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JFK airport terrorist plot thwarted
By Stone Martindale Jun 2, 2007, 18:05 GMT
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'Four people have been charged. Three suspects are in custody: Russell Defreitas, a Guyana national, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir. Suspect Abdul Nur is still at large.'Gee... I wonder if this had anything to do with the religion of peace...
If you want an actual 'chilling plot', actual 'terrorism', actual murder, look at what America has done over the last few years.
I am sick of these 'thwarted' terrorist plots that are no doubt just more propaganda to justify why the US is compelled to go around the world bombing poor people and stealing their resources.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Palestine by proxy, Somalia.
Are the millions dead in these countries non-people?
Great, let the security lines get even longer and the inspections even more invasive. Looking forward to it...
'Defreitas is reportedly a former cargo worker at JFK who allegedly began to plot attacking the US last July or August...'
'CNN says the coalition of counter-terrorism law enforcement officials have been following the plot for a little less than one year; initiated in January of 2006.'
How could the 'counter-terrorism law enforcement officials' start following a plot in January 2006 which didn't even come to fruition until 'last July or August' [2006]??
What is wrong with the timeline here? If this is an error in reporting, it should be corrected swiftly. Or when was this reported? A little less than one year would be last July or August, not January of 2006.
Correct me if I'm wrong, or correct the story.
Don't confuse a few ignorant extremists with the religion of peace. They give us a bad name, but that is no excuse to generalize.
Maybe Islam needs a new passage in their Koran: And Allah brought forth a great load of explosives, bullets, and dead bodies, and said to Mohammed: 'Stop killing my people and my creation with your hate! I forbid it!'
'I am sick of these 'thwarted' terrorist plots that are no doubt just more propaganda to justify why the US is compelled to go around the world bombing poor people and stealing their resources.'
That's rational, you are sick of terrorist plots being thwarted... Spare us your arrested adolescent Marxist diatribes about 'resources'. We are at war with them because they have declared war on us. They have declared war on us because their religion tells them to.
It is time to take the gloves off before we have another 9/11
'Maybe Islam needs a new passage in their Koran: '
Some of their old passages:
Qur'an:9:5 'Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.'
Qur'an:9:29 'Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.'
Qur'an:9:88 'The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause.'
Qur'an:9:14 'Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.'
Qur'an:9:38 'Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.'
Qur'an:9:123 'Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.'
Qur'an 5:51 'Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.'
Qur'an 9:29 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.' [Another translation says:] 'pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.'
Qur'an 5:17 '...Say (Muhammad): ‘Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone else on earth?'
Qur'an 5:35 'Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.'
Qur'an 5:49 'And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah's purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.'
Qur'an 5:73 'They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.'
Qur'an 5:77 'Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah's indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.' [Another translation reads:] 'Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.'
Qur'an 5:80 'You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.'
Qur'an 5:82 'You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.'
Qur'an 5:117 'I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)'.
It goes on and on like this....
Well, the alleged terrorists are not from the Middle East. It's likely they were incensed by our actions in the Middle East and chose to rebel by conspiring to commit acts of terrorism. Wholesale punishment will just raise more furore. The US can continue its 'War of Terror' but if it does not do something POSITIVE for the international Muslim community as a whole, it will continue to face backlash. Apologizing for helping to depose the democratic ruler Mossadegh of Iran in the '50s would be a good start.
Sorry, should have been 'War on Terror.' I watched Borat last night, and that just came out. My bad...
'Well, the alleged terrorists are not from the Middle East.'
Well some are, but regardless, the problem is islamism, not people from the middle east.
'It's likely they were incensed by our actions in the Middle East and chose to rebel by conspiring to commit acts of terrorism.'
' It's likely they were incensed by our actions' Firstly read the quotes from the koran and secondly it does not matter what they were 'incensed' by, blowing up large portions of queens and killing thousands of people is not an acceptable way of 'venting' in any kind of civilization. Please stop making excuses for would be murderers and criminals.
'The US can continue its 'War of Terror' but if it does not do something POSITIVE for the international Muslim community as a whole, it will continue to face backlash.'
The 'international Muslim community' needs to do something POSITIVE for humanity, like renouncing terrorism, that would be a very POSITIVE development. As it is this 'backlash' has hit India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and elsewhere...
So obviously, obviously, obviously... The problem is not exclusive to the USA. It is only limited to wherever islamist and anyone of a different religion come into contact. In other words this is a war on the infidel that predated the war on terror that you like to put in quotes.
'Apologizing for helping to depose the democratic ruler Mossadegh of Iran in the '50s would be a good start.'
Don't you think that excuse for violence and savagery has worn a bit thin by now? It is 2007. Since then Iran has taken Americans as hostages and killed hundreds our people... Where is the apology?
'Sorry, should have been 'War on Terror.' I watched Borat last night, and that just came out.'
Turn off the Futurama and Borat and wake up to what humanity is up against.
Well, the War on Terror would be way more effective if the US, say ... oh, I dunno, actually tried getting Osama bin Laden. Now Iraq is an incubator for terrorism. The reason there haven't been so many terrorist plots blowing up US citizens in America is because the terrorists are blowing up US soldiers in Iraq. And I do read the news -- the US is looked upon as an occupying force in the middle east. If the British occupied the United States, what would we do? Use guerrilla tactics to get them out? Why yes, we would ... and we HAVE. Of course, their plight is different because we have dehumanized them.
Now look in the long run -- if we keep fighting them, they will just keep increasing in number. If we do something positive, however, some will actually realize that we are not as bad as the mullahs and madrassas have made the US out to be. There's actually kids in Iraq who think this way, but that's only a small positive in the wake of a large negative action. If we could get all of them to think that way, it would actually end terrorism. The sad truth is that killing terrorists creates more terrorists. So, all I'm saying is we need more creative foreign policy instead of just cleaning up the messes that have arisen from poor choices in the past.
And why don't you wake up and watch the Macneil-Lehrer NewsHour, the BBC, and 60 Minutes -- you might realize that the US is, for example, refusing to treat Iraq veterans who are in so much pain, all they can do is curl up in a ball on a gurney.
How are buried lines full of liquid jet fuel going to explode? They are presumably buried, full of fuel, and not in contact with enough oxygen to cause such a catastrophe.
you spelled skeptic wrong so how would you know what will blow up or what will not.
Is this just a criminal plot started with one man or are Middle East terrorists behind this??. It will be wise to find out before everyone goes crazy. There are a lot of criminals in all walks of life who hatch up these bizzare acts, and most of them are done by a single mind.
That would be the British spelling.
Here is a quote from a New York Times article:
But a spokesman for Buckeye Partners, the company that operates the pipeline, said that an explosion at a fuel-tank farm at the airport would not ignite the pipeline.
“It’s not like the pipeline is a stick of dynamite and the whole thing would blow up,” said Roy Haase, the Buckeye spokesman. “Pipelines don’t blow up.”
Sorry to ruin your hysteria.
Our intentions in Iraq have been good, but apperantly we under-estimated just how immature the Iraqi people are. Does anyone else see that it is not natural to set off bombs in marketplaces for the specific purpose of killing as many civillians as possible. I'm sick of people blaming the US for the actions of murderous thugs.
It's pretty clear that our law enforcement agencies have had a pretty soft snap so far. I am not impressed by the terrorists at all, and I am even less impressed by the news coverage of this thwarted plot.
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your ignorance puts the foulest taste in my mouth. i suppose they need to allow another terrorist attack to occur in our home country for you to believe that these 'islamic fundamentalists' and the countries that harbor and fund them are truly a threat to us. but then again, no you wouldn't. you thrive on hating the country that has given you the right to practice your beligerent freedom of speech, and allows you without penalty to have so many opportunities and freedoms that you take for granted. you're like a piggish child who had runs all over the parent that thought it should let you be free to make your own decisions and be spoon fed everything and allowed to say and behave as you chose fit. and you spit in its face. So if you can't appreciate this country for all it has done for the entire world, the gracious amount of money it funds to the animal called the UN that stabs us in the back at every opportunity then i only have one thing to say to you, you ignorant slime.
GET OUT...
@ZombieJesus
'Well, the War on Terror would be way more effective if the US, say ... oh, I dunno, actually tried getting Osama bin Laden. '
We tried, the little cowardly she dog ran away and hid. Remember? The whole Afghanistan thing? Ran away and sent others to die? Ringing any bells here?
'Now Iraq is an incubator for terrorism. '
These islamists didn't come from Iraq.
'The reason there haven't been so many terrorist plots blowing up US citizens in America is because the terrorists are blowing up US soldiers in Iraq. '
Give the lady a cigar, that is EXACTLY why we are in Iraq. They are blowing up each other and anything that gets in the way as well.
'If the British occupied the United States, what would we do? Use guerrilla tactics to get them out?'
They are slowly occupying the USA as the 'multiculturalists' continue to drag down the UK and they look for a place to escape to. Regardless, we were minding our own business over here when they blew up the World trade center the first time, we tried to ignore them when they blew up our embassy's in Kenya, We hid in our happy place when our soldiers were dragged through the street in Mogadishu, We hoped they would go away when they blew up the Cole, We ignored countless murders and acts of mindless violence directed at us until they hijacked aircraft full of people and flew them into buildings full of people. You are trying to put the cart before the horse in order to come up with a lame excuse for their savagery. Why is that? Is it ok to slaughter people if you think you might have a grievance? They do it every day all over the world.
'Why yes, we would ... and we HAVE. '
What is this 'We' Sh!t? You were buisy watching Borat,remember? There are other people out there doing your fighting for you.
'Now look in the long run -- if we keep fighting them, they will just keep increasing in number. If we do something positive, however, some will actually realize that we are not as bad as the mullahs and madrassas have made the US out to be.'
That is unbelievably naive. Child like actually. Look at what they raise their children to believe:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXefcvXCM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-MnAYiEWk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4
www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/1747.htm
switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=2 14&ar=1468wmv
Islamism is not a religon, it is a political philosophy masquerading as a religon. Like Nazism with God rolled up in to it. The idea that if we just be nice with them is beyond infantile. It is like saying that the Nazis would have been nice folks if we would have only remembered to send them all birthday cakes. Why don't you go hug a suicide bomber? Go sing kumbaya with someone who wants to saw your head off.... If you are the wrong religion they want to kill you or make you convert. They want power over you. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
'The sad truth is that killing terrorists creates more terrorists. '
Sooner or later they will run out. I live in New York and I saw them fly the aircraft into the towers. There are a whole bunch of them that very desperately need killing.
'So, all I'm saying is we need more creative foreign policy instead of just cleaning up the messes that have arisen from poor choices in the past.'
What I am saying is that you are unbelievably naive to think that we can make these monsters go away bu saying nice things to them. They see 'poor choices in the past' as going back 1500 years, they have a victim mentality that is purely divorced from reality. They are indoctrinated to hate and provided with countless nonsensical excuses to commit unspeakable crimes.
'And why don't you wake up and watch the Macneil-Lehrer , the BBC, and 60 Minutes'
I do. (The BBC is biased crap by the way.)
'- you might realize that the US is, for example, refusing to treat Iraq veterans who are in so much pain, all they can do is curl up in a ball on a gurney.'
I am a veteran and the best care I have gotten, bar none is at the VA. I would be very curious to see the report that says otherwise. Could it be that you are just seeing what you want to see? Please, grow up and stop making excuses for terrorists. There is no excuse for their savagery. None.
Hmmm,
The bigoted scum that's making comments here is drawing my attention more than the scum they arrested in the plot. Doubt they contribute anything more than stupidity to our nation.
As we compete in this global market we are going to have 'exterminate' the ignorants from our work ranks...oh wait, China is gonna take care of that!
One more thing:
''If the British occupied the United States, what would we do? Use guerrilla tactics to get them out?''
We would never completely randomly slaughter people without rhyme or reason, we would never deliberately target civilians, we would never fill school gyms full of children and set off bombs, kill people by drilling their brains out through their eyes,saw off their streaking heads and put the video on the internet, we would never commit the monstrous, inhuman crimes that they commit on a daily basis.
Dont waste your time with these idiots. We had 8 years of Gore and Clinton and what do you get...You got it...These idiots on here couldn't worry about the global warming fraud if Bush wasn't fighting their war on terror for them...
Are you a patriotic terrorist?
If you are intensely critical of the US, while tolerating homicidal enemies who condemn everything you previously claimed you are for - human rights, voting rights, gay rights, women's rights, porn - then you're a patriotic terrorist.
If you talk about tolerance constantly - and hilariously tolerate genocide and suicide bombers because those actions undermine your more intimate opposition, the American right - then you're a patriotic terrorist.
The only difference between a patriotic terrorist and a real one? Real terrorists are simply patriotic terrorists who've taken the extra step - choosing to actually die for their beliefs - rather than simply talking about them at Spago. If Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, Michael Moore, and their ilk had real cojones, they'd all be wearing cute black vests - but stuffed with more than dog-eared copies of Deterring Democracy.
Let's see 'fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here'. Another real fine job the administration is doing. This is more than likely a great story to get the neo-cons slapping each other on the back. Oh well we only have around 18 more months of this.
'Dont waste your time with these idiots. '
Good advice, I just honestly can't understand how there are some people out there who are so unbelievably blinkered that they can not their heads around the magnitude of what we are genuinely up against. They want to blame it on the USA when it has been going on all over the world, or they want to blame it on Bush or 'the neo-cons ' when it has been going on long before he got into office. Whatever the issue, politicalization has eclipsed all reason to the point where their arguments just do not make any sense, yet they still keep repeating them over and over.
Yes, a waste of time, but someone needs to rub their ignorant noses in in it until they can see that this is a fight for humanity and common decency against murderous scumbags that unfortunately can not be dealt with in any other way.
Gee wiz...
I hope they catch the other guy.
And to the agent who foiled the attack,
Right on!!!
A few more might wake up when they release a suitcase nuke. Maybe not, most here have a 9/10 mentality.
I cannot print the words that I am screaming in my head at you people who are blaming the USA for 'making these terrorist's mad at us' I am so sick of THAT, I could puke. If something bad happens (and I mean ANYTHING, ANYWHERE), of course it's Bush's fault. If something good happens (like today), Oh, it has to be Bush lying to look good & scare us. In my whole life, I never thought I would see as much hate and sore losership that is in this country now. The hatred for their own country seemed to have started with Watergate (thanks Woodward and Bernstein) and since then every reporter wants to impeach a president, hence the brainwashing of ignorant minds by the liberal media. Yeah, they got Clinton, who I didn't care for, but I DID NOT HATE HIM like you people do Bush. I don't think he should've been impeached either. I guess I'm more 'tolerant' than you libs claim to be, when compared to how you treat Bush. Jesus, every move he has made, it's 'Impeach Him. Impeach him' What children you are. Let's 'get even' kids!
If the Dems win this election and a terrorist strike happens here nine months after Bush is gone, will libs say, 'He/She (the new Pres.) should have known!!!' Hell no, it will be 'Bush caused this by the war' or 'Bush should have caught this before it happened' Well, by that token, when 9/11 happened, CLINTON should be blamed as he was Pres for 8 years, Bush for 9 months. Who should have been more up to date? They didn't plan that attack in 9 months, people. When it happens under a Democratic president, I, for one will blame the TERRORISTS, not our President. THAT is being a grownup, a realist, a patriot who loves their country. The only bad thing is, I bet none of you liberal, tolerant, Bush-hating, country-hating dumb***** will be the ones killed or hurt. No, you idiots will live and get off on blaming Bush. Please go start your own country, that way when these Islamic animals bomb you, you cannot blame the USA. What am I saying, you would anyway. That is all you know how to do. When George W. Bush as been dead & buried for 50 years, you will still be blaming him for every broken fingernail you get. Pathetic.
There should be swift justice and the death penalty for these characters...Zero tolerance.
Outlaw this criminal cult called 'Islam' founded by this pervert murderer and rapiost 'Muhammed'.
This just goes to show us that America is about as vulnerable as 9/11/2001, and that this 'war on terror' hasn't done a thing to 'make us safer.'
'Attack them before they attack us on our soil' is a stupid, ignorant line of thinking. I bet that's exactly what the 9/11 pilots were thinking. It didn't work too well for them...
I think if anything, we are WORSE off. We are in a MORE vulnerable position than we were back in 2001. With no reason to be in Iraq, we're as bad as terrorists, and people hate us and have reason to bomb us now.
'They bomb us because they hate freedom' is old and worn out. No one wakes up one day and says 'today is a good day to bomb so and so.' Maybe they hate us because we bomb and invade their country, rape their women, piss on their dead bodies and sexually harrass them as prisoners of war?
'Attack them instead of wait for them to attack us on our soil' is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The best thing we can do against terrorism is PREVENTION. It's what NORAD should have done back in 9/11/2001. Why did they stand down? Why is everything being done to 'thwart attacks' AFTER the fact? It's 9/11 that should have been prevented, idiots...
Oh. And one more thing.
It's not extremist Muslims who have invaded and occupied a country; it's extremist Christians.
Christian US Soldiers dead, more than 3,000. Muslim Iraquis dead, more than 600,000. Oh those dangerous Muslim Iraquis.
Perhaps we need to 'Ditch the Bible?'
'Credible intent' since Jan. of 2006, but 'not operational' and 'no explosive devices'. Was it really a plot, or just a crazy talk more than a year ago?
Thereseems to be a lot of confusion here .Read the article and then tell me again if this was a professional attempt ,a real terrorist attack .Hopnestly I find the utter ignorance and stupidity if the culprits more in line with sensationalism than with a real political or religious agenda .There certainly was no big terrorist organization behind it .
But was it the deed of people influenced by extremist religious zeal ?Quite likely in fact ,those guys were indeed islamists .Where they indoctrinated by fanatic mullahs some where in an obscure madrassah in Iran ,Saudi Arabia or Pakistan ?Nothong leads to that hypothesis and guessing from the circumstances and whereabouts of the would-be perpetrators I dont think so /Untill now we can only make educated guesses about most of the motives and circumstances ,right ?
Yet the usual extrapolating takes place .THis is turned into a worldwide looming menace doctored by an evil religious community,featuring millions and millions of zombie militants ready to obey the ayatollahs in Iran or in Farawayistan.Likely,no?Some guys even posted excerpts from the Quoran to 'prove' the hatred of Islam towards other religions .
These are flawed .I could turn any relgion into a menace for human society based on those coldwar propaganda techniques .Didn't you know Christianity and Jewish relgion require human sacrifices from their believers ?Well I could cite from the bible and tell you the story of a guy named Abraham and his son Isaac .Never mind the whole story ,I could just cite you the part where god asks for the sacrifice of Isaac ..By tha way I could just as easily use the Bible,especially the OT to demonstrate that Jews claim to be the 'Choosen People of God ' ,with a blanco cheque from their god to conquer,slaughter anyone who is not part of their people .THey even have the duty to slaughter their livestock,destroy orchards,etc,etc,.Religions can tell you all these things ,any of them .No need to lay the blame only on Islam as it is just a step ahead of Christianity and Jewish religion .All of them belong in the garbage dump of history .
Too bad that even in a country which claims to be the pinnacle of Freedom there is a drive from religious zealots to interfere with political life .Yes indeed the US oif A where one third of the population seems te believe the world is only 6000 years old,dinosaurs and humans coexisted ,the worldwide flood was a real event,etc,etc.Could some of the posters perhaps busy themselves with fighting religious extremism in their own country ?What to think of a president that states ' may god CONTINUE to bless America unchallenged ?Is there a god blessing America over and over again ?Is there nobody noticing the evident propaganda tactics residing in this kind of statement,apart from mingling politics with religion ?
Very well put Tonny. The mindless grip of a religion on a large portion of america is frightening enough for other 'christian' countries. Imagine what it's like for other religions. God Bless America ? What on earth for ?
Another point - the average american's lack of knowledge about the geography of the world: A poster in an earlier page said some of the arrested people were from the Middle East - since when was Guyana in the Middle East ? Yet more ignorance
This is such obvious propaganda. Every time Bush gets his stupid ass in trouble they come up with one more of these thwarted plans. He's in Europe for the G-8 summit this week. I hope he doesn't make it back. They're already fighting the police in Germany.
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Those peace loving, honorable, Muslim people.
THEY ARE THE MOST BANKRUPT PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER EXISTED IN THE HISTORY OF MAN.
HEY ALL YOU LIBERAL GIVE PEACE A CHANCE PEOPLE; YOU ON THEIR HIT LIST JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN! THEY ARE AT WAR AND YOU/WE ARE THEIR ENEMIES.
THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE OF OUR SUCCESS AND THEIR FAILURES;
THEY ARE TAUGHT THAT THIER FAILURES ARE DUE TO OUR/THE WEST'S SUCCESS.
THE WORLD IS CHANGING FAST, VERY FAST AND OF ALL THE WORLD/ CHINA, INDIA, JAPAN, NORTH AMERICA. THE MUSLIMS ARE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PROGRESS LIST AND SLIPPING FAST. SO THEY FEEL THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. ADDITIONALLY A LITTLE COUNTRY LIKE ISREAL , AND ISREALS SUCCESS CORTORIZES AND INFLAMES THEIR INFERORITY; HENCE IF THEY CAN DESTROY ISREAL THEY WILL FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES. WELL WE ALL KNOW THAT IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL THEY WILL JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT AND THE NEXT BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO DESTROY THAN IT IS TO BUILD.
BY THE WAY CHARITY WILL NOT WORK, THEY TAKE AND IT GOES TO THE ARAFAT TYPES. BY THE WAY WHERE DID THE $$$$3 BILLION DOLLARS THAT ARAFAT WAS HOLDING FOR HIS PEOPLE EVER END UP???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARITY JUST MAKES A FEW VERY VERY RICH. TERRORISM IS BIG BUSSINESS!!!!
e'em LOVE'EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This does look suspiciously like a 'spin' exercise to divert attention away from Bush's problems with G8 and Climate Warming.
The timing looks all wrong from the plot aspect - security services would normally wait for all suspects to be picked up at the same time. To have one out of the country is either because their hand was forced for political reasons or because they had lost track of him (pretty incompetent if so).
Also the plot seemed to be at a very early stage, the plotters didn't even have explosives available, so one would normally expect the security services to wait, with the suspects under surveillance, on the hope of picking up further plotters who might become involved, as in one of the cases in England where the security services replaced plotter's explosive with a benign substance and then waited to catch the whole group
The scale of the plot is also largely conjectural - blowing up jet fuel lines is hardly 'one of the most chilling plots imaginable'. If just the lines are blown up, the supply would be turned off. If some storage tanks were affected, it would normally be the practice for them to be in discrete groups, so that problems from one or two could be confined and not affect others. (as with the accidental fire at a similar tank farm in England recently).
And the overblown conjecture about an attack on JFK putting the 'whole country in mourning' is just feeding the already high level of paranoia in america.
This all looks like a smoke screen so that Bush elsewhere can have 'a good day to release bad news'
REPLY TO 'SICK OF IT' said: 'So if you can't appreciate this country for all it has done for the entire world, the gracious amount of money it funds to the animal called the UN that stabs us in the back at every opportunity then i only have one thing to say to you, you ignorant slime.
GET OUT...'
News for you buddy - I'm not from America ('Land of the Free' - ha ha ha ha!) so sorry, but I can't 'get out'. Suppose it didn't even occur to you that not everyone is from America. Get your head out your butt.
If I was, I probably would have got out as I would be none too proud of living in a country that has murdered god only knows how many millions of people in the last 60 years alone. I would certainly be none too proud of living under the rule of a complete moron who only understands bombing, maiming and inflicting suffering on people.
The real fundamentalists can be found in the White House (and in Downing Street) - people who only recognise the deaths of white people and who lie their way into declaring wars on nations that pose no threat in order to steal their resources and dominate a strategically important area. It's called imperialism - look it up sometime.
And guess what, even if Iraq did have WMD (which everyone with a brain knows they never did), so what? America has the largest stockpiles of WMD and ACTUALLY USE THEM every single goddamn day, killing people in huge numbers. The latest bombing raid is on Somalia, one of the poorest countries in the world. How can some people in America not be so completely and utterly ashamed of that?
So quit your whining and bigotry about the 'Islamic fundamentalists' - Muslims couldn't keep up with all the blood on America's hands if they tried their hardest.
No one around the world is fooled anymore - we all see through the evil empire and their lie after lie (as I have no doubt that this latest 'terror plot' is - oh look, the G8 is coming up where they will once again make a load of decisions to descend the world into further shit and chaos - better wheel out a 'terrorist plot' to fool the thick-heads!)
Those still fooled by all this really need to get an education - before you all lead us straight into World War III already. Your ignorance is killing the world.
To sick of it! I am curious where you are from? What country cannot say they have not had blood on their hands?? NONE! All of them have at some point in time! The only reason that you bash the US is it is the easiest scapegoat! In our history we have shown that we have assisted and liberated many people at the cost of American's blood, loaned all kinds of money to countries which will never be repaid and have thousands buried all over the world defending the principle of democracy and freedom. If your country has contributed to these principles and has never had blood on their hands or done anything regrettable then please share this with the rest of us so we can live in the same Utopian society that you do. It sounds divine! The US has made many mistakes as well as many other countries throughout history but we have also contributed alot to the rest of the world as well. It is always easier to point out faults and criticize than to say anything positive. Just the right to be able to criticize and bash is a principle that America has defended for hundreds of years- Freedom of speech and freedom comes with a price on it, paid in blood by folks that believed these principles enough to die for them and give others the opportunity to do what I believe you take for granted.
'Muslims are vermin?'
I wonder why it is that people feel a need to post such things. Good news is that I travelled to the United States and was treated with respect. That's the kind of society that people should protect.
People who try to kill innocents, no matter what their faith, are criminals. With a good justice system that applies to all, the rich and the poor, we have a hope for our world.
I won't comment on Iraq, as it is very worrying; everyone is sick of it. What justice for the liars who perpetrated it?
What justice for billionaire Osama Bin Laden? I find it amazing that no one that I have seen so far has made the case, has connected the dots. It's important for the education of the world for people to understand the truth.
It doesn't help to have people lie, and it doesn't help to have an actual war with Iraq going on with people muslims and others alike protesting a war that has destroyed a country.
The saddest cut of all is that the debate is over. The Bush Administration lied over and over to make its case; Tony Blair's and Blairism (to equalize the classes) was besmirched.
The road to hell from good intentions: we're all on it now, calling people 'vermin' to incite a response is pathetic and sad. We need solidarity and we need to care for our fellow citizens of the earth.
S - defended freedom of spech for 'hundreds of years' - well, just over 200, which does only marginally qualifies as 'hundreds'. Unfortunately, being such a young country you are still very much at the terrible teenager stage
You must have looked in the mirror. Islam and Muslims are two different entities, one is the belief anf philosophy and the other is a practitioner. If a practitioner adds cyanide to his medicines {BIN LADEN, TAALIBAN ETC.}, or learns from those who add cyanide to every medicine {TRAINERS OF BIN LADEN AND HIS FORCES, TAALIBAN ETC.}, would it mean, the profession of medicine is bad, with all sincere practitioners in the world?
THE TRUE REPLY IS....NO!!!
If the non Muslim world did not commit themselves to using Muslims and altering Islam, for their own vicious purpose, particularly to defeat each other, to create their version of 'MOJAHIDEEN' then what we taech is, the total or ballanced Islam. Where defense is the name of the game of fight, and once enters offence, then Islam is dead.
TRY TO FIND JUST ONE SUICIDE BOMBER IN THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION OF IRAN from 1962 to 1978, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY. BUT THE WEST HATES ISLAMIC REVOLUTION, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SELL TO THE IDEA OF ALTERED ISLAM. SOME STUDENTS TOOK OVER THE US EMBASSY, THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED ALL OF THEM, BUT THE ELDERS CAME INBETWEEN. IT TOOK LONG TIME TO CALM DOWN THE SITUATION, BUT THE FREED ALL. WE DO NOT CONDONE THE TAKING OF DIPLOMATS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DUPLICITS, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE THE LETTING THEM GO FREE.
It is not like what the present US administartion is doing to arrest the diplomats, and no one from UNO to US public who dares say, ''NO'' to Bush. The goverment will find some thing to send GITMO. May be under the pretext that they saw a dream in their sleep, of destroying some thing in ''THE FREE WORLD''
Listen to Khal Shariff! He makes some good points.
''Attack them before they attack us on our soil' is a stupid, ignorant line of thinking. I bet that's exactly what the 9/11 pilots were thinking. It didn't work too well for them...'
Well on the upside for the islamic terrorists, they now have IDIOTS making excuses for them and trying to blame the crimes they committed on the victims they committed them on. Idiots like you Joe in Ca.
'I think if anything, we are WORSE off'
We should have sent them a thank you card after 9/11. right?
''They bomb us because they hate freedom' is old and worn out. '
How about they bomb us because we are infidel kaffer? they bomb us because they have been indoctrinated to hate our guts from childhood?
'The best thing we can do against terrorism is PREVENTION. '
Working on it, I am sure you would be right there with the rest of your divorced from reality, side with Osama to take a swipe at Bush mentality IDIOTS, in order to scorn our efforts at 'prevention' as well. True 'Prevention' is closing ourself off from the rest of the world which would destroy our economy which is one of Al Quedas stated goals.
'. Why did they stand down?'
They didn't you drooling 'truther' conspiracist half wit.
'Christian US Soldiers dead, more than 3,000. Muslim Iraquis[sic] dead, more than 600,000. Oh those dangerous Muslim Iraquis[sic].
1) This is a secular society, the soldiers that are out there defending your 1st amendment right to trash them like an ungrateful moron do not represent any religion. They took an oath to the constitution, not Christianity.
2) The discredited Lancet study that you quote is so over the top BS that no one but the most idiotic propagandists and 'truther' connspiracists quote it any more. Idiots like you 'Joe in Ca'.
3) I notice you don't have any response to the quotes in the Koran that outline why we are at war with these monsters. Maybe it is because you would have a hard time blaming it on Bush or the USA or your other all purpose scapegoats. You have an infantile, paranoid mind 'Joe in Ca'.
Perhaps we need to ditch you, idiot.
You are sick alright.
'News for you buddy - I'm not from America'
You are just an attention whore from just another country.
'If I was, I probably would have got out'
Everyone is happy then.
'It's called imperialism - look it up sometime.'
Sanctimony from an arrested adolescent Marxist, You are a cleche of the adolescent Trotskyite. A lemming. Grow up attention whore.
'The latest bombing raid is on Somalia, one of the poorest countries in the world. How can some people in America not be so completely and utterly ashamed of that?'
Ashamed? LOL! We went to go feed them and they killed our soldiers and dragged their bodies through the street. They are poor for the same reason you are going to be, they are clueless.
'So quit your whining and bigotry about the 'Islamic fundamentalists' '
Terrorists, asshole, the word is terrorists. It is not 'bigotry' (unlike your anti-Americanism) to call a terrorist a terrorist.
'No one around the world is fooled anymore -'
LOL, here it comes, the attention whore is so megalomaniacal that she thinks she can speak for the entire planet... These self proclaimed moral authorities are a hoot, defending islamism, the most intolerant theology on earth while fancying themselves 'liberal'. Such stereotypical adolescent angst, such bandwagon hopping, pure attention whoring to win approval of an undifferentiated peer group.
' we all see through the evil empire and their lie after lie'
We, the entire world... See everyone, the attention whore says so.
'(as I have no doubt that this latest 'terror plot' is - oh look, the G8 is coming up '
Aaah yes, another conspiracy from another infantile mind. Blame the victims. This is a 'distraction' from the G8 no doubt, otherwise people would be impressed with the angst ridden, black wearing teenage pests and their giant paper mache puppets and Molotov cocktails. It is easer to attack a Starbucks then it is to get a job, isn't it attention whore?
'Those still fooled by all this really need to get an education'
And bring it on home with the adolescent attention whore clenches: You are uneducated if you do not agree with me, the attention whore who speaks for the world!. You are not educated, you are indoctrinated. There is a big difference. Education teaches people to think for themselves indoctrination produces rabid, bigoted, stupid, pompous attention whores, like you.
'I wonder why it is that people feel a need to post such things.'
Because instead of denouncing terrorist plots like the one outlined we see many who seek to make excuses for them.
'Good news is that I travelled to the United States and was treated with respect.'
I am happy to hear that. I have traveled throughout the middle east and for the most part the reception was the same. That doesn't change the fact that we are sick of lunatics trying to kill us in order to get their 72 black eyed virgins in paradise.
'TRY TO FIND JUST ONE SUICIDE BOMBER IN THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION OF IRAN from 1962 to 1978, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY. '
Iran invented the islamic suicide bomber.
'SOME STUDENTS TOOK OVER THE US EMBASSY, THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED ALL OF THEM, BUT THE ELDERS CAME INBETWEEN'
Good grief...
'WE DO NOT CONDONE THE TAKING OF DIPLOMATS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DUPLICITS, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE THE LETTING THEM GO FREE. '
Iran has also taken Journalists, clergy, aid workers and British sailors hostage. It is a barbaric practice.
'It is not like what the present US administartion is doing to arrest the diplomats,'
Iranian revolutionary guard handing out weapons are not 'diplomats.'
'May be under the pretext that they saw a dream in their sleep, of destroying some thing in ''THE FREE WORLD'''
Maybe they sould work on freeing themselves instead of killing infidels.
mullah cimoc say ameriki needing for remember mentally retarded black mans in florida. big terrorists??? like bush say or all the big lie. A. Big lie and sometimes the provocation by government secret agent.,
please ameriki need google: mighty wurlitzer +cia
usa government so afraid now. him army man getting the picked off every day more and more
to reach the majic number of him ten black body bags each day as
gift for ameriki people.
him legal strategy to backfire and them finding themselves face the war crimes charge.
him ameriki ruler elites make up the even more lies each day for mind control ameriki people.
Soon maybe braveheart ameriki leading resistance against israeli spies in whitehouse
and pentagon--then aemrika be the free once again .
this bible justice. masters in tel aviv thinking: yes, we send our slaves the ameriki
for attack our enemy him arab. then so confident. who can estimation that total ameriki
society destroy and israeli masters face the true destruction. that why this bible justice.
all president candidate him him only the two qualification: traitor to usa people and main goal
to serve him master in tel aviv.
@mullah cimoc
Me number one son you number 10, you savvy. Me get in big sky canoe drop'em JDAM on your hut, Big kaboom go you to hell.
Not actually applying to this situation, but shouldn't Americans listen to what these 'terrorists' say and maybe we can see why they want to blow stuff up.
'shouldn't Americans listen to what these 'terrorists' say and maybe we can see why they want to blow stuff up.'
Already covered:
Qur'an:9:5 'Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.'
Qur'an:9:29 'Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.'
Qur'an:9:88 'The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause.'
Qur'an:9:14 'Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.'
Qur'an:9:38 'Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.'
Qur'an:9:123 'Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.'
Qur'an 5:51 'Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.'
Qur'an 9:29 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.' [Another translation says:] 'pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.'
Qur'an 5:17 '...Say (Muhammad): ‘Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone else on earth?'
Qur'an 5:35 'Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.'
Qur'an 5:49 'And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah's purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.'
Qur'an 5:73 'They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.'
Qur'an 5:77 'Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah's indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.' [Another translation reads:] 'Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.'
Qur'an 5:80 'You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.'
Qur'an 5:82 'You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.'
Qur'an 5:117 'I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)'.
mullah cimoc say ameriki needing for remember mentally retarded black mans in florida. big terrorists??? like bush say or all the big lie. A. Big lie and sometimes the provocation by government secret agent.,
please ameriki need google: mighty wurlitzer +cia
usa government so afraid now. him army man getting the picked off every day more and more
to reach the majic number of him ten black body bags each day as
gift for ameriki people.
him legal strategy to backfire and them finding themselves face the war crimes charge.
him ameriki ruler elites make up the even more lies each day for mind control ameriki people.
Soon maybe braveheart ameriki leading resistance against israeli spies in whitehouse
and pentagon--then aemrika be the free once again .
this bible justice. masters in tel aviv thinking: yes, we send our slaves the ameriki
for attack our enemy him arab. then so confident. who can estimation that total ameriki
society destroy and israeli masters face the true destruction. that why this bible justice.
all president candidate him him only the two qualification: traitor to usa people and main goal
to serve him master in tel aviv.
If you hate this country so much get the hell out.
Just move several hundred miles to the west , without a life preserver you assclown----
600000 my ass most estimates place it at around 45 to 50000 with 75% of the deaths coming from muslim on muslim violence
Your Quote-----
I could turn any relgion into a menace for human society based on those coldwar propaganda techniques .Didn't you know Christianity and Jewish relgion require human sacrifices from their believers ?Well I could cite from the bible and tell you the story of a guy named Abraham and his son Isaac .Never mind the whole story ,I could just cite you the part where god asks for the sacrifice of Isaac .
Gos never had him kill his son --dumbass--he tested his faith--something you would know nothing of cause your an antheist.No where in Jewish or Christian teachings is any person sacrificed.You just want to bring the rest of the world down to your level of perversion so you can feel normal yourself.
I'm tired because I had to drive all night home Friday night from New York from a business trip because we were at JFK...the plane was delayed for hours, they kept giving us crazy excuses...the weather was bad (we looked out the window at the blue sky)..there was a scheduling mix-up...etc. Do I believe it was a terrorist plot? I don't know...maybe after some sleep I'll be able to figure that out..
Honestly, the entire Middle East needs to be sanitized. And by sanitized, I mean nuclear resolve. I'm sure a couple fusion bombs will change their minds about Allah and his power.
Jim, apparently you aren't aware that the Queen of England just celebrated the 400 year anniversary of the first settlement making the US 400 years old- Regardless, the fact is that the US was founded on certain principles but freedom being the main one. Freedom comes with a price and although we are considered to be in the 'Terrible Teenager Stage' we still made many sacrifices for others and most of them ungrateful or forgetful.
After all is said and done, there is no way to know whether this terrorist plot is real or not. Considering these guys are going to get public araignments, it would seem the Bushies have learned how to concoct convincing evidence.
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