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Clinton expects victory in Puerto Rico after rules defeat (1st Lead)
Jun 1, 2008, 18:54 GMT
Washington - Hillary Clinton was spending Sunday in Puerto Rico, where she expects voters to deliver one of her final victories after suffering a blow in an internal party squabble on Saturday.
Senator Clinton, 60, was expected to win 55 per cent of Democratic presidential preference voters on the Caribbean island that is a US territory, against a projected 42 per cent for rival and front-runner Barack Obama, 46.
But even winning all 86 delegate votes up for grabs in Puerto Rico Sunday and in Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday would not put Clinton over the cut-off point of 2,118 delegates - the new total set Saturday in an action by the rules panel of the Democratic National Committee.
Obama would have to sweep a large number - about 68 delegates - by Tuesday to make the mark, also deemed unlikely by analysts.
That means the final nomination rests in the hands of about 170 undecided high-profile Democrats, the so-called super delegates, who were the target of high-decibel pitches on Sunday's telecast talk shows.
Clinton supporters argued that the former first lady has won 17 million votes of an estimated 35 million cast during the five-month primary contest, and that the remaining super delegates will support her because she's the most electable.
According to an average of polls taken by realclearpolitics.com, Clinton would beat Republican nominee John McCain by 1.8 per cent in November's general elections, while Obama's victory would be much narrower, at 0.7 per cent - a strength her strategists say indicates her strong standing among women, blue-collar workers and Hispanic voters.
'We've won the popular vote - more votes than anyone else in the history of primaries,' said Howard Wolfson, a top Clinton strategist, on Fox News.
Obama's supporters charged that Clinton's calculation of 17 million excluded the caucus voters in states where the African- American candidate clinched the lion's share of delegates.
They also argued that super delegates must support his large base won in the formal party procedures, and that if they failed to support him, the African-American vote would drop away for Democrats.
The possibility of a joint ticket with Obama in the presidential slot and Clinton as his vice has been raised by several Obama supporters in recent days, including Florida Congressman Robert Wexler.
It's unclear what Clinton will do between now and the end of June. That's the deadline set by Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman Howard Dean and top Democratic figures in Congress for a decision by super delegates.
They are anxious about losing any more time against McCain.
Meanwhile, Clinton supporters have vowed to challenge some of the outcomes of the DNC rules committee meeting on Saturday - a move that would extend the contest until the August 25-28 Democratic nominating convention in Denver, Colorado.
Whatever the outcome, Dean said whoever comes out the loser in the bitterly fought Democratic race has a lot of power.
'The key to (winning the White House) will be in the hands of the person who gets 49 per cent,' he said.
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Ya think Texas will go Obama? Not unless an asteroid hits and miraculously spares Austin.
Aw, hell, who knows what will happen here in Texas. I don't expect our newly acquired citizens to just sit on their asses during this election. They're really good at faking documents and big chunks of Texas are still Democrat strongholds. Guess what, Democrat poll judges ain't perzactly fussy when lookin' at some forms of ID. You ever here of George Parr, the Duke of Duval County? He's dead, but his ghost and his minions are still around.
I cain't believe that you don't like the idea of a McClainton ticket. I mean, that really would sew it up for our semi-gooper nominee, now wouldn't it?
'They're really good at faking documents and big chunks of Texas are still Democrat strongholds. Guess what, Democrat poll judges ain't perzactly fussy when lookin' at some forms of ID.'
Maybe all the bubbas should have gotten off their rears and fixed the problem instead of waiting for government to do it for them? Maybe they should have rolled up their sleeves and demanded a little accountability instead of rooting for the problem to become so bad it pulls the country under.
That's not how my 'ol daddy taught me bubba... Guess where he was from.
Maybe some of you are all hat and no horse.
'I mean, that really would sew it up for our semi-gooper nominee, now wouldn't it?'
Nope. It would not.
RE:'Maybe all the bubbas should have gotten off their rears and fixed the problem instead of waiting for government to do it for them? Maybe they should have rolled up their sleeves and demanded a little accountability instead of rooting for the problem to become so bad it pulls the country under.'
And cut of the supply of all that cheap labor? Have you lost your pea-pickin' little mind, Bubba? I mean, ya gotta remember who and what we are up against down here.
Hell, I don't have a clue about where your dad was from. You're in New York. That's a pretty darned cosmopolitan place.
I jest cain't believe that you don't like the idea of McClainton Ticket. How could that fail to work? Stop all that knee-jerk schtuff for a minute and let the big head do the thinkin'! John McCain's strong suit is foreign and military affairs. He NEEDS a domestic expert. You know, somebody to decide how big of a house we can live, which doctor we ought to go see, how much of our pay we ought to be allowed to keep, all that kind of thing ain't the sort of stuff Unka John wonts to fiddle with. He needs a woman to organize national household. Women are experts at that stuff and Hillary, I know it's hard to tell sometimes, is a REAL WOMAN.
'And cut of the supply of all that cheap labor? Have you lost your pea-pickin' little mind, Bubba? I mean, ya gotta remember who and what we are up against down here. '
Well you made your choice then, live with it.
'Hell, I don't have a clue about where your dad was from.'
Where the stars at night are big and bright and a kid had to pick cotton to feed his self and that ain't no lie bubba. Some grit, a few medals and the gol dern socialist GI bill 'n pappy done did his self good enough to gut an MBA an a CPA an a CEO so he could get his self a bran new pair of fancy pin stripe overalls.
'You're in New York. That's a pretty darned cosmopolitan place. '
Sure, Your countryside smells like manure my subway smells like pee. yee haw.
'He NEEDS a domestic expert.'
You know what bubba, even though she is a shrill pandering liar, when her husband was president we were running surpluses instead of a 10 trillion dollar debt.
'He NEEDS a domestic expert. You know, somebody to decide how big of a house we can live, which doctor we ought to go see, how much of our pay we ought to be allowed to keep, all that kind of thing ain't the sort of stuff Unka John wonts to fiddle with '
You go ahead and elect Barack then, He will give you PLENTY of choices. By the time he is through maybe we will all be picking cotton to feed ourselves. But hey, that is 'true capitalism', eh?
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NoharnessJun 1st, 2008 - 21:40:33
Quoting the article:' The possibility of a joint ticket with Obama in the presidential slot and Clinton as his vice has been raised by several Obama supporters in recent days, including Florida Congressman Robert Wexler.'
Naw, that ain't gonna happen. The Demmies are going to nominate Obama. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want the Billary in the White House. This, of course, is going to cheese the Billary off to no end. Nearly all of her voters will go to John 'Trick Dick' McCain, so what's an overweeningly ambitions girl like Hillary ta do, huh? Why, she'll go see her old buddy who's already an honorary Democrat and join HIS campaign. After all, he ain't picked a runnin' mate yet. He'd be happy ta have her. Stop and think about it! They are NOT that far apart on the issues and lettin' the US turn into the Obama-rama is just unthinkable, now ain't it?
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