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Obama defends, criticizes his black minister
Mar 18, 2008, 16:02 GMT
Illinois Senator and Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama speaks at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on 18 March 2008. EPA/JEFF ZELEVANSKY
Washington - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama took the racial bull by the horns on Tuesday in a major speech about racism, defending yet criticizing his black minister for incendiary racist remarks and urging the country to get beyond racial divisions in order to tackle the country's major problems.
Obama spent 45 minutes speaking in the historic city of Philadelphia, where the nation's founders wrote the preamble to the US constitution in 1787, which begins, 'We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.'
'The document they produced remains unfinished, stained by this nation's sin of slavery,' Obama said, adding that his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination was about trying to create a more perfect union.
Obama, 46, is running neck and neck with fellow Senator Hillary Clinton, 60, for the Democratic presidential nomination in a spirited and closely fought race.
Obama gave the speech after a week of turmoil over anti-white remarks made by his spiritual advisor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr, from the pulpit in Chicago.
Video clips of Wright's sermons have been playing every day on television networks, and conservative network Fox News has been playing them often on the hour.
'We have heard Reverend Wright use incendiary comments ... to denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of this nation and to rightly offend both black and white,' Obama said. 'I have already condemned the statements that have caused such controversy ... and pain.'
But Obama refused to disown the role Wright has played in his life, introducing him 'to my Christian faith' and preaching the message of lifting up the poor and serving the sick.
'As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me,' Obama said. 'He strengthened my faith, officiated at my wedding, baptised my children,' Obama said. 'I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community ... or my white grandmother ... who has uttered racial stereotypes that made me cringe.'
'These people are part of America, this country that I love,' Obama said.
In his speech, Obama used the controversy to appeal to the nation that race was an issue the nation could no longer ignore. To not talk abouit it would be making the same mistake as 'Wright to amplify the negative to the point it distorts reality.'
Obama talked about the continuing anger felt not only by blacks but also by white Americans who 'don't feel they have been advantaged because of race' and who see their jobs being sent overseas, and feel blacks might be given the advantage in job applications because of affirmative action.
'This is a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years,' once which was exploited by the conservative alliance that brought Ronald Reagan to the White House in the 1980s, Obama said.
But he also appealed to the black community to 'move beyond some of our racial wounds' by refusing to embrace the injustices of the past and refusing to insist on seeing themselves only as victims of past racism.
He said Wright's mistake was to ignore the fact that racial progress in the US had 'made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest official in the land.'
Wright was still 'irrevocably bound to the tragic past.'
Obama also appealed to the country to ignore attempts to 'pounce on a Hillary supporter' like Geraldine Ferraro last week, who was charged by his own supporters with playing the race card after she remarked that Obama had benefitted from being black in his race for the presidency.
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...this will be interesting, the person who says the republicans are divisive has one really large problem: In order to win, Hillary must deal out the Black guy in a smoke filled room at the convention.
That's it: She cannot win on votes, so it's a floor fight, sales of influence and when it happens, or unless the superdelegates go south on her, she will have dealt out the first black candidate for president.
Then, she has to sell this, to whats left of her support and all those who voted for Obama. If she can do all that and win, heck, she deserve to be president!
But, consdier Obama: a person whpo never served his country, who used cocaine and has little or no experience.
Don't democrats accuse Bush of these things?
confusing Bush with McCain. Pull your helmet straps down real tight for this one SP4. Bush never did really serve his country; he just wasted a lot of tax-payers money with all of his bullshit. He did learn to fly though; I'd say he could fly a little better than McCain (John was a lousy pilot). Teaching Bush to fly was just another waste though------his mettle was never tested.
I bet Bush really wanted to go to SE Asia and dogfight those stinkin' migs. To his dismay, they couldn't sober him up long enough to put him on a boat.
..and you think I'm confused???
I would have to ask who's talking out his ass here? (that would be you of course!)
Since McCain qualified for carrier landings, by definition, I do not think he could be a lousy pilot.
So, if even a dumb-son-of-a-bitch like you would read my post, 10 or 20 more times, the question is:
How is Obama, who abuse drugs and never served his nation, by libnazi standards THEY defined, any different than Bush...other than he seems to be the correct shade of black?
...libnazis have spent 7 years criticizing Bush's religous beliefs.
Boy, can you pick these f--kers!
It seems Obama is speaking about the past....isn't this what he criticized the republicans for?
How dare the idiot osama talk about slavery in America as a sin?
To own a slave was a God-given, constitutional right, until the libnazis decided that it was politically incorrect to exercise this right.
Besides, anti-American propaganda makes slavery into some kind of mythological evil, when in fact it was a very benevolent, family-oriented sacred institution similiar to a marriage between a man and a woman. Osama is a typical demonrat hypocrite eager to defend the traitors and condemn our glorious past, while being totally unfit to a real leader.
Freedom of speech should not be tolerated when the purveyors of hate distort history, and continue to preach lies and nonsense about America.
Like the saying goes, no one so blind as he who will not see. I feel sorry for all you Obama people.
There is no more slavery in America. We dealt with it on the battlefield.
Now, perhaps, we can get on with the pressing issues of today?
let's get on with the pressing issues of the day, while SP4-F continues to rant and rave about non-sequiturs. Smoke another doobie, SPfricking idiot.
Let's discuss Mr Obama's links to big Coal, his crazy - assed preacher and his cocaine use. Or how about his never serving in the military. I had 7 years of hearing this about Bush, certainly, the poster above has something he can offer beside false witness?
'How dare the idiot osama talk about slavery in America as a sin?'
There is no slavery in the USA. There hasn't been since the 1860's when 620,000 mostly white Americans were killed in the American Civil War deciding the issue.
Obama is the product of a moonbat white woman and an African father so the only way his family could have been effected by slavery is as slave owners or slave sellers. Ironicaly, in Africa where Obamas father is from slavery still exists.
'To own a slave was a God-given, constitutional right'
It is in the bible, but certainly not the constitution. Go ahead, read it. Barack has shown his ignorance of the cornerstone of American law.
'Osama is a typical demonrat hypocrite eager to defend the traitors and condemn our glorious past, while being totally unfit to a real leader.'
Absolutely.
Obamas speech today was pathetic. If ever there was conformation of a mans malignant narcissism it was right there. 'Vote for me to make the badness of slavery go away'. This disgusting little man who has enjoyed the very best this country has to offer just basically offered to 'absolve whitey' by electing him. Trading off slavery to get himself elected diminishes the crime of slavery and is insulting to everyone in this country regardless of their color.
...sound like you have a lot to talk about. I'll just come back later.
An Elegant Farce
Obama’s ‘conversation’ about moral equivalence.
By Victor Davis Hanson
Barack Obama’s Tuesday sermon was a well-crafted, well-delivered, postmodern review of race that had little to do with the poor judgment revealed in Obama’s relationship with the hateful Rev. Wright, much less the damage that he does both to African Americans and to the country in general.
Obama chose not to review what Wright, now deemed the “occasionally fierce critic.” said in detail, condemn it unequivocally, apologize, and then resign from such a Sunday venue of intolerance — the now accustomed American remedy to racism in the public realm that we saw in the Imus and other recent controversies.
Instead, to Obama, the postmodernist, context is everything. We all have eccentric and flamboyant pastors like Wright with whom we disagree. And words, in his case, don’t quite mean what we think; unspoken intent and angst, not voiced hatred, are what matters more.
Rather than account for his relationship with a hate-monger, Obama will enlighten you, as your teacher, why you are either confused or too ill-intended to ask him to disassociate himself from Wright.
The Obama apologia was a “conversation” about moral equivalence. So the Wright hatred must be contextualized and understood in several ways that only the unusually gifted Obama can instruct us about:
1) The good that Rev. Wright and Trinity Church did far outweighs his controversial comments, which were taken out of context as “snippets” and aired in the “endless loop” on conservative outlets.
2) We are all at times racists and the uniquely qualified Obama is our valuable mirror of that ugliness: Wright may say things like “God damn America” or “Dirty Word” Israel or “Clarence Colon,” but then it must be balanced by other truths like Obama’s own grandmother who also expresses fear of black males (his grandmother’s private angst is thus of the same magnitude as Wright’s outbursts broadcast to tens of thousands).
3) We don’t understand Wright’s history and personal narrative. But as someone who grew up in the hate-filled and racist 1960s, it was understandable that he was bound to mature into his present angry anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-white mentality. (As if all blacks did?)
4) Indeed, Wright does nothing that much different from radio-talk show hosts and those of the Reagan Coalition who thrive on racial resentments. But whereas Wright has cause as a victim, his counterparts are opportunists who play on white fears.
5) And if we wish to continue to express worries about Obama’s past relationships with Wright — never delineated, never explained in detail — in trite and mean-spirited ways such as replaying the Wright tapes, then we have lost a rare opportunity to follow Obama into a post-racial America.
6) We, both black and white alike, are victims, victims of an insensitive system, a shapeless, anonymous “it” that brings out the worst in all of us — but it will at last end with an Obama candidacy.
The message? Some of us are never quite responsible for what we say. And Obama has no responsibility to explain the inexplicable of how he closely tied himself to someone of such repugnant and racist views. We will never hear “It’s time for Rev. Wright and me to part our separate ways, and here’s why.”
Instead, the entire Wright controversy evolved due to America’s failure to understand the Wright’s past and the present status of race. No doubt, the next time some public figure utters a racist comment — and it will happen — we will then expect to hear about context that explains and excuses such an apparent hurtful outburst.
Obama is right about one thing: We are losing yet another opportunity to talk honestly about race, to hold all Americans to the same standards of public ethics and morality, and to emphasize that no one gets a pass peddling vulgar racism, or enabling it by failing to disassociate himself from its source — not Rev. Wright, not even the eloquent, but now vapid, Barack Obama.
Honestly, I have read some real drivel, but this takes the cake.
1) The good that Rev. Wright and Trinity Church did far outweighs his controversial comments, which were taken out of context as “snippets” and aired in the “endless loop” on conservative outlets.
SP4: Rev. Wrights comments have been extensively vetted, aired on predominantly liberal media outlets, and have not been taken out of context. He is what he appears to be i.e. a disciple of the Culture of Grievance. Good does not excuse evil.
2) We are all at times racists and the uniquely qualified Obama is our valuable mirror of that ugliness: Wright may say things like “God damn America” or “Dirty Word” Israel or “Clarence Colon,” but then it must be balanced by other truths like Obama’s own grandmother who also expresses fear of black males (his grandmother’s private angst is thus of the same magnitude as Wright’s outbursts broadcast to tens of thousands).
SP4: We may, at times, be insensitive, but that makes no one a racist. Rev. Wright is a skilled speaker and his meanings are not misunderstood. What, other than he's black, is supposed to make Obama uniquely qualified????...about anything, and what does his white grandmother have to do with anything? Is she running for office?
3) We don’t understand Wright’s history and personal narrative. But as someone who grew up in the hate-filled and racist 1960s, it was understandable that he was bound to mature into his present angry anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-white mentality. (As if all blacks did?)
SP4: The Rev. Wright is now living in a world that has thrown off many of the things he experienced 40 years ago, and like many so called civil rights leaders, seems to benefit from keeping those things alive, financially and in numerous other ways.
4) Indeed, Wright does nothing that much different from radio-talk show hosts and those of the Reagan Coalition who thrive on racial resentments. But whereas Wright has cause as a victim, his counterparts are opportunists who play on white fears.
SP4: It seems to me that it is Mr. Wright who thrives on racial resentments. I have been listening to conservative media for my whole life and not heard the poison run like it runs from the Rev. Wright. By the way, the Reagan Administration (Reagans dead, by the way) prosecuted more civil rights violations than any administration in history.
5) And if we wish to continue to express worries about Obama’s past relationships with Wright — never delineated, never explained in detail — in trite and mean-spirited ways such as replaying the Wright tapes, then we have lost a rare opportunity to follow Obama into a post-racial America.
SP4: We are already in a post racial America and Rev. Wright is unable to live in the world of today. If Mr. Obama has a pastor-parishioner relationship with this person then he is the one unable to enter the post-racial era. We continue to express worries because this, user of cocaine, who never served his country, and has little practical experience, seems to hang with folks who simply hate America, does have us concerned.
6) We, both black and white alike, are victims, victims of an insensitive system, a shapeless, anonymous “it” that brings out the worst in all of us — but it will at last end with an Obama candidacy.
SP4: Do you actually think racism would end with an Obama candidacy? How many times in history did marrying off a relative fail to end wars? By what flight of fancy or reason, do you arrive at such a illogical conclusion?
No Sir, or Ma'am, your points are flawed as is your logic. You have no grasp on race relations, the world at large, the American public or history.
Go back to the campaign headquarters and tell them you've failed.
What makes this man 'uniquely Qualifed' at anything? He's never led any civil rights movements. He's never led any movement of any kind.
'Unique'...why because he's black?
Money buys great speeches. I was going to vote for Mr. Obama but I cannot vote for someone who obviously thinks I am stupid enough to believe he sat through so many of the hate filled 'sermons'. He seems to hang with the same types of folks in the KKK except they are black instead of white. So what is the difference. Sorry Obama, I can't vote for you. Choices left ain't much better either. At least the others lie better I guess.
Obama: Fire Imus
Obama First White House Contender to Call for Imus' Firing Over Racial Slur
By JAKE TAPPER
April 11, 2007
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In an interview with ABC News Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., called for the firing of talk radio host Don Imus. Obama said he would never again appear on Imus' show, which is broadcast on CBS Radio and MSNBC television.
'I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,' Obama told ABC News, 'but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.'
www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1
'Honestly, I have read some real drivel, but this takes the cake.'
It wasn't a pro Obama article SP4.
Obamas 'new black panther' website:
my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGrXCt
'' I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.''
Our first thought was that it was pretty low of Obama to exploit his (still living) grandmother in this way. Is it really necessary for the whole world to know about her private expressions of prejudice? Doesn't simple decency dictate that a public figure treat embarrassing facts about loved ones with discretion?
Obama was trying to accomplish something very specific by dragging his 'white grandmother' into this political mess. He was trying to diminish Wright's hateful theology by implying that it too is a private matter. Said Obama:
'' For the men and women of Rev. Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years.
That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.
And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Rev. Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning.''
Note how Obama elides the difference between a comment at the 'kitchen table' and a sermon delivered to a congregation of thousands and recorded on DVD.
Obama rightly faulted his spiritual mentor for using 'incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation.' But he tried to treat Wright's most outrageous comments as if they were aberrations rather than the most extreme expressions of an extreme ideology:
'' I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain.
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely--just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice.
Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country--a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America, a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.''
What Obama is evading is that this 'profoundly distorted view' is not just some passing emotion. It is what Wright himself, in the 'talking points' page of his congregation's Web site, describes as 'systematized black liberation theology.' As we noted yesterday, Wright credits James Cone of New York's Union Theological Seminary with having undertaken this systematization. Here again is Cone's description of black liberation theology:
''Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.''
So here we have, on the one hand, an old white woman who would be completely ordinary and anonymous but for her grandson's astonishing political success, and who harbors some regrettable prejudices; and, on the other, a leader in the black community who uses his pulpit to propagate an ideology of hate.
Obama said this morning, 'I have asserted a firm conviction--a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people--that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice if we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.'
But if he cannot speak out unequivocally against the public, organized bigotry of his spiritual mentor, how can he possibly live up to this promise?
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Like him or not,
rev Wrights statement that 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost is dead on
.
Any person who dosnt understand that must be stupid or watching the plastic news from fox.
I never said it was.
That still does not make the plastic news wrong.
get used to this man, you redneck crap-for-brains, he's going to be your president. He may be a nee-gra but he is twice the man of you're current texas-bullcrap-for-brains presidunce.
I want my MONEY back all those years going to those ingrate nations and than cursing our very existance.
It seems that foulmouthed and alleged pastor is a political activist and hater of whites and all that is American.
I am so glad the IRS is investigating his organization....notice how I did not say church for the term.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama is as Methodist as the pope in Rome.
That so called church is 4 blocks west of State Street and what a wonderful neighborhood to drive through........not!
Angry Chicagoan
Obama is a self serving, drug using, neophyte, who has never served his country and has little, if any, experience.
Seems to me republicans can live with that, after all, look at what he has in common with the current president!
McCain flew a few missions (23) then was shot down (because he broke his flight plan = bad pilot) and sat the rest of the war out. When he came home it was a pretty tall order to find a lofty place for him in the USN. USN was forced to maintain the McCain family tradition of lofty. This hardly makes him presidential material as you have stated. In the big picture, he is just a bad person and I know he has your vote.
I don't know what ails dem darkies and coloreds that they can not appreciate the golden opportunities given to them in America by
God. While all the oppressed white folks have had to fight and work hard for anything they can gets, the negroids all want to take for granted, and assume that it is there for them just for the taking, without doing next to nothing to get it. They don't even wants to recongizes that airplanes and trains, as well as buses where the third class sitts in the back. They just want a free ride sitting up front with the others who have paid their fares. They claim slavery was so bad, when in fact it was a sacred family-oriented benevolent institution that probably was too good that it spoils them, by giving them free food, medical attention,and houses to live in for doing little or nothing to deserve it. Meanwhiles us white folks had to works real hard for a living. Then the pathetical libnazis ruined everything in America by starting the dumb cibil wars, and robbing the states of their freedom to have slavery. Leave it to the libnazis to get the useless feds to interfer with our right to hang a bunch of convicted crimmesimals whatever we have the time off, like Sunday afternoons when we need some entertainsments and a chance to make a few bucks selling candy to the kids who came to see justice done. The libnazi communists were not content, catering to dem 'depressed minorities groups' by creating a giant welfare state for them and their hippy, free-loving free-loadingassociates back in the 60's, when the patriots were working hard to protect our country. Now they want to finish ruining whats we gots, by making a negroids nation with a clueless darkie as our leader, just so we can cut and run like cowards and sissies from our sacred battlesfields and killing fields in Alqaedairaq. God bless America because the demonrat libnazi coloroids certainly won't.
you a racist?
I can't believe anyone would set under a preacher if they didn't agree with what they were preaching for 20 years and not change their church.
IF he disagreed he could have gone else where after all it wasn't the only church aound I doubt.........must have been something there he liked.
The Colonel got up and said 'watch this film'. In it, four F105's rolled in, one at a time. The first three were shot down. The film ended. The colonel got up and said 'Gentlemen, the only thing you must ask yourselves is if you have the guts to be the fourth plane to roll in.'
A Lieutenant raised his hand and asked 'Colonel, what happened to the fourth plane?' The Colonel said ' He dropped his load and flew home'. The Lieutenant asked 'why wasn't he shot down too?' The Colonel said 'Because I went in at about 900 knots and no one could hit me'.
Everyone can see what you are trying to do to McCain. This is a real guy who really suffered, so you reached in and concocted some libnazi fantasy f--k about the most unfortunate experience of his life. Bravo for you.
What a Coward.
McCain's not a real conservative, and I have real reservations, but you made my mind up for me.
McCain has nothing to do with this article.
If Hillary wins the nomination she can so beat McCain. The best eight years the economy ever had was with Bill Clinton in office and then we had the worst eight years of flat line stock market because of the deregulation that the republicans put in. Hillary will tackle this stuff. She will give us universal healthcare not a crappy plan like Obama's that is not a universal healthcare plan. God I hope the DNC can get their act together and give us a real candidate.
...the only way Hillary wins is stealing the nomination with superdelegates. Obama has the majority of votes.
End of Story.
Now, how do you think all those folks who backed Obama will feel if Hillary is greenlighted in a smoke filled room?? Wanna take a guess if they will vote for Hillary, or not?
Think about that and get back to us.
'God I hope the DNC can get their act together and give us a real candidate.'
LOL!
They stopped with Truman!
'McCain flew a few missions (23)'
2 short of a full tour in WW2, idiot! He was also on Forrestal for the fire that killed 134 and injured 161 sailors. He is a genuine hero.
'then was shot down (because he broke his flight plan = bad pilot)'
You are just plain wrong and it couldn't be any more obvious that you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
'and sat the rest of the war out.'
Being continually tortured in the most inhuman conditions the viet cong could dish out, you lying piece of s*it.
'When he came home it was a pretty tall order to find a lofty place for him in the USN.'
Shaddup, idiot. You haven't got a clue.
'USN was forced to maintain the McCain family tradition of lofty.'
??? McCain's family served in the USN for generations. Obama is a crooked grifter who resents the united states and wouldn't serve it if his life depended on it.
'This hardly makes him presidential material as you have stated.'
McCain has 50 years of service to the USA. You are a moron.
'In the big picture, he is just a bad person and I know he has your vote.'
In the big picture you are just a little tic, abusing the freedom that braver people like John McCain have given you to lie and slander.
Judah Ben-Hur, Amb. and Barack Obama together for President, 2012
Now that Barack Obama is finished for this Presidential race, he should consider teaming with the American Republic and run with Judah Ben-Hur for President in 2012, and leave the 'black' race card behind. Run as Americans not Politicians.
NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM
Judah Ben-Hur
Ambassador
The American Republic
Diplomatic Mission: North America
Hey liar, did you stand up and put your hand over your heart when you wrote this last tirade?
My god man you really are a neo-con right wing military (probably not) expert? Just because you love this guy does not mean everyone does, and just because you blab the neo-con rant does not make it true.
We will see how Mr. McCain does, guys like you will only work to solidify the anti Bush III crowd. Keep up the good work.
'Hey liar, did you stand up and put your hand over your heart when you wrote this last tirade?'
Hey liar, did you sit with your head up your ass when you wrote yours?
'Just because you love this guy does not mean everyone does'
Love him or not, it doesn't matter. You are just a little liar.
'and just because you blab the neo-con rant does not make it true.'
Everything I wrote is verifiable. You are a little lying bi*ch.
'We will see how Mr. McCain does'
LOL, with the democrats doing what they do best; cutting their own throats, I think he will do fine.
'guys like you will only work to solidify the anti Bush III crowd.'
Bush isn't running again, you complete moron.
'Keep up the good work.'
Go play in traffic, you stupid s*it.
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A voteMar 18th, 2008 - 17:36:46
for Obama will only make things more complicated if he gets in. He has some very deep racial issues and makes some very nice speeches; that's about it for him.
There's only one man for this job and that's Hillary.
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