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Obama “Pretends” on Iraq
Peter Wehner -
Senator Obama’s speech on Tuesday in St. Paul, when he finally locked up the Democratic presidential nomination, was typical: rhetorically powerful, well-delivered, with some clever and well-constructed lines. But when you examine the substance of what he said, the speech breaks down. Some of his claims are questionable and misleading; others are ill-informed; and still others border on being intellectually dishonest. Obama’s statement on Iraq are particularly revealing.
According to Obama:
I won’t stand here and pretend that there are many good options left in Iraq.
In fact, Obama doesn’t have to “pretend” there are many good options left in Iraq. There is one obvious good option: to continue policies that are manifestly succeeding and qualify as one of the most impressive military turnabouts in our history. According to yesterday’s operational update by Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner,
...Security incidents in Iraq are at the lowest levels in four years. These numbers reflect fewer attacks on Iraqi civilians, fewer attacks on Iraqi and Coalition Forces, and fewer attacks on the Government’s infrastructure. These security gains follow the coordinated offensive operations over the past year, and the recent security operations in Baghdad, Mosul, and Basra.
The security progress we’ve making is now translating into encouraging progress on the political and economic fronts as well. There is no question, then, that Iraq, which remains in many ways a broken and splintered country, has made enormous strides. It is virtually beyond dispute that the “surge” strategy endorsed by President Bush (and opposed by Senator Obama) is working, and working better and faster than anyone could have imagined just a year ago.
In his speech Obama also stated:
We must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in - but start leaving we must.
Keep in mind that in his February 2007 speech announcing his bid for the presidency, Obama declared, “It’s time to start bringing our troops home. That’s why I have a plan that will bring our combat troops home by March of 2008.” In May, Obama voted against funding for combat operations. And in September, a mere three months after the final elements of the 30,000-strong surge forces had landed in Iraq, he declared that the moment had arrived to remove all of our combat troops “immediately.” “Not in six months or one year–now.”
Obama’s position, then, is the embodiment of carelessness in “getting out of Iraq,” and if he had his way, the progress we have seen would not have come to pass and Iraq would almost certainly be in a death spiral rather than on the (long and difficult) road to recovery.
As for Obama’s statement that “start leaving we must”: perhaps Obama is unaware that when he testified before the Congress two months ago, General Petraeus announced that he was recommending that we withdraw five brigade combat teams (more than a quarter of our total number of combat troops) from Iraq - or that this week, the fourth of five Brigade Combat Teams are returning home, including two Marine battalions and a Marine Expeditionary Unit which have already returned home.
Senator Obama also said this on Tuesday:
It’s time for Iraqis to take responsibility for their future.
Perhaps Senator Obama is unaware of that, in the words of the New York Times (from May 12), “Basra has been transformed by its own surge . . . forces loyal to Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki have largely quieted the city, to the initial surprise and growing delight of many inhabitants who only a month ago shuddered under deadly clashes between Iraqi troops and Shiite militia.” The principal factor for the success we’ve seen in Basra is the deployment of 33,000 members of the Iraqi Security Forces. And while we shared intelligence, helped the Iraqis in planning the operation and provided overhead reconnaissance, it was “totally Iraq planned, led and executed,” according to the U.S. military.
Perhaps Senator Obama is unaware, too, of the progress that’s been made in Sadr City. On May 21 the New York Times put it this way:
Iraqi forces rolled unopposed through the huge Shiite enclave of Sadr City on Tuesday, a dramatic turnaround from the bitter fighting that has plagued the Baghdad neighborhood for two months, and a qualified success for Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki. As it did in the southern city of Basra last month, the Iraqi government advanced its goal of establishing sovereignty and curtailing the powers of the militia.
It’s also likely, I suppose, that Senator Obama is unaware of the progress that’s being made in Mosul, the last urban bastion of al Qaeda in Iraq. According to the Times
The recent successes in quieting violence in Basra and Sadr City appear to be stretching to the long-rebellious Sunni Arab district here in Mosul, raising hopes that the Iraqi Army may soon have tenuous control over all three of Iraq’s major cities.
Senator Obama also appears to be wholly unaware of the political reconciliation and legislative progress we’ve seen in recent months, including the Iraqi parliament passing key laws having to do with provincial elections, the distribution of resources, amnesty, pensions, investment, and de-Ba’athification.
Also in his speech, Senator Obama said:
It’s time to refocus our efforts on al Qaeda’s leadership
Perhaps during his busy campaigning Obama isn’t aware of the fact that al Qaeda is in the process of losing the hearts and minds of the Islamic and Arab world. Beginning late last year key figures in the jihadist movement–including Sheikh Abd Al-‘Aziz bin Abdallah Aal Al-Sheikh, the highest religious authority in Saudi Arabia; Sheikh Salman al-Awdah, an influential Saudi cleric whom bin Laden once lionized; and Sayyid Imam al-Sharif (”Dr. Fadl”), once a mentor to Ayman al-Zawahiri and a legend within the global jihadist movement– turned against al Qaeda and their brutal tactics.
In addition, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden, in a meeting with the Washington Post last week, portrayed al Qaeda as badly weakened in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive in much of the rest of the world. Al Qaeda’s core leadership has been destabilized and it has lost its ability to exploit the Iraq war to recruit adherents. “You are not going to hear me say that al Qaeda is defeated,” the ever-cautious U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, said on Saturday, “but they’ve never been closer to defeat than they are now.”
We know, too, that according to a report from the Pew Global Attitudes Project, “large and growing numbers of Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere [are] rejecting Islamic extremism.” We are also seeing large drops in support for Osama bin Laden.
The idea that we would hurt al Qaeda by losing in Iraq, which would be the outcome of Obama’s policy, is profoundly confused and, if it were to be implemented, terribly dangerous.
Abridged
commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/9931
The Art of Ostracism [Victor Davis Hanson]
There are two disturbing—and now predictable—patterns to Obama's serial distancing from prior intimates. First, the post facto embarrassment is personalized in terms of 'I' and 'me,' as if a Wright or Rezko is somehow doing something out of character aimed at Obama, rather than persisting in entirely predictable behavior that offends society at large. Thus in reaction to the racist Wright, we get 'That's a show of disrespect to me,' while Pfleger's venom prompts, 'I am deeply disappointed in Father's Pfleger.' But the issue is racial hatred, not a matter of pleasing or respecting Obama himself.
The second reaction is a sort of amnesia: So suddenly the past benefactor Rezo has radically changed with his indictment: 'That isn't the Tony Rezko I knew'. And after Rev. Wright himself confirmed that his hatred once labeled as 'snippets' and 'loops' was, in fact, representative of his world view, Obama pivoted with 'Well, I may not know him as well as I thought.'
The truth?
Obama has required a vocabulary of needed ostracism, as he insidiously sheds most of his prior life and environment of the last twenty years. Wright, Moss, Pfleger, Ayers, Rezo, etc. are all figures that have to be 'disavowed' or, better, Trostkyized in some fashion. The method apparently is to suggest that they, not Obama, have suddenly changed (when, in truth, they, not Obama, have remained entirely consistent) and are now out to hurt or embarrass Obama (when, again, they are surprised that their longtime predictable behavior is suddenly producing different results).
Like many of his prior positions on the Middle East, Iran, guns, abortion, taxes, the war, etc. Obama must metamorphosize from a hard-core Chicago racial leftwing activist, into a liberal idealist who transcends politics.
Will it work? Two things are in his favor. One, his message is messianic ('this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal'), and the devoted not only don't want to know of their prophet's mortal lapses, but like all devotees will turn in anger on those who remind them of such mortality. Second, many of these bombs have been exploded in the primaries, months before the election. Even in Chicago, there are only so many Rezkos and Wrights.
I see the lunatic poster is back ,hoping that some of the mud he throws will stick.A remnnant of the smear campaign tactics that was used against Edwards most succesfuly with the siftboat campaign .Now we are facing an attack against obama ,equating him with islam terrorism and of course embezzlement .What a vile tactics,what a gross insult to the principles of democracy .With nothing positive to defend go for the smear campaign ,as ridiculous as possible .
This is the best way of killing democracy .
Can we hope that some day the american electorate will grow weary of this kind of politics and focus on those matters that are real ,like the poor state of health care,even for those that have access to it,the sorry state of education,the terible loss of prestige your country has suffered worldwide as the result of the invasion of Iraq on false reasons and a lot more .
Of course none of the above smear holds any reality in it ,it is meant only to distract you from the real issues.
Edwards, to my knowledge, was never on a swift boat. Kerry was, or purported to be. He also claimed to have witnessed atrocities he never witnessed, etc.
We see this all the time in politics, a myth perpetrated to get from point A to point B. The Clintons were the gold standard for this lying as SOP i.e. Bill riding on de-segregated buses in Little Rock, or Hirrary's landing in KKosovo under sniper fire, and of course Bill never having sex with that girl (which one?!)
Unfortnately, the Internet makes lying, in public, almost impossible because, like Bill Clinton found out someone always has a vid cam and you can replay it over, and over and over.
Obama has a record, abeit a limited one, and has some glaring inconsistancies (Tony'the knife'Rezko, connections to Big Coal)and folks are going to have conversations about them. He was spared this in the gossamer world of dem libnazi politics, a simple popularity contest about race and gender, but now he is going to have to defend the real meat of his candidacy.
He is very bright and makes good moves. He is running against a type of candidate who never really does very well in these types of campaigns so I give him a 2 out of 3 chance. It is his to lose.
Relax, Tonny, this will take some time.
I have no doubt that during the next several months the desperate neocon artists will become even more rabid in their venomous attacks on everyone opposed to their disasterous foreign policies. Their main focus is to instill
fear, and perpetrate paranoia, in hope to delude Americans into continuing to support them. They preach the paranoia of 'don't you know what will happen' if we change directions, etc. Their strategy of throwing everything into Iraq reminds me of the duck and cover days in the early 1960's. The politians pretend to protect us with strategy that simply does not work.
It would be very unwise for them to underestimate the level of dissatifaction among real Americans, resulting from the past years of neocon lies, deceptions, delusions, and the failure to keep on tract with the pursuit of osama bin laden and al qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, wisdom is an attribute that most all neocons surely lack.
They can only resort to visceral, verbal attacks of those who question their ill-conceived, mis directed, and failed strategy of imperial conquest and transformation of the midddle east. The poster above scornfully mentions 'liberal idealism' when in fact the necons are the creators of a bizzare, idealistic dream toward the middle east. We will never defeat al aqaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan by occupying Iraq. But the neocons who peverted our mission after 9/11 want you to believe that we can. By only idealistically relying upon a faulty, condenscendingly arrogant belief system of conquest, the neoconanderthals have proven that they are not progmatic or even able to think their way out of a paper bag.
I have no doubt that during the next several months the desperate neocon artists will become even more rabid in their venomous attacks on everyone opposed to their disasterous foreign policies.
sp4 - Take a look, dickhead, the GOP has a moderate so moderate he once wanted to join the Dem Caucus
Their main focus is to instill
fear, and perpetrate paranoia, in hope to delude Americans into continuing to support them.
sp4 see above, bonehead
They preach the paranoia of 'don't you know what will happen' if we change directions, etc.
sp4 - on the contrary, we know EXACTLY what will happen
Their strategy of throwing everything into Iraq reminds me of the duck and cover days in the early 1960's.
sp4 - nonsense: we have it distributed in numerous places
The politians pretend to protect us with strategy that simply does not work.
sp4 - even Nancy pelosi conceded we are winning in Iraq. that sorta takes the sail outa that lie!
It would be very unwise for them to underestimate the level of dissatifaction among real Americans, resulting from the past years of neocon lies, deceptions, delusions, and the failure to keep on tract with the pursuit of osama bin laden and al qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
sp4 - that's why they greenlighted Bush TWICE!
However, wisdom is an attribute that most all neocons surely lack.
sp4 - TWICE
They can only resort to visceral, verbal attacks of those who question their ill-conceived, mis directed, and failed strategy of imperial conquest and transformation of the midddle east.
sp4 - ...even NANCY PELOSI
The poster above scornfully mentions 'liberal idealism' when in fact the necons are the creators of a bizzare, idealistic dream toward the middle east.
sp4 - '..we MUST deal with Saddam!' - Hillary Rodham Clinton.
We will never defeat al aqaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan by occupying Iraq.
sp4 - no, we HAVE defeated them in IRAQ!
But the neocons who peverted our mission after 9/11 want you to believe that we can.
sp4 - we HAVE!
By only idealistically relying upon a faulty, condenscendingly arrogant belief system of conquest, the neoconanderthals have proven that they are not progmatic or even able to think their way out of a paper bag.
sp4 - Nancy Pelosi...we are winning...
Go Inform yourself. It will require you leaving Mom's basement, but you can still wear the tinfoil hat...
'yess...this is th presidint...oh!...good afternoon senatah Clinton...nooo.....everthin's je fahne...married foff m' daughtah....no more drinkin and carryin on....at least fer noow....one moore t goo...well..y' knoow....been spendin tahme at crawferd...coffah with Mutha Sheehan....yeah...th secret service has t bee thire too...whin ol Dick cin't be thire with his skattah gun...'
....ah must say, that was a spirited campaihgn yoou were runnin...well..unitl yestadayah.....too bad too..y' dang near had thit colored fella corraled and branded.....Hilarah....hillarah...woman...quit y' goddam screemin ...this ain't Bill y' talkin too....jeesusah cheerahst...it's a PRAHMREEE.....sheeit....folks loose em all th tahme...well.cept me o course...stop Hilarah...thits a joke....n' settle dooown woman...'
'...listen t' me Hillarah...ah feel reel bad ya lost but...waell..y' f--ked up, strctly speakin.....haell yes!...ya shoulda dealt oout thit colored fella earlah...jes lahke ah did with ol Johnny....otherwahse I'd be a rantin on Jack Daniels in Crawferd nooow...oh yeah..., ah AM in Crawferd!....but it's still earlah....maybah latah.....thit's joke girl....'
'...s' listen up girl..ol GW is grateful fer thit war vote...took lot's guts an ya stepped up..soory bout thim WMD's...well not really......but listen!...
y' stay in th senate, peddle thit vote ta' bill's foundation doners...oh yeeah...ever one knoows aboout thit...haell...y' ain't th onlah one...thin ya' pass sum reeel pretty legislation....save th gay whales or sumpin....we cin evin git ya a gay marriage bill..well..excipt fer Crawferd....an ah'll hep ya too senatah...git ya sum o thim haghwaay funds fer New York...sum o thim cap an trades...well...if'n thim dems o yurs evah warm up t thim, heh, heh, heh...heck, ah got 6 more months an daddy's got th store opin fer ya girl..so put on thim big girl panties (damn big in yur case! heh, heh, heh) and rahde! Gotta goo noow, best ta Bill, thahnk him fer thim salmon flavored cee gars unda th desk...tell Chelsea all thit weight off her looks reeel good..an hava goood dayah!'
'I see the lunatic poster is back ,hoping that some of the mud he throws will stick.'
How is it 'mud' if it is acknowledged to be the truth? Even by Obama?
'This is the best way of killing democracy .'
What do you know of democracy? You signed your sovereignty over to the EU.
'terible loss of prestige your country has suffered worldwide as the result of the invasion of Iraq on false reasons and a lot more .'
I do not know a soul who cares what a tic like you thinks about us,..
'Their main focus is to instill
fear, and perpetrate paranoia, in hope to delude Americans into continuing to support them.'
Getting together with bin laden and singing kumbaya won't work you bandwagon hopping, needy lemming.
...if there are people who have demonstrated that they are out to get you.
The last time the American people completely lost their marbles and went banana`s in a national display of hysterics, frenzy and sheer panic, was in 1939 when H.G.Wells announced that the Martians had landed.
Now you do it because some insane, dumb political party has the insulting capacity to offer you two of the most obnoxious candidates for President that could possibly be selected outside the Chamber of Horrors and YOU are stupid enough to vote for them.
Don`t you really know with all the high education now available, that YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR UNDESIRABLES, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE OFFERED OR YOU ARE TOLD TO - YOU ABSTAIN OR VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITION !!
THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF THAT IS CALLED ; - FREEDOM.
how abstaining from voting solves anything - the process won't stop because of it. Don't judge the entire U.S. voting public by the few who post here!
havn't looked at this site for sometime .
so i checked it out and the first thing i see is the same old hypocrites on here same old crap same old same old .piss on this site ..
...don't give a crap if you vote, or not. MY vote has more validity if you do not!
Go ponder that and, by all means, get back to us.
Yeah, yer right Hank, same old crap from the same old crud.
It`s a chat club mate, not a Congressional debate. OK, we get all sorts, we argue, we call each other names, we are downright offensive at times, that`s life chum.
We even suffer that fate worse than death - WE GET DELETED BY THE REFEREE. Does`nt matter, it`s all part of the game. Great fun and if you read SP4 like an addict, you can even either learn something on rare occasions, or wonder why they let them out so inconsiderately amongst the rest of us.
Are you so isolated from group session chat that you never go down the bar and do the same with your mates over a beer ? or do you live in a plastic bubble ?
You obviously don`t find us all very intellectually beneficial to your lifestyle, perhaps it`s more refined down the Chess Club.
Well Hank my honey-bunch, you know what the answer is - PISS OFF !
I forgot to mention.
YOU said many of us were hypocrites, well you are quite correct since I have never met a person in my entire life who is`nt. You are to Hank and at the risk of being called a heretic, so are ALL religious people, every single one from top down.
BUT, none of us will be President of the United States, so it does`nt matter a toss.
BUT, my dear Hank, YOU have already voted for one and will be voting for the most monstrous HYPOCRITE in the entire country in November ! AND he WILL be PRESIDENT !
OOP`S sorry Hank, don`t puke up on the carpet, there`s a good chap - go outside and do it.
'...don't give a crap if you vote, or not. MY vote has more validity if you do not!'
... well, I pondered it! And it turns out you are wrong. Your vote has validity as defined by how well it reflects your intentions. If Hank does not vote then your vote has more WEIGHT, however the validity is the same.
It is important to distinguish between the 'validity of something' verses 'majority rule' because they are very distinctive in their nature, although many people can't figure out the difference.
'majority rule' can also be called: 'Rule by the mob', which is derogatory phrase. However, 'ruling through validity' is rarely demonstrated and is a tenuous and delicate virtue that is often snuffed out by the mob.
So, if anything your concept of validity demonstrates the callousness of a democracy. It is similar in nature to callousness and validity that Bush displays.
The only validity of any vote is it's place in the nation-state. If you have the right to vote, and do not, those vote that ARE counted have greater weight in the contest.
The economy is heading south as we speak, there in a war in Iraq, the real estate market is the worst in years and no end in sight, gas prices are heading up faster than you can blink, businesses are going under, the airlines are going nuts, on and on - yep, Obama is already ruining this country!
'So, if anything your concept of validity demonstrates the callousness of a democracy. It is similar in nature to callousness and validity that Bush displays. '
Better not to have any choices and do away with all that callousness then.
'The economy is heading south as we speak,'
Obamas policies will bring $400-500 a bbl oil and his spending will bankrupt the country.
'there in a war in Iraq,'
One that we are winning. A war that needs to be won. A war that Obama wants to deliberately lose.
'the real estate market is the worst in years and no end in sight,'
And Obama with his magic mojo will simply wave his hand over your property and make it worth millions...
'gas prices are heading up faster than you can blink,'
See the $400-500 a bbl oil bit.
'businesses are going under,'
Welcome to capitalism.
'the airlines are going nuts,'
???
'on and on'
No thanks.
Indeed,stop these silly attacks,they are unworthy of democracy.
What a big lump of geriatric shit you are SP4. Now saying you are going to vote for a Nigga after all that Republican crap you have said on this site !
Tell you what, go and jump in the cesspit, then shit will mix with shit.
You deplorable pox-ridden turn-cote. You want a vile non-American person like Obama to lead your country ? The guy is a human disaster and will be for America.
A pig born in a stable - IS NOT A HORSE.
Your miserable little vote will be one of the token brainless minority
that will vote for this black jumped-up jerk, McCain will get 58 million and you and your brainwashed proletariat scum will be lucky to get 30 million - all of those being mindless zombies like you.
..never said I was going to vote for Obama....
I simply stated his successes. I do not hold an avowed liberal leftist guilty for being one, only disagree with their position. After all, that is what libnazis do and we conservatives are not anything like them. We do not treat political philosophy as religion.
Go inform yourself.
'Obama is going to ruin this country!' Well, what has the Bush's done? Your ignorance is laughable, your colors are showing American, I cannot believe in this day and age you people still thinks the way you do, shame on all. Yes, I am biracial like Obama and sooo proud of it and he has my vote and many of his kind SP4 and all others above.
Now what would be a conservative in the USA?Probably something more extreme thatn the british tories I'd have to guess .What is there to be conerved in the USA ?The bad health care system,which happens to be also the most expensive on earth ?I guess not,but probably we will never know because when the subject is raised,a deafening silence from republican side is the only answer to this appaling situation .Conserve the fast growing inequalities between the rich and the poor,which even shamed Warren Buffet who acknowledged that the Nush era had only profited the super rich,into giving the bulk of his fortune away .will the republicans perhaps conserve the anormous debt ?I guess not because banks are not known to be charitable institutins and they'll want their money back.Ah so many questions that need answers .
What is going to happen when the oil prices rise further ?Will the conservatives,not having worked towards any alternative energy source during the Bush era,blame the democrats ?
To me it is clear the world is in a deep crisis,what is needed are bold measures , nationalization of key resources such as oil.The money could be put to use for the well being of your country folks,not pile up in the bank accounts of those that already have multiple billions .conserving the actual situation will only make things much worse .Of course there are those that feel proud to be the vassals of the rich,satisfied with the mere illusions of belonging to the mightiest nation,even if they are the poorest ,like SP4.
I'm confused, does Sp4 have multiple personalities, 'cause he seems to be talking to himself. Funny part is that none of his personalities make sense.
4PS,,,,, Has multiple disorders !! Example over 62,000 web-sights numerous articles and chat-rooms about McCain's involvement as 'The Songbird of Hanoi'. He reads 1 book that McCain wrote to himself saying he never was and then 4PS calls me names..................Then everytime he entered his comment, another comment follows with the same tone and language as his. But he does give us a good laugh here at the VFW...............I remembered he said once he had a thing to do the Black Ops with some ABC Department of the USA, he probably changed the black ink cartage at the Post-Office, in some little Red Neck Town in the Bible-Belt that keeps sending their kids off to fight for Bush who's rich father kept him out of Vietnam, while little Bush did his pharmaceutical grade Cocaine....No wonder Bush gave up golf, he keeps getting his golf balls mixed up with his rock cocaine
4PS is nothing more than a fake,,,,,,,,,,,and so it is !!
...black ops??? Me??? someone said that?
In the age of instant information, most of it is crap.
Now what would be a conservative in the USA?
sp4 - Ronald Reagan
Probably something more extreme thatn the british tories I'd have to guess .
sp4 - we threw them out, remember?
What is there to be conerved in the USA ?
sp4 - our freedoms, for one
The bad health care system,which happens to be also the most expensive on earth ?
sp4 - that's why canadians, Mexicans, Japanese mob bosses, etc. come here to get it so often
I guess not,but probably we will never know because when the subject is raised,a deafening silence from republican side is the only answer to this appaling situation .
sp4 - The dems just got done with 6 months of campaigning...where were the issues, besides race and gender???
Conserve the fast growing inequalities between the rich and the poor,which even shamed Warren Buffet who acknowledged that the Nush era had only profited the super rich,into giving the bulk of his fortune away .
sp4 - conservatives believe in private giving. Whats that make Warren Buffet?
will the republicans perhaps conserve the anormous debt ?
sp4 - or the dems 300 billion unfunded farm bill for rich farmers not to grow stuff...get back to us on that.
I guess not because banks are not known to be charitable institutins and they'll want their money back.
sp4 - unless it's european banks and they are covered by your tax money, or the IMF and covered by american tax money. Gee, no wonder they don't mind getting money back..they will anyway!
Ah so many questions that need answers .
sp4 - see above
What is going to happen when the oil prices rise further ?
sp4 - it will cost more, so drill more holes...and get busy, the dems stiflled it for 30 years so you have some groud to make up
Will the conservatives,not having worked towards any alternative energy source during the Bush era,blame the democrats ?
sp4 - Bush's hydrogen iniative, shale oil proposals, fed funding for every alt energy subsidy...fusion research....SDI offshoot tech as in super capacitors and lithium Ion batts...tax credits for sorely needed electrical infrastructure. Fact is, it's liberals who have been sitting on their asses for 30 years dreaming...the dream is over
To me it is clear the world is in a deep crisis,what is needed are bold measures , nationalization of key resources such as oil.
sp4 - how's that working where they do it?..., Venezuela (production down) Russia (production down)That's the problem with real socialism: it costs you a pile for no gain.
In fact, there would be no oil tech if America had not invented it.
The money could be put to use for the well being of your country folks,not pile up in the bank accounts of those that already have multiple billions .
sp4 - Interesting Tonny, because US entitlements amount to $8750 for each person under the poverty line. Seems to me it's not getting to them, huh? By the way, europe HAS nationalized oil companies and you have exactly the same problems with energy...even worse in some places.
conserving the actual situation will only make things much worse .
sp4 - could not agree more - the dems have stifled energy production for thirty years and now...here we are. Now, what we are looking for is out there in the ground.
Of course there are those that feel proud to be the vassals of the rich,satisfied with the mere illusions of belonging to the mightiest nation,even if they are the poorest ,like SP4.
sp4 - Nope, we are going to elect a socialist and when these glaring issues do not disappear...and they will not...I'll be back here to remind you.
Change!
The Man they call Change!
Oh, He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and he gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Chicago
the man they call Change.
Our Barak saw the workers' backs breakin'.
He saw the workers' lament.
And he saw the Management takin'
every dollar and leavin' five cents.
So he said: 'You can't do that to my people.'
said 'You can't crush them under your heel.'
So he strapped on his hat
and in 5 seconds flat
stole everythin' the Yanks had to steal.
Oh, He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and he gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Chicago
the man they call Change.
Now here is what separates heroes
from common folk like you and I.
The man they call Change
he turned 'round his plane
and let that money hit sky.
He dropped it onto our houses
he dropped it into our yards.
The man they called Change
he stole away our pain
and headed out for the stars!
(Here we go!)
He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and he gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Chicago
the man they call Change...
Vote for the HONEST leftist. Vote Obama.
..that change is not improvement, or progress.
It is if it pertains to the Bush era!
...era.
has to have the last word, don't you? Have you ever had counseling for that? Clinton will be a great campaigner for Obama.
Bringing Clinton into this campaign would weaken Obama.
Hillary dispises him.
She would spend her time undermining him 24/7
he would appear weak.
He would have all those clintonistas milling around
he would have to endure Bill
she would poison Obama, if she could.
half the dems and ALL the republicans do not like her.
Do the math.
That IS the last word.
I just wish now that this old woman has been thrown out on her fat arse, she would GO ! God, she is like a bloody leech, you`ll have to burn her arse with a fag end before she`ll let go.
Let America completely forget the name of CLINTON, Good Bye to draft dodging, sex pervert BILL and Good Bye to his parasitic wife - she does not belong in politics - she belongs in a museum.
They really did.
How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?
How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??
How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?
Because none of it is impeachable
How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??
Because it is empty political rehtoric.
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