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McCain wins South Carolina primary
Jan 20, 2008, 3:30 GMT
US Republican Presidential hopeful Arizona Senator John McCain delivers a speech to supporters at his primary night party in Charleston, South Carolina, USA, 19 January 2008. McCain won the Republican South Carolina primary with a majority of the vote followed by Republican Presidential hopeful Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. EPA/MICHAL CZERWONKA
Washington - Senator John McCain was the projected winner of the South Carolina Republican primary on Saturday, earning 33 per cent of the vote with 97 per cent of the precincts reporting.
Former Arkansas governor and Baptist preacher Mike Huckabee placed second with 30 per cent, bringing in voters largely on his appeal to social conservatives and Evangelical Christians.
The primary was the first in the South in the state-by-state nominating process to choose the candidates in November 4 presidential elections. It had been seen as a must win for several candidates, including Huckabee and former senator Fred Thompson, who had failed to impress voters in earlier primaries.
But after conceding defeat in South Carolina, Huckabee said, 'The contest is far from over.'
'Tonight is not a time to start asking what if,' he said. 'It's a time to start asking what now.'
No Republican candidate had yet picked up substantial momentum, with three men winning the initial contests - Huckabee in Iowa, McCain in New Hampshire and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in Michigan.
Thompson placed third in South Carolina with 17 per cent, followed by Romney with 15 per cent.
Earlier Saturday, Romney won the Nevada caucus with 51 per cent of the vote after he was the party's only candidate to campaign there. Ron Paul - who has generated a small, but loyal following for his hands-off economic policies and opposition to the war in Iraq - was in second place with 14 per cent of the vote, followed closely by McCain with 13 per cent.
On the Democrat side, Senator Hillary Clinton won 51 per cent of the Nevada vote, beating Senator Barack Obama with 45 per cent and former senator John Edwards with 4 per cent. A key endorsement by a union representing many of the state's casino workers failed to aid Obama, with Clinton winning seven of nine meetings held on the Las Vegas Strip to allow shift workers could participate.
Democratic voters in South Carolina will chose their preferred presidential candidate next Saturday, January 26, where the scramble for the large black vote has been intense between Clinton and Obama. Edwards, a son of the South, could also give them a chase for their money.
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So now if the totals I'm seeing are correct, McCain has 38 delegates. Romney has 72.
Downplay his successes all you like, but there's one conservative leading the republican race, and it's not McCain, or Huckabee.
The pro-Israel lobby wins again. John 'Bomb Bomb Iran' McCain, who lobbied with Joseph Lieberman as early as 1998 for the invasion of Iraq will have their 'puppet' to count on when they call for an attack on Iran.
And it's not over 'till...........
Hillary can't rest on her laurels and is unlikely to do so. She is making a hard play for the Hispanic vote and it is paying off for her. She also seems to be hanging on to the votes of older blacks. If I had to place a bet right now, I'd bet on Hillary to win the Democrat nomination.
Fred Thompson--out of the race--or seems to be.
John McCain-- his elevator usually reaches the top, but the doors don't always open. Barring a Bloomburg run, I don't think Senator McCain can win the general election, especially if Hillary is the Democratic nominee. She will do to him what LBJ did to Barry Goldwater, but a run at the White House by Mayor Bloomburg could give the election to McCain.
Mike Huckabee--Terribly witty for a guy who is completely brain-dead. This is the one guy who could give the election to Mayor Bloomburg. The media is, of course, hoping against hope that Mike Huckabee will win the GOP nomination. If I don't think about it too much, I catch myself going along with the news media. Governor Huckabee is good for a few laughs.
Mitt Romney-- The last time anyone asked him about principles he thought they were talking about something to do with the banking industry and the FDIC. He hasn't got a principle to his name. If he wins, be afraid. Be very afraid. Oh, and he is proving himself to be a very canny strategist. He has done an excellent job of outmaneuvering and out-playing his opposition. Governor Romney might be able to beat Hillary in the general election and that is a frightening thought. A run by Mayor Bloomburg would play right into Governor Romney's hands. I have to give Governor Romney credit for sound strategic skills. He's got 'em and he ain't afraid to use 'em. He is also the best at talking out of both sides of his mouth among the Republicans.
Ron Paul--so blind on some subjects that he may as well be brain-dead. Only the hardcore Libertarians are going to vote for him. I'll give Congressman Paul credit for being principled, though. He may actually be firmer in his core beliefs than Brother Huckabee.
Goopers who are worried more about keeping the Democrats out of the Whitehouse than about whom they elect, will likely vote for Romney. Were I betting then, I'd bet on Romney. Goopers LIKE to win.
'Goopers who are worried more about keeping the Democrats out of the Whitehouse than about whom they elect, will likely vote for Romney. Were I betting then, I'd bet on Romney. Goopers LIKE to win.'
Go to realclearpolitics and look up the general election stats. Here:
www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
There is only one candidate that consistently beats Clinton or Obama and that is McCain. I wouldn't mind seeing Giuliani or Romney in the whitehouse but the religious wack-jobs won't get past Romney's religion and lord only knows what Giuliani is thinking about running his campaign. It is too bad about Giuliani. He did a great job in NYC.
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I had a look at the RealClearPolitics Site. Do you think we should still bother with a general election once the primaries are over with? Don't take my facetiousness the wrong way. Polls are sometimes, not always, a good snapshot of how things stand on the day the poll was taken. It's necessary to try to interpolate the current behavior of the candidates and make a guess about how they will do in the future.
As much as I dislike him, Mitt Romney has shown himself to be the best strategic thinker. That alone is a big plus for him being a President, but then you have to ask whether or not he'll put the country's interests ahead of his own. I'm not so sure that he will. Not everyone shares my reservations and such reservations are likely to fade to practical non-existence among Republicans should Romney win the nomination.
None of the Republicans will have an easy time winning the general election against Hillary. Much of the Bush Machine is on easy terms with the Clinton Machine. This is a vicious cycle that needs to be broken this time around. Please, no more Bushes and no more of the Clintons!
is right about McCain.
I have a very negative, worrisome feeling about Romney!
..get em John.
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He was governor of one of the most liberal states in America and seems to get along with them just fine. That tells me he knows how to get things done and work with those in another party.
I have to keep reminding folks of this obvious fact because they simply refuse to acknowledge it.
' Do you think we should still bother with a general election once the primaries are over with?'
Come on... You know what I was trying to say. Don't let the 'perfect' be the enemy of the 'good'. Or at least the 'close enough'.
RE:'Come on... You know what I was trying to say. Don't let the 'perfect' be the enemy of the 'good'. Or at least the 'close enough'.'
Well, I did say I was being facetious. Here's the real question. Is John McCain 'good enough'. The more I watch him, the more doubts I have. You might be right though, he might well be the best pick of a poor field.
I suspect, that there have been occasions where Senator McCain put his political ambitions ahead of the nation's welfare. The McCain-Feingold bill leaps to mind. On the other hand, he DID support the troop surge in Iraq. He has opposed some of President Bush's excesses. But, then he turns around and sides with Ted Kennedy in an effort to incite another tsunami of illegal immigration into the United States. Was this a singular instance of poor judgment on his part, or is it reflective of the inner man?
'Politics is local'
McCain correctly understands this little ditty all to well. This is why he's confused with immigration, because of where his senatorial constituancy resides. Have an issue with that? Go see Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Bush, too!
McCain-Feingold was a bad move, but I find it fascinating he stuck his neck out for it. It tells me he has no problem getting messy, something admirable in a leader.
I'd rather have a conservative 10 to 1, but I'd rather have McCain than any of the dem frontrunners for sure.
McCain is TOO old!!!!
A quote from our resident old man:
'I'd rather have a conservative 10 to 1, but I'd rather have McCain than any of the dem frontrunners for sure.'
A resounding reason to vote for anyone except McCain!
John McCain is the most dependable puppet of the neo-con warmongers. McCain's campaign was considered terminal and on life support prior to the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) release, which stated that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. The neo-cons were outraged because it virtually guaranteed that the US wouldn't attack Iran unilaterally. In fact, an editorial in an Israeli newspaper called it the 'Abandonment of the Jews.'
What to do? Find and support the most dependable 'war hawk' candidate running for President, someone with a proven willingness to go against US public opinion. John McCain, having lobbied hard for war with Iraq as early as 1998 with Joseph Lieberman, long before Bush and Cheney were on the scene, best fit that mold. Moreover, McCain was now quite famous for changing the words to a classic Beach Boys' song to 'BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN'
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The decision of who the neo-cons would back was made clear when Joesph 'Israel-first' Lieberman endorsed McCain (a Republican). This news seemed quite odd to many considering the fact that Lieberman had been a life long Democrat prior to losing his 2006 senate Democratic primary. (He did, however, win the general election running as an independent.) The news was even more stunning given the fact that Lieberman had been the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate on Al Gore's ticket in 2002. But party affiliation doesn't matter when you ultimate goal and loyalties have absolutely nothing to do with either party or country.
McCain may be a war hero, but he's first and foremost a warmonger. He's like a surgeon that has only one answer to every medical problem - cut it out! If McCain is elected, look forward at least four more years of a 'puppet' at the helm and endless Middle East wars.
'Moreover, McCain was now quite famous for changing the words to a classic Beach Boys' song to 'BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN' '
Well then, that cinches it. McCain 08!
Here is an interesting tidbit, if true:
www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/18/edwards-wrapping-it/
Snippet:'“The candidate who’s taken the most money from the oil and gas industry is not a Republican, it is a Democrat. It is Senator Clinton. Your friends need to know about that if they’re worried about this issue of clean energy.”'
Here is an old tidbit:
www.salon.com/news/1998/05/29newsa.html
Snippet:'Loral's chairman, Bernard Schwartz, has personally been the single largest campaign contributor to the national Democratic Party during the Clinton presidency, making $1.1 million in contributions in recent years.
When Loral was granted the waiver in February by the Clinton administration, the aerospace corporation was under investigation by the Justice Department for providing unauthorized assistance to China's ballistic-missile program. Justice Department officials were concerned that a waiver might make it tougher to bring a potential criminal prosecution against Loral.'
This happened, or started rather, back in 1993. The Bush Bunch has done nothing about it and now the Clinton Clan is doing their best to get back into the Whitehouse.
...what a surprise! Clinton takes campaign money from the chinese! Did anyone think this was not quid pro quo?
After the little Loral thing, there was Most Favored Nation trading status, GATT, WTO and the mysterious missing data from Lawrence Livermore Labs during a fire there, relating to missile launched nuclear weapons design.
This is the whole point: The Clintons are FOR SALE! The sold out to he Chinese, the N. Koreans, the Russians...Marc Rich, Tyson Foods, and who-knows-who-else?
And so why hasn't President Bush put a stop to the ongoing crap, and why did he not allow the covers to be jerked off this crap? Had he done so, the Clinton Clan would pretty much be out of business, wouldn't it? So what is the Clinton Clan holding over his head?
See what I mean? This one cuts across party lines.
Why shoulld he? Fred Thompson tried to investigate it in the 90's but couldn't get witnesses. The repubs, and most dems, like free trade so they don't care.
Bush is an unabashed free trader, so all of this works for him. He gets all of it greenlighted before he gets there and all he has to do is do a couple of south american free trade deals. Hillary gets to vote AGAINST them to secure the left wing and union base.
The Clintons got Janet 'Buck' Reno to firewall any investigations, because she KNEW where they would go.
Free trader? Being a free trader does NOT mean that you give license to peddle military secrets away. I wonder what goes through the minds of some of these corporate managers as well. The Chinese have no respect whatsoever for intellectual property rights. You shutdown your own factories and labs and do what? Hand off all those years of research and development to the Chinese?
This so sick it is hard to believe. I don't think that a science fiction author would try to put this madness into a novel. How would he explain the motivations of the characters involved? Simple greed? I know that it IS simple greed, but I still shake my head in disbelief at seeing it happen. Instead of 'peace in our time' we must have 'huge profits in my time.' How frackin' insane is that? It's perfectly insane. Some of these guys need to be tied to a telephone pole and shot repeatedly with a BB gun until graveyard dead. I am not real keen on the idea of being obliged to speak Spanish to buy groceries while becoming part of the Chinese Empire, but that is EXACTLY what is happening right NOW.
Another four to eight years of the Clinton Clan will kill us, especially if that is followed by another member of the too numerous Bush Bunch. We'd be stupid to lose AGAIN with the same old faces, but it looks as though that is what we are going to do.
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SP4: BarakJan 20th, 2008 - 03:34:54
...is making her earn it...
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