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In photos: 'USA Civil Forum - Obama and McCain'

By James Wray Aug 17, 2008, 7:50 GMT

Senator Barack Obama (L) high-fives Dr. Rick Warren (R) during the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. EPA/PAUL BUCK

Senator Barack Obama (L) stands with Dr. Rick Warren (R) following the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, on 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. Senator Obama won a coin toss for the right to go first. EPA/PAUL BUCK

Senator John McCain (L) and Dr. Rick Warren (R) during the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, on 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/SEAN MASTERSON

Senator John McCain (L) and Dr. Rick Warren (R) stand following the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. Senator Obama won a coin toss for the right to go first. EPA/PAUL BUCK

Dr. Rick Warren (R) and Senator Barack Obama (L) during the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/SEAN MASTERSON

Dr. Rick Warren during the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, on 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/SEAN MASTERSON

Senator John McCain (L), Dr. Rick Warren (C) and Senator Barack Obama (R) meet between segments at the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/PAUL BUCK

Senator John McCain (L), Dr. Rick Warren (C) and Senator Barack Obama (R) meet between segments at the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, on 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/PAUL BUCK

Senator John McCain (L) Dr. Rick Warren (C) Senator Barack Obama (R) during the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. EPA/SEAN MASTERSON

Senator Barack Obama (L) and Dr. Rick Warren (R) embrace prior to the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, USA, 16 August 2008. Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will pose questions to the presumed presidential nominees separately, in a non-debate format that will allow the candidates to engage in long form conversation about critical issues of interest to the general public and faith community. Senator Obama won a coin toss for the right to go first. EPA/PAUL BUCK

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So much for balance and impartialityAug 17th, 2008 - 10:08:00

Again, M&C has more photos from lower angles of Obama then McCain. On the story that ran with this there was another photo of Obama and none of McCain.

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Obama says abortion “above his pay grade”Aug 17th, 2008 - 10:18:44

DALLAS - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum. Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”
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Obama Lied About Vote Against Live-Birth Abortion Ban
By Warner Todd Huston (

Jill Stanek has done yeoman's work on uncovering the fact that Barack Obama and his surrogates have been outright lying about Obama's constant votes against the Live-Birth abortion bills when he was in office in the State legislature.

The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) both in the Illinois and Federal legislatures was meant to make illegal death by neglect of born but unwanted infants. (Allowing newborn to simply die on the table) These bills were opposed by the bulk of the Democrat Party because of the fact that the original bills could have been construed to say that a pre-birth fetus was a 'person' that was protected by law. So, the bill in Congress was altered to address that concern by adding a 'neutrality clause' that made it clear that the bill would not protect a fetus in utero.

As Obama continues to tell the tale, as a State Senator he said he voted against the Illinois bill because the Federal 'neutrality clause' was not included and that therefore he could not support the Illinois bill. Turns out he is not telling the truth about this fact. Even worse, he knows better because he was part of the legislative committee that added that very 'neutrality clause' to the very bill he voted against in 2003.

As Stanek found, Obama not only was part of that committee adding the Federal 'neutrality clause' to the Illinois bill, he was the chairman of that committee.

The documents prove that in March 2003, state Senator Obama, then the chairman of the IL state Senate Health and Human Services Committee, presided over a committee meeting in which the 'neutrality clause' (copied verbatim from the federal bill) was added to the state BAIPA, with Obama voting in support of adding the revision. Yet, immediately afterwards, Obama led the committee Democrats in voting against the amended bill, and it was killed, 6-4.

In other words Obama voted to allow babies who survived an attempted abortion and were born alive to be allowed to die of neglect.

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SP4: Obama's curious answerAug 19th, 2008 - 16:00:03

...'above his Paygrade'

????

'...well miss, you have a problem...law is the codification of morality, and all law is based on someone's morality. If you cannot apply morality to law, why are you trying to be a lawyer?' -

Newt Gingrich on MTV

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