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BACKGROUND: 100 million deaths under communism
Jun 12, 2007, 18:47 GMT
Washington - The planners of the victims of communism memorial dedicated Tuesday in Washington based the figure of an estimated 100 million political deaths under communism on the book by French scholars, 'The Black book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression,' published by Harvard University.
The 1997 book, hailed by US reviewers as a groundbreaking documentary work, put the death tolls at 65 million in China; 20 million in the Soviet Union; 2 million in North Korea; 2 million in Cambodia; 1.7 million in Africa; 1.5 million in Afghanistan; 1 million in Vietnam; 1 million in the communist states of Eastern Europe; and 150,000 in Latin America.
In his speech at the dedication, US President George W Bush noted individual losses, including deaths in the Ukraine from starvation imposed by Soviet tyrant Joseph Stalin; the deaths of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians 'loaded onto cattle cars and deported to Arctic death camps of Soviet Communism;' the Chinese killed in the cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward; Cambodians slain under Pol Pot; East Germans 'shot attempting to scale the Berlin Wall;' Poles 'massacred in the Katyn Forest;' Ethiopians slaughtered in the Red Terror; Miskito Indians murdered by Nicaragua's Sandinista dictatorship; and Cuban refugees 'who drowned escaping tyranny.'
'We'll never know the names of all who perished, but at this sacred place, communism's unknown victims will be consecrated to history and remembered forever,' Bush said of the memorial.
The memorial statue, called the 'goddess of democracy,' shows a woman holding a torch high with her right hand. It is a replica of one carved by Chinese student sculptors in the spring of 1989, and erected during protests at Tiananmen Square that provoked severe reprisals from the Chinese communist government.
Congress had to approve the building of the memorial, but it was built with private funds raised by a non-profit foundation.
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So its Communisms fault that the US carpet bombed Cambodia? I can see counting numbers who were killed in gulags and such, but throwing '100 million killed by Communism' out there is just stupid.
I am not a communist, but I am continually frustrated with the ignorance of the seemingly most educated among us regarding what communism is. Communism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political system! A dictatorship is to a democracy as capitalism is to communism. The press pushes this propaganda with Cuba regularly, calling it 'Communist Cuba' as naseum; this is like calling America 'Capitalist America!' Communism is not exclusive to dictatorships to more than capitalism is equivalent with democracy. Communism is NOT responsible for deaths, the fascist dictators who run the country are! An economic system is not responsible for killing people. Sheeesh.
Hmm.. Maybe they should create a memorial commemorating all the millions of deaths that were a result of American Imperialist Intervention in Latin America and the Rest of the third world. Lets start, 75,000 in El Salvador, over 200,000 in Guatemala, Hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Vietnam, African nations and the list goes on and on... Plus these figures do not include the thousands of 'Disappeared' that were snatched by UNITED STATES BACKED FASCIST REGIMES all over the world!!
Also WHY DONT THEY MAKE A MEMORIAL COMMEMORATING THE MILLIONS OF NATIVE AMERICANS THAT PERISHED due to starvation, forced relocation and countless massacres DURING THE BIRTH OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!
THE UNITED STATES SHOULD LOOK INTO ITS OWN HISTORY BEFORE TRUMPETING AND POINTING THE FINGER AT OTHERS!
how many have died in the name of 'god'? perhaps a memorial should be errected for this as well
Unfortunately Russia has not finished killing people.
There can be no doubt that President Putin is behind the recent assassinations in Moscow and London. His is the mind that is directing these evil acts with total deniability, of course. What Putin has established in the Kremlin is a Murder Inc. Mafia controlling total political and economic power. Death squads are roaming out from the Kremlin. Anyone who threatens – this power – is eliminated. The first act of nucleur terriorism came not from Al-Qaeda and Osma bin laden but from the Kremlin and President Putin. Just as Russia was about to emerge from 1000 years of darkness, into the light of democratic freedom - Putin and his KGB gang has plunged his people back into the abyss. Quoting the famous Russian writer Vladimir Sorokin “Germans, Frenchmen and Englishmen can say of themselves: 'I am the state.' I cannot say that. In Russia only the people in the Kremlin can say that. All other citizens are nothing more than human material with which they can do all kinds of things.” This is the Russia, Putin has created. An immoral, lawless wasteland. He is a traitor to his country. He is a traitor to his people.
By
larry Houle
www.eudemocracy.net
Wow. A lot of hard feelings here. Admittedly, lumping many events under a single umbrella makes for some unfairness. Rather than preach to a brick wall, let me move on to something else interesting about this story: Given China's efforts to pretend Tiananmen Square, aren't they angry that a sculpture was modeled after something from that 'incident' in order to commemorate these deaths? This seems to be an affront equal to any time the U.S. government publicly supports Taiwan.
OK, the US is not innocent but I believe the point is this: first, in terms of scale of horrificness, communism dwarfs all others. Second, if you want to complain about killings in the name of God, again atheism (communism) dwarfs all others. If you hate the US so much, go somewhere else for a few decades. Then we'll talk about how awful the US is.
Since there is a Communist Party, communism is a political system that starts with the economic principles of Socialism which is an economic theory. Don't hide behind semantics to defend this horrible bastardised system of domination.As to how many have been killed by Democracy, that is a government, political system that killed lots of Nazis, Fascists and Communists thank you and working on killing Islamists nuts.
If one believes that Communism is a better way to live, it is very easy to go to Communist thinking countries but you had better hurry because they are finding quickly the obvious advantages of Capitalism and Democracy. Look at China and Russia. Cuba is the main Communist held land and when wacko dies, Cuba will drop that stupid starving habit as soon as they can get boat building back in business. The class hating jealousy of the non achievers towards the winners never succeeded in bettering anyone. The motto, 'Take away from each according to his ability to produce and give to each according to how much he can need,' only made the producers slack off so as not to be robbed from so all became desperately needy.Death to communism and class hate. Workers of the world,, Work, !!
And how democratic is capitalism? Ask Hitler.
No one has died because of democracy, at least not when it has been pluralistic. However, millions have died both directly and indirectly because of capitalism which, at least in it's present form, is hierarchical and anti-democratic. The dirty little secret of capitalism is that it is no more inherently democratic than is communism. Pure participatory democracy is when all institutions, *including the means of production* (aka. your job), are democratically managed from the bottom up. This is not capitalism, but 'socialism', and the allegedly democratic US government and it's corporate handlers have spent trillions of our tax dollars to ensure that no truly socialist example succeeds in rising to such prominence that it exposes capitalisms dirty little secret to the world. Hopefully that will all change as the 'Bolivarian Revolution' of participatory democracy and endogenous development takes root in Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua, and eventually spreads through South America and into the entire so called 'third world'.
Six Billion Tortured to Death Under Capitalism
In reference to the 'Bolivarian Revolution' I of course forgot to mention the vanguard nation of this anti-imperialist struggle for independence, Venezuela.
How many deaths can be attributed to Capitalism and the unbriled pursuit of Consumerism as a lifestyle? How much of the catastrophe of global warming can be attributed to Capitalism and Consumerism.
Another load of crap for this president to dump on us.
Let's take a look at the way that researchers arrived at some of those numbers...focusing on China, in particular, under Mao. These 'historians' basically blame Mao for the fact that during the Great Leap Forward, China was hit by droughts in some areas, and floods in others, the likes of which the country hadn't seen in a century or more. Then they extrapolate out from there to say that a lot more people *would have been born* had it not been for all the people who died. In other words, Mao is guilty of 'killing' people who were never born.
So I guess in that case Bush can say, 'We will never know their names' and not be lying...for once.
In other instances, 'researchers' from this Black Book as much as hold communist movements responsible for EVERY death, regardless of cause, that took place in countries where they held power. To do so makes about as much sense as saying, 'Abraham Lincoln killed millions'.
Compare this to the Bush regime's constant denial of the Lancet study's scientific assessment last year that over 650,000 people had died as a result of the occuaption in Iraq. This number was arrived at by scientific means that were rigrous, and accepted by all kinds of international humanitarian bodies, as well the US government itself--it supported the same methods to estimate the deaths in Kosovo, for example.
It's time to fight for truth. If communists have something to answer for, so be it. We should all learn from our mistakes. But lying about the past to serve an imperialist agenda doesn't help anyone understand the truth, and it sure as hell doesn't make anyone any more 'free'.
How many deaths can be attributed to Capitalism and the unbriled pursuit of Consumerism as a lifestyle? How much of the catastrophe of global warming can be attributed to Capitalism and Consumerism?
Larry Houle are you stupid on purpose?
Do you live in Russia? NO.
Traitor to his people? Of course he is with 80% approval ratings.
And they count revolutions as people dying under communism? Okay why dont we just blame everything on Communism. I really dont see how an economic system is to blame for the actions of dictators.
And I agree, why dont we count the millions of Native American and African dead due to Western Imperialism.
Right on! The restof you morons who think communism is so great should try living under it for a few years. When you came back you would kiss the soil of the USA. Death to communism and the sooner the better.
I dont think that the United States has Finished killing people either even within its own borders, And I especially do not think that The 'DEATHS DUE TO COMMUNISM' dwarf those caused by the genocidal actions of a country that markets itself as a Democracy. The millions of Native American deaths and the destructions of entire nations is white washed and smeared with a shiny lacquer in order to hide it. What do you call reservations my friends 'THESE ARE DETENTION CAMPS' places where you put people you do not want and you marginalize them in order for them to allow you do your ethnic cleansing easier.
Furthermore, some of those 'DEATHS BY COMMUNISM' in southeast Asia came about as a direct result of United States actions, during the Vietnam war the United States promised the Hmong people their own country if they helped them fight the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong. Well the United States was defeated and abandoned the Hmong to their own demise. I guess that if they cant give back the lands they stole from the Native Americans they cant give another group of people a country.
Another point Cuba is much better off under communism than whenever it was called the 'Gangsters Playground' during the 1930's and whenever the island was full of brothels corrupt US backed dictators and the people sold themselves as objects to the American underworld.
Bolivia and Venezuela turned towards a Socialist model Why? Well because the US BACKED NEOLIBERAL POLICIES HAVE ROBBED IT OF ITS REASOURCES and left people starving and void of a national Identity and they want to reclaim that which they have lost and is rightfully theirs.
One thing I must make clear is that the ones in power in the United States are the ones to blame for this distortion of History not the masses of citizens that are kept dormant with trash propaganda like this.
When they built the memorials to the 6 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust, I'm sure there were a couple embittered ex-Nazi's who protested -- just as there are some embittered ex-Marxists here. These people will never feel abashed at the multitude of Communism's victims; they feel more comfortable pointing elsewhere - capitalism, democracy, whatever - and making arguments about moral equivalence. The truth, though, is that COMMUNISM (not capitalism, not U.S. Imperialism, not even (gasp) religion) is the worst scourge of mankind, the movement responsible for the most death and tyranny, the number one manufacturer of human misery and poverty in history. If you can't deal with that fact, that's YOUR problem. But don't expect anyone to listen to you.
America has given me the freedom to get an education, study hard, work hard, buy my own home and raise a family. My grandparents and great grandparents were Catholic immigrants from Germany and Italy who came to America in the 1800's and early 1900's with very little but the clothes they had on. They worked as carpenters and farmers and my parents worked hard too as a scientist and a nurse. Free enterprise is what they took too, owning their own land or businesses or working for a company as an employee and keeping profits therefrom for their families. I have received little from them financially but received something of immensely more value...a work ethic as well as my Catholic faith.
I now own my own business and support my family as we pay off our mortgage and save for the future. I cannot imagine having the freedom to work or the freedom to save or the freedom to practice my Catholic faith in any of the communist countries.
America truly is a great place to live and work. I hope we can keep it that way...that we do not become socialistic with the government providing for us instead of ourselves or with fanatic islamists or evangelicals or secularists denying our freedom to remain Catholic in our thinking.
To Chad Lovewell and all others who find a sense of organization and comfort in dwelling on semantics, as well as so many others who bring many (unrelated) grievances to this forum - CONGRATULATIONS! Unlike many of us who got to 'enjoy' the regimes first hand as children and young adults and fought tooth and nail to get as far away from it, you had the LUXURY to postulate and read about the events that led to the brutal consequences of the socio-economic movements like Communism and Socialism...I am delighted that you had the opportunity to read a few sterile books, spend some time in your busy lives to learn more about this topic .... AND HAD THE DUMB LUCK TO BE BORN IN A SOCIETY THAT MAKES IT OK TO HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT IT. Communism and socialism only 'work' on a small scale, in an academic, sterile environment - unaffacted by human nature, emotions, maslowian needs and other very basic influences that can not be separated from what makes us human. Societies and political regimes that attempted to make them work managed to do so at the cost of human life, creativity, basic rights and, often, diginity and respect for others. A dictatorship and a rule of force by any other name is what is ultimately required to make a 'go' of it, because that is how the rules and guidelines may be enforced - or go out the window. Go on, make the snide comment or two, complain about the monument because it does not fit your agenda or dismiss it all as make believe all together. For those of us who know more about it than we ever wanted to know, it will stand as a small reminder of what naivte like yours may allow, while having a side bar discussion about a dictionary definition of a term.
Communism is also responsible for public education, health care, worker's rights, the end of child labor, the equality of women, the end of rank and privileged nobility/monarchies, the first man in space, the defeat of Hitler's Germany, and the curtailing of western imperialism. No matter how you argue it China's improved under communism, before Mao took over it was a corrupt dynasty, half of it conquered by Japan, and all of it full of poor starving uneducated farmers. Now look at the skyline of Shanghai and get back to us on how evil Communism was for China. Russia also could do nothing but go uphill from its bumbling and out of touch Tsars who had lost not only WWI, but the war with Japan before that, and the Crimean War before that, while keeping the mass of its people serfs bound to the land without a chance at self-improvement. A few evil people have taken communism and used it for genocide and personal aggrandizement. That has nothing to do with Communism, one of the greatest advances in civilization, humanity, and decency, which is taken for granted now across the whole world. Next time you curse the damn Reds, take a moment to thank them for your liberty, your security, and your equality, because they fought and died for you.
It has been my experience that fundamentalism and Idealism on both sides of an issue tend to be wrong. Most of the comments here are Idealistic and or fundamentalist. The truth usually lies in the middle.
A friend of mine once put America in perspective for me. He was a Nigerian national who was extremely excited to be in the USA. He was showing me pictures of his families home and as he came from a wealthy Nigerian family they had a cement house. When I commented on the cement walls he explained that they were 2ft thick reinforced with steel plating. 'to stop the AK-47 rounds'
How many people live in much worse conditions? I understand why the people who have never been to America hate Americans so much. Americas' poorest poor live 10 times better then the average citizen in many countries.
Most of the time the reason for this poverty is NOT the Americans but the dictators, fundamentalists, and communists that use their political systems to dominate and subjugate others. I do acknowledge that America has supported unhealthy regimes and America has caused deaths, not as many as some of the comments have stated though.
The real issue is that America has become the only worlds super power. America holds the majority of the worlds wealth. All America has to do is pretend it is China or Japan and control the value of the dollar instead of allowing it to float on the open market. America could then devalue the dollar and destroy every economy in the entire world. (yes including its own but the American economy is so much more resilient then any other, it can survive and even thrive under such conditions) And no one on the block likes it when the big kid can defeat everyone, thus everyone is jealous and scared of the big kid.
How can we fly people into space when people need food? That's about the intelligence level of many people posting in here. Massacred Indians, Latin America, etc? If you feel so strongly about that, go get contributions and build a statue. Don't bother coming into this thread and posting nonsensical side-discussion that you KNOW are not relevant to this statue and opening ceremony. BTW - Communism is STILL killing people and the main difference between regional wars and this, is that communism devours its own; millions and millions of its own. You defend it, you become either a victim or enabler. To the millions before you, many were both.
These idiots who group America in with communist countries amazes and scares me. It's as if these spoiled brats know anything about what they're talking about. The one moron who said the poor indians were driven from they're land etc,.. I wonder if this loser ever put some thought into how the indians got here. They were beemed in by Scottie apparently. The Crow indians were forced out by the various indian tribes before the 'evil white men' forced them off.
This moron sounds like a college graduate who works for Starbucks coffee and sports green hair and a nose ring.
And you sound like a fat pompous bonehead who's going to be eating some humble pie when the housing market collapses, and when his beloved capitalism outsources his job to India.
Oh, but who will honor the victims of Capitalism?
Just remember. Competition implies there needs to be a loser; someone has to get screwed. Who is it, who is it...
How many deaths under Capitalism???
'So you're screamin' bloody murder 'bout the Taliban Regime,
subjigating women, and being too extreme?
And basing legislation on some ancient 'holy book?'
Does that sound a BIT familiar? Here's America. HAVE A LOOK!'
Sorry but in terms of 'scale of horrificness' communism does not dwarf all others. Religion does.
Is it so hard for some to understand that propaganda and brainwash are not the exclusivity of North Korea and Stalinist countries alone .THat even in the so called free west propaganda exists and is very succesfull.Free Speech is a fiction when the press is in the hands of Murdoch,Berlusconi,Springer ,Maxwell and some otheres .Those guys dictate what gets in the newspapers .You van hand out some flyers in the streets to but that is about it ,there is no competition against these conglomerates offering alternative points of view .Yhe simplistic view that has always been propagated in the american media on socialism and communism is a distorted and incomplete picture,forged by the media .It completely disregard the rich historic past of the american workers movements in contributing to the present living conditions of people in the USA.It appears that part of american history has been swept under the carpet .
On the other hand it is a bit unjustified to blame to extermination of native indians on america as such .If my memory serves me right ,that sad part of history occured during a period of massive immigration into america from europe .A lot of less educated people living in miserable conditions in europe ventured out to america in hope for a better future .THeir opinion of native american tribes was not different from that of contemporary white americans .THey too regarded them as an obstacle in the gaining plots of land for agriculture .Fair is fair ,the europeans viewed at the Cherokees,the Crow,Choctaws etc as no different from black tribes in africa ,savages,an obstacle to colonisation. Nothing is gained at misrepresenting historical facts .
But to get back to the issues of communism and the perception of it by americans it would help understanding that Marx and Engels were very intelligent people;driven by justified indignation confronted with the appaling squalor in which the industrial workers of 19th century lived .
It was born as an idealistic movment and its ideas are responsible indeed for cobtributing to human wellfare.Unless of course you happen to believe that capitalists used to hand out the profits they generated from the labor force they employed generosely without any kind of struggle.
Communism as a concept is perfect except for one thing. People. It is the corruption of individual people that obtain power without any checks and balances that have caused so much poverty and death.
Communism cannot survive. China can only suppress its population for so long, they have opened Pandora’s box and it is only a matter of time before the communists loose power. Unlike America who gets a vote when the Chinese people throw down the communist regime it will be very bloody.
Castro and his family will not be in power forever either. Cuba is a very small island nation so it is easier to control the populace, thus Cuba’s freedom from communism will take longer.
'And how many political deaths have there been from democracy?
....exactly'
I'm sorry what does Democracy have to do with Communism? One is a form of government the other is an economic system. Anyway this monument is an affront to all those killed by Stalin and his ilk. Let us not blame a flawed economic system but rather the governments and leaders themselves. Lets be specific and not let the murderers hide behind the excuse of 'Communism'.
BTW We're kidding ourselves if we think Capitalism = Democracy/Freedom. If you believe that please visit China/Russia and step on the Governments toes see what happens. Capitalism is great but it alone does not guarantee freedom.
Well I guess sometimes some people on these forums get ad hominem,
to respond to the person that imagines me as a person with green hair and a nose ring. I have news for you, I do not fit any of the previous description with the exception of the education part, for your information I am a medical student and dont listen to punk rock. Maybe one day I will have to take care of you or your family because you wont be able to afford the high insurance premiums due to the fact that the HMO CEO's have sucked every penny you have in your beloved Capitalist perfect system.
Another thing, no I dont work for starbucks either, and I was born and lived in the roughest parts of Los Angeles where I saw for myself what the true naked expression of capitalism is: GANGS, DRUG TRAFFICKING, SOCIAL DECAY.
Well enough of that, I believe that many of the negative responses that were thrown out here about communism come about due to the Cold War propaganda that was disseminated far and wide throughout the 'Western World'
I believe that the only way people will get a better picture about what communism really is will be through educating themselves, to start pick up the 'Communist Manifesto' read it and then compare those ideas to the prejudices that you have been wrongly taught.
Plus I would like to point out some of the things that I am sure have already been said.
To refresh people's memory or to enlighten them many of the institutions and practices that we take for granted today were inspired by communist/socialist and syndicalist movements in the United States,
here are a few:
Food And Drug Administration: Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' (HE WAS SOCIALIST)
Social Security
Abolishment of child labor
Civil Rights
Women's Rights
Labor Unions
Worker's compensation
So my dear friends, next time you go about saying kill all reds Communism is evil, or the such look where at how you live and what is going on around you and whenever you are laid off and your job is sent overseas dont blame India or Latin America,
look at the source of the problem, the 1% who own the means of production and raw materials in the world and laugh at how easily they can spread ignorance just so that they can ride around in their Rolls-Royce and eat Caviar.
As the communist Manifesto says:
'WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!'
I agree that there is no reason why communism should not be mixed with democracy .A society where 1 percent of the population owns wealth and means of production,newspapers,television stations ,spike the two only political parties in existence can hardly be called the pinnacle of freedom and democracy .There must be more to the label democracy .
The biggest problem is the ease with which people like Stalin were able to derail the russian revolution into a repressive inhumane system of self glorification and brainwashing .
But the idea of planned economy,state property might be profitable to society ,more so then private ownership of industry ,in the future .THe sheer lack of will to take the necessary steps in shielding the muman race from future catastrophic climate changes seems to indicate that .There is no will from corporate america or other major world players to curb the lifethreatening carbon emission Profir is the only thing that matters.Your future is simply no interest to them .So sooner or later things will have to change and the nations will have to seize private means of production if the likes of EXXON continue to disinform the population.
THe confiscation of major oil industry would easily pay for the bill of fighting global warming.It would also be an act of justice as they are the major poluters,not you and me.
Here's one for the libs out there. How about a memorial honoring the millions that have died of malaria because it was determined that DDT was harmful to bird's eggs. How about a giant bronze mosquito?
Wow, Kathy. I have to hand it to ya'... that was really dumb.
PS - I was not aware that malaria is caused by a lack of DDT. Thanks for clearing that up.
Reality, just trying to make a point here. Perhaps democracy/capitalism has caused deaths just as communism has just as liberals have. Go to google-type in DDT malaria dead. Read the 1st page,although there are many. The number of malaria cases and deaths from the disease are there and counting in live time.
the communists did a lot of good things, like defeating the nazi's.
had i lived during the cold war i would escape to eastern europe if only for the hypocratie of the us.
you had free speech but communists could not work for the goverment and lies where sperd all aroubnd the world about them like ''communist=chaos''
the communists where more orely then those capitalist pigs
WTF...
I dont know why communism is blamed for this. People who say this are morons. Does anyone knows howm any people were killed due to capitalism? Take recent examples of Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, Slovenia etc.. etc... Blind race to occupy million dollar business and wealth have resulted in miserable life for people over there. Who is responsible for this?
America is Facism wrapped in democracy and capitalism.
America 150 years ago was a republic, since then most Americans do not know who,what.where, and how America is run.
'Communism has killed 100 million people.' The rest in history were taken by capitalism. End of story.
'And how democratic is capitalism? Ask Hitler.'
Sometimes I wonder why socialists are so ignorant.
Hitler was a national socialist and he hated capitalism, individual liberty and the free markets, yet some ignorants still try pass him as a 'capitalist'.
It is also funny how these people continue with their pathetic socialist idea of 'collective ownership of the means of production' which in reality only means STATE ownership of the means of production and collective slavery to the totalitarian state.
Socialism is not a utopia but a dystopia.
'you are laid off and your job is sent overseas dont blame India or Latin America, look at the source of the problem, the 1% who own the means of production and raw materials in the world and laugh at how easily they can spread ignorance just so that they can ride around in their Rolls-Royce and eat Caviar.'
This utterly absurd simplification inspired by the marxist 'class struggle' mentality is just a small sample of how stupid socialists can be.
Insane people like this would gladly trade 'exploitation' under free market capitalism with REAL exploitation and death under the totalitarian socialist state.
'I dont know why communism is blamed for this.'
Because of the systematic policies under those socialist dictatorships.
'People who say this are morons. Does anyone knows howm any people were killed due to capitalism? Take recent examples of Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, Slovenia etc.. etc... Blind race to occupy million dollar business and wealth have resulted in miserable life for people over there. Who is responsible for this?'
If you think those countries have free market capitalism then you are the moron..... nuff said.
'Hopefully that will all change as the 'Bolivarian Revolution' of participatory democracy and endogenous development takes root in Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua, and eventually spreads through South America and into the entire so called 'third world'.'
This is just an example how socialism can cause permanent brain damage.
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HeloJun 12th, 2007 - 19:29:32
And how many political deaths have there been from democracy?
....exactly
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