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' 'To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas'
oh, he must mean the ones where bush and the neo-cons lied about the non-existent WMD threat that led to 7 years of hell, grotesque inflation, and thousands of american dead and wounded.
ooo yeah. McLamer has got allll the bright ideas
This is a drama being played to show blacks are so important that they can contest in us elections, but every one knows they will not win.
Jamal, by your name it seems you are black, what a negative way of thinking, all races rally behind their peopl, but an ignorant pessimistic fool like you, run your mouth off with such negativity. This is history being made you should be proud and rally and stand behind be it Democrat or Republican, he is a worthy opponent.
why do you have to say African American Barak Obama... do you say Caucasian Hillary Clinton.... his name is Barak Obama
''Jamal, by your name it seems you are black, what a negative way of thinking''
Why does Jamal have to be black?
The dems are in a real pickle: If Obama sweeps the primaries, a definite possibility, then they go to the convention.
Now there, they have the 'superdelegates'.
Who are they? Go take a look. Guess who most of these have been affiliated with over the last 15 years?????
Hint: Not Obama.
Now, if they usurp the will of the party faithful and elect Hirrary, a guy like McCain can get the voters who were shortchanged. After all, he ain't that republican!
If, however, Barak is picked, the same can be said for Hirrary's followers who don't want him.
Just wait.
SP4, the super delegates are the people in Congress etc, etc, why should they vote in Hillary, do you want i.e. another Father Bush 4 years, Clinton 8 years, Bush 8 years, and yet another Clinton? We need a change we are tired and no longer want these people policies and governing, do you think husband clinton is going to sit still? no one can control him, he is strong willed, lets put new blood, new policies and governing not the same old same old. The people voted Barak, if he gets the votes enought to clinch the nomination why not. Personally, I think McCain is quite old but if Clinton is nominated I'll vote Republican.
Barak may carry the states, and carry the convention floor. Nonetheless, if it is just right, the superdelegates may decide this. What if they go against the will of the other delegates?
The dems defying the will of the people?????
Certainly not!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I am aware delagates especially the super one 'flip flop' occasionally, yes, it seems as thou the superD with decide, but do you think they want Clinton in the white house? I know one person who is rooting and has a full working force behind Barak, that Tom Dashiel?? think back what Pres. Clinto did to him, after he worked so hard getting him elected and the superD. okay. Not many of them want to see Hillary in their either, yes they have their friends but it does not amount to what they may need, sure people can be persuaded but not all. If I had to predict Obama will get it (god bless).
Defy! this race is the most interesting in many a years. The people has tasted, they voted, they saw and they will asskick.
Super Delegates is just another example of the good ol boy system in Washington and the coruption that surrounds the US political system.
Never mind that the people have chosen. When will the American voter open his eyes to the fact that their voice doesn't mean squat in the current two party system.
That last post was not from me. My spelling is terrible but not my grammer.
Super Delegates are just another example of the good ol boy system in Washington and the coruption that surrounds the US political system.
Never mind that the people have chosen. When will the American voter open his eyes to the fact that his voice doesn't mean squat in the current two party system.
'SP4: The real oneFeb 13th, 2008 - 18:18:30
That last post was not from me. My spelling is terrible but not my grammer.'
Your logic and cognitive abilities are also 'terrible.' You language is also not conducive to gaining you any respect or credibility. Why is it that whenever you have a need to go to ther bathroom, you do it all over this website? Also, who cares if your grammer is not terrible, what's that got to do with spelling? Nobody cares about her or your gramper, or your daddy or your spawn or you.
It's spelled grammar anyway....
douche SP4, 'okay and the pot call the kettle black'. Your grammer and your spelling is just as atrocious, get the valid points made, credability, no ones looking for that, we all are just voicing our opinions, however it may come out. Pious ass...
'credability,'
Your spelling sucks as bad as you, 'Pious ass...'
To get it straight, I am using a voice recognition program, because my arms got blown off defusing an IED. It is also on a Microsnot based PC. So if my spelling 'sucks,' take your attitude and go blow it our your arse.
An online list of the Democrats' super-delegates is available here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Democratic_Party_Superdeleg ates
A quick glance of the names is instructive. The choice of the Democrat Party's nominee rests in the hands of incumbent Democrats, not in the hands of the rank-and-file membership.
The Goopers effect this same end by other ends, so they have no real room to gloat.
John Zogby, an extraordinarily skilled pollster and a Democrat, brought up an interesting point today. He said that the real question on his mind was not who the super-delegates would support, but why had they not already come out in support of the Clintons?
It is an excellent question. The Clintons have had some twelve years to shape this battlefield and they are not known for allowing opportunities to slip past them. You really do have to ask in the face of all this, what went wrong?
My personal answer to this question is, 'The Clintons.'
noharness. It leads to nothing. Just like your 'argument.'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Democratic_Party_Superdelegates
My apologies for the flawed link.
'@Hey.....
To get it straight, I am using a voice recognition program, because my arms got blown off defusing an IED. It is also on a Microsnot based PC. So if my spelling 'sucks,' take your attitude and go blow it our your arse. '
To get it straight, you are a liar and you aren't fooling anyone. Oh, and you are an idiot who can't spell either.
'If you think I'm lying, them come and get me mofo. Come and straighten me out'
I couldn't help but notice that little invitation didn't come with any contact information, you lying drama queen.
It is funny to see so called 'liberals' pretend to be veterans, funnier still to see them use racial slurs as they pretend to be 'tolerant'.
10717 SHELDON RD
HOUSTON, TX 77044
And I aint no liberal, you jackass. And I aint pretending, so anytime you want to take on a crip, come on in, boy. Ask mommy for the bus fare.
What an ass. Hope you get cancer of the nose, that is what you deserve. I am not liberal either and I would absolutely like to see you go to Houston. You have been asking for a tune up for a long time. What a parasitic idiot!
Anytime you feel man enough.
'Anytime you feel man enough.'
What a joke! Don't really believe it would take that much. Guys like you pussy out real quick when it comes time to dance. Take the trip and get back to us with the results---after you lick you wounds.
'Take the trip and get back to us with the results---after you lick you wounds.'
Yeah, kid, come on and take the trip.
The kid's got a mouth, but that's all. 10 to 1 that he never shows up. He can't even find his way out of mommy's basement.
Wow, lots of sock puppets out tonight. Does the brain trust want to provide me with a name for my trip to Huston? Or do I just look for the armless, illiterate hysteric typing on the internet?
LOL! I just got off he phone with Clark Metals LLC, of 10717 SHELDON RD
Shockingly enough, they don't have any armless idiot internet trolls living there! LOL!!!!!!!!
Google maps and unlimited long distance are great troll busters; guess that makes you a STUPID liar as well as a liar.
You seem to be so smart, figure it out for yourself. Come on, boy, you're wasting time. You're doing the shuck and jive. That is the same as chickening out. Coward. Wimp. Mamma's boy. Or are you somebody's b*tch?
He's somebody's toy. He ain't got no balls.
nice try, kid. Right address, wrong name, wrong number. Keep trying. Remember that Texas is a BIG place. So go choke on your gloating. It isn't over until we meet face to face. Come on down and check it out IRL. Goolge maps don't show everything. They may be copyrighted 2007, but the ones of this area are 10 years out of date.
'nice try, kid. Right address, wrong name, wrong number.'
That is the ONLY thing at that address, liar.
'member that Texas is a BIG place. '
LOL! But there is only 1 Clark Metals LLC at 10717 Sheldon Rd in Houston, TX 77044!!!!! You can't weasel out of it, liar!
'So go choke on your gloating.'
LOL!!!!!!
Good heavens, you have become everyones favorite clown here. The sockpuppets, the bigotry, the 'nohatness' lame, infantile retorts, the stalking of SP4... I know I am mocking someone who is mentally handicapped and encouraging a needy attention whore but your stupidity a real hoot.
Well, you idiot, IF you did a white pages search for names, not businesses you would come up with something else. Clark metals is just a bunch of engineers operating out of the same building. No lies here, child. Try again eunuch. Do I have to lead you by the nose? Or has it gone cancerous and fallen off?
'Well, you idiot, IF you did a white pages search for names, not businesses you would come up with something else.'
I can see you don't know how to use google maps, idiot.
Fine, what's your name?
Is it Clark Metals?
Because that's the only thing at that address.
LOL!
Seeing as how you are too stupid to live and can't find a person from their address try Houston White pages for Granberry. Dig yourself out of that hole, fool. There are only 26 letters in the alphabet so try them all for the first initial. Choke on that moron.
Oh come on Clark, there is got to be a way to salvage this lie yet....
Humm, out of date google maps, just engineers no... There has got to be a way to explain away the inconsistencies of an armless idiot who got blown up by an IED yet wiles away the hours making a fool out of himself and who happens to live in a metal fabrication company where no one has ever seen him.
Seeing as how you are too stupid to live and can't find a person from their address try Houston White pages for Granberry. Dig yourself out of that hole, fool. There are only 26 letters in the alphabet so try them all for the first initial. Choke on that moron.
To see that the white pages doesn't have any Granberry's at 10717 Sheldon Rd!!!
How could this be? This just is inconceivable! Gee Clark, I am starting to get the idea that you are a liar!
Do you want to try another name Clark? After all, there have got to be dozens of armless internet trolls at the 'ol Clark Metals LLC homestead down on 10717 Sheldon Rd...
:-D
You really are too stupid to live. I give you the name and still you can't find me. What a class A moron. Did you try The Houston texas white pages? I just ggogle me and there I am. Where are you? We know that you have your head firmly planted up your butt, but where are you, lost in space?
'Did you try The Houston texas[sic] white pages?'
YES, I DID, and there are no Granberry's at 10717 Sheldon Rd!!!
LIAR!
Gee Clark? How are you going to 'kick my ass' Now? I was a-skeered there too!
I know it takes a while for you to reply, what with typing with your feet...
Gee troll, nice of you to post someone elses information on the net.
Shows you how low you will go and how much of a creepy stalker you are.
Yeah, noharness has made a fool out of you here but this is across the line and pretty cowardly. I have no doubt that you don't have the guts to post your real information which makes you a coward as well as a stalker.
I hope M&C bans your stupid ass for this.
Prove that I'm not me, dickweed. As for getting banned, who cares. This sit has been going downhill for a couple of years. A simple Alexa search will show that it peaked a long time ago and is going down. Sayonara, fool.
I can't imaging what a pathetic existence you have in order to spend hours on the internet for information on people who have rubbed your nose in the crap you have spewed here. You are truly too stupid to beat him in an argument and too miserable to let it go. That little display shows what a lying little piece of sh*t you are. The best punishment for you is to condemn you to live in your own shi**y mind.
How ya doin, guttermouth? Do you eat with that thing? Or are you like SPfool who, to quote him but clean up the language: 'Intercourse me up the anal orifice and call it supper'? That must be how it is, for you crap out of your mouth.
Whatever, coward. At least sp4 isn't a pussy like you who hides behind other peoples addresses. Or an idiot for that matter who can only regurgitate other peoples insults. You truly are contemptible.
Is that the best you can come up with? Who's to say it isn't me, jask^ss, you, a twit who can't even use a phone book? Your false umbrage is pathetic.
'Is that the best you can come up with? '
It is absolutely true. It takes a real pussy to hide behind someone elses address.
'Your false umbrage is pathetic.'
Again, I call you pathetic and you rub both IQ points together and come up with 'Pathetic'. As I said, you are an idiot who can only regurgitate other peoples insults. Do the world and yourself a favor and take a bottle of pills.
you're running out of steam there boy, if that's the best you can do. Take a break and come back when you're refreshed. By the way, prove that it isn't my address. You say it isn't. You made the assertion, you prove it.
black or white are equal, so why dont like black and want to show that they like them like this drama which is being played with blacks. Obama will contest presidential elections but will not win I believe.
Hi Folks,
Please refrain from posting addresses and personal information on the site, speculative or otherwise. We have had court orders against us in the past forcing us to divulge IP addresses and I don't want any more.
Thanks
James
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There is no point in diverting the discussion into such a sterile manner anyway.Either the guy is really handicapped,and still that doesn't give an extra boost to his arguments anyway,either he is not,we'll never know,it is not important .Can we move on ?
''To get it straight, I am using a voice recognition program, because my arms got blown off defusing an IED. It is also on a Microsnot based PC. So if my spelling 'sucks,' take your attitude and go blow it our your arse.''
Guess your spelling is as bad as your bomb defusing, huh?
why all the verbal attacks? We are all here for Obama not to insult each other. If you are handicapped, we apologize for attacking you, why would anyone say they are any how. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
...By the way, I'm not here for Obama. This guy truely has one thing in common with Hirrary: He's a dem construct.
The dems are giving this guy a pass on every issue, on every sticky subject. The sooner we can hear him take a position the better.
Senator Obama's latest speeches have been a good deal more 'substantive' here of late. They are not that different from the substantive speeches made by other Democrats. They now consist of two themes. First, he sings 'How Great Thou Art' to his audience, and then he tells them that they are being abused by the big companies and the Republican-led Federal Government. While he is never entirely clear on what his exact intentions are, he then claims that he is the man to rescue his audience from all this 'evil'. He is very good at delivering this message.
...the liberal NEEDs a false enemy. If they do not have one, they concoct one. You see, if they do not have one, they would have to stand on a set of real principles, something they are without.
Global Warming is a good example.
George Bush is always a good one too.
The 'Big Corporation' is always a winner, or at least the one's who do NOT donate to their campaign funds.
Any for-profit oil company is always a winner.
You see, Obama is reeeeel cozy with the Coal producers. he's ramrodded legislation for them and helped them in other federal matters. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not see him referring to THOSE big corporations, right?
Outside of the one time, do you see this coming up? No. The libnazi press gags this stuff. This is the liberal press shaping the news for an end besides just informing the public.
I just listened to a speech he made today. He did address a number of concerns that I have had for a long time. For instance, insisting that our so-called trading partners actually have decent labor laws that are enforced and that foreign firms are obliged to meet the same environmental standards that American manufacturers are obliged to meet. He also promised to change tax brackets match the real world. This last is a major improvement from the Clinton's attitude that anyone making $50k/yr fall into the 'wealthy' bracket.
In his time in the Senate, where were some of these concerns he is now so concerned about?
Fair trade? He really needs to ask his party what they were thinking in the 1990's when they greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, WTO and MFN for China.
Taxes? He's on record as wanting to raise them, yet, he's given a pass for that.
This is Obama's appeal: in issue after issue, he has the position that he was never there for those things. It's a nice slot to be in.
This is easy for this guy: he can wax on about 'understanding culture' but how is a guy like this going to treat waterboarding when it's his ass being held responsible for security?
One good example is the last president who made all these same noises. We had Iran holding hostages for 444 days. Then he gave away the Panama canal.
Re'Fair trade? He really needs to ask his party what they were thinking in the 1990's when they greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, WTO and MFN for China.'
In truth, he should be asking that question of Democrats and Republicans alike. NAFTA passed in 1994 with bi-partisan support. The GATT rounds started in 1947 with the most recent incarnation being finalized in 1994, which was the version that brought us the WTO. MFN was granted in 2001, right at the end of Bill Clinton's last term and received the unalloyed blessings of George Bush. By the way, this is the reason I have NEVER voted for George Bush.
RE:'Taxes? He's on record as wanting to raise them, yet, he's given a pass for that.'
Actually, if you listen to what he says, there is no real difference between Obama's position on income taxes and John McCain's position on income taxes.
RE:'This is Obama's appeal: in issue after issue, he has the position that he was never there for those things. It's a nice slot to be in.'
Yes, it is. It also means that he will make mistakes that he will be long remembered for.
RE:'This is easy for this guy: he can wax on about 'understanding culture' but how is a guy like this going to treat waterboarding when it's his ass being held responsible for security?'
From what he has said, there is no difference between his position and John McCain's. If anything, John McCain is more emphatic in his objections than is Obama.
RE:'One good example is the last president who made all these same noises. We had Iran holding hostages for 444 days. Then he gave away the Panama canal.'
Good point. Shall we flip a coin, then?
Re'Fair trade? He really needs to ask his party what they were thinking in the 1990's when they greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, WTO and MFN for China.'
In truth, he should be asking that question of Democrats and Republicans alike. NAFTA passed in 1994 with bi-partisan support. The GATT rounds started in 1947 with the most recent incarnation being finalized in 1994, which was the version that brought us the WTO. MFN was granted in 2001, right at the end of Bill Clinton's last term and received the unalloyed blessings of George Bush. By the way, this is the reason I have NEVER voted for George Bush.
-SP4-The repubs are honest about their position, so no, they do not NEED to justify it. The dems, on the other hand, greenlighted every bill, took campaign funds from those who benefitted, and now say they oppose it, to get more support from the stupid fools who beleived them.
RE:'Taxes? He's on record as wanting to raise them, yet, he's given a pass for that.'
Actually, if you listen to what he says, there is no real difference between Obama's position on income taxes and John McCain's position on income taxes.
-SP4-I know, this is why I'm not too hot on McCain.
RE:'This is Obama's appeal: in issue after issue, he has the position that he was never there for those things. It's a nice slot to be in.'
Yes, it is. It also means that he will make mistakes that he will be long remembered for.
-SP4_I don't care about remembering his mistakes. I'd rather have someone who won't make them.
RE:'This is easy for this guy: he can wax on about 'understanding culture' but how is a guy like this going to treat waterboarding when it's his ass being held responsible for security?'
From what he has said, there is no difference between his position and John McCain's. If anything, John McCain is more emphatic in his objections than is Obama.
-SP4-Go check this weeks vote. I'd say their positions are far, far different, except that Obama won't go on the record. Golly, what a surprise!
RE:'One good example is the last president who made all these same noises. We had Iran holding hostages for 444 days. Then he gave away the Panama canal.'
Good point. Shall we flip a coin, then?
-SP4-No...I'd rather just have a clear thinker who tells me what he's really going to do.
People want change. This is one commodity they are certain to get in an election.
I want progress. This is change + improvement. THAT is not certain in an election. One way to know is to get someone who is clear about his positions. On this, Hirrary and Obama are, virtually the same!
RE:'I want progress. This is change + improvement. THAT is not certain in an election. One way to know is to get someone who is clear about his positions. On this, Hirrary and Obama are, virtually the same!'
I wish I could agree with you, but I see no such candidate in this race. Can we be truly certain that we are getting what we expect by voting for John McCain? I don't think so.
On the other hand, I am reasonably sure of what I'll get for my vote if I vote for Senator Obama. For instance, I listened to speech McCain gave with Joe Lieberman. The were in agreement that it would be necessary to pass a bill which would state that after date certain, the United States Revenue Code would be Null and Void. Congress would then have until that date to set up a new means of taxation. This was about the same time that Mike Huckabee was huckstering his tax plan. Since that time I have heard McCain speak on this issue again and the noises he's making now make it clear that all he has in mind is adjusting tax brackets, not actually revamping or replacing the current system.
It really worries me that Senator McCain is far to eager to please his friends in the Senate when he should be taking them to task. This misgiving is not helped any when I realize that Yaller Harry Reid and the Dear Speaker will use the war as a lever to get anything and everything they want out of John McCain.
'. Can we be truly certain that we are getting what we expect by voting for John McCain? I don't think so.'
I believe that we can, for good and for bad he has always been straightforward. That tends to be what alienates him from people.
Obama would be an unequivocal disaster for the United States. That is the best argument for McCain.
'On the other hand, I am reasonably sure of what I'll get for my vote if I vote for Senator Obama. '
Yes, a precipitous withdrawal in the face of the terrorists that we are beating in Iraq, higher taxes, a health care plan that is not only prohibitively expensive but unworkable, higher deficits and runaway spending from congress. How do we know this? He has said as much.
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