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Senate ends landmark debate on climate bill
Jun 6, 2008, 18:49 GMT
Washington - Talks on a first-ever climate change bill were effectively quashed in the US Senate Friday as Democrats failed in an effort to bring the legislation to a vote.
The Climate Security Act, which would have introduced a cap-and- trade system and imposed limits on greenhouse-gas emissions blamed for global warming, has been the subject of a contentious debate among legislators since Monday.
Republicans strongly opposed the bill on the grounds that it would raise already surging petrol prices in the United States, and regularly obstructed discussions with a series of procedural measures throughout the week. On Wednesday, they forced a full reading of the 492-page bill, which took about 10 hours.
The Senate voted 48-36 Friday to end debate on the legislation and bring it to a vote, falling short of the 60 votes needed.
Democrats put on a brave face following the vote, saying the groundwork had been laid for the legislation to come up in a more friendly climate in 2009.
Few supporters had expected the climate bill to pass this year. President George W Bush, who opposes mandatory limits on greenhouse- gas emissions, had threatened to veto the initiative should it make it to his desk.
Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain both support cap-and-trade efforts. Environmental groups, which mostly approved of the bill, are hoping for better results next year.
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The democrats really held the line on this one.
The fun part was watching Senator Boxer vainly seeking support for this Seven Trillion Dollar Monster. If I were a green-weenie I would not have been able to work up any enthusiasm for this thing. It promised two things as a certainty. First, its cost was badly underestimated. Second, it was going to make Al Gore as rich as Warren Buffet.
And how exactly would it make Al Gore rich ?Smear,mud,everything is allowed apparently except coming up with pertinent arguments .This is how the republicans debate over such a serious issue as climate change .
Not afraid to cover themselves with ridicule of course,and not a decent republican anywhere to condemn these smear campaigns .what happened to rational debate?Having no talent for science the issue is degraded to mudslinging .I hope the majority of the american electorate will get fed up with this way of discussing and send those responsible for such shameful attitude to te dustbins of history.
RE:'And how exactly would it make Al Gore rich ?'
As your French neighbor, a green socialist neighbor, I might add, pointed out, Albert Gore is heavily involved in setting up these cap and trade markets, Tonny.
RE:'Smear,mud,everything is allowed apparently except coming up with pertinent arguments .'
Oh, there have been gigabytes of pertinent arguments presented against this stupidity and they will continue. You are not one to cry about the mudslinging or distortions of the truth because it is one of your favorite pastimes.
RE:'This is how the republicans debate over such a serious issue as climate change .'
You say this about any every argument against your foolishness, so again, you present a complaint of little weight.
..it was dems who let this slide. They are leading Congress, and, in the blink of an eye, they whacked it. The republicans, correctly, fought this attempt to pass a hidden tax onto every American.
What a sham.
The President of the Czech republic has invited Al Gore to debate Global Warming....has anyone seen if he took the bait?
'yeeeees...this is th Presidint....oh!...Heloo Seantah Reid!...hoow ya doin Hirrah?....nooo!...doin reel good boyh!...married off mah daughtah!...hopefully n' moore boozin an party'in...one left ta goo...god help us Hirrah....nooo...gittin ta Crawferd moore oftin....coffah with muthu sheehan...ol Dick bah m' sahde with his skattah guun....a little golf...veetoo'in sum o thim stinky bills ya sent up...ya knoow th drill boyh....reel lame duck stuff...'
yeeees...ah saw y' pulled theee tree huggin legislation.....nooo..do make no mind t' meee....th globe ain't gooonna warm t' much betweeen noow an th tahme ah leeve office....boyh....haell..ah'd a sahned it!...jes kiddin boyh...heh, heh, heh....hael noo!'
'Aw Hirrah....quit ya crahin Hirrah.....fer god sakes boyh...it's a joke son.......ya reeelee need t git out mer oftin.....haell boyh!.....ya couldn't evin git yur own posse t' back this lemon.....ah meee jeesusah ceerahst boyh, thim liberals jes love this kinda stuff...well...until it lands on thire turf...heh, heh, heh...knoow what ah meen boyh!....heck, thim senatahs o' yurs gotta eat, rahght?'
'N' Hirrah....quit ya sobbin, hav a drink, throw thim darts at mah picturah on thit wall o yurs an listin......ya git ol Al Gore t' come up t' th hill...trot out som o thim skinny AFracins or sumpin, and cow thimm ol liberals inta passin this mess...an ah'll hep ya too boyh...booze, broads and bucks, hirry....ah'll evin entertain th speakah of th Hooouse fer ya boyh...nooo!...mah pleasah!...she's th boney tahpe but she's pretty good lookin fer a gal her age, an ah think it's tahme fer Daddah t' take a little rahde, knoow what ah meen...in the Kennedy room!? ...Haell boyh, hoow d' ya think ah git all this legislation passed all thim yeahs...boyh...fer god sakes..!if'n ah could git her t' jes shuddup, ah'd propose!...jes kiddin....'
'well Hirrah...gotta run boyh...say heloo t thit colored fella who beat thit bowlwgged wahfe o Bills...man Hirrah...ya reelly dodged a bullet thire, eh?....tell im ah'll leave th winnah theese salmon flavoored cee gars unda th desk in thit humidoah President Clinton had unda thire...reel compfortin...fer sum reesun....cin't figyah ooout whah...'
And of course the local neocon noharnes and SP4 only pile up more mud ,not able to prove anything,not even needing a shadow of evidence .What a sad way of conducting politics:failing to deliver either scientific evidence they inevitably fall back on mudslinging .Is that it ?
Now dear noherring and dear SP4 would you like to share your deepest thoughts on the work and expertise of the IPCC and the rest of the global international scientists .Make sure to share with us how foolish the world is,your congress,even your president,your universities,Nasa,Natiuonal Geographic,ll the european governments,minus one,all the african leaders,the Chinese,the Indian government,the Australian government,all the organisations are of course stupide for failing to recognize the golden thougts that emanate from your brilliant spirits,such as global warming is a swindle,organised by Al Gore,only you two and a few others are too bright to believe all that...right ?
Now dear noherring and dear SP4 would you like to share your deepest thoughts on the work and expertise of the IPCC and the rest of the global international scientists .
sp4 - yes, scientific discovery is not by consensus. It is by collaboration, but peer review is crucial. It is peer review that has failed the public.
Make sure to share with us how foolish the world is,your congress,
sp4 - I think we just heard how much congress thinks of this..don't you read...? Interesting too, becuause lots of these folks have a lot to gain, politcally, by backing it. What does THAT tell you...?
even your president,
sp4 - nope, DEFINITELY not! Bush may not be a great thinker, but he is a clear thinker. Curiously, he had nothing to do with sinking this...in America anyway..it was the DEMS! THEY run Congress now!
...your universities,
lots of dissent there too! One only has to look to Oregon, where the State Meteorologist was persecuted by the facist Governor of the state for dissenting on this pseudoscience.
NASA
sp4 - and here is the sterling example, the holy grail of f--ked up, biased, prejudical libnazi mismanagement, who f--ked up (if it was even THAT!) the simplest of calculations, denyed satellite data perturbed by angle, hid critical data collection info from the third world, etc.
Natiuonal Geographic, -
sp4 - oh god, not them! Golly..who knew! Runby the environazi coalition, biasing every article, buying this mess lock, stock and barrel, while knowing full well all of it's shortcomings.
ll the european governments,
not all...and more defecting every day...the Czechs, the Italians...secretly, the Germans, the French....and others who have not said but got Bush to kill Kyoto for them, so they could wax on about a NEW agreement, that they do not have a chance in hell of meeting...
minus one,all the african leaders,the Chinese,the Indian government,the Australian government(sp4, most of S. America, half of the Africans)...all the organisations are of course stupide for failing to recognize
sp4 - yep, not a brain in anyone's head but Al Gore (NOT a scientist by the way...never invented the Internet either!)
the golden thoughts that emanate from your brilliant spirits,such as global warming is a swindle,organised by Al Gore,only you two and a few others are too bright to believe all that...right ?
sp4 - in a word...
Yes.
We are not buying the snake oil, the shell game, the swindle, and half the world is not buying it either. India, China, Russia, most of S. America, most of Africa the Czech's...now, the USA!
Face it Tonny...each day we peel back the onion layer and it stnks just a little more...faulty data collection, fudged numbers....propagandists posing as scientists debunked....it's all being falling like . Hopefully, science will do it's job, although, the prejudice in the scietific community is actually worse than most imagine.
Gore, a national disgrace for pimping this for the most selfish reason of his career needing building...the Nobel committee, who abandoned science for politics, giving this lemon a 'peace' prize, passing over countless others who are trying to free themselves from Tyranny in Myanmar, Zimbabwe, the Middle East, China, etc. Shame on them. I will never take them seriously again.
And you, of all people, Tonny, buying into this sham, when there are glaring human tragedies RIGHT NOW in the (Belgian) Congo...45,000 dead per MONTH!...Darfur...the Middle East....and you focus on this sham.
..it was the democrats who killed it.
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SP4: what a lieJun 6th, 2008 - 19:14:10
It was DEMS who defeated it! Dems from Michigan, Ohio, and about 6 other states! They computed the cost, and so did their lobbies and said to kill it.
Guess who is FOR this crap...
JOHN mCCain!
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