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Close to 360,000 almost entirely white union soldiers killed and 275,200 maimed to end slavery doesn't mean squat in the culture of perpetual victimization.
'John Conyers, a left-wing black congressman from Michigan, is the hero of the US reparations movement for his annual attempt to earmark 8 million dollars to establish a commission to determine if slavery has a remaining impact on African-Americans'
8 million bucks.... sigh.
Good thing they are addressing this instead of $4.20/gallon gasoline.
Or the wars. Or the national debt. Or the borders, or health care for veterans, or the erosion of our manufacturing base, or... etc, etc...
Compare it to the costs of the war in Iraq,about ten minutes of warfare
The world will have to wait 150 years before congress apologizes for mass killing muslims and striking out against an arbitrary country and taking them over.
It seems that the United States likes what they do ... until 150 years later when they change their mind.
Genocide and slavery. The United States gets away with murder (literally!).
...dead?
Good timing for Barak.
'SP4: Aren't all the slaves ...dead?'
Indeed. All genocidal maniacs make the same argument.
By that argument the following is true:
If all christians are killed, converted or expired through attrition then they are all dead. Then would one need to apologize for the deed? Make restorations to the (presumably) left over pagan children (if any of their parents were christian)?
How convenient, just wait for all victims to die, then everything is all right; as long as the genocide is 100% complete.
'Compare it to the costs of the war in Iraq,about ten minutes of warfare'
Or welfare, prisons, unwanted children born to single mothers, the 'great society' programs etc.
People are personally responsible for their own destiny. The sooner we all realize that the sooner we will see equity.
lance
'The world will have to wait 150 years before congress apologizes for mass killing muslims and striking out against an arbitrary country and taking them over.'
I am not at all sorry for getting rid of Saddam. Indeed, most of the muslims that you want the USA to apologize for were slaughtered by other muslims... You know, the ones you come here to make excuses for.
'If all christians are killed, converted or expired through attrition then they are all dead.'
Which is exactly what the Koran tells muslims to do to Christians and every other non islamic religion.
You should pack up, go to the middle east and preach your BS there. I wonder how long it will be until we see your empty head chopped off on the internet?
'I am not at all sorry for getting rid of Saddam'
Sure, anyone who mass kills should be brought to justice, including Bush. So what? That is obvious.
However, using Saddam as an excuse for mass killing muslims and invading and occupying a nation is just about as bogus as the excuses:
(a) Weapons Of Mass Destruction
(b) 9/11
or any other lame excuse you can generate.
I am continually bewildered by the supposed well meaning but empty gestures of folks who continually revisit the past while real slavery exists in this world we currently live in:
Sudan - chattel slavery, mostly women and children removed from their homes and forced into servitude
China - child labor in electroinics factories, via the parents 'sourcing' them to the manufacturer.
Sierra Leonne - child soldiers, chattel slavery
Congo - chattel slavery, child conscript soldiers
Saudi Arabia - chattel slavery, forced prostitution, i.e. imported 'guest' workers, fillipino women, who are denied their passports and cannot leave.
The United States - Vietnamese workers in Pacific US territories brought on work contracts in canneries, and their travel docs confiscated by their employers, preventing their leaving of their own free will.
These are just a handful of the examples. Perhaps we could have the Congress move forward, say....150 years....and live in the present.
Almost too easy to imagine.
'I am continually bewildered by the supposed well meaning but empty gestures of folks who continually revisit the past'
If the United States does not recognize its mistakes then why should any of the nations you mention recognize their mistakes?
By the U.S. own actions, those nations you mention: Sudan, China, Sierra Leonne, Congo can go on with slavery for a long while and in about 150 years decide to recognize the mistake; or according to your behavior: Not recognize it at all.
Slavery is wrong for everyone no matter when they did it or do it.
Perhaps we could have [had] the Congress set a good example ... get rid of slavery when it first started.
Almost too easy to imagine.
Lance - not only are the arabs behind all the terrorism in todays world they are the most responsible for bringing the slaves to America. Did you know that the arabs (muslims) were the biggest slave traders of all time ? They are the ones that should be apologizing to all of us.
'not only are the arabs behind all the terrorism in todays world'
... well, it all depends on how you define terrorism. If it is something that invokes terror then a huge arsenal of cruise missiles, laser guided bombs, and the biggest stockpile of nukes and WMDs is probably very terrorizing. i.e.: The biggest terrorist in the world is the United States.
They are also the only ones who have used nukes, while the Germans are notorious for chemical warfare. The terrorist activities of the U.S. nation are huge compared to a low-tech middle east country.
Let's ask this question:
Would you be in terror if you saw a fleet of cruise missiles (possibly nuclear tipped) fly over your house?
You need to reevaluate your mindset.
'Sure, anyone who mass kills should be brought to justice,'
Like Ahmadinejad and Khamenei?
' using Saddam as an excuse for mass killing muslims'
It was muslims who were killing each other en masse.. Indeed, we lost thousands of Soldiers and Marines trying to prevent them from doing what they do best.
(a) Weapons Of Mass Destruction
Tons of Iraqi yellowcake uranium were just delivered to Canada.
(b) 9/11
The USA fought al qaeda in Iraq.
'or any other lame excuse you can generate.'
Drop dead. You are too obtuse to get the obvious; YOUR RELIGION periodically declares war on humanity in order to subjugate it.Want to do something good for muslims? Go to Mecca and tell them that they shouldn't take the koran literaly when it tells them to kill the infidel.
'Slavery is wrong for everyone no matter when they did it or do it.'
Yes, and slavery still exists in islamic countries. Go preach against that as well. Mohammad (PB&J) OWNED SLAVES who he RAPED according to the koran. One was a 9 year old girl.
well, it all depends on how you define terrorism.
With excuse making like yours muslims will be humanity's burden for a long time to come.
'Tons of Iraqi yellowcake uranium were just delivered to Canada. 'Iraq did buy uranium ore from Niger–in 1981. That uranium has been sitting around in storage since. It was inspected by the UN weapons inspectors. UN weapons inspectors wanted it there.'The USA fought al qaeda in Iraq.'al qaeda was not in Iraq until after the invasion.'flying people in to buildings full of people'No one from Iraq had anything to do with that.Do you have any more excuses, or is that all the lame bull you can come up with?
'Aren't all the slaves... ...dead?'
Nope they aren't. You are a slave to your drug habit.
It's about time that we all got beyond all the politically correct nonsense talk. Just because the crazy libnazis put a biased spin on 'slavery' to make it seem bad, it still doesn't make it wrong.
All those of Afro-American heritage should be happy with their situation instead of being critical of it. They should feel honored to be rescued from the mosquito infested jungles, and given a home in America. What the anti-American libnazis call 'slavery' was actually a very benevolent, family oriented life style, that was destroyed by carpetbaggers from the nothern states who were trying to dominate the south and rob the people of their god-given property rights. Descendants of so-called 'ex-slaves' should be paying the government for the priviledge of becoming citizens.
' It was inspected by the UN weapons inspectors.'
And they do such a great job.
'UN weapons inspectors wanted it there.'
Not true.
'al qaeda was not in Iraq'
Al qaeda was/is in Iraq. They call themselves 'al qaeda in Iraq. Look at where Iraq is on the map. It is in the center of the middle east. Convenient for all the brainwashed maddrassah graduates who have been poisoned by the words of a REAL slave 'owner' to go get themselves killed. To try and pretend that the islamist movement in Iraq was completely divorced from the world wide islamist movement that attacked the USA on 9/11/01 is yet another attempt at a lame EXCUSE on your part. Once again, there have been deadly islamist attacks in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and pretty much everywhere else they rub up against people who they can murder.
'No one from Iraq had anything to do with that.'
Al-Zarqawi was in the same group of islamist thugs and yes, he was in Iraq. He, bin Laden and al-Zawahiri called Iraq the number one front against the Christians and Jews. You are just sad because they lost.
The subject was slavery, Ironic that you would hijack the thread to defend the psychotic ramblings of Mohammad, a slave owner and trader.
'to the resident islamist on M&C'
... well, obviously you are hell bent on killing muslims and disliking them.
I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to understand how you can be so adamant about having enemies.
Thank you for your lesson.
Peace be with you.
'not only are the arabs behind all the terrorism in todays world...'
That's right, 1995 was like yesterday, and that's a long way away from today. And we can't forget that the seemingly home grown Tim McViegh was actually T. HUSSEIN mcHammed, first cousin of B. HUSSEIN obama bin laden, and he was just impersonating a genuine American idol to fit in for awhile before he could accomplish his real terrorist mission.
And that brings us up to Bruce Ivins, AKA Bobama HUSSEIN Imans, the infamous arab islamofascist bio-weapons WMD terrorist who infiltrated the US government for over 18 years, posing as a meek, mild-mannered good old American geek. He was actually a top member of obama bin laden's inner circle, until he was exposed as an islamic terrorist and killed himself today, just before he was captured and surfboarded by CIA agents.
Your comment:
Dear AFRICAN slave decendants, I\'m sorry to break this news to you, but you do not \'deserve\' reparations any more than the rest of the world. Here\'s a little history lesson for you:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_(Ottoman_Empire) -------www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/slaves_freemen.html -------en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe -------www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296 -------
So stop blaming all white Americans (many which of us come from slaves as well and weren\'t even LIVING in American during the time of slavery) for your inability to succeed in life. I had no part in that past and do not appreciate having MY taxes raised to pay off the debts of someone else\'s grandparents. And lest you forget it, America\'s history and present are unique. Many Jamaicans and European blacks have moved here as well and were never the decendants of \'American Slaves\' so your case and your concerns, though valid, are impossible to rectify. Unless every human being on the earth can sue everyone else for THEIR reparations, and in some cases there is savery STILL GOING ON in other parts of the world, then your case is not unique. As human beings, teh strong have always enforced their will over the weak. This is not to insult the societies who have suffered the wrath of slavery, but it all had to do with social and military power. No one race has suffered \'more\' than any other. We have all risen and fallen throughout the world\'s past. And we have been both slave and master at some point.
'not only are the arabs behind all the terrorism in todays world...'
Did you hear the news today? The only biological terrorist attack on U.S. soil is most likely by a U.S. government scientist who committed suicide.
I really think the U.S. should reevaluate their position on who is a terrorist and who is not a terrorists.
Fleets of cruise missiles, laser guided bombs and ICBMs invoke terror. If you keep an open mind and watch a little T.V. you will find out that the U.S. glorifies such things with T.V. series on the latest and greatest weapons. The U.S. worships their weapons technology and is a society of death.
They just have not figured it out yet. To the usual U.S. citizen a cruise missile is simply another piece of technology, like a car, a cool thing to behold. That is because they have never seen one fly over their house and kill their neighbors.
lance your full of cr@p - maybe you should try eating more fiber.
Yes, but: Whether I am full of crap is immaterial to the subject at hand. The facts I state are materialistic no mater if I am full of crap or not.
Essentially: Don't shoot the messenger.
'Yes, but: Whether I am full of crap is immaterial to the subject at hand.'
Yes, like the fact that slavery is still practiced in the Muslim world.. go fix it. We ended it here 143 years ago.
'The U.S. worships their weapons technology and is a society of death.'
Then get out, go to Iran where they lynch people in the street or stone then to death for 'infidelity to islam'.
Watch what you make excuses for lance:
www.liveleak.com/view?i=44a_1176709269
www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657
www.liveleak.com/view?i=518_1190245078
Register and watch it. This is what you are trying to defend. People don't get stoned to death here for having an affair, or have their hands chopped off for stealing, or have their eyes plucked out for having pornography.
We don't hang 16 year old girls for 'disobedience' we don't publicly lynch boys for being homosexual...
You are a liar lance. You should be forced to live under what you advocate for other people to live under.
Its just damn time for these people to grow up.
Obama:
'I personally would want our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged' said Obama. (those elements have only been the Democrat talking points daily since 1992 for crying out loud.) 'The most important thing for the U.S. government to is not just offer words, but deeds.'
There is plenty of wiggle room for Obama, but I think 'deeds' here is code for, well, cash. And if so, it would not be totally inconsistent with those many sermons and messages of Jeremiah Wright Obama apparently missed while faithfully attending and supporting the Trinity United Church of Christ for a scant couple of decades.
Among Wright's accomplishments are being keynote speaker at the advocacy group group N'COBRA (National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America) in 2007. We can only assume that this was the Jeremiah Wright that Obama 'doesn't know.' (I mean it's bad enough that John Edwards sees 2 Americas... Obama sees 2 Wrights.) The Wright that escaped the brilliant Obama's notice for 20 years is the one who delivered the talk 'A Call for Justice and Repair' in which the foundational tenet was that
'the Biblical principal of true repentence is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families.'
(I hate to quibble with the noted theologian, but the Biblical principle of true repentence has to do with the heart of the offender and little if anything to do with the financial condition of the offended. This must be the same bible that included transgender rights in the Sermon on the Mount.)
In addition to Wright, apparently one of the jivin' high fivin' congregants in total agreement with this principal is one Dr. Iva Carruthers. She is a self-declared active member of the church, self-declared advocate of reparations and more importantly, an 'Obama-declared' member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. (We are not sure who heads up McCain's White Religious Leadership Committee).
Abridged from:
www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/reparations_rising.html
We can't dwell on the past - look at the Indians if you want to apologize and help a people. What about all the Japanese who were imprisoned in the U.S. after the bombing of Pearl Harbor? The list could go on and on. All we can do is live in the present - the past is gone and can't be changed, and the future isn't ours yet.
...invented it himself!
There isn't a white person alive who truely believes in this nonsense and the dem frontrunner happens to be black. Honestly, what were they thinking when they trotted this lemon out??????
Just let them keep doing what they are doing.
JudeoChristianMuslim thought of Man begins with Adam and Eve(Howah).
What was done in America(Native and African Slaves) by Christian Europeans was the work of the Devil and gave Native and African Slaves HELL.
Groups like yours want the Christian Europeans to admit that their God is wrong. This cannot happen as most Native and African Slaves now believe in the Christian European work of the Devil.
The Christian European was Dr. Frankenstein and the Native and African Slaves he brought to Christianity, is The Monster.
Forget about reparations, forget about justice from Dr. Frankenstein. Just give all Native and African Slaves back the driver licenses with no restrictions and then we can drive into the sunset.
don't forget what the missionaries did to the Hawaiians - came in there and made them stop doing the native dances, going topless, etc. This world was made up of different races and religions, and no one should force their ideas and beliefs on anyone else - period. Introduce different ideas, etc., but let others decide for themselves if they want to adopt them, not FORCE them!
...what happend 100 years ago
Meanwhile....
45,000 people per month die in the Congo
Real slaverry is happening in over a dozen nations RIGHT NOW.
Another stellar example of peoples inverted priorities.
can you save the entire world from itself, SP?
...but you'd think at least we could get our priorities straight...?
american politicians run to these things when issues that frighten them are looming, like Fannie May, or Health care, or Taxes, or, heaven forbid, success in Iraq. It's far easier to wax on about slavery that no longer exists than face the pressing slavery problem in the world today.
This is also a good issue to illustrate the fauning, sychophantic relationship the liberal elite has with it's propaganda arm, the mainstream liberal media. After all of this, not a word about the pressing slavery that exists TODAY, yet Bush commits ONE slight and they'll drag it on for a week.
Fortunately, those press outlets are losing a whole generation of readers and listeners, plus a fortune to boot. THe LA Times let go 11% of it's journalism staff recently. Cuts totaling 25% are coming.
People are turning to the computer for their up-to-date news, so naturally papers are losing out. The main priority right now should be the worsening economy- period!
i feel that the us government should pay all the decedants of slavery. slavery has a big impact on how thw white people veiw us. we are still being consider second class citizens, i feel that we are entitle to the same compensation that the jews and american indians have recieved. our schools still do not teach about all the accomplisements that we have given to this country. hooray for Obama
why so many black men drop out of school, father many kids and aren't there to raise them? And why do so many black teen girls end up having multiple babies they can't take care of? Shouldn't the black community spend more time striving to help these situations? A good education would go a long way in bettering the condition. A few black celebrities have moreless tried to convey this message, but there needs to be a major overhaul!
...I happen to think we should pay the descendents of the Union army for freeing your ancestors. After all, if not for them, you'd probably still be picking cotton somewhere.
And you'd probably still be institionalized if it weren't for mainstreaming.
...drop the porn book, let go of your privates, run upstairs, and ask mommy for a new kind of retort.
And if SP4's ancestors hadn't immigrated to the U.S., he would probably be working in a mine somewhere..........
...assumption is the mother of all screwups.
Pay attention to your own spouts, ole decrepid one!
walk upstairs from the basement and ask mommy to send your three black step fathers out for a while, then ask her, if she herself is even literate, to write a meaningful response for you....
Like others have posted, you seem obcessed with a basement and your mother - hmmmmm? You criticize everything anyone says, always proclaiming you're right, and that also reeks of some sort of mental problem. It takes all kinds, but you seem to be one of a kind - thank god! Proclaiming a sorry for slavery won't do much at this point, but rather do like Obama has stated - see that schools are up to par so that all children can get a good education for one thing. And regardless of what Bush has said about no child left behind, they ARE being left behind in droves! Now, SP, if you want to talk more about basements - have at it!
And speaking of 'meaningful responses', when will you start? You have to be the king of denial if you think the nasty comments you usually make are 'meaningful'!
Nobody who was a slave is alive. Nobody who owned a slave is alive. What's the apology for? I'm sick of minorities whining about how bad things are, and how they deserve a free hand out. I know what we should do! Why don't we responsible, non-whining women band together? WE deserve an apology too for how we've been treated, and are still being treated. We're still being enslaved, raped, beaten, etc, etc, and they blame it on us no matter what state we live in. Oh, that's right, we don't whine about it. We fight back, then get off our lazy asses, get jobs, don't have babies we can't take care of, we don't blame others for our shortcomings, we don't break the law, we graduate from high school, we don't steal from people, shall I go on? This is just sick and wrong. EVERYBODY has something in their past that they can whine about. EVERYBODY has ancestors who were victims. GET OVER IT!! It's time to grow up and move on. You're responsible for yourself, nobody else made you the way you are. Somebody who was a slave over 100 years ago didn't turn you into a high school drop out with 3 children by the age of 19. Stop expecting a hand out, and start taking responsibility like the rest of us.
Oh?Aug 8th, 2008 - 18:36:04
Like others have posted, you seem obcessed with a basement and your mother - hmmmmm?
sp4 - obsesssed? Go look it up. Every time someone disagrees with me they trot out that old chestnut
You criticize everything anyone says, always proclaiming you're right, and that also reeks of some sort of mental problem.
sp4 - Telling people what you think, on a website made for this purpose, is a sign of mentalp roblems???
show me where I ever proclaimed I was right
It takes all kinds, but you seem to be one of a kind - thank god!
sp4 - Opinions are like libnazis, eveyone has one.
Proclaiming a sorry for slavery won't do much at this point, but rather do like Obama has stated -
sp4 - that was MY point....
see that schools are up to par so that all children can get a good education for one thing.
SP4 - What does slaverty have to do with education????
SP4 - Liberals say this all the time about public schools, to curry votes from the ed unions, while the Obama's of the world send their kids to private schools. Go add two and two here, Professor.
And regardless of what Bush has said about no child left behind, they ARE being left behind in droves!
sp4 - sure they are...by 1) themselves not showing up to school 2) by not doing the work 3) by libnazi unionized school teachers who are uselss 4) by the politicians on the left who protect their ed unions, at the expense of the student.
Now, SP, if you want to talk more about basements - have at it!
sp4 - yes, get out of yours and go see what the world is really like.
I they're many people out there like you, I'd rather stay down stairs, thank you.........
IF there are many people like you out there, I'd rather stay down stairs, thank you...........
Nobody alive today is or was ever a slave. Throughout history ALL cultures have screwed over another culture. Blacks in the USA need to stop there crying and the polititians need to grow a sack.
You want equality, stop asking for advantages and pulling the the old ace in the whole card whenever life doesn't go your way. I was born bare a**ed naked and poor just like you. Only I don't get a Caucasion month, or a Mrs. White beauty pageant, or a United Caucasion Collage Fund, or advantageous governmental hiring practices.
Get over it. Bring on True Equality. Stop crying.
We'd like you to stay there, too.
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