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Obama, McCain clash over Iraq, Iran in first debate (Roundup)
By Mike McCarthy and Frank Fuhrig Sep 27, 2008, 3:38 GMT
US Republican presidential candidate John McCain (L) and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (R) shake hands after debating at the Gertrude C. Ford Center for the Performing Arts on the University of Mississippi campus at Oxford, Mississippi, USA 26 September 2008. EPA/SHAWN THEW
Washington - Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain clashed in their first debate Friday night over the war in Iraq and whether the next person to occupy the White House should meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The two candidates disagreed sharply over the future course in Iraq, with Obama pitching his plan to set a timeframe for withdrawing most US combat forces from Iraq. McCain charged that any premature pullout would allow Iraq to slide into chaos and endanger US interests in the region.
'You were wrong,' Obama told McCain, who supported President George W Bush's decision to invade Iraq in March 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein's regime.
McCain sought to emphasize Obama's lack of experience by saying that some of the foreign policies his opponent advocates are 'naive' and 'dangerous.'
'I'm afraid Senator Obama doesn't understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy,' McCain said of the success that has been achieved in Iraq since Bush launched the buildup of US troops there in January 2007.
Obama and McCain held the first of three planned presidential debates at the University of Mississippi ahead of the November 4 election.
It marked the first time voters saw the men on stage together to discuss mostly foreign policy issues, but not until after the candidates outlined their positions on the financial crisis plaguing the US economy and sending shockwaves through global markets.
McCain, 72, was seen as having an advantage over the 47-year-old Obama on foreign policy, while polls show voters favouring Obama on the economy, which has become the top amid this month's Wall Street failures.
Both appeared confident in addressing both topics, and there was no clear-cut winner after the 90-minute exchange.
Obama said it was necessary to engage in dialogue with US foes to find areas of compromise and steadfastly defended his position of being open to meeting with Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be wiped off he map.
'Without preconditions you sit down across the table from someone who has called Israel a stinking corpse,' McCain said. 'This isn't just naive, it's dangerous.'
Both candidates blamed Bush for mismanaging the war following the ousting of Saddam's regime, but McCain touted the success of Bush's troop surge last year in bringing down violence in Iraq and said he had supported the move long before the president endorsed it.
'This strategy has succeeded, and we are winning in Iraq,' McCain said.
'John, you like to pretend that the war started in 2007,' Obama said, noting that more than 4,000 US soldiers have died in the conflict on which the United States has spent nearly 1 trillion dollars.
The debate started with a discussion of the financial crisis and Bush's 700-billion-dollar plan to rescue the troubled financial sector.
'We have to move swiftly, but we have to move wisely,' Obama said.
Both candidates said that they backed Bush's plan - which would be the costliest government intervention into the free market in US history - but revealed little about their differences on the plan that is now being negotiated in Congress.
McCain called for consolidation of regulatory agencies that failed to prevent the current crisis on Wall Street and said that it was vital to 'get spending under control in Washington,' touting his record of opposing wasteful use of tax money and suggesting that a freeze in new spending for most federal programmes would be a good idea.
Obama called the current crisis a 'final verdict' on the eight- year Bush administration and accused McCain of supporting the economic policies of Bush, who has the worst approval ratings of any president in more than 30 years.
The two men also differed over tax policy and the role of the federal government in the economy.
McCain said he would ensure that the US military has the necessary resources to finish off the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, while Obama sought to tie the failure to capture terrorist leader Osama bin Laden to Bush's decision, with the support of McCain, to invade Iraq.
McCain criticized Obama for not taking a tougher stance last month after Russia invaded Georgia in the dispute over the Georgian breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
'He doesn't understand that Russia committed serious aggression against Georgia,' McCain said.
Both candidates reaffirmed their support for allowing Georgia and another former Soviet state, Ukraine, to join the NATO alliance.
'Our entire Russian approach has to be evaluated because a resurgent and very aggressive Russia is a threat to the peace and stability of the region,' Obama said. 'Their actions in Georgia were unacceptable.'
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McCain made the case that he had the most experience and would not need any on-the-job training as Commander in Chief.McCain more than held his own when the discussion centered on the economy. Obama repeatedly called McCain, 'John.' That struck me as odd, because two Senators in debate would never call each other by their first names.
At debate, McCain needles Obama over faux White House seal
(Abridged)
OXFORD, Miss. - It’s the seal that just keeps on giving.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain needled White House rival Barack Obama again on Friday for using a seal earlier in his campaign that mirrored the one used by the U.S. president. The exchange was prompted by ribbing from Obama over McCain’s refusal to commit to a meeting with the prime minister of Spain if he wins the November 4 election. [...]
McCain, who was in the middle of criticizing Obama for being willing to meet with U.S. foes, reacted sharply.
“I’m not going to set the White House visitors schedule before I’m president of the United States,” he said. “I don’t even have a seal yet.”
The Obama seal, which the Illinois senator used at a campaign event in June, had a picture of a bald eagle on it and an inscribed phrase that read “Vero Possumus,” a Latin expression that roughly translates to the campaign’s slogan, “Yes, we can.”
The seal drew some ridicule for being presumptuous and the campaign never used it again.
blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/09/26/at-debate-mccain-needles-obama-ove r-faux-white-house-seal/
McCain looked like a little kid trying to have his last word. He was snide and laughing at Obama's remarks. Obama seemed much more polished and confident. McCain kept delvng into the past to the point of boring.
'McCain looked like a little kid trying to have his last word.'
Bull, Obama interrupted McCain and even the debate moderator. He just wouldn't shut the hell up when it wasn't his turn.
'He was snide and laughing at Obama's remarks. '
Obama is an idiot who deserves to be laughed at, not that McCain did. John McCain had the decency to refer to Barry Hussein as 'Senator Obama'. BO called Senator McCain 'John'.
'Obama seemed much more polished and confident'
If by that you mean he kept grunting 'unnnnh, unnnnh, unnnnh, unnnnh' then yeah... If you mean that he had anything articulate to say... Nope.
Favorite line...McCain
There are advantages to having experience and knowledge.
I think McCain started out so-so on the economic side, then warmed up. He needs work though; for one thing, needs to look at Obama when going after him.
McCain did hammer him on $900m in earmarks and $800b in new spending. Obam couldn't name a single thing to cut, just the obligatory vague promise to cut failed programs. When's the last time he ever voted against pork or offered up a program to cut?
I just wish McCain would have cut Obama off a few times when Obama kept interrupting. Obama acted childish, frankly I thought McCain won the debate handily in the eye of the public. i'm sure the MSM will gloat over how Obama held his own.
'i Have a bracelet too,,' THAT was a sneer at McCain's genuine, heartfelt concern for American soldiers,,I hate zerobama even more than ever,,
Obama can’t remember the soldier’s name on his bracelet. Look at the video, he had to look at what his bracelet said.
the from the rah-rah team of the lunatic fringe, a real assessment of the debate shows that McCain's real name is McLame.
I thought McCain did better. Obama is so arrogant.
Posted 9/26/2008 10:21 PM CDT on Des Moines Register (Abridged)
It was one of the most substantive debates in recent presidential campaign history and John McCain won it. The Arizona senator was cool, informed and forceful in Friday’s first presidential debate of the general election campaign.
He repeatedly put Barack Obama on the defensive throughout the 90 minutes session. Obama did little to ease voter concerns that he’s experienced enough to handle foreign and defense policy. That was his number one task Friday night and he failed.
Instead he was often his old meandering self, unable to state a quick, forceful position. Polls taken in the coming days should show McCain holding on to his trump card in the race - the view that he’s better equipped to be commander in chief. [...]
McCain’s victory came at a good time for him in the race. He has fumbled around for a week on questions involving the economy and the federal bailout of Wall Street. His vice presidential candidate has become a running joke of late night comedy shows. As a result, his poll numbers sagged.
The debate came against the backdrop of a close presidential election at a time when the country faces its greatest economic crisis since the 1930s and some of its greatest military threats since World War II. The nation’s adversaries - Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Taliban terrorists - seem to be on the ascendancy.
It has rattled Americans and between the two, McCain came off as the most reassuring. The crabby, grumbling, hotheaded McCain was nowhere to be seen. Instead we saw a calm, seasoned commander in chief . If you looked at your television and squinted slightly, you could better picture him addressing the country during a time of national crisis than Obama. Obama was often left flashing his smile and shaking his head at McCain.
McCain was expected to win on questions of foreign policy and national defense. That’s been his background. Where he routed Obama was on economic and spending questions as he repeatedly accusing Obama of using earmarks and wanting to spend too much.
When Obama tried his line about how McCain voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, McCain slapped back by ticking off a lit of issues where he has disagreed with Bush - like torture, conduct of the war in Iraq and federal spending and Guantanamo Bay. McCain never got rattled or flustered, he just constantly stayed focused on the attack.
The only good news for Obama is that any pain from this debate is likely to be short-lived....
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I thought Obama is better MCcCaine is so arrogant
McCain can not even remember his own name,he had to look on his name tag ...
Does McCain realy has the edge ove Obama in international politics ?
Consider the biggest blunerd Bush made in his eight years of presidency:the response to the WTC bombing:blaming it on Saddam,lying to you all about that,claiming ties between Saddam and Al Quaida,WMD and all the rest.Not one world leader oside the USA believed Bush on his word ,or believed the silly evidence that was fabricated by the neocons to sabotage the work the UN and Hans Blixen were doing in Iraq .Remeber Hans Blixen complaining that apperently the case for the war waz set no matter wht the UN inspections were to reveal in Iraq ?he was right,you now all know (execept the simpleminded SP4 ) that Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld endthe rest of the neocon plotters ) forged evidence to convince you .So the americans were misled to enter this war .McCain with all his experience swallowed the lies,Obama did not .So who keeps his head cool in circimstances which require careful thinking and wheighing of arguments ?
I do agree that McCain is a honest person however respectable in his choices .He certainly was not part of the plot ,had he known about it ,he probably would have opposed it too ,let us give him the benefit of the doubt .
However in the biggest blunder made by the USA in the last 30 years on the international arena Obama was right and has proven that astute judgment proved to be more accurate than to bow under the tremendous pressure exercised by the neocons and the media during the tragic events that caused this war based on lies .
Remember how those that dared to opose the war plans were labelled traitors and bad patriots in the media ?Remember how even those that should keep their statements objective jumped into the war frenzy and abandonned all restraint to participate in the war ?Obama did not ,he deserves respect for that .
Also I think his understanding of other culturs makes him a better negociator and a more respected leder .McCin carries the weight of his past mistakes regarding Iraq with him .Add to that a poor understanding of the economy and the financial markets and the choice should be clear.
McCain is bad enough, but just see how they're trying to hide Palin's ignorance.
The real question is 'Can Palin give a coherent answer to anything ?
Example-... your foreign-policy credentials... ? 'Well...our next door neighbours are foreign countries.'
Could someone explain how a neighbouring country is not a foreign country ? What does she think it is - another state of the USA ?
May America endure the tough times ahead and may the next President (whoever it is) lead us to do the right things, the just things, the truly great things.
While America's domestic attention has been on the puerile squabbling between the candidates, the World image of America has suffered greatly from the pictures of Bush on the worldwide newspaper and TV outlets.
Questioned about the bank crisis his face shows a total lack of comprehension or answers as he stares blankly at the camera with all the charisma and leadership of a scared rabbit caught in a truck's headlights
is sp4 when we need him or her or it or what ever ????
it doesn't really matter who wins the election, they are both the same arrogant and hypocrites about everything, only there to help the big money, a goverment for the rich and powerfull, not the everyday working family man drown in debts.
a goverment for the big corporations, hell bend on brainwashing and exploiding the people and waging violent imperialistic expeditions abroad to steal from the poor people of other countries, this iraq 'war' for example, was it a war? it looked more like a pirate landing of a band of criminals and murderers hell bend to steal and rape poor people, war is when you fight an equal in streangth foe! who has actually done wrong to you!
and the fact that they are still there,stealing oil and turning the place into complete chaos with millions of inoscent poor people as casualties, only proves that!
the same goes for the other so called 'war' in agfanistan.
lets call things by their name!
SP4 is out checking his Nazi credentials -
Anti-colored,
Anti-Jew,
Setting up detention camps,
Marching into other countries
Belief in being part of a master race...
Obama won hands down. McCain wouldn't keep on the subject - kept turning subjects around to what he wanted to talk about, and the moderator did a terrible job with that. McCain seems to dwell on the past, and the war in Iraq is his main objective. He wouldn't look at Obama when he was responding, and the childish smirk on his face looked like Bush!
The Republicans play their political fiddle while Rome burns...
'While America's domestic attention has been on the puerile squabbling between the candidates, the World image of America has suffered greatly from the pictures of Bush on the worldwide newspaper and TV outlets.'
We don't care.
Since you missed out the second part of my post, I will repeat it -
(Bush) Questioned about the bank crisis his face shows a total lack of comprehension or answers as he stares blankly at the camera with all the charisma and leadership of a scared rabbit caught in a truck's headlights
So this is apparently the image which you think fits America - and therefore yourself ? Perhaps the World opinion of America would improve if you did care !
Obama, not warmonger McCain, will do much to put the reputation back up where it belongs in the eyes of the world.
It really doesn't matter what the parties think at this point, most won't change, but the undecided are the keys to who wins this election. It's just the same old, same old-Republicans say McCain won the debate, Dems that Obama did.......same boring spin.
Maverick McCain will get on his horse and ride into the sunset in November along side puzzled Palin.
just listen for a slithering sound that would be him.
While listening to the debate in the United States, one thing can be determined for certain:
'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ... 'IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT', no ...
As opposing parties 'debate'. Pathetic.
..five minutes of it. McCain looke pretty good. I was actually surprised at both of them.
I don't put much stock in debates, because, if you study a candidate, you pretty much know what they believe in and what they will do in office. No debate has ever swayed me from a vote.
Nonetheless, both of them came out with something.
'Perhaps the World opinion of America would improve if you did care !'
You don't speak for the world and if you don't live here you don't have any say who our leaders are. Why is it so hard to wrap your head around that fact?
Look, foreigners want Obama because he will toss away our sovereignty, weaken us and drag us down to your level. No thanks, we don't want to live like you.
What a pathetic insular approach to life. You really ought to get out into the real World a bit more
..we like our lives here in the good old USA, especially after we threw out our goddamn colonial oppressors after shooting the piss out of them and we notice people like you tend to watch us now, as opposed to getting out more often. Curious, don't you think?
I'm going to finish my deck now.
'Peter
What a pathetic insular approach to life. You really ought to get out into the real World a bit more'
I have set foot on every continent on earth, including Antarctica. Indeed, it is because of the experiences that I have had that I am not needy and insecure enough to deliberately damage my country by electing someone who only has 143 days in the senate in order to be liked by you.
Come back with something less jr. high school then 'do this and it will make you more popular', pete. After all, you are not even all that popular yourselves....
'Look, foreigners want Obama because he will toss away our sovereignty'
It is pathetic how U.S. leaders work to install leaders in other countries that toss away those foreign country's sovereignty; but when it comes to reciprocating, U.S. people would rather kill everyone in sight than give up one ounce of autonomy. Just another example of the huge hypocrisy problem in the United States.
...it may be ironic, but it certainly isn't hypocritical. It is just pwer block politics. After all, why would anyone wnat to give up any of their soverignty?
Most of the nations you speak of do not let their citizens pick their leaders anyway. Take Iraq: citizens never had a choice who their leaders were, in the strict sense, until we gave them one.
The repubicant administration failed in the mission after 9/11 to take out osama bin laden and go after the islamic extremist terrorists who plotted 9/11 and other attacks. The Bush admin paid a military dictator over $10 billion to provide protection to al qaeda and bin laden instead. Now Al qaeda and the Taliban have created a huge narco-terrorist enclave in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And, now the republicants want to pretend that it doesn't matter. McLame tried to make Obama seem to 'naive and dangerous' because he expressed concern about the treachery of Pakistan since 9/11. McLame also said that it is not good strategy to announce to an enemy that you are going to attack. Well, it certainly is naive and dangerous to believe that Pakistan is our friend, or that getting bin laden doesn't matter; and we certainly did announce to the world beforehand that we were going to attack Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
' It is just pwer block politics'
Uh, sure. I understand: power block politics is an excuse to be dishonest, lie and be hypocritical.
It is the hypocrisy that permits people to be hypocritical and call it 'power block politics'
The same things under a different name.
SP4: It is worthless to try to educate you (and your kind) because to you a lie is simply a winning strategy and to admit to a lie would be a loosing strategy, and you are only willing to have a winning strategy.
For all you messiah supporters out there, your guy got absolutely stomped!
So what's new......the Repubs thought McCain did great, the Dems thought Obama did great. The big question is what the independents/undecideds thought. We can now look forward to more of the same on Thurs.
It took 5 pages of utter crap to get to this punch line.
Ayatollah Obama is the guy for us. Forget that old faggot McCain and his Gung-Ho attitude, it`s all over.
With a Muslim in charge of our country and destiny, what better.
Obama and Osama can have a Turkish bath together in the mountains and organise the conversion of the United States into a Muslim nation. The women can then all walk about in bedsheets with eye slits or at the least, headscarves. Second class citizens, like they should be.
MEN rule at last !
And you can all wail your guts out making poxy screeches in mosques instead of living that luxurious free American and Christian existence of the past.
Ayatollah Obama is an ideal US President to visit that stinking scumbag in charge of that fly-ridden pile of shit they call Iran - that the guy has to have a bloody name like Mahmoud Almadinejad which no decent person can pronounce, only depicts their uneducated, uncivilised and stagnated stone-aged development in human evolution. The modern cave-men.
YABBA-DABBA-DOO MAHM---- WELL WHAT THE HELL YOUR BLOODY NAME IS.
The Muslim brown-job from Illinois can get together with this Iranian piece of shit in his beloved Mosque, both stick their arses in the air towards their marvelous Mecca and discuss the entire future of American - Iranian - Iraqi - Taliban and Al Qaeda relationships.
Allah be praised and piss on you. OH SORRY I MEANT PEACE ON YOU.
I thought McCain won, but then I am biased - I happen to believe that the Surge worked, that we are now winning because of the Surge, that Obama was wrong, and Obama cannot admit it. Victory over defeat wins every time.
So there ya go…
'It is pathetic how U.S. leaders work to install leaders in other countries that toss away those foreign country's sovereignty; but when it comes to reciprocating, U.S. people would rather kill everyone in sight than give up one ounce of autonomy.'
So in order to be congruent we should we should elect who we are told to elect. Congratulations, you have shown yet again that you are an idiot. Yes, I have literally fought to keep our sovereignty and it didn't involve 'killing everyone in sight'. Indeed, it involved fighting in europe because they were too weak and cowardly to do s themselves. now we are supposed to give them a say over our freedoms? No.
'Just another example of the huge hypocrisy problem in the United States.'
Then leave, move to a country that is less hypocritical lance. Move to your sharia paradise. Indeed, the way things are going, you will have your sharia law in the UK.
(Which is why you want us to follow their example, of course.)
The insurgents just changed locations - duh!
@SP4 -
we notice people like you tend to watch us now,
Of course we do - it is just like medieval times when people got amusement from watching the lunatics in Bedlam. (if that reference is beyond your meagre education level - look it up on Google, the panacea of the thicko)
'Then leave, move to a country that is less hypocritical lance.'
If I left then the U.S. would have more hypocrisy (on a percentage basis).
If SP4 (and his kind, about 100 million people) left then the U.S. would have less hypocrisy, infact nearly none relatively speaking.
How about we make the U.S. have less hypocrisy!
'If I left then the U.S. would have more hypocrisy (on a percentage basis).'
Not at all. You see; we wouldn't have someone who defends the terrorists who wish to impose a caliphate on western civilization yet who is too much of a coward to live under the crazy theocratic thuggery that you advocate that other people live under. To me, that reeks of hypocrisy.
'How about we make the U.S. have less hypocrisy!'
I am all for improving anything as a general rule, but I have run in to your new-speak here repeatedly. In Lance's little cognitively dissonant world view, freedom is subjugation, peace is capitulation and justice is murdering the 'correct' people. 'Iraq had religious freedom before! Everyone was free to be a muslim!' ...heh
What the USA needs is an adherence to our constitution and a return to the principles of thrift, common sense and productivity. What we do not need is a surrender of our hard won, sacred sovereignty to people who have not only demonstrated that they do not care about our welfare but that they are even MORE incapable of governing themselves then we are.
But I digress, The end of Ramadan is coming up... Happy Eid... Why not spend it where it is socially acceptable to make excuses for people who fly aircraft full of people into buildings full of people?
'Of course we do - it is just like medieval times when people got amusement from watching the lunatics in Bedlam. (if that reference is beyond your meagre education level - look it up on Google, the panacea of the thicko)'
See? Peter knows what is best for American Neanderthals. Vote the way this self loathing, short pricked clown with delusions of grandeur tells you to because not only can he reference 'bedlam' but he can also pat himself on the back for doing so.
They are so sophisticated... Aren't we all impressed?
:-D
Obama stuttered, interrupted, and when faced with facts Lied.
McCain won by submission. Obama agreed with McCain 7-8 times by my count and had trouble remembering his facts. Obama showed not senatorial respect.
McCain was genuine and honest
Only through your rose-colored glasses! Obama showed the upmost respect to his elder, which he didn't deserve. The shadow of Bush was right behind McCain regardless of how much he protests that he doesn't agree with the President, and he did a lot of stretching or ignoring the truth to fit his needs. Now let's see how much trouble the next 'maverick' can make.
who cares who wins the allready meaningless elections(both guys serve the same masters) of a country with a diminishing and meaningless existance anyway.........the only scenario in which the USA actually has a future and some important role to play is only in holywood fantasies.......so who cares........
'Obama showed the upmost[sic] respect to his elder, which he didn't deserve.'
The little pup called Senator McCain 'John'. John McCain called the little pup 'Senator Obama.' John McCain has served this country in war and peace, almost giving his life for the USA. Obama hasn't served anything other then himself. McCain deserves respect.
' The shadow of Bush was right behind McCain'
Bull. That is the line that you people parrot but it is not the case.,
Mccain= vote for me cause if you don't you will die, you will perish, the world is full of people who wanna kill you, they want your blood,IM A HERO,IM YOUR SAVIOUR,I HAVE A RECORD IN SAVING AND PROTECTING THE GOOD WORLD FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD(EVIL AND DEMONIC WORLD), THE GOOD HUMANS AND PATRIOTS LIKE YOU FROM THE SICK AND EVIL DEVIL WORSHIPPERS THAT ARE ALL THE REST WHO WANT YOUR BLOOD! I HAVE A RECORD, IVE BEEN AROUND THE WORLD AND ITS ALL EVIL.........THEY WANT YOUR BLOOD, THEY WANT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING,I HAVE A RECORD..............,DON'T VOTE FOR OBAMA, HE WILL SIT WITH THE DEVIL AND DEMONS AND NEGOTIATE YOUR UNDOING AND SELL YOUR SOULS, HE WILL NOT FIGHT THE ANTICHRIST ON THE SIDE OF GOOD LIKE ME, BE AFRAID, BE AFRAID, BE AFRAID.......................
Obama= vote for me and ill will make sure that you get health care, a house to own(can't garantee that but will try), your children get a good education,fix the economy and not let the filthy rich get richer on your back, and try to bring peace and stability around the world, repair the image of the USA around the world, work with the rest of the world and try to give the USA a true vision for the future.
Yes, teacher, Obama DID show the utmost respect to McCain, and I still say he didn't deserve it during the debate. No one is questioning McCain's military service - it's been shoved down everyone's throats constantly. That doesn't excuse every a**hole remark or action he makes for the rest of his life. He snickered all during the debate like a little boy, and kept getting off the line of questioning to talk about what he wanted. I don't think the moderator did his job very well, although he did attempt to reign McCain in. As far as Obama not calling McCain 'Senator', check out McCain's maverick sidekick's lack of respect in always calling or referring to him as John. But that's a whole other story.
Did you-all know McCain was a POW. No really he was a POW, yup a POW, yes a POW. Wew-hoo!
'Yes, teacher, Obama DID show the utmost respect to McCain',
Not addressing by his title as he was addressed = not respectful.
'I still say he didn't deserve it during the debate.'
Well you are an idiot.
'it's been shoved down everyone's throats constantly. '
You don't want to hear it because Obama hasn't served anything... The only thing he has consistently done is help other people to get rich by stealing from the taxpayer. That and attend the damn America church.
'He snickered all during the debate like a little boy,'
Not that he did, but what other reaction could a real man give to the naiive and non answers your genuine little boy was giving. McCain was quite restrained.
' kept getting off the line of questioning to talk about what he wanted. '
And obama kept interrupting everyone like a classless attention whore.
' I don't think the moderator did his job very well,'
Poor fellow couldn't get a word in edgewise between Obamas 'unnnnh, unnnnh, uuuh, unnnh.'
'check out McCain's maverick sidekick's lack of respect in always calling or referring to him as John. '
Not when they are in a debate with each other. It was a juvenile attempt to pretend that they're on the same level. They are not. Obama is unqualified to share the same stage.
'FEAR! selling fear!!!!!!!!!!!'
Too bad the crappy socialized health care that you want so badly wont pay for the tranquillizer dart and the straight jacket you need.
I think that the GOP has a problem explaining to the rest of the world the embarrassing choice McCain made for the vice-president .It doesn't really show much leadership or insight to choose a person that understand absolutely nothing about the outside world,I repeat :nothing whatsoever .
When asked how living in the state closest to Russia gave her foreign-policy experience, Palin responded thus:
'It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where—where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to—to our state.'
Please stop embarrassing yourselves with any person that makes you the laughing stock all over the world .
If you want leadership and respect in the world you must choose your leaders with a lot more care.Tis also shows reading the level of arguments used by some .
'I thing McCain looked cool,Obama is so arrogant ' is not exactly showing one's intelligence to the world ,right ?
Meanwhile the even much more important issues are being obfuscated:
www.worldchanging.com/archives/008702.html
This is extremely bas news,it will probably trigger a runaway climate change that will decimate the earth's population in a few decades.You have all been warned in due time by Al Gore with as only response a smear campaign launched by the GOP and the canceling by Bush of the Kyoto protocol .The results of which your children will pay for...that is if they still survive the next decennial.
It will take a few years only before even the most thick minds start to realize that the financial crisis compares to global climate change like firework compares to a nuclear bomb.You'll have your own GOP to thank for that.
tonny from belhium...dude you drunk? You should listen to your tin foily hat speechs...you must have been told your a dick by everyone you ever met. But thats what happens when your a westernized Pak trying to justify your hate.
Goose,care to clarify ?Perhaps any argument from you to justify your remarks?I think not....just tell me what you disagree with,ok ?
Goose - before making comments, learn to spell. Don't you know the difference between ''your' & 'you're'
@ Just like medieval times? It's time you evolved.
Well you fell for it didn't you? The Bedlam reference was from my own knowledge, not Google, but I also included a deliberate mistake. You failed to spot this - thus proving my case for your meagre education.
Spotted the error yet ?
This description from someone who met McCain recently says it all - 'old, withered, small, bumbling and distinctly unimpressive'.
Obama is an electrifying force. He is understood and loved in cities such as New York and Los Angeles. But go South to a place such as Houston and you rapidly see the US remains at heart a severely conservative, racist and bigoted country - which is displayed every day by the rooted in the 50s, inward looking posters on this site.
is a typical Republicant who resorts to making disparaging remarks and name calling when someone doesn't agree with them. The maverick sidekick referred to happens to be Palin. Anyway, funny how you don't seem to have been tuned in to the same debate, but like I say - typical!
The racists, Andrew my boy, are the dems who chose Obama for President precisely because he IS black. Ask yourself if this guy would have a chance in hell if he WERE white. If he were, his name would be Edwards and he'd be dismissed back to his home state. How racist is that? The woman...she was dismissed with her paltry 18 million votes for a lifetime, obstructionist, politcal porkbarreler, who got fewer votes than the GOP VP candidate did as Mayor of Bugtussle AK.
You, Andrew now are the expeditor of the great dem premise that we have everything to fear including fear itself. Tonny says the sky is falling precisely because he heard it from Al Gore. I guess he never heard about those two brief cases from China under his desk in the 1990's. Well, you can bet Al never told him either.
Andrew, Obama is exactly what he appears to be and if living in the city makes you blind, I'd rather live where I do, thank you. Obama is the new boy-king, the messiah, golden calf, and virgin figure all in one.
Liberalism is a church Andrew, with inviolable beliefs and if they did not have this christ figure, this buddhist child-god, propped up on a carry-all, with orange-robed priests hauling him from one place to another, they'd go straight back to the most politically corrupt community in the USA (Chicago) and hunt until they found another. After all, religions know how to survive.
Electrifying the base? The only person who has done that is a white girl from Alaska, who has more experience than the golden child at executive operation. Maybe she'll run for the big chair some day.
Deeply tragic how SP4 i out of tune with reality .If Obama were white he'd have about 65 percent of the votes.But thanks again for showing your racism,even if you don't have a clue about what I mean SP4.
Could someone please translate SP4's ramblings
Paling Palin would never have been picked if she were a man!!! According to her few interviews without a scripted speech, she wouldn't have gotten out of high school. She has been a real embarrassment, and no wonder the party has now kept her out of view. This country needs more than a good looking speech giver!!
..the nation DOES need more than a gifted speaker.
That being the case, what else does Obama bring to the cookout? After all, Palin is not the one running for President.
I just think it is so cute how the left can skewer Palin for not having enough experience when she actually has more executive experience than Obama.
'I think that the GOP has a problem explaining to the rest of the world the embarrassing choice McCain made for the vice-president'
I don't think you deserve an explanation for anything 'tonny from belgium'. I think you are a tic on a dogs ass who has the audacity to think it should have some say as to where the dog sits.
'Paling Palin would never have been picked if she were a man!!! '
And obama wouldn't have ever been trotted out by his socialist handlers if he weren't black.
At least Palin has some executive experience.
'According to her few interviews without a scripted speech, she wouldn't have gotten out of high school. '
Bull. Obama travels with a teleprompter so David Axelrod, the oily little liar and George Soros, his puppet master can tell him exactly what to say.
'This country needs more than a ... speech giver!!'
Indeed, which is exactly why we can't elect Obama.
Sounds like you are the hysterical one, old man, when a couple of statements can make you go around the bend. I stand by my observations, you stand by yours, so chill out and get down off your so righteous high horse or you won't avoid a stroke before the election.
'You failed to spot this -'
Bedlam wasn't a mental hospital in what are called 'Medieval Times'. My mistake wasn't in citing it as another failed example in a long line of failed examples of government trying to socialize medicine. Indeed, now would have a 6 month wait to get into bedlam for your turn to get poked with a stick.
Medieval times it was Bethlam. 2nd deliberate error - watching the lunatics didn't happen until the 1700-1800s. (Now of course renewed as we all watch the candidates for President)
Have a nice day
What the he** do we have on this site now - a bunch of frustrated wanna be teachers???
'Medieval times it was Bethlam. 2nd deliberate error - '
I am relieved that your errors are deliberate. I guess that means that your 3rd error, believing that you are in a position to judge or have any relevant input is also a coy plot...
'Now of course renewed as we all watch the candidates for President'
Indeed, we should just dispense with these pesky elections so we too can have someone like Gordon Brown.
Thanks - I have no problem being recognised as superior to you.
'Thanks - I have no problem being recognised[sic] as superior to you. '
Or with being divorced from reality it would appear.
Meanwhile Gallup conducted a poll concerning the debate amongst the american audience .If one leaves out the partisans of both parties whose minds are already made up whatever the facts;this is the result;
www.gallup.com/poll/110779/Debate-Watchers-Give-Obama-Edge-Over-McCain. aspx
@OK Poodle - Why put [sic] after recognised - this is the correect English spelling - it is only 'recognized' in American English spoken by the restricted number in America
sp4 you keep saying we this and we that.
....who is we ?
He means me, myself and I......!
...the fact is the GOP never does very well with a guy like McCain running. he's not a conservative, and the GOP has not had much luck with the middle-of-road republicans. If folks want a democrat, they already have one to vote for. I give him a one-in-three chance. Honestly, if he wins, I'd be flabbergasted. Nonetheless, I am dismayed that Obama is not further ahead by now.
'this is the correect[sic] English spelling - it is only 'recognized' in American English spoken by the restricted number in America'
Right, we have been through this already, remember? I was just reminding Americans that there is no need to give your opinion any credence.
It's a wonder anyone has the intelligence to realize there are actually important matters in this country, can decide on a candidate and vote from the nitpicking going on here..........This next debate on Thursday promises to be a real sideshow - not to be missed, if for nothing other than the entertainment value. But, hopefully, it will give the populace
some insight into the VP candidates as well. It will certainly give rise to many more comments here - stay tuned!!
Where is the word 'correect' recognized ?
In Amereeca probably !
Surely you realise Peter is just having fun winding you up ? (which seems to be easy, judging from the responses).
Chill out a bit and stop jumping up and down everytime someone has a dig at you or points out some of your foibles
At this stage of the game, no one recognizes or realizes anything other than their own agenda regarding this election. Sarcasm wouldn't enter any one's mind, they are so eager to play Professor Einstein.
Its a matter of who licks jew a$$ the quickest and smiles to show the love on his face ... wins.
simple!
Palin was seen on TV saying that she hadn't met Biden but was looking forward to. She went on to say she hadn't seen him but had heard about him since.....gee, the 'first grade'! That was obviously making fun of his age in comparison to her age. She probably doesn't even know that McCain is in his 70's since she is so dense about most things. The debate will be very interesting - hope she can contain herself from shouting like usual! What an a**!!!
obama kept interupting cause he was getting nervous -he was so bopring i nearly went to sleep. mcain you must say your giving people more in there pocket ,offer huge tax cuts for poor,huge increase for families etc etc, and repeat it let the other side critisize but you will win easily.-then you can tackle the war and banks etc.offer more in the pocket that will make it a real fight to the end.you must have bigger tax cut than obama etc etc wake up smell the coffee obama sounds like father xmas you must counter this with huge money for the voter -wake up smell the coffe mcain-i hpoe you win
Palin manged to come from the home, and ascend to the Alaska Governor's mansion on the platform of cleaning up politicians actions in her own party, at great political and personal expense to herself.
Most of all, she was immensely successful.
Now tell us, professor, can you think of any quality greater in a prospective leader, at this very moment, than that? By all means, opine on that.
She might have gained some fame in Alaska (not many to pick from or who would probably run), but her interviews so far have showed her lacking in general knowledge and answers to questions were not even answers, but rather lame attempts to wing it - sounding like she was in another world.
You won't watch the debate Thursday as you have so firmly said you don't pay any attention to them, so perhaps you haven't seen the interviews either. You are probably just judging from her reading the early scripts. Well, a lot has gone on since then, oh wise one - you need to get with the program, but maybe you want to go down with the ship! She gave a hilarious talk about Biden - saying she hadn't met him, but had heard about him - probably since the, 'oh.(pause).......second grade'! Real cute since he's several years younger than her John. Cindy McCain sitting behind her had a good laugh over it as well. Perhaps someone should clue her in about her husband's age. LOL
swpend more on the people palin and keep repeating it in the debate how much more you will spend thanb obama-slam dunk for palin mcain ive seen alot of lazy politicians in my life and far dumber than palin will ever be.who wants to look at a blackman for 4yrs.wake up sara and john. every minute you talk about silly things that mean nothing obama is laughing-spend more on thr peopleyour polls will go through the roo-f,and obama wont know what hit him.
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the debate was child abuseSep 27th, 2008 - 03:43:19
McCain: 'policy, policy, policy'
Obbama: unnh, unnnh, well John, unnnh...
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