutality and terror.
Martyrdom?
I don't think so...
We ain't going to make you some
Islamic twisted hero
oh no
but what i will do for you
is keep you in your zoo cage
until your flesh rots off your bones
just like your good friend Sirhan Sirhan.
No martyrdom for you
I take this away
and give you life in prison.
case closed.
Well my friend, ur comment (Kill Muslims)!!!! is a powerfull phrase and dangerous. Ask urself if a non Muslim but his a Muslim hears what ur saying what do u think he would see ur image,his feeling againt a rasicm like u? an advice use ur brains before u open ur mouth. What these people is to wrong nobody accept it even non belivers like me would like be in the shoes of the familys who lost there beloved ones in 9/11,certainly i would not.
Remmember u were born as human being before u had any relign think like a human being then.
zoo cage interesting thought. perhaps we should make a traveling zoo out of them and let everyone go and look at them around the country.
Or just make them an attraction somewhere and let people travel to gawk
at them.Now that might just make the terrified.They hate the west so why
not put them on public display,sounds cruel,but killing babies is cruel too. Thier zoo cage maybe put them on the internet in a cage,keep them handcuffed and gagged for the rest of thier lives,make a spectacle out of
them,this might be a good idea.
So what should the punishment be for the lies that got us in Iraq and resulting in the deaths of 4,000+ U.S. and 1,000,000 Iraqi? Since it actually wasnt connected to 9/11 at all and resulted in 1,001,000+ deaths will the justice be equal for all these crimes?
>Are you kidding? Did you just says 'the worst abuser'. Why don't you go over to China or Burma for a couple of months. Come back and evaluate your comments. Sometime people like you do not know how lucky you are to be in the U.S.
I lived in China for half-a-year. What's your point? Is China slaughtering countless civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and also torturing captured individuals and denying them their human rights? There are more people per capita in prison in the US than any other place in the world. The US and China are basically the same.
Obviously he will not be acquitted, so the secrets are safe. Sooo, this is only a show trial.
Try living in Somalia or Cuba if you want to know about real civil rights abuse.
I never posted on this article before now.
Second, what a mess! Now we are expected to believe these chuckleheads will protect classified information???
First, lets just dismiss all the lynching mob comments ... plainly stupid.
What I want to know is: So, he is the 'master mind for 9/11?' What exactly does that mean? And how is that to be interpreted? For example: If a U.S. General is the 'master mind' for a war where soldiers gun down innocent Iraqi children, then does that General go to the lynching gallows? What about a President that 'master minds' a war on people that did nothing to him, destroying their infrastructure back to the 'stone age' and starving them out on purpose. Is he subject to the 'lynching gallows' without a trial?
Clearly, cool heads are not in charge.
I would just like to ask all those calling for his death would the same rule apply to Bush and his Administration if it came out they had a hand in the 9/11 attacks. Or would American's just accept their roll in the attack. Personally I believe American's will accept it because we have for nearly 7 years already with very little talk of bringing up War Crime charges on Bush J.r .
This is in response to John who gave thanks to Martin. What do you know of Islam and ALLAH. What do you know about the religion in which you believe if you believe. PLEASE write your response I would love to talk with you regarding these issues.
'What do you know of Islam and ALLAH.'
The religion of 'allah' divides humanity in to 2 groups: The muslim deen and the dirty kuffar. According to muhammad the 'infidel' or anyone who is non muslim should be attacked and subjugated. He spelled this out in the muslim 'holy book' the Koran.
Here are some quotes from the koran:
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (Koran 98:1-8)
A Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim (Al Bukhari Vol 9:50)
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued. (Surat At-Taubah 9:29)
Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat. (Koran 69:30-37)
Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed... fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme' (Sura 2:91-93).
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.' [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. 3.116
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued.
Surat At-Taubah 9:29
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. (Koran 2: 98)
Allah plots against unbelievers. (The Morning Star: 15)
Allah has cursed them (the Jews) on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe. (Koran 2:88)
There is disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers. (Koran 2:90)
Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130)
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan (Satan). Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4:101] ...surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
[4:102] ...surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves
[4.92] Anyone who kills a believer intentionally will have his reward in hell, to remain there. God will be angry with him and curse him, and prepare awful torment for him. (Only applies to believers)
[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard [make war] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
That is only a small portion because I do not want to repeat myself here... I could fill pages with the intolerance and incentives to commit violence in the koran towards non muslims.
Yeah, yeah. We already know: Those that do not believe in jesus go to hell, those that do not believe in allah go to hell. Same difference.
The interpretation is all up to the reader, for example: The most grievous of your quotes:
'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.'
First off, any realistic reader would just ignore those ramblings of an idiot. Or maybe interpret it as a non-believer's soul will be snuffed out and never get to heaven (or whatever) thus they are effectively a cadaver already. i.e.: The non-believer killed themselves (their soul) by converting.
There are as many ways to interpret the koran as there are the bible. Quoting from either sources makes no sense whatsoever.
It's one thing to read and write, though with no understanding of what was read or written seems to be your problem or your reading with bias in which you will always be prone to error. Read what you wrote and tell me the difference between what you read and GOD treatment towards the unbeliever. Islam is acknowlegdement of one GOD and one alone, none other, or equal. Muslim is a child of GOD who is willing to submit to the will of GOD and only GOD will. A Christian, Catholic, Baptist etc, GOD is the one and same they just call the higher power ALLAH. Islam is not named after a tribe of people or an individual, as Judaism is named after Judah, Christianity after Christ and Buddhism after the Buddha. Islam is a way of life in submission to GOD. ALLAH is an Arabic word meaning 'The One and Only True GOD,' Arabic Jews and Christians call GOD by the name ALLAH.
Please keep your posts short and simple so republicans can read them.
All of that and a page full of what.
' Those that do not believe in jesus[sic] go to hell, those that do not believe in allah go to hell. Same difference.'
Well, no... Jesus never told his followers to go out and subjugate the rest of humanity, mohammad did.
'The interpretation is all up to the reader, for example: The most grievous of your quotes:
'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.''
There really isn't a whole lot to interpret there.
'First off, any realistic reader would just ignore those ramblings of an idiot. '
So mohammad was a rambling idiot? You see, muslims don't have any room for 'interpretation'. The words of the koran are supposedly the words of allah himself, mohammad was only the scribe. Muslims take it quite literally, as they were instructed to.
'There are as many ways to interpret the koran as there are the bible[sic].'
Well, no. Not according to the koran. To ignore what is written there is supposedly to ignore the word of God, which makes you an apostate of a kuffar. That makes it OK to saw your head off.
In your case I wouldn't worry though, you don't use your head anyway.
Ironic, The evidence that frees this person, convicts Bush et al. Talk about censored..... The first piece of evidence will need to be that there were actually airplanes that hit buildings and other stuff that terrible day. Then you will need to prove that there were actually friends of his on the planes, even tougher. Then you might need to find out how building WTC7 managed to fall down when there was little damage and no plane even touched it. If you manage to get that far, you can explain how NIST can not even produce a reasonable explanation as to what happened to cause any of the building to fall.
The so-called trial is a struggle between the Bush regime and a soon to be fall guy. If the truth ever comes out, who knows, they could be cell mates.
'It's one thing to read and write, though with no understanding of what was read or written...'
What is there to misunderstand?
Koran [9.29] 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.'
This scripture can only be interpreted as a condemnation and call to arms against not only those of all competing religious beliefs, but those who have been given the book [other Muslim’s] who do not follow Allah’s commandments as delivered by Mohammed.
Koran [9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
These words can not be interpreted even in the most liberal terms, to be a call to peace and coexistence with non-believers, non-Muslims.
Koran [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Not a whole lot to confuse there...
'Islam is acknowlegdement of one GOD and one alone, none other, or equal. Muslim is a child of GOD who is willing to submit to the will of GOD and only GOD will.'
So the will of your god, according to to his 'prophet' is to kill or subjugate me. Therefore it is OK to slaughter in the name of God.. Yeah, we see it every day.
'A Christian, Catholic, Baptist etc, GOD is the one and same they just call the higher power ALLAH.'
It's all a nice little fairy tale but the problem with it is that it is used as an excuse to slaughter people. I will not submit to islam nor will I be subjugated and pay any 'keeping my head' tax. By the way, what about Buddhists, Hindu and atheists? You know, people who are 'not of the book'?
'ALLAH is an Arabic word meaning 'The One and Only True GOD,' Arabic Jews and Christians call GOD by the name ALLAH. '
Considering the oppression they live under in the middle east...
The Most High Creator of all Above and Blow. Please try to understand within everthing you have saints and sinners. For all men have sinned before the eyes of GOD. Your being bias toward a people for self defense. ALLAH/GOD which ever you prefer, only ask for the man,woman and child to be of his righteousness/likeness. Religion is man control substance, Righteousness is the true nature of a GOD fearing individual. Their were numerous Prophets and Messengers of the Most High. If your Christian your speaking with a luke warm heart.
' Your being bias toward a people for self defense'
Since when is flying aircraft full of people into buildings full of people 'self defense'?
Since when is filling school gyms full of children and setting off bombs to murder them self defense? Blowing up night clubs or airliners or markets or cutting peoples heads off and posting the video on the internet 'self defense'?
There have been islamist attacks in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives...
All 'self defense'? 11,202 acts of deadly self defense since 9/11/01?
'Their were numerous Prophets and Messengers of the Most High. '
I can think of only one who advocated violence toward people who didn't believe what he was telling them. That was mohammad.
Amazing, what could the U.S. Goverment want kept secret from the American people?
how can the U.S. trust a terrorist to keep secrets?? This entire situation is like a comedy of errors, and I'm afraid it's going to get much worse - something akin to the 'Three Stooges'!
Seriously? If you think it's bad here, go somewhere else. I've been to Afghanistan as part of OEF and let me tell you the US is by far the greatest country to live in. Do you think that if you lived anywhere else in the world you would be able to get away with the anti-government comments that some of you have put on here? No, you wouldn't. Here's an idea, why don't some of you that so loosely exploit your freedom of speech man up and salute the flag that gives you that right.
Why not just kill him, then he can't tell anybody. Hell, that's the way good crime organizations do it. Lord knows the US is teetering on that kind of title. They're like the big jail house dude in the new Nuttcups video on Digitalfuntown.com. Violent and angry without any explanation. Take a look if you don't believe me.
Martin, you say and eye for and tooth for a tooth.
First the disclaimer, In no way am I condoning what these folks have done.
Anyhow, did you know that is why these terrorist are terrorists. This is what they believe too. Unfortuantely they are hurting innocent people because of US foreign policy.
Did you ever wonder why its bad to be a Dictator in Iraq but perfectly ok to be a King in Saudi Arabia.
not all Islamics and Muslims are terrorist or hell bent on killing every one else. It is the extremist of the religion that follow this. To believe that all Muslims and Islamics are terrorists, is to be a bigot. Just about every known religion has or has had its extremists, the crusades ring a bell? lets not forget that history in times past was written by those who won the war, and religion was a major part of why nations went to war. So get off your mighty high horses, all your doing is spewing more hate which will get the world no where. Their are bigger problems at hand than who's religion is better (Which is a moot point to begin with) that the world as a whole will be facing over the next 50 years such as the looming energy crisis (Which the war in iraq is really all about, go look up 'Peaking' as it relates to oil production), population booms, and food shortages begin to unfold (As they already have). Hatred to other peoples will only compound with these looming problems. So the last thing we need are more bigots who paint every one with the same brush stroke.
Oh and the conspiracy theorists always give me a good chuckle as well.
Informative listening:
//tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/archives/
Do you know the frase:
'He who raises a sword will be killed by a sword'
?
This is exactly what happened.
First off, this guy will never see the light of day if acquitted.. he has state secrets, they cannot release him! So he's pretty much doomed no matter the outcome.
Second, for those of you going off on religon, I ask you this: how many millions of people have been murdered throughout history in the name of 'god' or 'allah' or any religion? If religion is so right, there wouldn't be even 1 person murdered or killed in the name of it... most of the greatest atrocities in human history have been done under the guise of 'religion'. If that's religion and belief in god then you can have it because it's no way for one human being to treat another.
Third and final point, we can only hope that these trials will lead to the truth being released to the people of the world as to what really happened. Buildings don't fall at free fall speed, fire doesn't burn metal buildings, and there were explosives planted in all 3 buildings.. even the NYFD says so. Countless firefighters heard the explosions as the buildings were coming down(they even evacuated their personel because they found/had reports of explosives).. countless numbers of engineers all agree that building 7 was a controlled demolition.
'Buildings don't fall at free fall speed, fire doesn't burn metal buildings, and there were explosives planted in all 3 buildings.. even the NYFD says so.'
Conspiracy theories: the first refuge of the weak mind.
conspiracy theories? How about the laws of physics? Perhaps you know of some way those buildings defied the laws of physics? It's already been proven numerous times that they would have had to have broken the laws of physics to fall that fast. Maybe they were standing in some sort of other dimension where the laws of gravity and physics simply don't apply.
Perhaps you can show us some instance in the history of mankind that fire actually caused a metal frame building to fall prior to 9/11. Because it's never been reported to have happened. But magically it happened 3 times that day.
And I suppose all those NYFD personel at ground zero were just mistaken when they heard numerous explosions going off just before and during the collapses...
They aren't conspiracy theories.. they're simple facts and eye witness testimony.
Believing the party line - sign of a truly weak mind. keep on drinking the kool-aid and living in your delusional little world. And enjoy those fewer freedoms that keep getting fewer by the day.
This blog certainly proves that you can NEVER overestimate the utter stupidity of the general public.
So maybe there were explosives in the buildings - that doesn't mean they weren't planted there by the same terrorists who took over the planes and not the government. This is just another crazy theory like the one that the government had JFK killed.
RE:'Third and final point, we can only hope that these trials will lead to the truth being released to the people of the world as to what really happened. Buildings don't fall at free fall speed, fire doesn't burn metal buildings, and there were explosives planted in all 3 buildings.. even the NYFD says so. Countless firefighters heard the explosions as the buildings were coming down(they even evacuated their personel because they found/had reports of explosives).. countless numbers of engineers all agree that building 7 was a controlled demolition.'
How is it that our school system can produce people with opinions displaying this kind of abominable ignorance? I sometimes think it must be the product of WILLFUL ignorance.
For starters, we have known for a long time that fire causes severe trouble for metal frame buildings. For those of you with doubts, here is a short read:
//books.google.com/books?id=l9MOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA4&dq=fireproofing+date:18 00-1930&lr=&as_brr=1
Download this and read it. You will then be relieved of some of your ignorance. Notice, if you will, that the copyright of this book is dated 1899. THATS RIGHT! EIGHTEEN-FRAKING NINETY-NINE!
Steel buildings can and do indeed burn. You cannot safely reuse steel members that have suffered fire damage for this reason. One of the handiest ways we have for cutting steel is by BURNING IT! I don't know who filled your head with drivel, but it is exactly that, drivel.
Aluminum burns even more readily than does iron. Aluminum-magnesium alloys burn even more readily than that. Large stocks of titanium in storage are about the same grade of fire hazard as a lumberyard. While titanium will not burn as readily as wood, it will burn far hotter and is far more difficult to control once it has started burning. Most metal fires CANNOT be put out with water or even CO2. CO2 will support combustion in a metal fire.
Both coal and charcoal have a heat of combustion of about 13,000 btu per lb. We smelt iron and make steel with, guess what, coal and charcoal. The LOWER heat of combustion of kerosene is about 18,500 btu/lb. The heat of combustion for very pure kerosene (Jet A) is closer to 20,0000 btu/lb.
After those airplanes struck the WTC Towers they basically became inefficient blast furnaces. DO YOU GET IT, YET? Those buildings were doomed as soon as they were struck by those great big heavy airplanes loaded with thousands of gallons of kerosene.
Further, you need to understand that the strength of steel goes down with an increase in temperature and at a temp of about 343C its strength drops rapidly with every degree of increase in temperature beyond that.
THERE WERE NO EXPLOSIVES, YOU IDIOTS!
Al Qaeda did its homework and pulled off a perfect op. Get used to it, because that is what happened. WE SCREWED THE POOCH and they got it right.
Still waiting for the NIST report for WTC7, 16 million $ budget and years of time ..... but we still wait. I don't buy into or discount these theories but the Silverstein 'pull it' video (I've never heard of firefighters being refered to as an 'it') british broadcasters reporting the collapse before it happened and the lack of that WTC7 NIST report leave questions too big to ignore. Operations Northwoods and Mongoose prove to me your government (i'm a canuck) would consider planning staged (false flag) events by killing Americans and blaming it on the enemy to further policy objectives.
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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
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The Pentagon report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: 'The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo
Souns like a Federal witch hunt to me.
JT
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RE:'Still waiting for the NIST report for WTC7, 16 million $ budget and years of time ..... but we still wait. I don't buy into or discount these theories but the Silverstein 'pull it' video (I've never heard of firefighters being refered to as an 'it') british broadcasters reporting the collapse before it happened and the lack of that WTC7 NIST report leave questions too big to ignore. Operations Northwoods and Mongoose prove to me your government (i'm a canuck) would consider planning staged (false flag) events by killing Americans and blaming it on the enemy to further policy objectives.'
Okay, you are an ignoramus of the worst kind. You are WILLFULLY ignorant. The truly astonishing thing about ANY of the buildings in the WTC complex is not that some of them collapsed, but that so many of the remained standing. ALL OF THEM were struck by the equivalent of a pyroclastic flow. There is no wonder about the WTC towers collapsing. The truly amazing thing is that they stood for as long as they did.
You are need of professional help, or you are simply an evil little bug pushing a nefarious political agenda. If the latter, you are still in need of professional help.
1,i want someone in here to tell me why 1 000,000 plus iraqi people have died because of 9/11?
2,i want someone in here to explain why 4 000,000 plus iraqi people are refugies?
3,i want someone in here to explain why the world's best country with the best technology and best goverment agencies concluded that iraq was to blaim for 9/11?, when it is now proven that it was not.
4,i want someone in here to explain to me what the world's best goverment with the best technology and best freedom will do about those 8 000,000 people in iraq who have no water, no food, no jobs, no money,no electicity,and no homes?
5,i want to know how all these nonsence that they (goverment) said and done have made the world a safest and better place.
sounds to me that the terrorists are just multiplying by the minute in iraq!
6,and i want someone in here to explain to me who gave the right to the usa goverment to attack other countries,to bomb civilians and infastructure of foreign nations when there was no aggression against it?
who made the usa the world's police?
who has given it such authority?
why is it tought in schools and colleges that the usa is the worlds police?
if you morons believe that this trial is being done by the book ,you are an idiot and a war criminal like Bush, as any body in the Red Cross had an opportunity to interview this guy? for all i know this could be the fall guy and a cover up by the CIA
GoKu-
The U.S. Military and contractors have been trying to rebuild Iraq. It has been relatively difficult with all of the violence. If they stop the violence, the U.S. will rebuild.
SP4: Oh Yeah...the only human rights that were abused is they should have allowed your MOM an abortion and nuetered your DAD.
'Believing the party line - sign of a truly weak mind. keep on drinking the kool-aid and living in your delusional little world. '
I saw the airplanes being deliberately flown into the buildings with my own eyes. No secondary explosions. 'Controlled demolitions' just use explosives to cut the the columns after they have been weekend by engineers. I was in one of the towers a couple of weeks before, no cut columns, no primer chord... (I can't even believe I have to write that) It would have been the most obvious thing in the world to the people working there. There was no evidence of it at the site.
Hundreds of thousands of people saw this happen. Hundreds of thousands of feet of film and videotape were taken of it happening. The monsters who committed this atrocity have gleefully bragged about it. Yet there are people who are so screwed up, so inverted and so needy that they can bypass the irrefutable and go straight for the hogwash that best confirms their prejudices.
I think the best punishment for someone with so little reasoning ability or empathy is to have to live his life with your broken mind.
'The U.S. Military and contractors have been trying to rebuild Iraq. If they stop the violence, the U.S. will rebuild.'
And then everything will be hunky-dory? So, let me get this straight. The new model for U.S. foreign policy is:
Do as we tell you and if you don't then we destroy your nation and rebuild it in our image and then everything is hunky-dory.
Is that it? How tidy; we can eliminate the negotiation that makes all of us U.S. puritans soiled with foreign compromises. With that strategy anything is possible. Every nation will be modeled after the U.S. in no time at all. Lets do Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, all of the African countries, a half dozen European countries, South America, etc. and then we will have a perfect world!
... me thinks your social and political conceptualization is a tad simplistic. But, that appears to be the norm these days so you fit in.
This entire situation will be a zoo with no answers. Put them to death, and they get what they want. Keep them imprisoned the rest of their lives, and the U.S. pays hundreds of thousands to do it.........so who wins? Our laws don't allow for torture, so on with the zoo!
It's interesting that a poster brought up human rights. Do you people not realize why this trial is being held in Cuba? In Cuba the trial is not under American law, but instead military law. These people will be killed no matter what the trial concludes.
Don't make martyrs out of them. I would suggest introducing art to justice. Build a miniature twin towers cell out of shatterproof glass and let these 9-ll folks live in it for the rest of their lives with three squares a day and no abuse.
RE:'Don't make martyrs out of them. I would suggest introducing art to justice. Build a miniature twin towers cell out of shatterproof glass and let these 9-ll folks live in it for the rest of their lives with three squares a day and no abuse.'
I'll buy this one, only let's set them up in New York City so that the New Yorkers can see justice being done.
No wonder America is the second most hated nation after Israel.
What a thread, American IQ on view. Zero not a clue.
Lance- Who said anything about modelling them after the U.S.? I only said that if they stop killing American troops, the military and contractors will rebuild. That has nothing to do with modelling the government or infrastructure after the U.S. It only means that schools, hospitals, office buildings, electrical plants, sewage, and the likes would be rebuilt if they could stop all the senseless violence for a while. Instead, the military has to focus it's energies on keeping peace. I could care less whether or not Iraq is anything like us, but I do think we need to fix some of the schools and hospitals we bombed the sh*t out of.
Has it occurred to you that Iraq is perfectly capable of rebuiling their hospitals and schooling system themselves ?Why hand out the contracts for that to Haliburton and the likes if the Iraqis can do the job for ten times less money and create wealth in the same process.An Iraqi firm doing a job acquires expertise,knowledge,wealth and jobs at a fraction of the price.
It's time for Iraq to take care of themselves, the U.S. has done more than their share in loss of lives and the cost to the U.S. However, many will debate that on the premise that Iraq didn't ask for them to interfere in their country in the first place, bombing and killing, so they SHOULD pay - a double-edged sword at best.
'Has it occurred to you that Iraq is perfectly capable of rebuiling their hospitals and schooling system themselves '
Could you be more of a moron? I doubt it.
'An Iraqi firm doing a job acquires expertise,knowledge,wealth and jobs at a fraction of the price. '
There are lots of Iraqi firms doing the rebuilding. That is only possable because of the security that we are providing.
This is the self same man who 'Admitted' to have masterminded the Oklahoma city bombings and the Kennedy assassination.
This guy isn't it. He's a product of waterboarding, and the US is using this as a red herring.
Where's the guy who the gov't had the country believe was responsible for 9/11? Have we all forgotten that OSAMA BIN LADIN is still on the run?
Osama everybody been talking about?
'Who in the hell is....
Osama everybody been talking about?'
The democrat nominee for president of the United States.
Secrets ???
I have traveled by freighter many times in and out of Central and South American. I have also seen many questionable travelers walk off the ship in many US Ports then slip into the night. There must be an entire Army of terrorism in the US by now...............
And so it is.....................
That shouldn't surprise anyone, and what about all the freight that so many people have access to before and during the time it is loaded onto planes? It is my understanding that it isn't given the scrutiny that little kids' and elderly peoples' carry-ons is given.
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