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Questions of patriotism plague candidates ahead of July 4 (Feature)
By Chris Cermak Jul 2, 2008, 23:58 GMT
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...has nothing to do with real Christianity. No real Christian church would let in a radical muslim in to speak on the pulpit, during a service.
Put down the bong, go to rehab. The only other way to get it through your drug addled brain is to beat it in with a bat: Obama is NOT anything but a Christian. Grow up, child. Get a brain, get a life, get a job, and for Christ's sake get the heck out of mommy's basement.
what church do you belong to, The Chuch of Genuine Idiots and A-holes?
'Questions of patriotism plague candidates ahead of July 4'
No one is questioning McCain's patriotism.
'Another repeated claim is that he is a Muslim, and even that he attended a radical Islamic madrassa school during a four-year spell in Indonesia as a young child.'
Google: 'President Apostate'
www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html
Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
www.danielpipes.org/article/5354
Obama was sent to Indonesian schools where he was enrolled as a muslim and given islamic instruction there. He doesn't even deny this. Chris Cermak should check his facts before he regurgitates Obama press releases.
'Obama is in fact a Christian,'
If you call Jeremiah Wrights church Christian... Not tooo much about love and forgiveness there from what I have seen.
'His father was a Muslim from Kenya but abandoned the family when he was aged two.'
You forgot the word 'polygamist'.
' Obama said. 'Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it.' '
Well, Obama has cultivated relationships with Bill Ayres and Bernadette Dohrn, terrorists with the 'Weather underground' who attempted to murder Americans, set off bombs and tried to murder service members at the pentagon. 'Reverend' Wright, who preaches God Damn America from his pulpit, Michelle Obama, who has never been proud of the USA and who calls it a 'mean country'....Etc Etc Etc.
No, McCain has shown he loves the USA by deed and sacrafice. Obama has shown contempt for it.
Obama Patriotism:
mklasing.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/obama-pledge.jpg
McCain Patriotism:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/McCainWithSquadron.jpg
Obama:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOtNHyejrU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGalQ1YdcI
McCain:
For McCain, son’s duty in Iraq is not a talking point
By Roxana Tiron
Posted: 04/02/08 07:53 PM [ET]
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) regularly talks about his military experience on the presidential campaign trail, but he draws the line when asked about his sons’ service in the armed forces.
Jimmy McCain, 19, who returned from Iraq in mid-February, is stationed at Camp Pendleton in California. Jack McCain, 21, is poised to graduate from the Naval Academy and could join the Marines as a second lieutenant.
At a time when Democrats are calling for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq, McCain has refused to use his children’s experience to strengthen his arguments for keeping the U.S. military in the Middle Eastern country.
they dress up in white sheets, just like the Vestal Virgins. Then, after a quart of liquid courage they go out and burn a cross on someone's front lawn.
Oops, lets see. Hmmmmmmm:
RCP Average 06/16 - 07/01 -- 47.4 42.0 Obama +5.4
CNN 06/26 - 06/29 906 RV 50 45 Obama +5.0
Gallup Tracking 06/29 - 07/01 2665 RV 46 44 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen Tracking 06/29 - 07/01 3000 LV 49 44 Obama +5.0
Democracy Corps (D) 06/22 - 06/25 2000 LV 49 45 Obama +4.0
Time 06/19 - 06/25 805 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 06/19 - 06/23 1115 RV 49 37 Obama +12.0
Franklin & Marshall 06/16 - 06/22 1501 RV 42 36 Obama +6.0
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
ok about patriotism.....Um patriotisms deffinition or accepted deffinition seems to have changed from 1908 to 2008.....Serving your country on the battlefield or serving your community should be the same thing......McCain served in the navy, Obama served as a community organizer, neither of these titles or actions make one man more patriotic than the other.....simple as that.....
Oh and for all those people who want to attack obama for being a 'secret Muslim' get a life, He is a Christian, McCain has acknowleged it and even many other conservatives and even Billy Graham know his religous background as Christian......
But heres a question....even if he was Muslim (he's not) who cares.....do you know anything about that religion???.....because the people who attacked us on 911 were acting in the same ways the nazi's did in the name of christianity......they are taking pieces of the Quran and warping it to fit thier ideology.....Many wars have been started on false pretenses of what 'God' wants us to do......unfortunately, no Bible or religion says to KILL people just because, there are preconditions before attacking....
Ever read the christian bible??? What did Jesus do when he saw sales stands in the courtyard near the holy temple??? he tore them down, he threw a fit and told them that they are trying to sell things on holy land.......Sound familliar......
in the Quran, they may only attack if thier holy land is being decicrated and invaded by those who wish to claim it for thier own or in the name of another god, then they are called 'infidels' and can be killed.....
Here's the thing, if you are secure in enough in your religion you wont fear other religions.....Obama is a Christian and has said it more proudly than McCain ever has, we just assume McCain is Christain.....Obama has made more speeches and provided more solutions to appease both Church and State separation laws, and has spoken about the Lord and his teachings not just in churches, but other public arenas....
Republican does not mean Christian....and most evangelicals dont represent what Jesus wanted
For those of you who are not already following the story, there is an increasingly strong possibility that Obama may not by technical definition, be eligible to be the President of the United States. But you won’t see this anywhere at the moment in the mainstream media. They are not yet running with the story. It is quietly taking shape on the Internet.
The reason for this possibility relates to Obama's birth certificate. Now, you might be thinking, 'didn't Obama post his birth certificate on his 'fight the smears' website? Well, yes he did post an image of what appears at first glance to be a birth certificate. (You can find it quickly by Googling “fight the smears” and then click his link on the left that says “birth certificate”)
But note that this document does not contain the official embossed seal of Hawaii (the state he claims to have been born) and it is NOT SIGNED. Both the seal and signature are required to make the document an image of a valid birth certificate. And if you're thinking that maybe it's on the backside, note the reversed image of the date of 'Jun 6, 2007' that bleeds through from the back. If anything else were on the back, it would therefore also bleed through to the front so you could see it. But there is nothing else on the back.
Obama's campaign released his so called 'birth certificate' online a few weeks ago. But he would have been better off posting nothing because it has now only raised more questions than it hoped to have quelled.
I believe the Obama campaign is praying this issue goes away, but the more people hear about it, it won’t. If he has nothing to hide, the solution is blatantly simple: He should contact Hawaiian officials and authorize that 'certified and signed copies' of his birth records be made available to the media. Remember, theoretically the birth certificate that the media would see should be identical to the one he posted online except it would be signed and be sealed.
But Mr. Obama, the man who claims he wants to “fight the smears” and respond with “truth” seems to be refusing to allow anyone a look at his actual birth certificate. As each day passes and more people learn of it, I bet it will become a campaign issue.
Nixon stonewalled on release of the Watergate tapes for good reason; he was guilty. I’m wondering if Obama has the same problem.
I predict that Hillary is going to be making a come back. The fireworks are getting ready to begin, and I'm not talking about the 4th of July!
''Serving your country on the battlefield or serving your community should be the same thing......McCain served in the navy, Obama served as a community organizer, neither of these titles or actions make one man more patriotic than the other.....simple as that.....'
Well, no, it is not simple as that.Firstly, McCain went through 4 years of the naval Academy another 6 years of service and 5 and a half years of hell as a POW in Hanoi. He put his life on the line for the USA. Obama briefly worked as a 'community organizer' that had an outreach to Chicago gangs which proved to be completely useless. His service to the community of Chicago has resulted in more crime, more drugs and more poverty then ever and the only other thing it resulted in was that his friends got rich off the tax payers.
Here, read up:
www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_ obamas_housing_policy
'Oh and for all those people who want to attack obama for being a 'secret Muslim' '
He was born a muslim by islamic law. He was educated as such, That is the fact.
'He is a Christian'
Yes, he went to that racist church, we know.
'.....because the people who attacked us on 911 were acting in the same ways the nazi's did in the name of christianity.'
The Nazis did not act in the name of Christianity.
'no Bible or religion says to KILL people just because, there are preconditions before attacking....'
The Koran commands muslims to kill infidels. I can quote you the passages.
'in the Quran, they may only attack if thier holy land is being decicrated and invaded by those who wish to claim it for thier own or in the name of another god, then they are called 'infidels' and can be killed.....'
They can 'attack infidels wherever they find them' According to Sura 9:29.
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
It goes on and on likethat.
'Republican does not mean Christian....and most evangelicals dont represent what Jesus wanted'
And these guys do?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6rTvwV9L4
looks like an sp4 roast going on here.
i'd like to roast his nuts....
go for it. He has already roasted his brain. You might as well finish the job for him. Can I supply the gas, or is a blow torch needed?
to see SP:4
Pages and pages and pages of utter shite.
(apologies to M&C)
For once I have lost my good manners, But SP:4 is still is a mental retard.
SP:4 is ALWAYS 'Right' .
The rest of us,who live and share this Planet
are always .....WRONG?
is a legend in his own drug addled mind.
You are truly nuts.
People who call themselves christians are superstitious uneducated and ill-informed poor souls with weak minds.
and what, besides drug abuse, explains your weak mind, EssPee?
The birth certificate appears to be an officially issued replacement for a lost original. He was born to an American mother. Let's have an end to the silly crap about whether or not Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States. He was born a citizen. End of argument.
His patriotism, that is to say whether or not he is a citizen of the United States between his ears, is another issue altogether. How can a man who attended the church of Reverend Jeremiah Wright for twenty or more years claim to be a patriot? How can man who associated with the likes of William Ayres, Bernardine Dohrn and Rashid Kalidi claim to be a patriot?
He has no right to any such claim. Neither do his college professors nor the political party whose nomination he has won. It has taken decades of hard work by leftists to produce a Barack Obama. It was necessary for them to invade and pervert the American school system to make a Barack Obama possible. Ten years ago a character like Barack Obama would not have gotten the time of day from the Democrat Party, let alone from the American news media. Now both make him out to be a hero.
American Marxists now own the school system, the news media, a large chunk of our banking system, the whole of our entertainment industry and our the whole of our bureaucracies. Our resident Marxists are now ready to step out of their closets and launch a Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the United States. They have good reason to launch such a revolution. They now have their Kwisatz Haderach, the man who can 'shorten the way.'
Do you wonder how this could have happened? The Marxists have wheedled one little compromise after another from us. They have been expert at offering us something for nothing. Most of the time they have not even suffered the need to do this with any grace. No adroitness has been required of them. We the People have traded away our inheritance for tiny messes of pottage meted out over the decades since FDR.
You think me wrong? Take a hard look at how Barack Obama won the Democrat nomination! He made no new promises. His speeches have been nothing more than a long litany of promises to rob the 'rich' and give to the 'poor.' Only in recent days does he demonstrate himself to be a man of change. What has been the Republican answer? John McCain, a man who believes that all lives are a struggle against selfishness.
By all means, let us all take a long pull on this dark brew of political correctness, guilt, Marxism and self-immolation. By all means, let us elect this New Age Metrosexual to the highest office in the land. Let us find out first hand what is like to experience a Proletarian Cultural Revolution of our own. By all means, let us destroy those who aspire to improve the lot of themselves and their descendants, the Middle Class, the 'Petite bourgeoisie'. Of what possible use could they be to anyone other than themselves? We need only those wise rich people who truly understand Marxism to guide us into the future.
Vote for the HONEST Marxist. Vote Obama.
Absolutely beyond doubt, the nazis were christian, albeit of a fanatical sect, similar to the 9/11 persons who are from a fanatic muslim sect. Fanatics of all breeds usually advocate killing in the name of their God, to hopefully provide some 'moralistic' cover for themselves as they violate the tenets of their so called 'faith'. Throughout human history more people have been killed, maimed, tortured and raped in the name of religion than in the name of anything else. The nazis combined their spiritual faith, christian, with rabid nationalism just like some Americans do, and they were very much into waving flags and banners just like some narrow-minded Americans, because the appearance of being a patriot means everything.
I sincerely wish every American a very happy and proud JULY 4Th and that you have all had an enjoyable Independence Day.
YES ! It was on the 4th July 1776 that you declared independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain and the great United States of America was born, the Land of the Free.
YES ! You kicked the British up the arse and simply said 'enough is enough' and sent them packing back to their piddling little Island.
You sure did an excellent job on those red coated scumbags. It was Britain`s Vietnam.
Britain lost America through TAXES, but Holy Cow, they never gave up and have crucified their own people ever since. Our entire life is spent paying the buggers back.
America - a nation which all the world should be grateful to. OK you make your enormous cock-ups, but who has`nt - if you`ve never dropped a catch, you`ve never played baseball.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
From a very admiring Brit.
PS - I have posted an enormous load of shit in these columns, which has really pissed you all off ( well, mostly the Dummycrats and their chocolate drop candidate ) - but it is all in good fun and the above sentiments are truly meant to every one of you - including that idiot NOHARNESS.
Now I`ve sent you my kisses, back to the ring - watch this space.
Oh, yes! Here is the other little goad that is a favorite of the Marxists. If you call them out for the lack of patriotism, as obvious as it is, then they turn the tables on their opponent by implying that he or she is a fascist and a racist. Especially if the opponent is a Christian the Marxist then feels positively obliged to voice such an implication--assuming the Marxist does not simply call you a Fascist to your face. This trick works astonishingly well at stifling speech.
Do you love your country and are proud of its history? Then you are a brainless low brow who loves to goosestep around the village square by torchlight. It is a lie, but it is only a useful lie when real patriots run in fear from it. This is the favorite trick used by the professors in American halls of academe.
Here is the truth. It is the Democrats who are behaving as sheep. It is the Democrats who want Americans totally reliant upon the government for their survival. It is the Democrats who constantly imply that anything you do for yourself or for your own is a dirty business. And while it might be necessary, you should be ashamed of it and you should be forced to atone for it by paying more taxes, by 'volunteering' and by making a public demonstration of shame for your success.
Have you noticed that the Marxists are no longer the ardent defenders of the First Amendment and free speech? That is because free speech is getting in the way of their ambitions. Marxism is accepted now. It's mainstream. Now they need political correctness and acquiescence to achieve their ambitions. Nowadays they need every tool they can find that will help them stifle speech. They do not want the freedom of speech and they value religion only so long as it helps them get their way.
Here is the truth. Socialism has been an abject failure everywhere tried, including the Unite States.
I think it is time for us to have a monstrous great dose of the truth. Let us withdraw our objections to becoming slaves owned by the state. Let us fall silent. Let the Marxists in this country have their way. Let us learn the hard way about how well socialism works.
Vote for the HONEST Marxist. Vote Obama.
You wish a guy a happy 4th of July and get in return a mange pot of political garbage about Marxism ! It is such a hotch-potch of literary flotsam that it could only be equalled by the survivor of a gallon of 100% proof in his cardboard box under the Brooklyn Bridge.
This guy would give a two hour political oratory at a funeral.
He should move to London where Karl Marx is buried under a big lump of moss covered concrete with his big ugly head stuck on top of it. The pigeons use it as a primary crapping station before they fly off to Trafalgar Square and finish shitting over poor old Nelson.
OK ESS PEE - I wanna see it - get yer scalpel out and go to work on this
intangible pile of rubbish. Quiet frankly, it gave me a headache.
Are you there NO-H ? A HAPPY 4TH OF JULY !!!!!!!!! These pages will not print Russian, I`ve tried it.
Read the post ahead of the kindly Brit, Astonished, you moosetwit.
it's moosetwat
'Absolutely beyond doubt, the nazis were christian, '
You are flat out wrong. They believed in Friedrich Nietzsche's 'super man' and that they were beyond morality.
', and they were very much into waving flags and banners just like some narrow-minded Americans, because the appearance of being a patriot means everything. '
We wave our flags because we have the best country in human history. you object because you are a jealous idiot.
'BEST WISHES TO ALL AMERICANS FROM THE UK'
Thanks.
A heartfelt thanks to the Brit and good luck to you and yours also.
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