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The Clinton's just want the 20 million that Obama promised them to retire their campaign debts, they don't give a damn about 'unity gestures' at this point.
Of course we know how worthless obamas pledges are, so I guess empty gestures will have to do.
How cute that he will count them now.
This is a smart move by the Hillary camp. If the vote goes to the floor, there are more doubters now with regard to Sen. Obama than there were early in the Primary season, and while it would be a long shot, there is a chance that Hillary could come out on top since the contest was neck and neck after Obama secured his early lead before the scandal's hit about his associations, etc.
If these states had been allowed to participate in the 'so called' democratic process of this country, BO would most likely not be in the position he is in now and HRC would still be in the running, as she should be.BO is just to inexperienced, and if he doesn't add HRC to the ballot with him, this lifetime democrat will either sit this vote out or have to vote for someone I would rather not see in office (McCain), but as least has the experience to get us out of the shi* hole mess GWB has gotten this country into.
What a chump!
He thinks people are stupid enough to continue to fall for his act?
Well, I guess many are, but fewer all the time.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
— Mark Twain
Obama decided he was ready to be president after 143 days in the senate. What an egomaniac. He just isn't qualified.
In response to the first poster, don't know where you're getting your information - Obama campaign never promised Clinton 20 million. That's totally exaggerating and twisting what followed. He didn't have to try to help her at all. It's not protocol. And those who were just disappointed and not sore losers would have gotten over it anyway, because if they actually care about women's rights and Democratic policies over Bush-like policies, there's only one vote possible and it's not McCain. Obama followed the rules of the game, folks. He played the game better. That's how he won.
His campaign was against seating the delegates before it was for it. Wonder what it will be next week?
boy what negative comments. BO would win either way counted then or now. He is the best candidate running for POTUS, no question.
It's brilliant. It demonstrates that he has unified support and strengthens his position going into the general election.
Anybody who still thinks Obama is qualified to be President is either ignorant or very badly informed of the facts. Obama is a socialist radical! Wake up, people.
Obama will say anything to get elected to office. One week he'll say one thing and the next week if he realizes his poll numbers dropping he'll say another.
'In response to the first poster, don't know where you're getting your information - Obama campaign never promised Clinton 20 million.'
The news...Including tis outlet. Here, from CNN:
(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has asked top contributors to help former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton retire the debt from her failed presidential campaign, an Obama campaign source said.
Obama and Clinton ran a protracted race for the Democratic presidential nomination that left Clinton with a campaign debt of more than $22 million when she bowed out this month.
About $12 million of that amount is money the senator from New York loaned to the campaign herself.
and here:
June 27, 2008 - 4:15PM
White House contender Barack Obama dug into his own pocket to help defeated rival Hillary Clinton with her campaign debt.
He said work was underway to make sure her .5 million (.5 million) debt was 'taken care of'.
Obama on Thursday met with more than 200 of Clinton's biggest fundraisers at Washington's Mayflower Hotel - the first step in a two-day push to bring her supporters onboard his general election campaign.
Behind the scenes, the two sides were negotiating her future involvement with the campaign.
In a symbolic gesture, Obama used the event to write a ,300 (,400) personal cheque for Clinton, who must find a way to retire her campaign debt, campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe told CNN.
The amount is the most he can offer under federal law.
But more importantly, Obama told the group of fundraisers that a way must be found to retire his former rival's debt.
'I'm going to need Hillary by my side campaigning during his election, and I'm going to need all of you,' Obama said, according to pool copy.
He recounted how he had told his top fundraisers this week 'to get out their cheque books and start working to make sure Senator Clinton - the debt that's out there needs to be taken care of.'
The 30-minute event took place the evening before the Democratic stars will seal their reconciliation with a joint rally in the tiny New Hampshire town of Unity.
See?
'He didn't have to try to help her at all.'
Which is about all he did after he told her he would... Didn't try. That's why you haven't seen the big Clinton support that was promised.
'they actually care about women's rights'
Obama only cares about Obamas rights.
' Obama followed the rules of the game, folks. '
Obama is a proven liar. He lies better, but people are catching on.
'It's brilliant. It demonstrates that he has unified support and strengthens his position going into the general election.'
So why aren't the Clinton's supporting him? It's an empty meaningless gesture which is another flip flop from a previous position.
Ever notice how George Bush strutted like he was THEE rooster with the biggest one in the barnyard when he first got elected. Obama has been struttin the exact same way and he's not even elected yet! They both have the same puffed head stroll. And there are more scary similiarities between the two! Lookout America!!!
Well... dummies, by all accounts, if Obama isn't 'experienced' enough, then how do you explain Madison writing the constitution? How do you explain the greatest American president, Lincoln? I am a lifelong republican that will be voting for a Democrat for the first time. McCain is just too dangerous and Hillary Clinton would have been very easy for McCain to beat!
You people are crazy, Obama and McCain could care less about you. Who gives them the most money? Those are the people they care about. I'm voting purely on race. I want to see a nation of white people elect a black guy. That's all. That's it. And that's the truth for most of us, deep down, we don't know how Washington works at all. And we really don't care. We are just fat and lazy and self interested. Obama this, BO that, you think he's the problem? YOU'RE the problem. If you took a real interest in how your country acts and participated in it, you'd begin to understand that puppets are everywhere, and the people getting BAILED OUT of the banking mess are the real masters behind it all. profit, profit, profit, and when you don't get that profit have the government bail you out, and that's capitalism? Fannie mae and freddy mac are as socialist as it gets, and more corrupt than enron, but yes let's bail them out. and let the people they sold loans too, Who they knew couldn't afford it, move in with relatives or grab a box on the street. Pursuit of happiness indeed. More perfect union, absolutely. Your all just a bunch of racists, with time to bore yourselves to death. this election is a reality show.
Obama for POTUS. All that ancient wreck of a never-was man McCain deserves is the Dotty Potty.
Change is a subtle way of saying Revolution. We saw what change did in Cuba with Fidel and now,in Venezuela, with Chavez. We need a President who'll put the Country first.Not a political prostitute who will say, associate with unsavory characters and flip flop if it is political expedient.
'Madison writing the constitution?'
Madison wasn't the sole author of the constitution, indeed it went to a constitutional committee. He had also helped write Virginias Declaration of Religious Freedom and served in the Virginia state legislature a hell of a lot longer then the 143 days that Obama served before HE decided he was ready to be president.
EVEN STILL, it was TWENTY THREE YEARS serving in government before Madison decided he was ready to be president. Not 143 days. Lincoln served state and federal government for 26 years.
McCain has 50 years of service to the USA through the military and congress.
The thing that obama has done the longest is attend the 'damn America church.'
'McCain is just too dangerous'
Better to elect someone who you know nothing about because you can't believe what he says and has no real record other then a short trip in the senate where he got the 'Most liberal Senator' title from the National Journal.
'I'm voting purely on race. I want to see a nation of white people elect a black guy. That's all. That's it. And that's the truth for most of us, deep down'
An honest Obamna supporter at last.
Great news!
I am looking forward with hope that this nation will wake up and realized what a great president Barack Obama will be. I am proudly voting for an honest, intelligent, wise man. I am a retired resident in the state of Florida
Same old politics. In a way I am disappointed with this, more because this is a slight towards other states, and undermines the reason that our society has rules. If Obama's move is to get acclimation, then it would a shrewd move. However, this clearly shows Obama's lack of experience and unwillingness to show that he is willing to make hard decisions.
What an outpouring of moronic blather from the Republican trolls who haunt this blog. It must take extraordinary stamina to keep repeating the same vapid blather over and over again. I hope you're getting minimum wage for your efforts, at the very least.
Flip Flop again.
Oblama did everything he could to keep these states from being fully counted until Hillary was out of the race - now he wants them counted!
Obama just set a new record for Flip Flops in this election!!!
Lets just call him the 'Say Anything' candidate.
well, no one is impressed with you.
And the europeans can have obama.
'Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama on Sunday urged the party's credentials committee to give a full vote to the defrocked state delegations from Florida and Michigan - a move that could heal the lingering, deep divisions with narrowly defeated rival Hillary Clinton.'
Wow. What spin. He will count them when they don't matter. Why would this be something healing?
'Wow. What spin. He will count them when they don't matter. Why would this be something healing?'
Exactly.
Obamba played by the rules, Clinton did not and still her backers are still saying that Hillary really won! To quote Frazier Crane 'What color is the sky in your world...?'
His record is non existent and his words mean nothing.
He simply stands for absolutely nothing what so ever.
He lied about Campaign matching funds.
He lied about filibustering telecom immunity.
He flip-flopped on the DC gun ban.
He flip-flopped on Iraq troop withdrawals
He flip-flopped on the government's eavesdropping program.
He flip-flopped on late term abortion and then re flipped.
He flip-flopped on gay marriage.
He flip-flopped on NAFTA.
He flip-flopped on The Cuba embargo.
He flip-flopped on welfare reform.
He flip-flopped on Donations from Lobbyists.
He flip-flopped on serving his full term as senator.
He flip-flopped on Meeting with Foreign Leaders like Iran.
He flip-flopped on tossing Jeremiah Wright under the bus.
He flip-flopped on Jerusalem being undivided.
He flip-flopped on the PATRIOT Act.
He flip-flopped on Coal mining.
He flip-flopped on 'PAYGO'
He flip-flopped on legal Immigrants getting Driver's Licenses.
He flip-flopped on school Vouchers
Add seating the delegates to the list, along with many others...
I am really disappointed in the level of ignorance of people in this country. I am a registered independent and have voted for republicans and democrats. However, in this contest there is only one choice and that is Obama. McCain is lower on the intelligence scale than Bush and that is really hard to do. McCain would continue to keep us hated by the rest of the world. McCain would have us in another uncalled for \'war\' the first time he got upset. (which is quite often) How can people like someone who cheated on his crippled wife, called his current wife a \'cunt\' in public, cusses regularly in senate hearings, and cheated on his current wife. He also has two major ethical violations while he has been serving. If you are stupid. If you are ignorant. If you think Rush Limbaugh is your God. Then you should vote for McCain because he is like you.
'I am really disappointed in the level of ignorance of people in this country. '
Well, most of us have figured out how to hit the 'submit' button only once, but you are free to get out any time.
Obama sounds so smart when he is reading other peoples speeches.. McCain has written some excellent books I suggest you read some of them, you might change your mind. Start with 'Faith of My Fathers'...
www.amazon.com/Faith-My-Fathers-John-Mccain/dp/0375501916
'McCain would continue to keep us hated by the rest of the world.'
So you are going to vote for someone who is clearly unqualified in order to be 'liked'? Isn't that pretty insecure?
As for the rest of your post, using the 'c' word (and regurgitating a proven lie) shows you to be a lowlife.
Is this guy for real? He has flip-flopped on NAFTA, campaign reform, off-shore drilling, the surge working/not working, and NOW he wants FL and MI delegations seated? Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth!!!Snake oil, anyone?
ok gang heres the bottom line
BO and his band want to look like he is creating Unity by bringing these states into full vote fruition (now that there has been enough time to pass when these votes would have mattered and vitually tied the primary race for HRC and BO)... and it theoretically is brilliant because now he can go either way and say - 1. we did this for Unity of the Party (not pick HRC as veep) but talk sideways out of his mouth and say he is trying to provide a bridge to bring the clinton 18 million along... OR... 2. we did this for Unity of the Party (realising that he is virtually dead even in the polls with MCain select the only way he can win for sure and bring Hillary as veep and say 'this shows all along he was going to pick her' and get her 18 million votes
wow he is truly genius ... let me just say this for sure as an independent voter (voted for Reagan - Reagan - Perot - Clinton - Gore - Kerry) there is only ONE candidate I will vote for this year and I am calling on all independants as well as dems and reps to write in HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON if her name is not on the ballot. that is a decision already made on this end... I am sure many will be doing the same. if this means that the dems lose because of Unity then having a Maverick like McCain will be just fine by me (anyone who knows McCain's history knows that he is not truly GOP and many dems will be fine with him for President because he is a true independant running on only one of possible two tickets.
write in HRC
I've spent 2 hours reading comment after comment. I think the tides are turning. 3 months from now, BO won't no longer be the ONE. He's losing in polls daily.
America deserves someone with more integrety and character.
McCain served our country and paid for it with his imprisonment in Vietnam. What did Obama do? Attending that racist church listing to Wright for all those 20 years?
McCain '08
No one is really qualified to be President.What ever you say right or wrong it is always questionable.So how can you be qualified?Give Obama a chance, thats what the other Presidents had.
'Give Obama a chance, thats what the other Presidents had.'
So did Hitler.
'BO would win either way counted then or now.'
Yes, BO would win either way. This guy is trying to be slick. We do not need a slicko for president.
i have lived in michigan all my life
i really never thought of michigan as a state.
frankly i don't know what it is.
Of course they will seat the delegates. Rules mean nothing these days. Let's ignore the simple fact that Michigan voters were disenfranchised in processes. Letting the political elite of the Michigan's Democratic party have a full vote at the convention is not democracy. So now they will allow the party 'leaders' who decided to break the rules to avoid the consequences;they will only be representing themselves at the convention. Whether it's the mortgage melt down, illegal immigration, or the Michigan primary the individuals who cut corners are forgiven at the expense of the people.
News Flash for you, sunshine. Hitler was never had a chance to be President of the US. However, his demon spawn, Bush, who never had a chance, stole the elections.
Groups can fall into a mob mentality, which I see being done here. It's rarely constructive...usually very destructive.
Mobs turn on the leader eventually..no matter who the leader is. Better to watch ourselves and behave in a more sane, thinking fashion.
man who was just like Obama, a big time liar and a cheat. He turned out to be a small time liar and cheat; at any rate, still a liar and cheat.
mabe you should pick you friends with a little more intelligence. I suppose you're a Bush/Cheney/McCain supporter too. You need to pick YOUR politicians with a LOT more intelligence.
Gosh now if he would just tell the DNC to give the nomination to the one who actually got the most votes we might even actually get universal health care
I'm voting for McCain just in the hope that no one in government will be able to do anything at all
That is the best you can even hope for anymore that they do nothing
...then you'd better look at the dems. McCain has ramrodded some of the hardest legislation through Congress in the last 30 years. He has spent his career going to the middle to get things done. So, if you think he will do nothing, you'd better listen to this guy, who has been walking the walk in government for the last three decades because he does not have any kind of record sitting on his ass. How anyone arrives at another conclusion is bewildering.
Oh, come on, EssPee. The only thing that McCain has ever ramrodded is his own pleasure stick.
Nobody said friend; learn to read Obama lover.
The media has done this country a terrible injustice by putting the two worst possible candidates up for the office of president. You undoubtedly will be hanging on Obama's leg every step of the way, and that's OK, a lot of gullible idiots are doing the same thing. You will realize your mistake after it's too late. McCain offers nothing, being the unmitigated ass-hole he is. Just another lying, cheap politician with a phony background and a well-heeled wife.
Think I'll do a write-in. There's no other alternative.
Obama was selected as the nominee. More people cast votes for Hillary.
She should have been the nominee - apparently, she will not be. And democrats WILL be sorry.
ABC’s Good Morning America interviewed Bill Clinton this weekend:
Q: Do you personally have any regrets about what you did campaigning for your wife?
A: [Pause, shakes head] Yes, but not the ones you say, and it would be counterproductive for me to talk about it. There are things I wish I’d urged her to do, things I wish I’d said, things I wish I hadn’t said. But I am not a racist, I never made a racist comment, and I didn’t attack him personally.
Democrats should take this as a hint that party unity will not be forthcoming, at least not beyond the superficial. Bill Clinton, at least, has not forgiven his treatment as a racial pariah during the latter part of the primary campaign, nor has his mood improved much. Neither he nor Hillary have rushed to Obama’s assistance yet, and except for the most cursory of statements of support, the Clintons have almost cloistered themselves over the last two months.
Ironically, Bill may find vindication in John McCain’s pushback on Barack Obama’s race-card play this week. McCain pounded Obama for the last several days after Obama accused McCain and Republicans for attacking him because he doesn’t “look like all those presidents on the dollar bills … and [he has] a funny name”. Even his own advisers were forced to acknowledge that Obama wasn’t talking about powdered wigs, and a majority of voters in a Rasmussen poll blamed Obama for smearing McCain.
McCain’s victory on this point should suggest a re-examination of the Bill-as-race-card-player meme of the primaries. Obama’s attack now looks like a pattern. He wants to pose as a post-racial candidate, but whenever anyone criticizes him too effectively, Obama retreats behind a my-opponents-are-racists defilade. Bill can hope that McCain’s victory and exposure of this strategy will retroactively give people a chance to reconsider their previous condemnation of his own behavior.
And the reverse is also true. Bill’s continued and impassioned defense against these charges help bolster McCain’s efforts this week. That’s why Clinton told ABC that the conversation would be “counterproductive”, but he couldn’t restrain his anger for very long in the event. The “post-racial” pose is collapsing, and it benefits both McCain and Bill Clinton.
hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/why-bill-clinton-may-cheer-john-mccain
It don't matter who the demonrat candidate is. If it was Jesus,
Son of God, Christ, he still would not be suitable for us repubs.
Lack of political experience would still be only one of the reasons.
His name sounds a bit too middle eastern, and his skin tone is too dark.
We all are going to rally around our man McCain, even if he is a RINO,
and he should be theone the libnazis choose as heir to the presidentcy.
Truth be told, you are the lowlife of this board. Liar & bigot are in your title.
You hate it that Obama can look into his stance on things and then change his mind. Your old boy cannot even remember his stance on most subjects.
'Truth be told, you are the lowlife of this board. Liar & bigot are in your title.'
You haven't been able to demonstrate either and I have proven that you are both, as well as an idiot.
'ou hate it that Obama can look into his stance on things and then change his mind.'
I hate that this lying con artist has so many willing dupes, eager to be told sweet, sweet nonsense because they want to hear it.
'Your old boy cannot even remember his stance on most subjects.'
Your child's stances change by the hour. No one can keep track of his flipflops anymore. His words simply mean nothing and since he has no record other then sleaze in Chicago. You can't elect someone on promises, especially after they have shown themselves to be a liar.
'If it was Jesus,
Son of God, Christ, he still would not be suitable for us repubs.'
The whole point, you un-clever idiot, is to not to elect someone pretending to be the messiah. Sorry if I think your pandering liar is a false prophet.
What a shame.After wading trough pages and pages of posts organized by the republican smear campaign department,outsiders are left with a vague sense of the growing insanity that seems to emanate from the republican electoral campaign .Is it a sign of dispair or a lack of belief in yout own values that you need to post these rants here ?
Probably so,I even notices some calling Obama ,Fanny Mae and freddy Mac socialists and socialist institutions .I noticed how these campigners shrunk the career of Obama to 143 days in Congress,how the military career of McCain was inflated out of proportions,how your country seem to slip into a state of media warfare that looks a lot like a civil war,a growing tendency towards a complete polarisation of the minds,in which one side lost all ability to communicate beyond lies,smear,insults .
This kind of postings puts them to shame .Let me add that even comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears is shaefull.There is no comparing these figures,once Obama opens his mouth only retards can't figure out the difference.
hath vaporized; dead even they now be
McCain's camp constantly taking the low road, but, hey, he's a POW!
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