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Why, I ask you, would President Obama want a lying cut throat lurking in the White House?
We are only now ridding ourselves of Dick Cheney!
Sniper fire, indeed!
DON'T BE DUPED AGAIN AMERICA !!!
IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!
Large numbers of BUSH_McCain Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on with the backing and help of the medical and insurance industry. Under the direction of the George Bush, and Karl Rove vote fraud, and vote manipulation machine. Because they feel Barack Obama would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And they want to stop Hillary Clinton from fixing the HUGE! American, and Global mess they have created. shocking!!! isn't it. Just gotta love those good old draft dodging, silver spoon Texas boys. Not! :-(
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves off of you, and your children's suffering.
With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality affordable universal health care for everyone very soon. And you are also certain to see major improvements in the economy for everyone.
The American people face even worse catastrophes ahead than the ones you are living through now. It will take all of the skills, and experience of Hillary Clinton to pull the American people out of this mess we are in. Fortunately fixing up, and cleaning up others incompetence, immoral degeneracy, and mess is what the Clinton's do very well.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
Just look at Oregon for example. Obama won Oregon by about 70,000 votes. But approximately 79,000 Bush republicans switched party's back in January to vote for Obama in the democratic primary. They are not going to vote for, or support any Democrat in November. Are you DEMOCRATS going to put up with that. Are you that stupid, and weak. The Bush republicans think you are that stupid, and weak.
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. This is even more phenomenal when you consider she has been also fighting against the George Bush, Karl Rove vote fraud machine in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Hillary Clinton is STUNNING!.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and Bush republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.
You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.
And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. :-)
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. Cynthia Ruccia - I'm with ya baby. All the way. 'Clinton Supporters Count Too.'
...brevity?
psycho babble!
'Why, I ask you, would President Obama want a lying cut throat lurking in the White House?'
Because he is married to the ugly thing?
'(America is) just downright mean.' -- Michelle Obama
'For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.' -- Michelle Obama
'The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.' -- Michelle Obama
'Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.' -- Michelle Obama
Sort of like Custer's Last Stand!
Hillary will persist until Obama gets such an insurmountable lead in delegates that she will no longer be able to live in denial. Pity that so much time, money, and effort have been wasted entertaining her delusion of being a viable contender!
Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!
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'Hillary will persist until Obama gets such an insurmountable lead in delegates that she will no longer be able to live in denial'
It is imposable art this point for him to do that. She is also ahead in the popular vote.
I am SO glad that I haven't seen Hillary in a floral blouse. John McCain would look better in a floral blouse, but then that is about the only difference between Hillary and John.
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Flippety-floppity-fu!
The man is NOT fit to be President of the United States.
Ron Paul flipped....Reagan too....Show me one candidate who never flip flopped...honestly, considering the company he is in, how can MCCain be any less fit...?
Seriously....we never do very well with a middle of the road guy anyway. I think the next President is either Black or a woman...
To SP4 you have endorsed a 'black man for president?' Unbelievable
believe anybody would endorse the foul character possessed by Barack Obama. This is crazy insane and it exposes the mentality of our political system. Time to do a write-in.
...and Liberace', Roy Cohn and Freddie Mercury all died of the flu...
I have a problem with a man as old as McCain taking over the Presidency because it's all down hill from here. Sure, he might be one of the few old people who can keep their wits and brains intact, but why take a chance. We've seen what can happen when a younger guy couldn't keep his wits and brains intact. Voting for McCain would be pushing the envelope. Just hope he has the good sense to appoint a decent VP.
If he is 71, and his wits are intact, then why NOT? Certainly, a vigorous campaign will bear this out, right?
he won't be 71 forever - he will be 72 at election time, then add 4 more years to that and, hopefully, not 8, if he does make it once. The odds of his hanging onto his current state of mind doesn't improve!
Hillary has lost. all that she is doing now is dividing the democratic party at a time when it most needs to unite. Mcane (bad spelling I know) is too old and has alienated his base, without divine intervention Obama is going to be the next president of the united states. And I personaly think that it is a good thing.
I think the divine intervention you are referring to is known here as the democratic party. The presidency should be a shoe in for them yet they may in fact screw it up.
Obama/Webb will be nearly impossible to beat though. When he is not ranting, Webb omes across as VERY credible and covers Obama's weak areas.
They do, however, have a saying in the republican party:
'In 1968, the nation elected Richard Nixon.'
The average US life span is 77.6 years to people getting average health care
You think the President gets average health care--get real
Age is not an issue here unless you stop to realize the longer you live the more knowledge and wisdom you have a chance to gain
Your comparing 2 1 term public servants to someone with a lifetime of service--granted I don't agree with him on a number of issues, he still is the most qualified
what has life span have to do with retaining good intelligence in advancing age? You can have a healthy body and a weak mind which has been demonstrated over and over - so give me another argument on age.
Look at Reagan - his mind was leaving way before his body left office.
'I am SO glad that I haven't seen Hillary in a floral blouse. John McCain would look better in a floral blouse, but then that is about the only difference between Hillary and John.'
Noharness, Previously you have impressed me with your ability to reason out a problem however I can only conclude that you have been hit in the head by something heavy during your absence from M&C.
To equate John McCain with that grasping, pathologically lying sociopath is not fair or accurate.
It is looking like you have bought in to the whole 'Big Rock Candy Mountain' bs. Don't kid yourself that it is based on logic or principals though. Sounds like you are saying: If I can''t get EVERYTHING I want then the whole country can go to hell, which is exactly the alternative.
'You can have a healthy body and a weak mind which has been demonstrated over and over '
Sure, just look at Obama.
wow sp4 is sure smart.
Thank you.
What a re-enactment ! Perfect and on site.
Custer`s last stand all over again and in South Dakota and Montana. Not on the Little Big Horn surely ? Him good place for red man, white man run like prairie dog. Give Indian much sport.
White woman speak with forked tongue. Me think it is fella in drag, meant to fool Indian. Big clue, she got hairy legs and big feet.
Crazy Horse will massacre Golden Hair and take many scalps. Then red man have much fire water in wigwams with big chief Sitting Bull, make happy with many squaws.
Send scouts out to look for great horse soldier McCain and his pony soldiers.
Then call many warriors to big war dance, ready for battle.
doesn't rcognise sarcasm when it slaps him in the face.
No one said youth equaled intelligence - we were talking about health in advancing age, and I still say you can have a healthy 'old' body, but your mind is gone!!!!!
i can't understand why she is not using the fact that now in united state we have a huge black community who controlling the music rnb hip hop and not let involv the lebians power from the hollywood side sex and the city, the another fact the 2 more important states are constitutionnaly right with the human right to be freedom.
RE:'Noharness, Previously you have impressed me with your ability to reason out a problem however I can only conclude that you have been hit in the head by something heavy during your absence from M&C.'
Oh, how I wish this were the case. Sadly, it isn't. I do my absolute best to follow reason and this is where reason leads. The fact that it makes many nauseous, me included, does nothing to change the truth nor the only conclusions that can be derived therefrom.
RE:'To equate John McCain with that grasping, pathologically lying sociopath is not fair or accurate.'
When you closely examine his political positions, he and Hillary are very nearly a matched set. Hillary will not suddenly withdraw her troops from Iraq and neither will Obama. The only REAL difference between John McCain and The Clintons is over Israel.
Global Warming? McCain and the Clintons agree. They both favor the faux non-solutions to this non-problem espoused by the non-President Albert Gore, the self-proclaimed King of Green and inspirational leader of Leonardo DiCaprio.
Health care? McCain and the Clintons agree. The only difference between their proposed policies is that McCain is trying to dress up his 'health care plan' in the same faux-capitalist clothing that is proposed to hide the flagrant socialism championed to solve the non-problem with 'global warming'.
Taxes? John McCain did NOT support the Bush Administration's revised tax structure. That's right, read his lips! He's lying! He knows that he will have a Legislature dominated by Democrats to hide behind on this one. He will likely never even make an honorable charge at this one.
Energy? Don't make me laugh! He does NOT have a coherent energy policy in mind--unless he has recently adopted Mitt Romney's ideas on the matter. If he has, that is the only thing that will persuade me to vote for him. Right now, all he has made known is that he likes Albert Gore's approach to controlling the energy markets in the name of curbing 'global warming' with a sop to the conservatives by advocating the construction of nukes. Think about it. He's going to have a left wing legislature to hide behind. I cannot find any reason to think that he will make any serious attempt to effectively deal with our national security needs in this area. There is too much math involved and he cannot wrap his head around. Worse, he can't pay attention for long enough to grasp even the basics of it. Mind you, I am basing this analysis on what I found on his web site and the things I have heard him say.
RE:'It is looking like you have bought in to the whole 'Big Rock Candy Mountain' bs.'
Not hardly. It is Senator McCain who has bought into the Big Rock Candy Mountain bullshit and I have no intention of being hobo's whore.
RE:'Don't kid yourself that it is based on logic or principals though. Sounds like you are saying: If I can''t get EVERYTHING I want then the whole country can go to hell, which is exactly the alternative.'
This is where YOU are making a mistake. This is not like opting your second or third preference in a second automobile. This guy is operating on the same philosophical principles the left-wingers hold immutable. Because he has accepted these things as being true, he will always arrive at the same conclusions as the left-wing Democrats. He may be reluctant in accepting and acting on those conclusions, but he has no hope of avoiding them.
Electing Senator McCain will result in giving the Democrats ninety-percent of what they want and they will receive it with a Republican Stamp of approval on it. I never want to see that again. It was bad enough under Tricky Dick. It is better to give the Democrats everything they want and watch it blow up in their faces--AND IT WILL.
It's always refreshing to hear people wish bad things on our country with whoever is elected. That's just the kind of thing we need to keep us in the game. I, for one, hope that nothing blows up in our faces and that whoever sits at the head of the table has enough intelligence to help get us out of the mess the country's been in for almost 8 years!
RE:'It's always refreshing to hear people wish bad things on our country with whoever is elected. That's just the kind of thing we need to keep us in the game. I, for one, hope that nothing blows up in our faces and that whoever sits at the head of the table has enough intelligence to help get us out of the mess the country's been in for almost 8 years!'
Don't hold your breath, Jett. No one of the three running right now can cut the mustard.
'Why, I ask you, would President Obama want a lying cut throat lurking in the White House? Because he is married to the ugly thing?'
Shows your total lack of class. Just because you are a liar and a bigot you do not have to show it on a continual basis.
'(America is) just downright mean.' -- Michelle Obama'
Your point in pointing out this. America is mean to some people, get a grip on reality!
'For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.' -- Michelle Obama'
Again just what is your bigoted lying point here? This can be true to some people, not everyone is 'apple pie' American. Not much you can do about that.
'The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.' -- Michelle Obama'
True statement, still don't get your point. Just because you may have to pay a bit more in taxes, really irks you doesn't it. Too bad, one vote for you one vote for me.
'Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.' -- Michelle Obama
Sounds good to me, someone with a vision. What a concept, not listening to all the negative---the place where you dwell.
'Sadly, it isn't. I do my absolute best to follow reason and this is where reason leads. '
You are Very much off the path of reason here.
'When you closely examine his political positions, he and Hillary are very nearly a matched set.'
On some issues they are not as far off as I would like them to be, on others they are. It doesn't change the fact that you will be gioven a binary choice in November. With McCain we will stand a fighting chance of salvaging Americas place in the world. With Obama we will not.
'Hillary will not suddenly withdraw her troops from Iraq and neither will Obama.'
YES THEY WILL. GET THAT CLEAR IN YOUR HEAD. They have pledged to do it from point a to point B to point c. Cutting to the chase here; Obama, the Democratic nominee is as serious as a tumor when he says that he will withdraw American troops from Iraq regardless of the conditions there. At some point you have to take these people at their word. (God, where do these supposed 'conservatives get this STUPID idea that they are not deadly serious about withdrawing our troops from Iraq. It is the CORNERSTONE of their campaign.)
'The only REAL difference between John McCain and The Clintons is over Israel. '
That is not true. The quintessential difference is that John McCain actually loves the USA and believes in the ideals of the Constitution, Decoration of Independence and the the importance of the individual. The Clintons/Obamas believe in power for powers sake and telling people what they want to hear in order to get it.
'Global Warming? McCain and the Clintons agree.'
You are going to be faced with choice 'A' or choice 'B'.
'Health care? McCain and the Clintons agree. '
No they do not, regardless, see the whole: You are going to be faced with choice 'A' or choice 'B' thing.
'Taxes? John McCain did NOT support the Bush Administration's revised tax structure.'
And? Take a look at our national debt. Who is going to pay for the wars that we are in? Where is the money going to come from for all these bridges to no where that the Democrats are going to be putting up when they have absolutely nothing to slow them down. You want to talk about raising taxes? Who is going to pay for another gigantic entitlement program that will dwarf social security and Medicare combined? We will have euro-style socialism under Obama, and it DOES NOT WORK.
'That's right, read his lips! He's lying! '
Well, you seem to have a crystal ball and a window in to peoples brains that the rest of us don't. We mere mortals can only go by what people say they are going to do. The Democrats say they are going to raise taxes, a lot. McCain says he won't.
'He will likely never even make an honorable charge at this one.'
He has made an honorable charge to control spending for years. Zero earmarks. Take a look at Clinton/Obamas wasteful spending.
'Energy? Don't make me laugh! He does NOT have a coherent energy policy in mind-'
The only candidate that supports nuclear, the only candidate for increased drilling, the only candidate paying lip service to energy independence.
'If he has, that is the only thing that will persuade me to vote for him.'
Fine, just don't drone on about 'Big Rock Candy Mountain' when you are placing your hopes on the same thing.
'He's going to have a left wing legislature to hide behind.'
Better to give them 2 branches of government, hell 3 by the time they are done.
'There is too much math involved and he cannot wrap his head around. Worse, he can't pay attention for long enough to grasp even the basics of it.'
You are simply hysterical. At this point I hgave a lot mopre faith in his judgment then yours.
'This guy is operating on the same philosophical principles the left-wingers hold immutable.'
That is simply not true. You sir, STUPIDLY voted for the most liberal senator in congress and you want me to think that you are somehow wedded to 'conservative philosophical principals'?
'Because he has accepted these things as being true, he will always arrive at the same conclusions as the left-wing Democrats.'
Because he has accepted the whole global warming BS as true he will surrender in the middle east and appease the terrorists who want us destroyed.... Nope doesn't make a little bit of sense.
'
Electing Senator McCain will result in giving the Democrats ninety-percent of what they want and they will receive it with a Republican Stamp of approval on it. '
Not that I buy that for a second, but the alternative is 4 years of giving then 100% approval in which time the damage done to my precious country would be catastrophic.
'It is better to give the Democrats everything they want and watch it blow up in their faces--AND IT WILL.'
SOME OF US HAVE TO LIVE HERE, YOU COMPLETE MORON. BLOWING UP IN 'THEIR FACES' IS THE SAME AS BLOWING UP IN OURS. You are betting that the catastrophe that they cause will be so great that people will have no choice but to crawl back to the Republican party. Firstly the damage that they will do in the mean time will take ages to undo if you are correct. Secondly, and more probably you are not correct, we will be on our way down the socialism pathway like Canada and then Europe. People will be conditioned to accept less and less and the 'need' for the government to make decisions for them will grow and grow, as will the government itself.
You are just plain dead wrong in your conclusions. This all or nothing mentality that you have is going to leave you with nothing.
'Shows your total lack of class. '
Why, I didn't marry the grievance peddling eyesore.
' Just because you are a liar and a bigot you do not have to show it on a continual basis.'
Where are the lies, where is the bigotry? Posting what she said is neither.
'Your point in pointing out this. '
It is an untrue statement that shows her contempt for our society. If it were a 'mean country' she would have actually needed decent SAT scores and some cash to go to Princeton.
'Again just what is your bigoted lying point here?'
How is it bigoted or lying, you pathetic fool? You really need to learn some new words. One would think that someone with your self described education wouldn't be so slow to catch on to such a simple reality that quoting someones own words is not a lie and not bigotry. You also have been the only person on this site who has declared that she is going to vote for someone because of their race. The idea that you would then turn around and seethe and whine that someone else is taking a principled stand against this incompetent twit that your all important 'tribe' is on the verge of nominating is somehow bigotry is beyond pathetic.
The obvious point, that you were too stupid to get yet again is that it is an incredibly narcisistic statenment that shows what a self possesed idiot this woman is. No wonder you identify with her.
' not everyone is 'apple pie' American. '
If you have nothing to be proud of here I suggest you get your fat ass out. You ought to be very proud of a country that is successful enough to subsidize incompetent spoiled brats like yourself who otherwise would actually have to produce something of merit other then self-important BS in order to put food into your big mouth.
'True statement, still don't get your point. Just because you may have to pay a bit more in taxes, really irks you doesn't it.'
I think I have given parasites like you enough for one lifetime.
'Sounds good to me, someone with a vision'
Sounds good to you because you are a moron. To a normal person it sounds like a gulag. The only upside of living in a gulag is that someone like you would actually get a much lacking dose of reality in your life. No more free ride on productive peoples backs.
'Why, I didn't marry the grievance peddling eyesore.'
Which time the 2nd or 3rd failed marriage?
'Where are the lies, where is the bigotry? Posting what she said is neither. '
Just wanted to remind our readers that you are the liar of the board. Most of the time you only tell half the truth, so credibility comes into play---you have none.
'It is an untrue statement that shows her contempt for our society. If it were a 'mean country' she would have actually needed decent SAT scores and some cash to go to Princeton.'
I think your greed and jealousy is showing here. I do believe that greater men than you (for sure) have gotten into ivy league schools with less than she had---but I know that is OK with you as they are white men.
'How is it bigoted or lying, you pathetic fool? You really need to learn some new words. One would think that someone with your self described education wouldn't be so slow to catch on to such a simple reality that quoting someones own words is not a lie and not bigotry. You also have been the only person on this site who has declared that she is going to vote for someone because of their race. The idea that you would then turn around and seethe and whine that someone else is taking a principled stand against this incompetent twit that your all important 'tribe' is on the verge of nominating is somehow bigotry is beyond pathetic.'
You lie all the time and your bigotry is constantly showing whenever you speak of either Obama. In regards to new words I constantly use these for two reasons. The 1st is that they are true, the second is because when you quit calling people idiots & parasites. People are tired of these words, but you keep using them. Please show me where I said I was going to vote for Obama Just because he was black, so I believe that this is a half truth again. Your last rant in this paragraph shows everyone how little credibility you have as you want everyone to be as stupid and bigoted as you are---thank god people have better common sense than that.
'The obvious point, that you were too stupid to get yet again is that it is an incredibly narcisistic statenment that shows what a self possesed idiot this woman is. No wonder you identify with her. '
Your inconsequential opinion.
'If you have nothing to be proud of here I suggest you get your fat ass out. You ought to be very proud of a country that is successful enough to subsidize incompetent spoiled brats like yourself who otherwise would actually have to produce something of merit other then self-important BS in order to put food into your big mouth. '
That is not for you to decide. You are no better than I am. I can stay here and still the government when they are making a mistake, the fact that you do not do that makes you a worse American than me. What I 'produce' is much more important than the dribble you spew everyday.
'I think I have given parasites like you enough for one lifetime.'
You have given me nothing. You are the worst kind of American, think you are owed more than the millions just like you. Again with the parasite thing, you are a recording. I go to work everyday and shape the future of this country. I think you owe me for that you parasite.
'Sounds good to you because you are a moron. To a normal person it sounds like a gulag. The only upside of living in a gulag is that someone like you would actually get a much lacking dose of reality in your life. No more free ride on productive peoples backs.'
Says you. 'Normal' must mean the majority of the voting public? You are not in the broadest stroke of the brush 'normal'. Free rides, you are a joke!
'Which time the 2nd or 3rd failed marriage?'
Wrong again, which failed marriage are you on? Or do you simply ignore the formalities and just get knocked up?
'Just wanted to remind our readers that you are the liar of the board. '
Where have I lied? (Not that I expect an answer, you are just going to default back to your infantile retort of calling everything you disargee with a lie without a scintilla of evidence.)
'Most of the time you only tell half the truth, so credibility comes into play---you have none.'
And simply calling someone a liar for posting someone else's quotes makes you credible? Or an idiot... Yeah, an idiot. You really are just plain stupid.
'I think your greed and jealousy is showing here.'
Because I had to get good SAT scores? Nope, that came naturally.
'I do believe that greater men than you (for sure) have gotten into ivy league schools with less than she had'
I doubt it. Her dissertation looked like it was written in crayon.
'but I know that is OK with you as they are white men.'
Again with the bigotry. And you have the audacity to call others bigots. Your paternalism toward black people is absolutely disgusting. You are a sanctimonious, pompous ass who thinks that she is in the position to treat other human beings as if they were your 'pets' to be 'uplifted' by your charity. You surly have the secret contempt of any person of color who values their own dignity, bigot.
'You lie all the time '
Where? Idiot.
'your bigotry is constantly showing whenever you speak of either Obama.'
Where? I know that you would love to shout others down who take a principled stand against this kickback taking grifter and dangerous incompetent as racists, but it is just more proof of the weakness of your case for this appeasing, lying threat to my country that you have to resort to such McCarthyism instead of offering a reasoned counterargument. OOps, I somehow forgot; you are too stupid to do that.
' The 1st is that they are true, '
Well then, you should be able to offer up something that I have said to prove that? Right? I can offer up your quotes that are racist, classist, anti-military, elitist and homophobic... yet you call me a bigot without any evidence. Lets see some evidence, idiot.
'the second is because when you quit calling people idiots & parasites.'
I the idiot/parasite shoe fits... Plenty of evidence to back THAT up as well.
'People are tired of these words,'
And these 'people' that you speak for.. did you have a meeting and they elected you to represent them... No, YOU tire of being called an idiot and a parasite. Smarten up and stop being useless then.
'please show me where I said I was going to vote for Obama Just because he was black'
Here you go:
Feb 17th, 2008 - 19:05:11
'We don't need another old white man running the country'
Feb 17th, 2008 - 20:32:30
' I guess I am a bigot against old white men.'
Nov 8th, 2007 - 02:27:55
'Now if that is a diatribe or makes me a bigot---tough sh-t'
You have sneered at the poor (as long as they were white), people from the south, you have denigrated the troops who defend your constitutional right to be a spoiled clown... You laughably regard yourself as one of the intellectual elite when you are wholly incapable of offering a reasoned counterargument and when you are forced to make an effort to do so you default back to bigotry, racism and basically everything you try to smear others with when you don't have anything legitimate to contribute to the conversation. Out of helplessness and frustration at your inability to press a point, or in this case even have one you repeat the word 'liar' over and over even though it is without a shred of evidence; indeed it is in itself a lie.
'Your last rant in this paragraph shows everyone how little credibility you have as you want everyone to be as stupid and bigoted as you are-'
How?
'Your inconsequential opinion.'
So the USA has been pretty lousy to Michelle Obama. Free or subsidized education, opportunity, the chance to marry someone who got a tax payer earmark for her hospital, which coincidentally almost doubled her salary. Nice house, bought with the help of Tony Rezko who bilked the US tax payers out of millions... Looks to me like the USA has been very good to the Obamas, and that she is a spoiled mal-content.
'That is not for you to decide.'
Just looking out for your happiness.
'You are no better than I am.'
You have demonstrated that you can not form a reasoned articulate counterargument; which makes me better at what we can measure here. Further, you have written that as a 'professor' (which is probably a lie) that you see it as your job to 'lead 'the herd' that is your student body, to indoctrinate rather then educate them which makes you lousy at your job. I don't think there is anyone who has ever called me that.
'I can stay here and still the government when they are making a mistake'
Still the government?
'the fact that you do not do that makes you a worse American than me.'
Then 'I' professor, sorry, I don't know how to 'still' the government.
' You are the worst kind of American, think you are owed more than the millions just like you.'
Millions just like me?
'I go to work everyday and shape the future of this country.'
According to you you steal from the future of our country. You have given up on your mission of informing for one of persuading. It isn't your job to 'shape' anyone, they have a right to shape themselves. I saw so many petty little control freaks like you in academia it was pathetic. You think you are an intellectual by shouting the party line in an echo chamber? Think you could hack it outside of ASU? Think people don't catch on and just tell you what you want to hear to get the letter? Wrong, wrong, wrong.
''Normal' must mean the majority of the voting public?'
They haven't heard her big whining mouth to the fullest extent yet.
' Free rides, you are a joke!'
Not exactly a rebuttal...
RE:'You are Very much off the path of reason here.'
You are certainly entitled to make your own estimates.
RE:'On some issues they are not as far off as I would like them to be, on others they are.'
When it comes to what REALLY matters, he's on the wrong side of the fence!
RE:'It doesn't change the fact that you will be given a binary choice in November.'
This is not true, either. I could do what some seventy percent of the Republican rank and file is likely to do and simply stay home. Many will likely vote for Bob Barr as a protest vote.
RE:'With McCain we will stand a fighting chance of salvaging Americas place in the world. With Obama we will not.'
We do NOT have any such chance no matter who we elect this time around. No one of the three potential candidates from the two major parties has the wherewithal to accomplish such a feat.
RE:'YES THEY WILL. GET THAT CLEAR IN YOUR HEAD. They have pledged to do it from point a to point B to point c. Cutting to the chase here; Obama, the Democratic nominee is as serious as a tumor when he says that he will withdraw American troops from Iraq regardless of the conditions there. At some point you have to take these people at their word. (God, where do these supposed 'conservatives get this STUPID idea that they are not deadly serious about withdrawing our troops from Iraq. It is the CORNERSTONE of their campaign.)'
Democrats NEVER but NEVER fully deliver on their promises. They have a very long record in that regard. In my estimation, not even Harry Reid would support such a move when it comes time to actually act. At heart, they are as venal and cowardly as LBJ was.
'The only REAL difference between John McCain and The Clintons is over Israel. '
That is not true. The quintessential difference is that John McCain actually loves the USA and believes in the ideals of the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and the the importance of the individual.'
HE IS A COLLECTIVIST! His actions and his stances on current issues make that very plain. Yes, he IS patriotic. Yes, he does believe in defending this country from external threats, but the more dangerous threats to the United States are inside our borders and he is clearly incapable of recognizing those.
RE:'The Clintons/Obamas believe in power for powers sake and telling people what they want to hear in order to get it.'
Undeniably true.
RE:'You are going to be faced with choice 'A' or choice 'B'.'
If we restrict our privilege of franchise to the two major parties at this point in time we have only one choice. 'A' for Al Gore and 'A' for Al Gore. I do hope you will forgive me if I am less than satisfied with that 'choice'.
RE:'No they do not, regardless, see the whole: You are going to be faced with choice 'A' or choice 'B' thing.'
I wish this were the case, but it isn't so by several decimal places. Senator McCain agrees with the Clintons and Senator Obama in principle. He believes that further government interference in this area will 'fix' our problems. He fails to recognize that government interference is THE PROBLEM.
RE:'And? Take a look at our national debt. Who is going to pay for the wars that we are in? Where is the money going to come from for all these bridges to no where that the Democrats are going to be putting up when they have absolutely nothing to slow them down. You want to talk about raising taxes? Who is going to pay for another gigantic entitlement program that will dwarf social security and Medicare combined? We will have euro-style socialism under Obama, and it DOES NOT WORK.'
As I have pointed out, it will blow up in their faces. I see that as a GOOD THING. The very idea of it will finally be completely discredited. We do NOT have as good a health care system as we should have as matters stand right now. Under current policies it is going to deteriorate. Senator McCain's proposals will blow up in his and our faces as badly as it has in Mitt Romney's face. It is the acceptance of left-wing principles here that is the root of the problem. It is rather similar to a boil. If you do not lance it and extract the core, it will keep right on coming back.
RE:'Well, you seem to have a crystal ball and a window in to peoples brains that the rest of us don't. We mere mortals can only go by what people say they are going to do. The Democrats say they are going to raise taxes, a lot. McCain says he won't.'
You have a point here. He will allow the Democrats to do that for him.
RE:'He has made an honorable charge to control spending for years. Zero earmarks. Take a look at Clinton/Obamas wasteful spending.'
The earmarks, as egregious as they are, are not our main problem insofar as spending goes. Would Senator McCain champion a plant to phase social security out of existence? Will he free the the medical industry from government interference? Absolutely not! He accepts those as 'givens' even though you could not find or create a greater violation of the spirit of our Constitution, no matter how hard you tried.
RE:'The only candidate that supports nuclear, the only candidate for increased drilling, the only candidate paying lip service to energy independence.'
None of which he will EVER actually champion now that he has accepted the stupid fallacies that Al Gore has been peddling. Understand something here. The largest drilling company in the world is an American company and its US division is idle with nearly all of its large land rigs stacked in a storage yard. They are, on the other hand, drilling everywhere else in the world. The heap of politically motivated stupidity is now far larger than Mount Everest! How much larger must it grow before we realize that all our current leadership suffers from a terminal case of the dumbass?
John McCain does not have a clear, or reasonable or workable energy policy at hand and this is THE single most important thing an American President should be focused on right now. HE HAS NO REAL FOCUS ON ANYTHING THAT REALLY MATTERS. His focus is on becoming President and not what he will accomplish after he is elected. This is a self-defeating approach. It demonstrates that he is a piss-poor strategist. It all but ruins his chances of getting elected. He inspires no real confidence in anyone on the left, the right or the 'middle'.
RE:'Fine, just don't drone on about 'Big Rock Candy Mountain' when you are placing your hopes on the same thing.'
The only reason Senator Obama and the other left-handed wingnuts have any say in our governance is because there are enough people who really do think that those mountains are out there somewhere. Let's find out what they think after they have been thoroughly buggered. If they are too stupid to give up on those fallacies after that, this country cannot be saved anyway.
RE:'Better to give them 2 branches of government, they'll have 3 by the time they are done.'
And I am supposed to have confidence in a putative President McCain's choices for the Supreme Court? You have noticed that the current court has recently ruled in favor of Lord Albergore, the King of Green, right?
RE:'You are simply hysterical. At this point I have a lot more faith in his judgment then yours.'
I can only reiterate. You are entitled to make your own estimate and far be it from me to complain.
RE:'That is simply not true. You sir, STUPIDLY voted for the most liberal senator in congress and you want me to think that you are somehow wedded to 'conservative philosophical principals'?'
Ah, but I am not a conservative, am I? I am a true liberal. As far as I can tell, and I may well be in error here because I am NOT a 'conservative', the only attraction Senator McCain could possibly have for conservatives is his stance on abortion. A stance he shares, by the way, with Senator Harry Reid.
Here is what the Wikipedia says about Harry Reid on this issue:
'Senator Reid, reflecting a pro-life view, believes in a heavily restricted right to abortion. He stated in a 1998 National Political Awareness Test that he believed 'Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.'[10] In 1999, he voted against an amendment explicitly expressing support for Roe v. Wade.[11]
Reid has voted several times to ban what physicians call the 'intact dilation and evacuation' procedure and what abortion opponents call the 'partial-birth abortion' procedure.[12] In 2003, he supported alternate language than the act that eventually passed that would have banned all late-term abortions, while allowing exceptions for the life and health of the mother. Several polls have stated that a majority of Americans support banning 'partial birth abortion' when the pollsters describe it as such.[13][14] Reid also voted in favor of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, in favor of parental notification in the case of minors undergoing out-of-state abortions, and in favor of maintaining the ban on abortions and supplying birth control for US military personnel.[15]'
RE::'Because he has accepted the whole global warming BS as true he will surrender in the middle east and appease the terrorists who want us destroyed.... Nope doesn't make a little bit of sense.'
How much real choice will he have on Iraq given what our legislature is about to become? Do you see any sign that Senator McCain is doing anything to develop some coattail? I don't. In fact, from what I can see he has been plotting the destruction of the GOP for quite some time. The funny thing about that is that he is now hoist by his own petard.
RE:'SOME OF US HAVE TO LIVE HERE, YOU COMPLETE MORON. BLOWING UP IN 'THEIR FACES' IS THE SAME AS BLOWING UP IN OURS.'
Yes, it IS going to blow up in EVERYONE's face, including mine. I do understand that.
RE:'You are betting that the catastrophe that they cause will be so great that people will have no choice but to crawl back to the Republican party.'
Or some other party not now in existence.
RE:'Firstly the damage that they will do in the mean time will take ages to undo if you are correct.'
It will not be that much more than repairing the damage they--and the Republicans--have already done.
RE:'Secondly, and more probably you are not correct, we will be on our way down the socialism pathway like Canada and then Europe. People will be conditioned to accept less and less and the 'need' for the government to make decisions for them will grow and grow, as will the government itself.'
What will actually happen is that we will develop an underground economy that will function better than the officially sanctioned economy. I don't know if you have noticed it or not, but southern California and very large chunk of Texas basically the same thing as Mexico.
RE:'You are just plain dead wrong in your conclusions. This all or nothing mentality that you have is going to leave you with nothing.'
What you refuse to see is that we are half-stepping our way into a fascist economy while spouting or paraphrasing Marxist slogans and ideology. This is not a capitalist country anymore. The last traces of Capitalism in the US vanished while JFK was in the White House. With a functioning underground economy, we would at least be partially capitalistic. Sadly, this will lead us into the perdition of Mexico and Post-Stalinist Russia, but at least the majority of individuals will be able to maintain a modicum of freedom.
From an independent point of view, this farcical fight between two Dummercratic badly made puppets is sickening.
The Dummercratic Party, having made the worst choice humanly possible for Presidential Candidates - A WOMAN AND A BLACK MAN, have to go through this ridiculous and waste-less charade to end up with ONE.
Oh yes, having cocked-up their political credibility with the insanity of a mind-blown idiot, they have no choice but to look even bigger prats by embarking on this long drawn out debacle of depraved behaviour to end up with one dummy.
The American people will be so disgusted at this insult to the position of US President, that come November the Dummercratic candidate, presumably the black man will be politically annihilated, together with this insulting and disgusting party for many years to come.
McCain is everything a President should be - he has the experience and intelligence, he is mature, the looks and composure, his dress is immaculate, his diplomacy amongst world leaders impeccable.
He is an All-American courageous hero, decorated many times for bravery in fighting for this great nation and enduring brutal treatment in captivity, when other spineless creatures like Clinton and Bush jnr. cowardly avoided their drafts to defend America. But when in power did not mind sending thousands of other young Americans to be slaughtered or crippled.
John McCain is a perfect ready-made President and the American public will vote for him in their multi-millions. The black guy will be lucky to get 40 million votes and all those will by blind party-loyal brainless zombies. Obviously the kind of people that are attracted to such a stupid political nightmare of a rabble.
RE:'McCain is everything a President should be ... stupid political nightmare of a rabble.'
Lame.
My boots aren't high enough to protect me from how deep it's getting here!
...what president was ever everything he should be????
Take 1960: Kennedy vs. Nixon
Kennedy: rich kid from the east, crooked daddy, paved way with paid entry to ivy league, mob connections for election and news paper control in east, paved way to Congress.
Nixon: rose from poverty, went to state college, and rose to the US senate almost single-handedly. A completely self-made man.
Americans are fickle.
I am going for the long post record; so for you Obama fans this is it.
BARACK H. OBAMA
Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kansas.[2] His parents met while both were attending the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student.[3] They separated when he was two years old and later divorced.[4] After her divorce, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old.[2] He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade until his graduation from high school in 1979.[5] Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[6] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[7]
Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and New York Public Interest Research Group before moving to Chicago in 1985 to take a job as a community organizer.[8][9] He entered Harvard Law School in 1988.[10] His election in 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported.[11] Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, then returned to Chicago where he headed a voter registration drive and began writing his first book, Dreams from My Father, a memoir published in 1995.[12]
Between 1993 and 2002, Obama served on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a philanthropic organization providing grants to Chicago's disadvantaged people and communities.[13]
Obama taught constitutional law part-time at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.[14]
Obama worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 2002. After 1996, he worked at the firm only during the summer, when the Illinois Senate was not in session.[15] Obama worked on cases where the firm represented community organizers, pursued discrimination claims, and on voting rights cases. He also spent time on real estate transactions, filing incorporation papers and defending clients against minor lawsuits.[16] Mostly he drew up briefs, contracts, and other legal documents as a junior associate on legal teams.[16] Obama also did some work on taxpayer-supported building rehabilitation loans for Rezmar Corp.,[17] which is co-owned by his long-time political supporter Tony Rezko.
State legislature
Main article: Illinois Senate career of Barack Obama
Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from the 13th District, which then spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park-Kenwood south to South Shore and west to Chicago Lawn.[18] Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[19] He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[20] Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained.[20]
Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, and again in 2002.[21] In 2000, he lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.[22][23]
In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.[24] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.[25] Obama resigned from the Illinois Senate in November 2004 following his election to the US Senate.[26]
U.S. Senate campaign
See also: United States Senate election in Illinois, 2004
In mid-2002, Obama began considering a run for the U.S. Senate, enlisting political strategist David Axelrod that fall and formally announcing his candidacy in January 2003.[27] Decisions by Republican incumbent Peter Fitzgerald and his Democratic predecessor Carol Moseley Braun not to contest the race launched wide-open Democratic and Republican primary contests involving fifteen candidates.[28] Obama's candidacy was boosted by Axelrod's advertising campaign featuring images of the late Chicago Mayor Harold Washington and an endorsement by the daughter of the late Paul Simon, former U.S. Senator for Illinois.[29] He received over 52% of the vote in the March 2004 primary, emerging 29% ahead of his nearest Democratic rival.[30]
Obama's expected opponent in the general election, Republican primary winner Jack Ryan, withdrew from the race in June 2004.[31] In August 2004, with less than three months to go before election day, Alan Keyes accepted the Illinois Republican Party's nomination to replace Ryan.[32] A long-time resident of Maryland, Keyes established legal residency in Illinois with the nomination.[33] Through three televised debates, Obama and Keyes expressed opposing views on stem cell research, abortion, gun control, school vouchers, and tax cuts.[34] In the November 2004 general election, Obama received 70% of the vote to Keyes's 27%, the largest electoral victory in Illinois history.[35]
In July 2004, he wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts.[36] After describing his maternal grandfather's experiences as a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and G.I. Bill programs, Obama spoke about changing the U.S. government's economic and social priorities. He questioned the Bush administration's management of the Iraq War and highlighted America's obligations to its soldiers. Drawing examples from U.S. history, he criticized heavily partisan views of the electorate and asked Americans to find unity in diversity, saying, 'There is not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.'[37] Broadcasts of the speech by major news organizations launched Obama's status as a national political figure and boosted his campaign for U.S. Senate.[38]
U.S. Senate career
Main article: United States Senate career of Barack Obama
Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005.[39] Though a newcomer to Washington, he recruited a team of established, high-level advisers devoted to broad themes that exceeded the usual requirements of an incoming first-term senator.[40] He hired Pete Rouse, a 30-year veteran of national politics and former chief of staff to Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, as his chief of staff, and economist Karen Kornbluh, former deputy chief of staff to Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, as his policy director.[41] He recruited Samantha Power, author on human rights and genocide, and former Clinton administration officials Anthony Lake and Susan Rice as foreign policy advisers.[42]
The Senate historian lists Obama as the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history, and the third to have been popularly elected.[43] He is the only Senate member of the Congressional Black Caucus.[44] CQ Weekly, a nonpartisan publication, characterized him as a 'loyal Democrat' based on analysis of all Senate votes in 2005–2007, and the National Journal ranked him as the 'most liberal' senator based on an assessment of selected votes during 2007.[45][46] Asked about the Journal's characterization of his voting record, Obama expressed doubts about the survey's methodology, blaming 'old politics' labeling of political positions as 'conservative' or 'liberal' for creating predispositions that prevent problem-solving.[47]
Legislation
Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he cosponsored the 'Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act' introduced by Republican John McCain of Arizona.[48] He later added three amendments to the 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act', which passed the Senate in May 2006, but failed to gain majority support in the House of Representatives.[49] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[50] President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in October 2006, calling it 'an important step toward immigration reform.'[51]
Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Obama discussing the Coburn–Obama Transparency Act[52]Partnering with Republican Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and then Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. 'Lugar-Obama' expanded the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[53] The 'Coburn-Obama Transparency Act' authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine launched in December 2007 and run by the Office of Management and Budget.[54] After Illinois residents complained of waste water contamination by a neighboring nuclear plant, Obama sponsored legislation requiring plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks.[55] A compromise version of the bill was subsequently blocked by partisan disputes and later reintroduced.[56] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the 'Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act,' marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[57]
In January 2007, Obama worked with Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the 'Honest Leadership and Open Government Act,' which was signed into law in September 2007.[58] He introduced S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.[59] Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with McCain of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[60] Obama also introduced the 'Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007,' a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.[61]
Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for an official review following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[62] He sponsored the 'Iran Sanctions Enabling Act' supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and joined Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.[63][64] A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.[64] Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.[65] The legislation passed both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, but was blocked from becoming law by President Bush in October 2007.[66]
Obama and Richard Lugar visit a Russian mobile launch missile dismantling facility.[67]
Committees
Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.[68] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[69] He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.[70]
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against terrorist attacks.[71] Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, he visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that 'the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel.'[72] He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke about political corruption and ethnic rivalries.[73] The speech touched off controversy among Kenyan leaders, some formally challenging Obama's remarks as unfair and improper, others defending his positions.[74]
Presidential campaign
Barack and Michelle Obama at the Iowa caucuses This section contains information about one or more candidates in an upcoming or ongoing election.
Content may change as the election approaches.
Main article: Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008
In February 2007, standing before the Old State Capitol building in Springfield, Illinois, Obama announced his candidacy for President of the United States in the 2008 U.S. presidential election.[75] Describing his working life in Illinois, and symbolically linking his presidential campaign to Abraham Lincoln's 1858 House Divided speech, Obama said: 'That is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a house divided to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still live, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States of America.'[76] Speaking at a Democratic National Committee (DNC) meeting one week before the February announcement, Obama called for putting an end to negative campaigning.[77] Since announcing his presidential campaign Obama has emphasized ending the Iraq War, increasing energy independence, and providing universal health care as his top three priorities.[78]
Obama before making a speech in Washington, D.C.Obama's campaign raised $58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates and exceeding previous records for the first six months of any year before an election year.[79] Small donors, those contributing in increments of less than $200, accounted for $16.4 million of Obama's record-breaking total, more than any other Democratic candidate.[80] In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries.[81]
With two months remaining before the first electoral contests in Iowa and New Hampshire, and national opinion polls showing him trailing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama began directly charging his top rival with failing to clearly state her political positions.[82] Campaigning in Iowa, he told The Washington Post that as the Democratic nominee he would draw more support than Clinton from independent and Republican voters in the general election.[83]
Among the first four DNC-sanctioned state contests, Obama won more delegates than Clinton in Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina while winning an equal number in New Hampshire. On Super Tuesday, he emerged with 20 more delegates than Clinton.[84] He broke fundraising records in the first two months of 2008, raising over $90 million for his primary campaign while Clinton raised $45 million in the same period.[85] After Super Tuesday, Obama won the eleven remaining February primaries and caucuses.[86] He then won the Vermont Democratic primary and the caucus portion of the Texas primary and caucuses, but lost the Ohio, the Rhode Island by 18 percent, and Texas' primary by four percent to Clinton.[87]
In March 2008, a controversy broke out concerning Obama's 23-year relationship to his former pastor Jeremiah Wright.[88] After ABC News broadcast racially and politically charged clips from sermons by Rev. Wright,[88][89] Obama responded by condemning Wright's remarks and ending Wright's relationship with the campaign.[90] Obama delivered a speech, during the controversy, entitled 'A More Perfect Union' at the Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,[91] that addressed issues of race. After Wright reiterated some of his remarks in a speech at the National Press Club,[92] Obama strongly denounced Wright, whom he said '[presented] a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for.'[93] Obama's association with Bill Ayers was also questioned in an ABC debate. Former radical activist Bill Ayers had joined Obama on the Woods Foundation board in 1999[13] and had hosted a fundraiser for Obama in 1996[94]
During April and May 2008, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Oregon held primaries. Obama and Clinton each won several of these, with an aggregate result of Obama remaining ahead in pledged delegates after these contests; during the same period, Obama received endorsements from more superdelegates than did Clinton.[95]
Political positions
See also: Political positions of Barack Obama
On the role of government in economic affairs, Obama has written: 'We should be asking ourselves what mix of policies will lead to a dynamic free market and widespread economic security, entrepreneurial innovation and upward mobility [...] we should be guided by what works.'[96] Speaking before the National Press Club in April 2005, he defended the New Deal social welfare policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt, associating Republican proposals to establish private accounts for Social Security with social Darwinism.[97] In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Obama spoke out against government indifference to growing economic class divisions, calling on both political parties to take action to restore the social safety net for the poor.[98] Shortly before announcing his presidential campaign, Obama told the health care advocacy group Families USA that he supports universal healthcare in the United States.[99]
Obama speaking at a rally in Conway, South Carolina[100]Campaigning in New Hampshire, Obama announced an $18 billion plan for investments in early childhood education, math and science education, and expanded summer learning opportunities.[101] Obama's campaign distinguished his proposals to reward teachers for performance from traditional merit pay systems, assuring unions that changes would be pursued through the collective bargaining process.[102]
At the Tax Policy Center in September 2007, he blamed special interests for distorting the U.S. tax code.[103] His plan would eliminate taxes for senior citizens with incomes of less than $50,000 a year, repeal income tax cuts for those making over $250,000 as well as the capital gains and dividends tax cut,[104] close corporate tax loopholes, lift the $102,000 cap on Social Security taxes, restrict offshore tax havens, and simplify filing of income tax returns by pre-filling wage and bank information already collected by the IRS.[105] Announcing his presidential campaign's energy plan in October 2007, Obama proposed a cap and trade auction system to restrict carbon emissions and a 10 year program of investments in new energy sources to reduce U.S. dependence on imported oil.[106] Obama proposed that all pollution credits must be auctioned, with no grandfathering of credits for oil and gas companies, and the spending of the revenue obtained on energy development and economic transition costs.[107]
Obama was an early opponent of the Bush administration's policies on Iraq.[108] On October 2, 2002, the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War,[109] Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza,[110] speaking out against it.[111]
On March 16, 2003, the day President Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq,[112] Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd 'It's not too late' to stop the war.[113]
Obama sought to make his early public opposition to the Iraq War before it started a major issue in his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign to distinguish himself from his Democratic primary rivals who supported the resolution authorizing the Iraq War,[114] and in his 2008 U.S. Presidential campaign, to distinguish himself from four Democratic primary rivals who voted for the resolution authorizing the war (Senators Clinton, Edwards, Biden, and Dodd).[115]
Obama taking questions from a crowd in New HampshireSpeaking to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs in November 2006, Obama called for a 'phased redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq' and an opening of diplomatic dialogue with Syria and Iran.[116] In a March 2007 speech to AIPAC, a pro-Israel lobby, he said that the primary way to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons is through talks and diplomacy, although not ruling out military action.[117] Obama has indicated that he would engage in 'direct presidential diplomacy' with Iran without preconditions.[118][119][120] Detailing his strategy for fighting global terrorism in August 2007, Obama said 'it was a terrible mistake to fail to act' against a 2005 meeting of al-Qaeda leaders that U.S. intelligence had confirmed to be taking place in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas. He said that as president he would not miss a similar opportunity, even without the support of the Pakistani government.[121]
In a December 2005 Washington Post opinion column, and at the Save Darfur rally in April 2006, Obama called for more assertive action to oppose genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan.[122] He has divested $180,000 in personal holdings of Sudan-related stock, and has urged divestment from companies doing business in Iran.[123] In the July–August 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs, Obama called for an outward looking post-Iraq War foreign policy and the renewal of American military, diplomatic, and moral leadership in the world. Saying 'we can neither retreat from the world nor try to bully it into submission,' he called on Americans to 'lead the world, by deed and by example.'[124]
Obama hearing about lack of health coverage for seniors and discussing his plans for universal health care in Dayton, Ohio.Obama has encouraged Democrats to reach out to evangelicals and other religious people.[125] In December 2006, he joined Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) at the 'Global Summit on AIDS and the Church' organized by church leaders Kay and Rick Warren.[126] Together with Warren and Brownback, Obama took an HIV test, as he had done in Kenya less than four months earlier.[127] He encouraged 'others in public life to do the same' and not be ashamed of it.[128] Before the conference, 18 pro-life groups published an open letter stating, in reference to Obama's support for legal abortion: 'In the strongest possible terms, we oppose Rick Warren's decision to ignore Senator Obama's clear pro-death stance and invite him to Saddleback Church anyway.'[129] Addressing over 8,000 United Church of Christ members in June 2007, Obama challenged 'so-called leaders of the Christian Right' for being 'all too eager to exploit what divides us.'[130]
Obama made several statements in a campaign video released in October, 2007 related to defense spending and nuclear weapons. In addition to promising to end the war in Iraq, Obama stated that he will enact budget cuts in the range of tens of billions of dollars. He stated that he will stop investing in missile defense systems, that he will not weaponize space, that he will 'slow development of future combat systems,' and that he would work towards a world without nuclear weapons. To achieve this goal, Obama wishes to end development of new nuclear weapons, to reduce the current U.S. nuclear stockpile, to enact a global ban on production of fissile material, and to seek negotiations with Russia in order to take ICBMs off high alert status.[131]
Personal life
Obama playing basketball with U.S. military in Djibouti in 2006[132]Main article: Obama family
Obama grew up with his half-sister Maya Kassandra Soetoro, the daughter his mother had with her second husband. Obama also has seven other half-siblings; his father had six other sons and one daughter.[133]
Obama met his wife, Michelle Robinson, in June 1989 when he was employed as a summer associate at the Chicago law firm of Sidley Austin.[134] Assigned for three months as Obama's adviser at the firm, Robinson joined him at group social functions, but declined his initial offers to date.[135] They began dating later that summer, became engaged in 1991, and were married on October 3, 1992.[136] The couple's first daughter, Malia Ann, was born in 1998, followed by a second daughter, Natasha ('Sasha'), in 2001.[137]
Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6 million house in neighboring Kenwood.[138] The land adjacent to their house was simultaneously sold to the wife of well-connected developer, and Obama supporter, Tony Rezko, provoking continued media scrutiny of Obama and his relationship with Rezko.[139] In December 2007, Money magazine estimated the Obama family's net worth at $1.3 million.[140] Their 2007 tax return showed a household income of $4.2 million, up from about $1 million in 2006 and $1.6 million in 2005, mostly from sales of his books.[141]
Obama plays basketball, a sport he participated in as a member of his high school's varsity team.[142] Before announcing his presidential candidacy, he began a well-publicized effort to quit smoking. 'I've never been a heavy smoker,' Obama told the Chicago Tribune. 'I've quit periodically over the last several years. I've got an ironclad demand from my wife that in the stresses of the campaign I do not succumb. I've been chewing Nicorette strenuously.'[143] Replying to an Associated Press survey of 2008 presidential candidates' personal tastes, he specified 'architect' as his alternate career choice and 'chili' as his favorite meal to cook.[144] Asked to name a 'hidden talent,' Obama answered: 'I'm a pretty good poker player.'[145]
In The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes that he 'was not raised in a religious household.' He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet 'in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.' He describes his Kenyan father as 'raised a Muslim,' but a 'confirmed atheist' by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as 'a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.' In the book, Obama explains how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand 'the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.'[146] He has been a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992.[147]
Obama's first book, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, was published before his first run for political office. In it he recalls his childhood in Honolulu and Jakarta, college years in Los Angeles and New York City, and his employment as a community organizer in Chicago in the 1980s. The book's last few chapters describe his first visit to Kenya, a journey to connect with his Luo family and heritage. In the preface to the 2004 revised edition, Obama explains that he had hoped the story of his family 'might speak in some way to the fissures of race that have characterized the American experience.'[148] In a 1995 review, novelist Paul Watkins wrote that Dreams 'persuasively describes the phenomenon of belonging to two different worlds, and thus belonging to neither.'[149] The audiobook edition earned Obama the Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album of 2006.[150]
His second book, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream, was published in October 2006 and soon rose to the top of the New York Times Best Seller hardcover list.[151] The Chicago Tribune credits large crowds that gathered at book signings with influencing Obama's decision to run for president.[152] Former U.S. presidential candidate Gary Hart said the book's self-portrayal presents 'a man of relative youth yet maturity, a wise observer of the human condition, a figure who possesses perseverance and writing skills that have flashes of grandeur.'[153] Reviewer Michael Tomasky writes that it does not contain 'boldly innovative policy prescriptions that will lead the Democrats out of their wilderness,' but does show Obama's potential to 'construct a new politics that is progressive but grounded in civic traditions that speak to a wider range of Americans.'[154] In February 2008, he won a Grammy award for the spoken word edition of Audacity.[150] Foreign language editions of the book have been published in Italian, Spanish, German, French, Danish and Greek.[155] The Italian edition was published in April 2007 with a preface by Walter Veltroni,[156] former Mayor of Rome, currently leader of Italy's Democratic Party and one of Obama's earliest supporters overseas.[157]
Barack Obama is reportedly writing a children's book.[158]
Cultural and political image
Supporters and critics have likened Obama's popular image to a cultural Rorschach test, a neutral persona on whom people can project their personal histories and aspirations.[159] Obama's own stories about his family origins reinforce what a May 2004 New Yorker magazine article described as his 'everyman' image.[160] In Dreams from My Father, he ties his maternal family history to possible Native American ancestors and distant relatives of Jefferson Davis, president of the southern Confederacy during the American Civil War.[161] Speaking to Jewish audiences during his 2004 campaign for U.S. Senate, he linked the linguistic root of his East African first name Barack to the Hebrew word baruch, meaning 'blessed.'[162] In an October 2006 interview on The Oprah Winfrey Show, Obama highlighted the diversity of his extended family: 'Michelle will tell you that when we get together for Christmas or Thanksgiving, it's like a little mini-United Nations,' he said. 'I've got relatives who look like Bernie Mac, and I've got relatives who look like Margaret Thatcher. We've got it all.'[163]
With Tribal Chairman Carl Venne at Crow Indian Reservation in Montana in 2008.With his Kenyan father and American mother, his upbringing in Honolulu and Jakarta, and his Ivy League education, Obama's early life experiences differ markedly from those of African American politicians who launched their careers in the 1960s through participation in the civil rights movement.[164] In January 2007, The End of Blackness author Debra Dickerson warned against drawing favorable cultural implications from Obama's political rise: 'Lumping us all together,' Dickerson wrote in Salon, 'erases the significance of slavery and continuing racism while giving the appearance of progress.'[165] Film critic David Ehrenstein, writing in a March 2007 Los Angeles Times article, compared the cultural sources of Obama's favorable polling among whites to those of 'magical Negro' roles played by black actors in Hollywood movies.[166] Expressing puzzlement over questions about whether he is 'black enough,' Obama told an August 2007 meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists that the debate is not about his physical appearance or his record on issues of concern to black voters. Obama said, 'we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong.'[167]
Writing about Obama's political image in a March 2007 Washington Post opinion column, Eugene Robinson characterized him as 'the personification of both-and,' a messenger who rejects 'either-or' political choices, and could 'move the nation beyond the culture wars' of the 1960s.[168] Obama, who defines himself in The Audacity of Hope as 'a Democrat, after all,' has been criticized by progressive commentator David Sirota for demonstrating too much 'Senate clubbiness', and was encouraged to run for the U.S. presidency by conservative columnist George Will.[169] But in a December 2006 Wall Street Journal editorial headlined 'The Man from Nowhere,' Ronald Reagan speech writer Peggy Noonan advised Will and other 'establishment' commentators to avoid becoming too quickly excited about Obama's still early political career.[170] Echoing the inaugural address of John F. Kennedy, Obama acknowledged his youthful image, saying in an October 2007 campaign speech, 'I wouldn't be here if, time and again, the torch had not been passed to a new generation.'[171]
To going long:
NO ONE READS IT IF IT'S TOO DAMN LONG!!! seriously, put in a link if you want, but putting in lines and lines of text dosn't help.
I wouldn't read my last post either. Think I'll do one on Obamas wife next. I hear she's a star spangled beotch.
To DAN THE CONQUEROR.
Best comment so far.
GOING LONG must be a right freak, sitting on the toilet writing a book on the toilet roll. The guy must be as nutty as a fruit cake. Still, while he`s writing such monstrosities, he`s not bothering any other poor sod.
He must be employed by the Government who are noted for saying a million words where ONE would do, or a Lawyer, who does the same.
Nobody reads piles of crap like this, they just pass on to the next item.
All this kind of literary insanity does is add another wasted page to the M&C comments, a page everybody skips.
YAWN, YAWN, I`m falling asleep with boredom.
why M&C lets these long comments take up space. I agree that they should just post the website if anyone wants to read this crap and I'm pretty sure they won't. But I guess it just gives some old guy something to do.
Ok noharness, my reply to you got deleated. I am not going to waste my time again with a point by point rebuttal.
The readers digest version is at this point you have lost your mind.
It is both cowardly and stupid to wish the worst on the country in order that it might get built up in your little john birch society image. To say that 'capitalism is dead' in the USA is quite frankly one of the stupidest remarks I have heard in a long time. There are a lot of people making a lot of money. If you are not one of them the fault is yours, not the systems.
I am an American. I am loyal to this country and I want to see the best for it. I do not believe that the situation we are in can not be turned around and our place in the world cannot be sustained or even expanded upon. It will take work above and beyond pulling a lever on election day which seems to be what you are afraid of. Regardless, the idea that the country has to collapse via some Obama socialist catastrophe for Americans to do what is necessary is beyond stupid, it is crazy. Even if it happens, the world that you advocate to replace it is not one that people will embrace.
So yes, by all means, keep your crazy self home on election day.
'it's not too late to turn this country around'
????
Folks:
We have some glaring issues, but, Jesus, take a look at the rest of humanity...
WE have it pretty damn good! Most of us live at a level higher than almost every other nation on earth! We can educate ourselves, if we wish, for free! We have secure (but not impenatrable) borders, a secure nation, we can travel anywhere, without being impeded. We have one of the fairest justice systems in the world. You can walk into ANY federally funded emergency room in America and they will deal with an immediate life threatening, or crippling, condition.
We GIVE away, in entitlements, every year an average of $8000 for EVERY person under the poverty line.
NONE of our issues are unsolvable. ALL of them can be dealt with.
The end of Capitalism????
Noharr - you're not this blind...I KNOW it! If the last 25 proves ANYTHING it's that Capitalism is KING! China, Russia, the stalwarts of Communism have folded, even if it's on commerce only! Free trade and supply side economics has enegized our formerly pathetic economy of the 1960's and 70's!
Huge GDP growth! Stock markets in the 10,000's! Hell, the worlds economies are growing so fast we cannot supply them with the barriers we have to resource recovery!
YOU know this better than ANYONE!
Gloom and Doom?
Nonsense!
All of you that support McCain because he has given back to his country by serving as a pilot and spent time as a POW, really need to read and study his record in regards to those he pretends to support, namely the veteran. His voting record just does not support what he is saying:
1. On Jim Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.
2. Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.
3. On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.
4. In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.
5. In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.
6. In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.
Typical right wing story teller. Supposedly a Maverick but falls right in line when the Republicant's snap their fingers. Don't be fooled by this man, while we all owe him a bigh 'thank-you' for his service to this country, we do not owe the country anything by electing GWB to a 3rd term.
I'm voting for McCain. I'm totally disgusted by Obama and his three spiritual advisors.
James Meeks - hates gays
Jeremiah Wright - hates white people
Michael Pfleger - hates women and white people
Way to go Obama - 3 for 3.
McCain is a Republican it's true but at this point I'll vote just to have a Rebublican in the White House and a Democratic Congress and hope they cancel each other out.
Plus it was all Republican appointees who upheld gay marriage in California so you really never know.
Obama has a split personality and a lot of unconsious hatred. He makes me want to puke. He's sick.
''it's not too late to turn this country around'
????
Folks:
We have some glaring issues, but, Jesus, take a look at the rest of humanity...'
Yes, but we have serious issues that won't be fixed by ignoring them.
'1. On Jim Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.'
Jim Webbs bill is fundamentally flawed in that it gives every one the same benefits regardless of their length of service. McCains bill is actually moire generous to those ho have been in longer and who didn't have college educations to begin with.
'Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.'
In case you haven't heard we are fighting 2 wars. McCain has 2 sons fighting in them, I think he realizes what is going on.
3-6
He has voted no on a supplementals that were full of pork, he has later voted yes to the same or similar provisions that weren't full of wasteful spending.
To say McCain is anti-veteran is the biggest lie that I have seen on this board yet, and there have been some pretty gigantic lies here...
Webb is an a**hole by the way... trust me on that one.
The dems can pass this stuff anytime they want. They HAVE the majority.
Why won't they?
RE:'Ok noharness, my reply to you got deleted.'
As was the reply I made to that message. I gather you never saw my reply.
RE:'I am not going to waste my time again with a point by point rebuttal.'
Okay.
RE:'The readers digest version is at this point you have lost your mind.
It is both cowardly and stupid to wish the worst on the country in order that it might get built up in your little john birch society image.'
I had to go and look up who John Birch was. Here is what I found:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_%28missionary%29
Not such a bad guy, huh? He was a bigger and more successful hero than Senator McCain.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
Quoting the Wikipedia:'Anti-Jewish, racist, anti-Mormon, anti-Masonic, and religious groups criticized the group's acceptance of Jews, nonwhites, Masons, the large number of Mormons in the Society (Ezra Taft Benson, a leader in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, encouraged people to join it), and Welch's alleged feminist, ecumenical, and evolutionary ideas. [10]'
They sound like big bunch of really bad, bad guys, don't they? Did you know that William F. Buckley was a member of the John Birch Society? I didn't.
RE:'To say that 'capitalism is dead' in the USA is quite frankly one of the stupidest remarks I have heard in a long time. There are a lot of people making a lot of money. If you are not one of them the fault is yours, not the systems.'
Clearly, you don't know what Capitalism is, or you would realize that we are living in a Mercantilist system, not a Capitalist system. Check the facts, Bubba. Capitalism is graveyard dead. Buried during the early sixties.
RE:'I am an American.'
As am I.
RE:'I am loyal to this country and I want to see the best for it.'
As do I.
RE:'I do not believe that the situation we are in can not be turned around and our place in the world cannot be sustained or even expanded upon.'
I do.
RE:'It will take work above and beyond pulling a lever on election day which seems to be what you are afraid of.'
I agree.
RE:'Regardless, the idea that the country has to collapse via some Obama socialist catastrophe for Americans to do what is necessary is beyond stupid, it is crazy.'
Check the headlines, Bubba. Have you ever seen things as crazy as they are today? I haven't. Have you ever seen as many stupidly power-hungry and irresponsible people as we have in our government? I haven't. Allowing them to self-destruct seems the most efficient strategy for getting rid of them.
RE:'Even if it happens, the world that you advocate to replace it is not one that people will embrace.'
But they ARE embracing it already, Bubba. We are being slowly poisoned. More to the point, Senator Obama is very likely going to win in November by a landslide.
RE:'So yes, by all means, keep your crazy self home on election day.'
I never said I was going to stay home, remember? I said that the majority of Republicans are LIKELY to stay home or vote for Bob Barr. Why? Because the majority of us despise Senator McCain's behavior, his tactics and his unfortunate notions of strategic thinking.
I understand your comment in regard to the bill being 'flawed'. My question on this point is that for 6 years the republicans had total control and they did not do anything to help the Veteran's, why? McCain's bill is not actually 'more generous' it is only 'more generous' to those who 're-up' so the only way to gain anything is to spend more time in the military??? How is that 'more generous'?
Of course I have heard we are fighting 2 wars, but you seem to forget that Jim Webb also has a son fighting in Iraq, so I would think that Mr. Webb 'knows what is going on'.
The old McCain was probably one of the veterans best friends. Now he has had to completely move from his stance on most issues, as he needs to try and bring the base of his party out to vote, so I think your comments in this regard are jaded as he is your horse in the race.
And finally, is Jim Webb an a**hole because he had a different point of view that you? Kind of petty don't you think?
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