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Don't you just love the PC crowd how they describe in this article 'indocumentados' insteald of illegals and how they have let their guard down and flaunt the 'rules' not laws. They want to take the sting out of what these people actually are. Lawbreakers who feel they are entitled to come here ILLEGALLY and not have to wait in line like the law abiding future citizens. Dremas! hogwash. they come here to take for themselves and take away from others and don't given me the hard working people just trying to make a living crap. People coming here legally are hard working and have dreams too and illeglas have no right to butt in front of the line.
I don't feel people should be able to come into the U.S. without the proper credentials, but I also believe when a baby or young child has been brought in with adults, then many years later that person is going to be deported into a country they know nothing about, is not the right way to go about this. That child had no say in the decision to come here illegally and shouldn't be held responsible if they have lived according to the law in every other manner.
...by letting these people who come into America for the express purpose of exploiting what were well-intentioned laws, they get by the immigration restrictions, and now, we are pilloried for the difficulties that follow. Go figure...
No, what we have here is a perfect case of the bleeding heart liberal. They bleed for the illegal alien but WANT weak borders, in the name of humane treatment, by some wierd twist of illogic.
Consider the point made above: the illegals come across an unsecured border, and then America is blamed for the arduous trip over.
Curious, no?
Were we to secure this border with a real barrier and an electronic frontier, all of this suffering would be spared, anti-drug efforts would improve, etc. Mexico would then have to deal with their populace instead of exporting it. Tell, me, where is the liberal elite on this, or even the conservative base?
The fundamental issue:
The typical U.S. citizen eats cheap food and they want more cheap food, as much as they can buy and stuff in their faces.
Mexican slaves are just a means to an end.
There is no problem here. The actual problem (how to get cheap food) has been solved.
America is so efficent at producing food, it is abundant and obesity is a huge problem.
Immigrint foreign labor only contributes about 1% of the value of american foodstuffs, so it's contribution is so small, as to be inconsequental.
That being the case, Lance, we can file your comments under 'just as full of crap as Lance's Bush-broke-the-bank-of England comment.
Now, Lance, go polish the metal plate in your head, preferably with a flat grinder. Ten, get busy on the Bush-Bank fantasy we're all dying to hear.
SP4: I see you have been googling some facts and posting them here. Too bad you have no idea what you are talking about.
How do I know SP4 (and his kind) are gaga!! stupid?
Many reasons. The first is that labor charges for food vary widely. A single figure could not even begin to describe labor situations.
The second is financial data. For example:
www.agf.gov.bc.ca/busmgmt/budgets/budget_pdf/berry/raspberry_hand_full_ prod_summer_2001.pdf
Has a spreadsheet showing projected income and expenses for raspberry production.
If you know how to read well then you can figure it out for yourselves.
The other way to know SP4 (and his kind) are gaga!! stupid is to simply know some farmers and listen to what they say.
Why is it important to understand SP4's point of view?
Easy:
He can not balance a checkbook. A checkbook is simply a balance sheet. Congress, the president and about 70% of the U.S. citizens can not do the same. They have no idea how to read a financial balance sheet and do not know how to live within a balance sheet restrictions.
Thus, they employ ideology like those of jesus to promote their arguments and ignore reality.
Such behavior has destroyed the United States Family Farm. To SP4, and his kind, he places such farms in ruination because he starves them of potential success in a REAL economy based on a balance sheet that exists in the REAL world.
Such things are going on all over the United States where people think payoffs under the table have no real consequences. From the U.S. president, congress right down to about 70% of U.S. citizens. They all think their illegal actions and associations have no consequences.
So, SP4: No only are you a person, you are also an archetype to personify 70% of the U.S. population, and a good explaination for the huge 10 trillion dollar federal debt.
And you better get off the ditch weed.
...manual labor in itself is only a fraction of the cost of food in the U.S. and farm labor from foreigners only counts for a fraction of that figure, if you use the total GDP number for food output versus the foreign labor component.
Like most people, you seem to think this accounts for a great deal, but in dollar terms, it's part of the pie is very small. In fact, it is actually shrinking, due to a pile of factors.
Raspberry production, on a commerical basis is a very good example: Most Raspberries, commerically grown, are harvested by machine, and are only sorted by human hands, not picked by them at all. In the near future, this step in the operation will be automated even further, virtually eliminating the human factor in the harvesting and grading operation altogether. Now there might still be a handful of farms doing a manual pick, but they get smaller every year.
Other types of ag products, like grains and cereal crops, are virtually automated in their harvesting, with only a machine operator and transport personnel required. In fact, this is the norm for most ag products i.e. dairy, meat, poultry, etc. Outside of some vegetable farming, ag is simply not very labor intensive anymore.
This is happening all over agriculture in the United States. The fact is, illegal Mexican labor has moved away from agricultural and is now moving into what are lucerative jobs in Construction, services jobs and other job markets, that pay a similar wage to what Americans earn for the same work.
So, Lance, go inform yourself and by all means, get back to us with that rediculous dissertation on how Bush broke the bank of England. Unlike you I don't need three posts to tell you that, do I?
Why don't you two just go and get a room.
Educate yourself:
Take a trip through the San Joaquin Valley and see for yourself.
Enlighten yourself.
...work as the food products specialist for your company for over five years and then come opine to us who have and then see what your razor sharp insight is worth. Tell us about your extensive knowledge on process, harvest and distribution. Shower us with your extensive expertise on agricultural economics.
Oh yeah, how's that doctoral thesis coming on how Bush broke the bank of England?
You are just blowing smoke, as usual.
Definition of a typical 'food products specialist':
An asshole bean counter that works to reduce costs of food year after year even if it means acquiring food sources that are tainted and produced by illegal workers. Works with ad department at food companies to pull fast ones on consumers. Figures out how to get 'Product of U.S.A' on food labels when the ingredients are from Mexico and China.
In other words: A general con artists and greedy S.O.B. that sucks up to the boss.
And the farmers are the ones getting screwed. They have to constantly battle unknown weather, labor, and in the end have to take whatever the price they are given. They don't get to set it, unlike most places. The price of their seed has skyrocked along with machinery. They have thousands invested at the start with no guarantee they will even have a crop.
'And the farmers are the ones getting screwed'
Absolutely true. I have seen it with my own eyes, first hand.
Because farmers can't make it they are forced to hire illegal workers and take government welfare handouts
or:
go bust and sell the family farm.
The honest ones go bust, the dishonest farmers choose the dark path. Unfortunately, many if not most farmers choose the dark path.
It happens year after year because people (like SP4 and his kind) fight to ignore the problems, and even make stories to pretend the problems do not exist. And the farmers, having made a difficult choice, are shamed into silence by the likes of SP4.
Wouldn't it be halarious if SP4 was a food products specialist in real life.
They define how much industrial waste can be in food and still call it food.
A good example is the recent FDA ruling on the amount of Melamine that can be in milk and still call it milk.
Us honest people call milk milk. Food products specialist call milk:
'What you use to call milk, but with industrial waste added'.
The ultimate con job where reality and fantasy blend into one. Perfect job for SP4 ... and for about 70% of the U.S. population.
..I'm a realist. Do some hire illegal aliens? Sure, just like they do in other businesses in America. My relatives dry farm seven thousand acres up north, so if I want a sob story, I've got one in my own family almost every year, and I certainly do not need to hear another one. Here is their postion: Farming is like any other business.
If you cannot open a ma and pa Wal mart, what makes you think a ma and pa farm is viable? They have to farm larger and larger chunks of land to get a return that justifies going on, year after year. Their business model succeeds because it is viable. Others do not because they are not viable.
Like one potato chip processor in Hermiston once told me 'farmers around here married college educated women and these women explained to their husbands, how little they were making. They went out and got other jobs and farmed on the side, or sold their farms, just like I went out and built this chip plant'.
Agribusiness is a business like any other and if you cannot make a go of it, do what other businessmen do and do something else. People just need to grow up. If you don't want illegal aliens, write your congressman.
Now, Lance, thrill us all with that doctoral on how Bush broke the bank of England.
..try treating you like an adult. It was, I'll admit, a waste of time, but I have one fault: I believe in people.
Now, run along and try explaining how Bush broke the bank of England to us all. America needs cheering up and you're elected the court jester.
U.S. immigration police keep up the good work. I look for Obama to issue a cease and desist order on kicking the beaners out right after his inaugaration.
Do you folks realize that ONE in TEN Mexicans now lives illegally in the US? Would you put up with that? Do you know what this has done to the Social Service infrastructure in this country? Do you realize the taxpayer pays their medical bills as well as our own, provides special classes and interpreters in schools as well as free lunches--not to mention food stamps, general welfare,subsidized housing. We are not made of money. There is NO reciprocity on Mexico's part. NONE! Currently there are 15 mexican nationals packed into a 3 bedroom home they rent,next to ours.They do not worry about getting sick or how they will pay for their babies births. WE do. A POX on all you do-gooders, as long as it's not YOU paying the price,you promote this suicidal agenda that we somehow must bankrupt ourselves because Mexico can't take care of it's own population.
Mexico enforces ITS immigration laws with a vengeance, then cries when the US tries to do the same. Illegals entering Mexico from central America are beaten and jailed before being thrown on a bus back to their native country. Nobody seems to care about that.
Lance,
I don't know where you come from or where you are coming from, but your view of both the world and the ag business are something else indeed.
The general trend in agriculture since the 15th Century has been toward automation. Not so many years ago oranges were a significant migrant employment source. Now a 'shaker and net' system does the work of dozens of people. Field size in the wheat basket has grown simply to allow for the enormous harvesting machines that run hub to hub to gather wheat.
Did you know that the rice capital of the world (in terms of yield) is Stuttgart Arkansas? When you fly across that section of the state it looks like there are enormous cities below you -- these are rice silos.
Less than 2% of the population of the U.S. feeds not only the U.S. but much of the world.
Everywhere you look technology has made food cheap -- not Mexican 'slaves'. Indeed, the areas where migrant labor are required are drying up. Only specialized food stuffs still use migrants. One of the key reasons for this is that migrants are a pain to deal with from a business point of view. Immigration laws may not be as well enforced as they should be but when you do get caught in places like Arizona you will be put out of business.
The Peoples Republic of California may have a different attitude toward this but, after all, it elects idiots like Pelosi and Boxer time and again. California will be in receivership shortly so this should change, one hopes.
I agree that farming is a business like any other. Gone are the days when a Mom and Pop farming operation can make a go of it like any other small business. When I made the comment about farming, I was referring to grain farmers, and like SP says, you have to farm more and more land to make the high price of equipment worth it, so it weeds out those who don't have any business sense. I would guess that grain farmers don't hire illegals as do the vegetable and fruit farmers of the west and south. And I'm like a lot of posters here - I can't usually make heads or tails out of what lance is trying to say......much like Palin when she rattled on and on and didn't really say anything.
You can't make sense out of what I say because you simply do not have the cognitive ability to perceive the problem.
For example: All that automation leads to massive chemical pollution.
And, no matter what you say, there are millions of illegals tending fields in California and elsewhere in the farming industry. Sure, you can point to a highly automated wheat field, but what you need to do is point to the right direction and area to identify the problem.
I don't expect you to understand it. Even when confronted with incontestable facts many people simply say that fact does not exist ... and it does not exist, in their mind.
So, go on maintaining your ignorance.
...face it, you know less about American Agriculture than you do english banking i.e. your tutorial on how Bush supposedly broke the Bank of England. Honestly, I did not think you could be more ignorant, but you prove it every time your fingers hit the keys on your computer. It's like my bowling score i.e. I think it can't get worse then I throw the next ball...
The luddite comment about automation leading to chemical pollution was impressvie, especially since farm automation has led to fewer lbs. of fertilizer used, less fossil fuel, more organic methods, etc. With new tech coming online, it will even save more i.e. scan tech for fruits and vegetables will increase recoveries by up to a third.
Now, please, finish the doctoral on how Bush broke the bank of England. I cannot wait to read that.
The people who come here aren't just good hardworking people looking for a better life. Some are here because they know that we offer a government sponsored free-for-all. They are crowding our classrooms, using valuable resources meant for children of legal immigrants and citizens. They are overwhelming our ERs, where they can get treatment free of charge, on our dime. That is why the quality of health care has dropped so much and costs have soared, especially in places like California. It is also why many ERs are closing. 80% of the ultra-violent gangs in our country are made up of illegals and/or children of illegals. Gangs like MS-13, which make the Tony Soprano mafia types look like altar boys. In border towns, we are seeing diseases that we had nearly eradicated in our country making a comeback. Deadly diseases like drug-resistant TB. I am a religious person. I believe in helping the poor and downtrodden, but I also believe in the rule of law, and our laws right now are a joke.
Yes some are here to work hard and make a living. I live in a heavily illegal immigrant populated area, and despite what the media say about them, these folks are far from hiding in the shadows. I can also tell you about the jobs that I primarily see them doing. Some do general repair work, others do gardening, but construction is the biggest area that I see them working in. I see them get picked up by construction company trucks to go work on builds that my ex used to work until the contractors decided that illegals were cheaper to employ. Bleeding hearts, like GWB, who say these people are doing jobs that American's won't do are fooling no one but themselves. Look at the mile long lines of legal applicants when meat packing plants are raided. Americans want the jobs, but illegals will do them for less money. Agriculture won't die without them, but will find another way to get the job done. Our government should deport these lawbreakers, and bankrupt the farms and companies that hire them.
'Agriculture won't die without them, but will find another way to get the job done.'
Amen!
And hopefully, that other way will be a legal way and not involve government welfare programs.
He refers to another dude as 'babe'
In regard to lance's retort. I wasn't talking about wheat fields - ever hear of corn and soybeans, city boy? And I didn't state that there weren't illegals working the fields in California. You always manage to double talk around the issue and do your own presumptions.
Middle W: As long as you now realize that I am right.
... there are a lot of illegal workers in the United States.
The typical United States citizens loves the U.S. and that includes everything in it, such as cheap slave labor. Otherwise, the typical United States citizen can get off their duff and kick them out.
But, until now they ignore the problem have voted to keep the slave labor because they love to stuff their face with cheap stuff.
Eat more, think less.
That is the motto of the typical U.S. citizen.
The typical U.S. citizen wants to sit in a big field of corn, soy or wheat and ignore looking at the problems elsewhere: The 7,000 square miles of dead zone those fields produce in the gulf of mexico, illegal workers in a different part of the country, or any number of other problems.
Sit in your corn, soy or wheat field U.S. citizen. Look towards the Middle East to make mischief while ignoring mischief in your own back yard.
What's a soy field?
soy is short for soybean.
A soy field has a variety of uses:
Crop rotation, feed for livestock and to a lesser extent human food and energy conversion.
Most soy in the U.S. is genetically modified making it unfit for consumption by those of us who are knowledgeable about food.
There is a very small section in a grocery store dedicated to organic non-GMO soy products. But, for the most part grocery stores cater to fat U.S. citizens that stuff their face like crazy and get various weight-oriented diseases like diabetes and circulatory related illnesses that causes them to die earlier.
And it make sense: The best customers of grocery stores are fat people that eat and eat and eat, especially this time of year.
Eating EXPENSIVE non-GMO organic soy helps the environment in many ways. Unlike huge automated farms, there is no nutrient runoff to mass kill marine life, the energy required to produce the food is 10 times less than meat products (on a calorie basis), and to some extent expensive organic products have a more limited, controlled and certified distribution system so are less prone to illegal activity such as illegal slave labor.
Farmers do not call their soybean fields soy fields, city boy. Soy is a product made from soybeans.
'The best customers of grocery stores are fat people' - come on, and you don't buy groceries or are you one of the 'fat people' so you know about what you spout. As far as illigals working on farms - they aren't working on the big corn,soybean and wheat farms. They are farmed with large, very expensive machinery that most farmers would not turn the operation over to others to operate.
'Soy is a product made from soybeans.'
That would be tofu.
Soy is short for Soybean.
Look in your dictionary:
soy |soi|
noun
another term for soybean .
ORIGIN from Japanese shō-yu, from Chinese shi-yu, from shi ‘salted beans’ + yu ‘oil.’
congratulation, but NO farmer I know calls it a soy field!
Soy - an oriental brown liquid sauce made by subjecting (soybeans) to long fermentation.......!
Guess I'll get in my combine with the giant hose and suck up some of that good old soy sauce in my 'soy' field.
Glad I missed all this....nonsense. I just passed what is one of the largest fruit processors on the west coast, and it looks like Mexico City.
What I do not do, is make an assumption that any of them are illegally here, and if they are, but provided meaningful documentation, the employer has done his job. Besides, if anyone is going to be checked by the government, this is the first place they stop.
REMEMBER: FOR EVERY JOB AN ILLEGAL HAS STOLEN, AN AMERICAN HAS LOST OUT! WHETHER IT IS A YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT TRYING TO WORK HIM OR HERSELF THROUGH AN EDUCATION OR AN ELDERLY AMERICAN TRYING TO SUPPLEMENT HIS OR HER INCOME TO SURVIVE OR A MIDDLE-AGED AMERICANS WOMAN OR MAN TRYING TO SUPPORT A FAMILY AND PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE - THESE ILLEGALS ARE STEALING THEIR JOBS AND COULDN'T CARE LESS. THEY DISRESPECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION BY DISRESPECTING OUR LAWS. THEY STEAL SOCIAL SERVICES, BANKRUPT OUR HOSPITALS AND NOT ONE HAS EVER TRIED PAYING ONE PENNY BACK, THEY STEAL OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE BY STEALING FROM THEIR EDUCATION SYSTEM, THE COMMIT CRIMES: MURDERING, ROBBING AND RAPING AMERICANS AND FILLING OUR PRISONS. A FULL THIRD OF OUR PRISONS AND MORE ARE FILLED BY ILLEGALS! IF AMERICANS CAN'T PUT FOOD ON OUR TABLES FOR OUR CHILDREN - ILLEGAL ALIENS DON'T CARE! 85% OF THEM ARE MEXICANS AND WHEN THEY VOTE, THEY VOTE FOR MEXICO - THE LAND THAT ABANDONED THEM AND THAT RUNS ON CORRUPTION & 'LA MORDIDA'. THEY MUST NOT GET AMNESTY!
Whats all this Bank of England crap, its a Jewish owed bank, try finding who controls it and what their religious back ground is.................
We receive our money from the World Bank, a Jewish Owned Bank !!
Better known as the Federal Reserve, with their planted people in the Executive Branch, to make sure the money loaned to us, goes to others, manly Israel.................
We have borrowed so much money, plus the interest, plus the cost of making it ( it costs 7 cents to make a 1 dollar bill, the Feds ( Jews )charge the U.S. for the full face amount ), and you wonder why Israel receives all the newest military technology from the U.S. Israel also passes on the technology we give them to the China, thus the U.S. is always coming up with new weapon systems. When you borrow from a single banking system, we always have to let them know what we are doing with their money, they want to see all the blue prints relating to military systems, else we don't get their money.................
We have borrowed so much money from Jewish Banks, that Israel has never helped us in 'ANY WARS AROUND THEIR NON-EXISIANCT STATE'. We have built a huge air base just for Israel, to go to war with Iran. Israel has never dropped any blood in Iraq. Just goes to show what happens when you borrow foreign money.................
The sooner Iran nukes Israel and their World Banking System, off the face of the map, the better for all. Lets pray Iran, sends a nuke to Hollywood, to remove all the media controlled, by the Jews................
To 4ps, if you think we are doing such a great job in Iraq, why don't you stand in one spot, outside in the open for up to 3 minutes in the Baghdad Green Zone in Iraq. I put a manikin in the open, it lasted for 6 minutes................... The U.S. will never win a religious war, no government will
And so it is....................
That last paragraph is so right on! A religious war can never be won because the U.S. can't comprehend other's ideologies!
now. All these subsidies that go for housing, healthcare and agriculture have to end now. We cannot afford it. Our national debt is at dangerous levels. It is wrong to be paying for people to be here illegally.
Isn't that what the government has been trying to do? Got any good ideas?
in the six figures by the time you add in all the social services thrown in. They have better benefits than the average working stiff. I thank George Bush for ignoring this breach of our borders and the raping of our system.
..that would be my guess...certainly not High School...
No one is saying Mexican immigrants aren't welcome. They absolutely are welcome. The U.S. welcomes everyone regardless of country of origin or nationality.
However, there are rules to entry that everyone must follow. Essentially, the primary rule that everyone must follow is this:
'YOU MUST WAIT IN LINE FOR YOUR FAIR TURN.'
That's it. That's the basic rule of entry in the states. If you fill out the paperwork, submit it, and wait in line for your turn, then you can get in. It's fair to everyone, and so very easy.
Unfortunately, there are those who want to cut in line ahead of everyone else. They want to cheat to get in. These people are called 'illegal immigrants'. Is it fair to everyone else to allow these people to cut in line? Is it fair to those who followed the rules and waited their turn? No, it is not.
What about the family from Poland with three daughters that have been waiting for 6 years for entry? Is it fair to them? What about the family from Russia? From Guatamela? Should we expect these families to wait in line while Mexicans gain entry free gratis? How is this fair to them?
There are rules and laws in every society that must be followed to maintain order. These illegal immigrants are cheaters who cut in line ahead of everyone else, broke the law and took the risk of being caught because they wanted to skip ahead of the line. Deportation is the appropriate course of action, as it was THEIR CHOICE to break the law, and there are consequences to that. The risk of cheating and cutting in line is you might get caught and they did.
The lesson here is that if you are honest and play by the rules, and don't be dishonest and try to cheat your way in, then you are welcome in the U.S. Otherwise, you will be deported, its as simple as that.
It is a federal crime to enter the USA illegally; otherwise they wouldn't have to sneak around like a bunch of coyotes in the night.
I think they should only process single, 5' 2'' 118 to 125 lb female college graduates who speak perfect American English with a minimum $60,000 income.
shoot all them damn wetbacks .
all them damn peckerheads
What I don't understand is the mexican mentality. They think it's okay to cross the border illegally, and take what they want, whether it's jobs or other people's belongings. What's wrong with them? Is it their country's culture to be criminals or something? I just don't understand why there's such a large percentage of them that are doing this. People from other countries enter America legally, why don't the mexicans? Is it just easier to do it illegally or something? I say ship the whole lot of them back, and start hand-picking the decent ones to bring back.
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