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Biden 'uniquely suited' to be running mate, Obama says (Roundup)
By Chris Cermak Aug 23, 2008, 20:57 GMT
U.S. Senator Joe Biden (Democrat- Delaware) EPA/STEFAN ZAKLIN
Washington - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama on Saturday praised Joe Biden, his pick for vice president, as a man capable of changing the culture of politics in Washington despite his 36 years in the national legislature.
'For decades, he's brought change to Washington but Washington hasn't changed him,' Obama said, introducing Biden at their first joint rally in Springfield, Illinois. 'He's uniquely suited to be my partner as we work to bring our country back on track.'
Obama's campaign had revealed the veteran Delaware Senator Biden - one of the party's leading voices on foreign policy - as his running mate in the early hours of Saturday morning in a text message sent to supporters.
Biden described his working class roots growing up in Scranton, Pennsylvania and told supporters he had the same 'kitchen table' discussions about hard economic times as everyone else. Obama's campaign hopes that Biden's history will help with blue-collar Americans who have been slow to warm to the Democrat's campaign.
Biden praised Obama's Republican rival John McCain as a friend who 'wants to do right by America,' but lashed out at the Arizona senator for aligning himself with the policies of President George W Bush.
'You can't change America when you know your first four years as president will look exactly like the last eight years of George Bush's presidency,' Biden said.
The Obama-Biden Democratic ticket made its first public appearance outside the state house in Springfield, where Obama got his political start in the state legislature and launched his presidential bid last February.
Obama's announcement of Biden as running mate ended weeks of speculation. US media broke the story only about three hours before the official text messages and email were sent out, a sign of just how closely guarded Obama's campaign had managed to keep the secret.
Biden, 65, is a longtime senator from Delaware and chairman of the upper house's Foreign Relations Committee. He is an expert in international relations who travelled to Georgia this month in the middle of the country's conflict with Russia, and will likely appeal to voters sceptical of Obama's foreign affairs credentials.
'Joe Biden is what so many others pretend to be: A statesman with sound judgement, who doesn't have to hide behind bluster to keep America strong,' Obama said.
But Biden will come under fire for some comments made about Obama during his own brief presidential run this year. Biden questioned whether the 47-year-old Illinois senator was experienced enough, arguing the presidency was not 'on-the-job training.'
McCain called Biden Saturday morning to congratulate his long-time Senate colleague on being picked, even as his campaign released a ready-made television advertisement that used Biden's own comments critical of Obama.
'There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden,' Ben Porritt, a spokesman for Republican rival John McCain, said in a statement.
Biden alluded to his reputation as a Washington insider in his Springfield speech, arguing that times had changed since he first entered the Senate in 1972.
'In all my years in the Senate, I have never ever in my life seen Washington so broken,' Biden said, praising Obama as a pragmatist who was best able to end the partisanship that had prevented progress in Washington.
'There's something about this guy that allows him to bring people together like no one I've ever seen,' Biden said.
Even for some McCain supporters, the addition of Biden and his foreign policy expertise to the Democratic ticket brought a sense of relief.
'I'm for McCain but I think Obama is going to win because of the Bush-Cheney problem,' said Kendall Johnson, 69, a Denver businessman who is disappointed in Bush. 'I want the next president and vice president to be as strong as possible.'
The Democrats gather at their party convention in Denver, Colorado, beginning Monday to formally nominate Obama. Biden is slated to speak Wednesday night.
Praise for Biden came in from his Senate colleagues throughout the day, including from New York Senator Hillary Clinton, whose own supporters may be disappointed the former first lady was not chosen herself after an epic primary battle with Obama for the party nomination.
One of Biden's possible drawbacks is an outspokenness that has gotten him into trouble in the past, but it was Obama who committed the first minor gaffe for the new Democratic ticket when he introduced his running mate.
'Let me introduce to you the next president - the next vice president - of the United States of America, Joe Biden,' he said.
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Biden is obviously part of the establishment. But, lets hope he can convince half of the U.S. that their strategy of mass killing muslims is simply the wrong thing to do ...
... or the U.S. can continue on its present course.
Either way it is a win-win situation: On the one hand the Dems will fight a disenfranchised Republican constituency full of Fundamentalist Christians which will rip the fabric of the U.S. society because Fundamentalist Christians have a purpose and need a franchise. Or, on the other hand Republicans can win and the sore that is the muslim-killing evangelist will grow and grow until it rips the fabric of the U.S. society. Either way, in order to solve the problem something dramatic has to happen. Pacifying Fundamentalist Christians in their bloodletting for world-hegemony simply will not work.
I can not think of a time in history where this circumstance has happened before. However, if Fundamentalist Christians become more militant then it may be similar to the Third Reich right before they really took off in power. Only time will tell if it will go in that direction. The next 30 years should prove interesting. Bush unleashing a new world order, I think he said that once.
'Pacifying Fundamentalist Christians in their bloodletting for world-hegemony simply will not work.'
Please note that the author of this drivel is a muslim attention whore who has compared the USA and Christians to Nazis and sought to legitimize the savagery of islamic terrorists on this forum.
Please also note that this thing wants an Obama presidency. What does that tell you about Obama.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8
'who has compared [] Christians to Nazis'
Before and after WWII, Germany was a Christian nation. Did those Christians just disappear during WWII? Where did they go? The same thing can happen to the United States. The United States is not immune to such things.
'and sought to legitimize the savagery of islamic terrorists'
There is no legitimacy to islamic terrorists (for the current situation). They are absolutely illegitimate and should be executed. Ferreting them out amongst the world's population is the job of law enforcement. However, it is theoretically sensible that terrorism is a consequence of the opposing force of highly organized nationalistic military forces. So, in that regards the U.S. is their own worst enemy. And, militarily speaking, one has to acknowledge the terrorist strategy. It is very akin to gorilla warfare, which use to be thought of as an illegitimate military strategy but proved itself well against the might of the U.S. military during the Vietnam war.
'attention whore'
Could be, but no more than President Bush, Obama, Biden or anyone that talks or writes a lot. I suppose the Beetles were attention whores in the music industry too. Brittany Spears is an attention whore. Being an attention whore is not bad by itself.
But, the important thing is: I don't lie, cheat and mass kill like President Bush does.
'Please also note that this thing wants an Obama presidency'
Actually ... since you think I am an Islamic terrorist sympathizer then I would naturally want McCain and Bush because they fester up the fight the most and that is what Islamic terrorist, or any terrorist, loves the most ... a good fight.
' Did those Christians just disappear during WWII? '
Nazism was not a Christian movement. Islamism is a Muslim movement...
Islamist teachings are behind the savagery that islamic terrorism have dolled out to humanity. Christian teachings have nothing to do with Nazism.
'There is no legitimacy to islamic terrorists (for the current situation). '
The 'current situation'?
'it is theoretically sensible that terrorism is a consequence of the opposing force of highly organized nationalistic military forces.'
No, it is not, It is a consequence of the teachings of mohammad. This has been demonstrated to youa dozen times. Should I post the quotes from the Koran again?
You see people, this is what he does. He seeks to excuse the actions of the terrorists by blaming the response of it's victims.
'Could be, but no more than President Bush...'
When he starts posting tracts of stupidity and moral equivalence here to excuse islamist murder and terrorism Ill point it out to him as well.
'Being an attention whore is not bad by itself.'
You are also an idiot, terrorist supporter and coward. Add attention whore to the mix and you get a thoroughly miserable POS.
'I don't lie,'
Yes you do. When you have something demonstrated to you in a waythat you can't refute and you pop up and make the same failed argument on the next thread that is a lie because you are posting something proven to be false,
'McCain and Bush because they fester up the fight the most and that is what Islamic terrorist, or any terrorist, loves the most ... a good fight.'
No, what they want most is appeasement and victory and they know Obama is a weak appeaser who will give them a reprieve and McCain will finish the job that was dumped on us on 9/11/01.
You say: '...author of this drivel is a muslim attention whore'
What a fine, loving, Christian thing to say about someone you have never met. But, suspecting you are one of those Fundamentalist Christian Bible humping Republican wingnuts, nothing else could be expected from a whore who is worse than Rahab.
'Islamism is a Muslim movement'
Duh. Islam is the religion and its members are called muslim. No controversy there. Except, for the fact that you implicitly equate Islam with terrorism and that is where you fail.
But, you probably meant: 'Islamic terrorism is a movement whose members are muslims'. That is definitely true. Just as the KKK is a christian american movement whose members are christian. But, just as all christians are not KKK members, all muslims are not members of islamic terrorist organizations.
'Nazism was not a Christian movement.'
... well, actually ... Nazis came from German citizens who were predominately christian before and after WWII. I guess you could say those christians were possessed by daemonic spirits during WWII, but why beat around the bush. Many Nazis went to christian churches. They were christians. It was a christian movement because it was moved by christians as members of that organization.
You are just frustrated because you are having a difficult time convincing me that all muslims are bad and all christians are good. Well, you will have to continue to be frustrated. I hope you are able to get over your anger and frustration and are able to live in peace with muslims and with christians. Remember: only about 1/3, or 100 million christians, in the U.S. want to kill muslims. The rest of the population (christians included) are probably as peace loving as I am.
' Islam is the religion and its members are called muslim. No controversy there. Except, for the fact that you implicitly equate Islam with terrorism and that is where you fail.'
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
'But, you probably meant: 'Islamic terrorism is a movement whose members are muslims'. That is definitely true. Just as the KKK is a christian american movement whose members are christian. '
Again, take a look at the above quotes, know that there are many many more that command muslims to wage Jihad against the infidel... Now show me the equivalent in the Bible. (We have been down this road before. You can't, There isn't any. Prove me wrong.)
The KKK was not a 'Christian movement', by the way.
'Nazis came from German citizens who were predominately christian before and after WWII. '
Again, when Christians murder it is against the teachings of Christ. When muslims murder the infidel it is with the endorsement of mohammad. Don't you get it?
'Many Nazis went to christian churches. '
Perhaps, but they weren't abiding by the teachings of Christ. Nazism was using the writings of Neitche as a fig leaf for their crimes. They thought they were beyond good and evil. Many Christians were also persecuted by the Nazis.
'You are just frustrated because you are having a difficult time convincing me that all muslims are bad and all christians are good. '
No, not at all. I don't believe that 'All muslims are bad', just that all observant ones are following a belief that is inherently dangerous to non muslims. It is nothing against the people, it is the theology that divides humanity into 2 groups, the pure deen and the dirty kuffar that is the problem. The sooner this is recognized and the sooner it is no longer used as an excuse by you and others for slaughter and savagery that occurs on a daily basis all over the world the sooner people will no longer think that the people who follow islam are bad, just the ideas from a long dead slave owning pedophile thief were. See?
'I hope you are able to get over your anger and frustration and are able to live in peace with muslims and with christians. '
There have been islamist attacks with people killed in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives all since 9/11/01.
People are going to be 'angry' about that. As of this morning there have been 11,710 deadly islamist attacks since 9/11/01. That is going to make people angry. Americans have the means to fight back, if not we would probably have wound up like the Sudanese in Darfur.
'Remember: only about 1/3, or 100 million christians, in the U.S. want to kill muslims.'
Well, setting aside the sheer idiocy of that, if they did it would be against the teaching of Christ. What percentage of the billion muslims want to kill the kuffar with mohammads blessing? 1/3?
'The rest of the population (christians included) are probably as peace loving as I am.'
If you were peace loving you wouldn't be trying to morally equate the crimes of the islamists with anything else.
What a load of absolute shit these posers are.
We are supposed to be talking about two prats jockeying for place as Cub Pack Leader YOO-ESS-AAA, NOT discussing some idiotic, mythical and juvinile crap masquerading under the obscene names of Islam or Muslims - these are the vile scumbags who make their women walk about in bedsheets with eye slots or at the very minimum put a piece of rag on their heads.
Why on Earth civilised Western people should devote a single minute on some mythical abstract nonsense is beyond belief.
Scum like LANCE and his cohorts (good name - he needs one stuck up his arse) should be treated like virmin and ignored. Let them wallow in their shitty religious fantasies. Who gives a monkeys bollock what Islam means to them ? If they want to devote their miserable lives to some bloody fairy story, then be my guest.
Let them bonk their boneheads on the mosque flor in one direction and point their arses to the sky in another - who cares ? Just make sure fi you are going to do that, to point your arse in the right direction - it does make a difference.
SO PLEASE - all you civilised and educated people, concentrate on civilised matters, namely the subject under discussion and let these religious arseholes carry on with their wild fantasies.
Isn't it wonderful to live in a world where freedom of religion, human rights, good deeds, never ending forgiveness, a deep rooted respect for all humankind, hope that never dies, dreams that come true, peace and understanding, non-existent foul language, the striving for self improvement, the wiping out of all forms of torture and abuse, dramatic drops in crime, a oneness with all things is realized, and just plain doing the right things are our heritage and future?
Oh yeah, a combination of youth and wisdom, what a formula for success.
Relax, have a good laugh, experience some good times, and remember to save your planet! :)
I probably forgot something: be prepared!
Well let a muslims view point chip in....i am an afghan and a muslim....ppl of my country have not gone to america or canada to kill ppl its you who have come here to subjugate my people....see ur forces have again done mass slaughter killing hundred ppl including 50 children,remember we are afghans first and muslim later and we can wait generations to take revenge...ur forces bomb from air because they are no good against taliban on ground.....so equation is more simple more u kill more will rise to fill the vaccum and voilence will go on....from afghan prespective if some ones brother and sister is killed by foreigner his life ends till ke takes the revenge .this is called pashtun wali......remember these terrorists today were americas holy warriors against soviets if u have forgotten see rambo 3 movie
'Want more from the Koran lance?'
No thank you.
It is not important what you say, it is important what you do. As long as you do not kill muslims, or support people that do kill muslims, then you are not part of the problem.
However, if you kill muslims and you are christian then that reflects upon your religion. It is what you do, not say, that defines who you are. You can not kill a muslim with one hand and preach kindness with the other hand and expect me to not see both hands.
what is terrorism...my frnd who is trying to equate islam with terrorism seems to b a jew...i want to ask him what for the nitorous haganah was created by isrealis .i was to confiscate land and drive palestinians out of their homes...well if ask u ppl a question if more than half of american think that war in iraq is unjust then ppl who are fighting americans are automaticaly just...terrorism is a smoke screen in whose cover america is pursuing the agenda of robbing weak nations of their resourses especially oil...they havent spared turkey who is the most close to american ideals and are destabilizing it by kurds....well if an american pilot drops a daisy cutter bomb to kill hundreds in smart manner it is what they call justice but if any relative of those killed resist them or blew himself up to kill american soldiers he is suppose to b a terrorist...this is what that statue of liberty stands for i advice u take that beacon and give him a sword with dracula teeth
To answer your question directly:
Yes, your supposition is correct.
Dropping cluster bombs, daisy cutter bombs, nukes, napalm, and anything else is done by good christian folk who pilot B52s and other vehicles that deliver the word of jesus and peace. You just don't know it yet.
Blowing yourself up is suicide and that sends you directly to hell.
So it goes with the christian mind. It is completely arbitrary. You do not have any say in it and it is not rational. It is just the way it is. Jesus provides you with a choice: You can die at the tip of a bullet or bomb without ever knowing the salvation of jesus, or you can convert and then watch other pagan people make the same choice.
It is not a kind world and I am sure christians do not like the reality of their actions posed in such blunt terms, but that is essentially the way it is. Sorry about that.
If you are really good they might give you food once in a while too.
....because, about 8 weeks ago, in a WSJ editorial, Peggy Noonan suggested and old white guy (...like Biden..) as a running mate when the party was gushing over the 'dream ticket' of obama and Clinton.
Word around the campfire was that the Clinton Foundation would never stand a vetting in public, given some of the doners and their circumstances, golly what a surprise, and that the Clintonistas would undermine Obama every moment he was in office. I think her exact words were 'she'd poisen his tea...'
...god, I love that paper!
This being the case, it speaks volumes to a guy who is presented as so capable, yet proves to be so unimaginiative, that he must suck his campaign advice from the pages of a major daily.
Perhaps he can thank Rupert murdoch?
What a load of infantile crap some of you spout.
There is Lance and his nutters prattling on about that ultimate in superstitious rubbish - Islam and the Muzzies and that prick-head from Afghanistan puking out some stone age grime about an eye-for-an-eye.
The whole damned lot of you are loonies. SP4 is the only sane intelligent person on this site. I reckon HE would make a superb President.
Would`nt it be great if we could have that peanut brained peanut vendor
Jimmy Carter back in November ? Then we would only have to endure a Barnum and Bailey`s circus act of perpetual cock-up`s until the next
embarrassing fiasco in 4 years time.
Bugger the country, let`s have a laugh. At least we could sleep easy at night knowing that some Muslim, terrorist-loving nigga was not in the White House.
YOUR name says it all!
These pages used to be full of the constant duelling between SP4 and that infantile turd-ball Tonni from Belgium.
Now, Tonni seems to have disappeared off the radar screen.
I guess all this lunatic behavior has driven him conkers and he`s taken refuge in a Belgium nut-house with his PC chained to the wall in a separate cell, under armed guard.
Never mind, here`s the good news, we still have poor old SP4 plodding on against all odds with his infinite and unsurpassed superior wisdom, even though it is far over the heads of these imbecilic morons pouring out their crap to bore the arse off everybody.
ahh ha the poor guys name barack hussain obama is causing jitters amongst the jewish community even he has categoricaly said he is christian....y are jews weary of him....even lets suppose he is a muslim which he isnt ...even then does some bodys religion or a race a problem in a country who champions freedom and justice...i fear the jews might try to harm him as they killed kennedy on questioning israels right to go nuclear.......about muslims and christian debate ..the media has done a lots to propaganda about taliban but y a christian lady who spents few days with them turns to islam i am talking a riddley who has written a book in the hands of taliban and a muslim lady doctor afia is kept in guantanamo bay prison and bagram jail with her 5 and 8 year old children on terrorism charges.....her kids are still in the hands of american crusaders .well if 5 and 8 years boys can be terrorists that too brought up in american enviroment i fear americans have no moral values to preach justice across the globe
Bugger of back to your shitty pile of sand and mountains which make up that pox-hole called Afghanistan, rag-head and stop trying to write English. It is atrocious. My dog could do better.
Go make the camels happy, you probably smell and look the same.
I take umbrage with the statement regarding the unsurpassed superior wisdom of SP, but it would be refreshing to have Noharness back as well. Just wait 'till Mac decides on a VP, and watch the spin doctors construct their web. The Repubs will be singing his praises from the rooftops while digging the knife in deeper in the backs of the Dems. Interesting dialog albeit fodder for comedy central to say the very least - stay tuned.
“It is not important what you say, it is important what you do”
Gee lance,, some of your fellow practitioners of the religion of peace seem to think otherwise and a few are sounding off here. Not very disciplined on the message control. Yes, inciting people to commit murder is important, which is what the Koran does.
“However, if you kill muslims and you are christian then that reflects upon your religion.”
Never said I was a “good” Christian.
“You can not kill a muslim with one hand and preach kindness with the other hand and expect me to not see both hands.”
The point you are avoiding is that islam is an inherently violent and belligerent religion. Christianity is not. That some “Christians” are inherently violent and belligerent is of course the case, but they can’t point to their religion as justification for it. Is a muslim is inherently violent and belligerent he can point to his religion as justification for his actions as long as he is murdering the “correct” people. Kufar, apostates etc…
“Blowing yourself up is suicide and that sends you directly to hell.”
Not according to your religious texts.
“So it goes with the christian mind. It is completely arbitrary.”
No, you are being deliberately obtuse at this point. This is usually the point where you have run out of any legitimate rebuttal that you run away to repeat your pathetic attempt at moral equivalence on another thread.
You are proven wrong again, yet you will run away, you defend those who want to force sharia law down other peoples throats yet you won't live under it yourself.. You truly are a coward.
'ahh ha the poor guys name barack hussain obama is causing jitters amongst the jewish community even he has categoricaly said he is christian....y are jews weary of him....even lets suppose he is a muslim which he isnt ...even then does some bodys religion or a race a problem in a country who champions freedom and justice...i fear the jews might try to harm him as they killed kennedy on questioning israels right to go nuclear.......'
LOL,
The conspiracy theory is the first refuge of the primitive mind. It doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to help you to keep believing what you want to believe in the face of overwhelming evidence.
As far as my knowledge stretches Biden is a good choice as a running mate for vice presidency .Being popular with the working class he will bring in extra votes for Obama ,especially as he has issued out of the working class himself apparently .even McCain applauded the choice .
Aah, tonny, back to the refreshing topic at hand. What an entrance...
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KYJurisDoctorAug 23rd, 2008 - 23:04:08
You mean 'president Biden'!?
osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-obama-officially-introduces-joe. html#links
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