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May 12, 2008, 16:30 GMT
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...it seems Hillary's last defense is crumbling.
Now, it's nuke warfare. Her only way to get the nomination is to threaten to sink the election.
Oh, do shut up and have another bong-hit, SP. You are passed boring. You have become a Clinton stalking web troll.
'. You are passed boring. You have become a Clinton stalking web troll. '
And you are a passed boring sp4 stalking web troll.
None of that still makes me wrong though...
Hillary's only hope was the supers. Now, with that barrier out of the way, it makes it that much harder for the Cardinals of the libnazi church to coronate her.
Word around the campfore is that she's twisting arms with deals and personal stuff. I'll bet those FBI records are coming in handy about now!
Abridged:
BARACK OBAMA has emerged as a classic example of charismatic leadership — a figure upon whom others project their own hopes and desires. The resulting emotional intensity adds greatly to the more conventional strengths of the well-organized Obama campaign, and it has certainly sufficed to overcome the formidable initial advantages of Senator Hillary Clinton.
One danger of such charisma, however, is that it can evoke unrealistic hopes of what a candidate could actually accomplish in office regardless of his own personal abilities. Case in point is the oft-made claim that an Obama presidency would be welcomed by the Muslim world.
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...It is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.
As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.
Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.
His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)
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...In Iran in 1994 the intervention of Pope John Paul II and others won a Christian convert a last-minute reprieve, but the man was abducted and killed shortly after his release. Likewise, in 2006 in Afghanistan, a Christian convert had to be declared insane to prevent his execution, and he was still forced to flee to Italy.[...]Another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.
That an Obama presidency would cause such complications in our dealings with the Islamic world is not likely to be a major factor with American voters, and the implication is not that it should be. But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic.
Edward N. Luttwak, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, is the author of “Strategy: The Logic of War and Peace.”
www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAFbMLZm4g
Obama to hand US sovereignty over to the incompetent, racist, corrupt UN:
Obama's bill S2433 would require the U.S. to initially direct .7 percent of our GNP into the United Nations coffers for distribution as they see fit, for 'food' to third world nations. Under earlier agreements this would evolve into a national tax on the U.S. with the UN attempting to levy this on all first world nations.
The U.N. would have the power to increase this rate of taxation.
The U.S. would be required to surrender some of its sovereignty over foreign aid by putting it under UN control. The bill would force the U.S. to sign onto the U.N.'s Millennium Declaration, which would commit us not only to 'banning small arms and light weapons' but also to adhere to the International Criminal Court Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
So Obama finally tried to do something. What's the use of running for president when you are just going to hand your power over to the Secretary General?
WND called Obama's office and the others who support this bill....No comments.
www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/united_nations/news.php?q=1 210170368
Obama will quite simply destroy the USA.
We've endured two world wars, the cold war, and countless internal squabbles.
Obama is just another player. No matter what he does, we are still the preeminent world power.
'We've endured two world wars, the cold war, and countless internal squabbles.'
Gee, thanks for that. I am all ready to turn American sovereignty over to the United Nations now. I am all set to allow an incompetent international group of people who resent the United States, our presence on the world stage, our accomplishments and our philosophy to exert their control over us with the willing acquiescence of this glitzy sham that the lemmings have made their cult leader.
And I was worried until you cleared it all up for me.
'Obama is just another player.'
Well, that makes his policies OK then. Or even acceptable. Gee, good of you to contribute that. He is a 'player'. Clears everything right up.
'No matter what he does, we are still the preeminent world power.'
Famous last words. How many other 'preeminent world powers' have there been? Take a look at the last 'preeminent world power': the UK. We seem to be following them down the decadence pathway to 'just another country' status as fast as we can figure out how to. Obama would be a complete disaster for this country and signing our sovereignty over to the UN is a really great way (among many others this idiot proposes) of ending our status of 'preeminent world power'.
Regardless of who elected, we can't be led down the same crooked path that Bush has the U.S. tripping down - adding to all his debacles would have an horrendous affect to an already worrisome mess!
Obama is not particularly patriotic or ready to be commander in chief, in part because he never served in the military, no longer wears a lapel flag pin and opposed the Iraq war from the start. In addition to that he will not put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is being played. He does stand up though and for Obama, that's really something. I wish the USA good luck in the up coming elections.
So what if Obama doesn't place his hand over his heart when the national anthem is being played. That is far better than GW Bush, who reaches into his pants and whacks off.
if SP4 and company are going to wear their white robes and burn a cross on the Whitehouse lawn, when Obama becomes president.
Clinnie is more stone dead than Lenin - except Lenin has more followers.
This leaves Ole Cherry Blossom on Death Row with his execution date fixed for Tuesday 4th November 2008 - can`t wait to hear his last gasp.
Then John McCain, a highly distinguished war hero and accomplished statesman, will become US President and steer our great nation to glory and prosperity over the next 4-5 years.
Time to rejoice - YABBA-DABBA-DOO
Like I said in an earlier comment, the dumb Democrats lost half their votes during these long drawn out punch-ups, which have bored us out of our sculls over the past few months.
This is because 50% of their illiterate - OOPS, sorry I meant electorate, refused to sign their names on the ballot slips by putting an 'X'.
Because McCain is going to win.
DON'T BE DUPED !!!
IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. 'Carpe diem' (harvest the day). You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.
You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.
And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. Maybe it's time for Hillary to start thinking about switching to an INDEPENDENT run for the presidency. Wipe the slate clean. After all she is running to be the President of all the people. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea would cream everyone. You know it's true. :-)
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)
Onward Christian soldiers.
There was a saying once when the proletariat rose up against the ruling class during the French and Russian revolutions, it said ;-
THE WORKING CLASS ARE REVOLTING !
Well they sure are, what a good expression - you can`t argue with that.
How can Hillary's delegate count be 'much Higher' than it shows?
Explain this one to us. I cannot wait.
The fact is she lost her base, and did it all by her wooden, two-faced, duplicitous, vengeful, crooked self.
The dems are giving their party an enema and the Clintons are being washed out to sea. When the likes of the Kennedy's and the Hollywierdos abandon her, it's just NOT a good sign...
This is what I love about American politics: No matter what, we get a new person at least every 8 years.
The Gud Politishun is polishing up his comedy routine!
That ole stick er liquorice ain`t got no chance, it`s a one horse race.
He best go back to Momma before he gets chewed up into little pieces and
spat out right back to Illinois by the only party in the game - the Republicans.
'if SP4 and company are going to wear their white robes and burn a cross on the Whitehouse lawn, when Obama becomes president. '
Yeah yeah, vote for the idiot who resents the country he is running to represent or you are a member of the KKK. Clever argument.
doesn't stand a chance of winning. Nobody wants yet another old dog from the dog party. I mean from the republican party. He'll pop a heart valve during the election and that will be that for the old fart.
So said the jealous foreigner.
McCain will be just fine.... Both of Obamas parents died young (his father, supposedly, you know the one who knocked up his mother then split died while drunk driving.) and he smokes.
Plus he lives with that whining shrill idiot Michelle, so he just might end up offing himself like his daddy did.
be a person of color, ie a colored person. Probably a colored terrorist woman. Or perhaps a crooked real estate wife person.
to: The President May 12th, 2008 - 21:54:32
So what if Obama doesn't place his hand over his heart when the national anthem is being played. That is far better than GW Bush, who reaches into his pants and whacks off.
like a bunch of good old boy, sick puppies here. At least this presidential race has generated more interest than usual and, hopefully, more people out to vote.
Almost laughed my head off,some neocons must be really desperate for a republican to win.Is Obama really a muslim ?And at the same time the meek obedient servant of a baptist preacher who's racist ranting he is supposed to adhere because he was subjected to his preaching ?He 'll be one and then the other for the neocons who will gladly use contradicting schizophrenic logics as long as it might be effective in convincing the most mental deficient of the US voters .Just a bit more of the smear campaign .Not a problem if it doesn't even make sense,as long as it is efficient .Little do these neocons care if by these abject manners they introduce in the political debate they poison the very essence of democracy:the confronting of programs,measures necessary to improve on the well being of the population .How to improve education,revenues,safety,health care,etc,etc,that is the core of every debate,but none of that is ever addressed by any of them .They smear the democratic candidates with silly arguments and spin from a few neocon think-tanks riddled by military and profiteers from the current administration helped by the icons of extreme right media,like Rush Limbaugh,Pat Roberson and a few others ..
Finally they are left with absurd conclusion like :the UN is corrupt,incompetent,hostile,etc,et,c,forgetting that the UN issimply the rest of the world .Isn't that complete paranoia and utter stupidity ?
Part of this attitude is explained by the fact that the USA sometimes is the only defender of Israel in that forum.Another explanation is givenby the situation that the USA is spending half of the world's budget on armament,left with no other logical consequence as to claim unilateral leadership of the world's affairs .I guess the term coalition of the willing then,used in Afghanistan to denominate the participants in the war on the Taliban infact should be correctly labeled (the USAand it's vassals ,is that perhapsthe vision of the situation by neocons ?
Sorry guys,no deal,the past incompetence of BUsh,Rumsfeld and the greed of your corporate system,as well as the failure to understand even the most simple aspects of the most serious problem ever faced by mankind,climate change,show beyond alld oubt that no single country can take possession of the rest of the world .It will take the combined effort of humanity to address the future .Undoubtfully MCain is just another incompetent puppet of the establishment.I hope most americans will see it like this too.Enough smear,time for a real debate...
Your ramblings are getting worse. They surf from one subject to the next. Whats next, cow tipping?
We have zillions of foreigners write on this site and none of them show the obsessive lilt in their comments you do. You sound like 'Dwight Shroot' on 'THE Office' for god's sake.
Come out of the closet Tonny, you're embarrassing yourself with all this necon libnazi propaganda. Hell, neocons were once liberals!
you're a neo-con.
'Almost laughed my head off,some neocons must be really desperate for a republican to win.Is Obama really a muslim '
From the New York Times... A famous 'neocon' newspaper.
if all of this is what some call 'psycho babble'?
Yup, it does seem to be a lot of republican psychos babbling.
West Virginia Democratic Primary Results
Candidate Votes %
Hillary Clinton 172,727 66%
Barack Obama 69,867 27%
See how well Obama is going to do post Wright?
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