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Last Democratic primaries under way in South Dakota, Montana
Jun 3, 2008, 11:50 GMT
Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Senator Barack Obama speaks at the Mapleton Expeditionary Scool of the Arts in Thorton, Colorado 28 May 2008. EPA/RICK GIASE
Washington - The five-month Democratic presidential primary race between senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama reached the final stretch Tuesday as polls opened in South Dakota and Montana.
Opinion polls place Obama in the lead in both states.
First results were expected early Wednesday after polls close at 0100 GMT.
US media reported that Obama could declare himself the winner in the battle to become the Democratic Party's presidential candidate to go up against Republican John McCain.
Obama believes that immediately after the polls close, many of the so-called 'super delegates' will announce their support for him so that he can be certain of securing the necessary 2,118 delegates to win the party nomination.
Obama would be the first black presidential candidate in US history.
It is unclear what Clinton will do. She lags behind Obama and is almost certain not to gain enough delegate votes to win.
US media have speculated that she is ready to throw in the towel as she has recalled her staffers to New York and said that she plans to make an announcement on polling night.
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For those of you who cannot bear the thought of voting for Senator Obama, and for those who cannot bear the thought of voting for Senator McCain, here's a great alternative:
//reason.com/blog/show/126805.html
Too bad Bob Barr hasn't got a chance in hell of winning the election. I'd vote for him if I thought he did. Sadly, there's no real choice besides Obama. We must endure the unendurable and cope with the unthinkable. Thus spake Zarathustra.
for Obama is a vote for racism, lies and deception. The only real choice is a write in candidate, or nothing.
Hillary: 'LOOK...!...LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!....YOU DICKBRAIN!...!'
Bill'...AW HONEY!...YOU WE'RE S'POSEDT'BEAT IM!...THAT'S WHAT WE GOT IM FOR!'
Judah Ben Hur for President, 2012!From the American Republic!
I watched parts of the Liberartian convention on cspan. Most of them are on the right track, but you are correct that Barr's campaign is doomed to fail. Mostly because Americans have fallen into the trap of believing in the sacredness of a two party system that doesn't represent the people a whole lot better than a one party system. Our democracy would probably serve the people more responsibly if there were three or four main parties, not just two, but Americans are content with just two.
As to enduring the unendurable that's what we have been doing during the Bush admin, so the Americans at least demonsrate the patience to endure.
..who cares? the dem candidates are identical except for sex and skin color.
Nothinng meaningful has happend here.
Wow, you are one extremley racist/sexist bastard, please, do the world a favor, KILL YOURSELF!!!
I wouldn't go quite that far. But he's frustrating as hell. Do away with one president altogether and have a small board, so no one person would have so much authority. Wouldn't that plus the congress be a hoot?
They have been saying that since 1777.
RE:'I watched parts of the Liberartian convention on cspan. Most of them are on the right track, but you are correct that Barr's campaign is doomed to fail. Mostly because Americans have fallen into the trap of believing in the sacredness of a two party system that doesn't represent the people a whole lot better than a one party system. Our democracy would probably serve the people more responsibly if there were three or four main parties, not just two, but Americans are content with just two.
As to enduring the unendurable that's what we have been doing during the Bush admin, so the Americans at least demonsrate the patience to endure.'
If you look at the history of third party efforts in political history of the United States, you will discover that most of them have been absorbed into one or the other of the major parties because one or the other of the major parties quickly recognized the threat to its continued existence. The mechanism used to absorb the third parties by the major parties has been, for the most part, one or the other of the major parties taking up the third parties' causes.
The Libertarian Party has been an exception because in its early years the Libertarians insisted that government itself was unnecessary and that it was their intention to dismantle it upon gaining power. That is not the position of the Libertarian Party of the day--at least not among the majority of Libertarians. Still, the Libertarians really do still mistrust our government and our governors and maintain a more than healthy scepticism of government being the first solution to anything.
Ordinary politicians in the major parties see this attitude as a threat. After all, if the politician cannot find a way to present himself to his constituents as having a solution to their problems, what good is he to them? By what means will he justify the taxes they are required to pay or the regulations our sundry governments demand that they obey.
Just as importantly, of what use is the Libertarian politician to a citizen seeking help from his governors? Not much.
Given these kinds of difficulties, it is hard for me to see how the Libertarian Party hopes to ever have enough votes obtain power. The phrase, 'libertarian power' is something of an oxymoron anyway. Worse for the Libertarians, the Republicans have a marked tendency to absorb and use Libertarian ideas without ever fully following through on them.
Annoying, I know, but it is how things are.
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NoharnessJun 3rd, 2008 - 11:58:25
RE:' It is unclear what Clinton will do. She lags behind Obama and is almost certain not to gain enough delegate votes to win.'
She SHOULD go see Unka John McCain. He'll take her under his wing in the name of bipartisanship. Just think, folks! It makes perfect since. We could have a McClainton Ticket!
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