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should put a leash and muzzle on that b*tch Palin. She is going to cost McCain dearly. She is probably going to cost him the election. As a matter of fact, she should be taken out behind the barn and shot like the rabid dog she is. Talk like hers may go down well in the back rooms of the party, but it doesn't sit well with the voter. It is not constructive. She has produced no ideas, no platform. She is just negative, negative, negative. After 8 solid years of negativity, it is time for a change.
THERE WAS NO DEATH REPORTED IN THE BLAST..............
' She is just negative, negative, negative. After 8 solid years of negativity, it is time for a change. '
Boy, you are the little beacon of positivity: 'she should be taken out behind the barn and shot like the rabid dog she is.' Gee, that is the kind of 'change' that we don't want. Indeed, that is what the Obamas brought to chicago, where it is more dangerous as a citizen then it is as an American soldier in Iraq.
'THESE ARE THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
The fact is that you are a nut case.
'My opponent has invited serious questioning by announcing a few weeks ago that he would quote — “take off the gloves.” Since then, whenever I have questioned his policies or his record, he has called me a liar.
Rather than answer his critics, Senator Obama will try to distract you from noticing that he never answers the serious and legitimate questions he has been asked. But let me reply in the plainest terms I know. I don’t need lessons about telling the truth to American people. And were I ever to need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn’t seek advice from a Chicago politician.
My opponent’s touchiness every time he is questioned about his record should make us only more concerned. For a guy who’s already authored two memoirs, he’s not exactly an open book. It’s as if somehow the usual rules don’t apply, and where other candidates have to explain themselves and their records, Senator Obama seems to think he is above all that. Whatever the question, whatever the issue, there’s always a back story with Senator Obama. All people want to know is: What has this man ever actually accomplished in government? What does he plan for America? In short: Who is the real Barack Obama? But ask such questions and all you get in response is another barrage of angry insults.
Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?
This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.
Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.
Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, “a good idea.” Well, Senator Obama, that “good idea” has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
To hear him talk now, you’d think he’d always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign. He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them. Did he ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn’t he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place? He won’t tell you, but you deserve an answer.'
John McCain, circulated with permission
...Who is the real Senator Obama? Is he the candidate who promises to cut middle class taxes, or the politician who voted to raise middle class taxes? Is he the candidate who talks about regulation or the politician who took money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and turned a blind eye as they ran our economy into a ditch?
Is he the candidate who promises change, or is he the politician who has bought into everything that is wrong with Washington? We can’t change the system with someone who’s never fought the system.
Washington is on the wrong track and I’m going to set it right. The American people know my record. They know I am going to change Washington, because I’ve done it before. They know I’m going to reform our broken institutions in Washington and on Wall Street because I’ve done it before. They know I’m going to deliver relief to the middle class, because that’s what I’ve done. '
* My career was not launched with the assistance of an unrepentant terrorist.
* My pastor has never said 'God damn America.'
* I don't think our troops are 'just air-raiding villages and killing civilians.'
* My spouse doesn't think America is a 'downright mean country.'
* I've never sat on a board with an unrepentant terrorist.
* I've never directed millions of dollars to radical organizations.
* I've never opposed requiring medical care for babies who are born alive.
* I bought my home without assistance from a convicted felon.
* I've never taken my kids to a church whose pastor thinks AIDS was created by the government.
If he said them they are.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqaDxzgw0cI
This is something he said last winter he didn't agree with, that it means you don't have anything worth saying, that the public doesn't like it.........well, guess old John has had a change of heart, and he and his sidekick are slinging fast and furious. Guess that means they've run out of anything worth saying. The past dubious associations McMud has had are not exactly on the up and up, as well as the creep in Alaska who wanted that state to succeed from the U.S. who Palin's 'first dude' was in cahoots with. How about the questionable pastor who laid hands on Palin. We could go on and on, but that is all disgusting crap, and the public should want to hear about the candidates' stand on a few important issues. Just don't drag your mud up on the stage tomorrow night, Mac, or you could very well crap in your own nest.
the GOP Rah-Rah spam team is still at it. Same stench, same crap. There isn't anything new here to laugh at. Boring, just like McLame and the painted lady. Just old and stale like the posts and the party.
THERE IS A WAY TO INCREASE CONSIDERABLY THE AVERAGE IQ LEVEL OF ALASKA WITH A SINGLE MOVE,
TAKE PALIN TO THE ARTIC!
'IF IM NUT CASE, THEN I QUESS IF YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK YOULL FIND OUT HOW MUCH OF A (NUT CASE) YOUR ICONS REALLY ARE..'
OK, Here we go:
'FACT: UNDER REGAN RUPUBLICAN[sic] ADMINISTRATION THE TALIBAN[sic] AND ALL-QUIDA GOT OVER TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN MILITARY AID, '
Wrong, neither the Taliban nor al Qaeda existed during the Reagan Administration, The Taliban have been Active since September 1994. The Reagan administration supported the mujahadeen which dissolved mostly into what became 'the Northern Alliance'. The Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabia inflicted the Taliban and Al Qaeda on the world.
'FACT: ITS NO SECRET THAT THE IRAQ ARMY WOULD SEND FOR TRAINING REGULARLY PILOTS, EVEN THE FREAKING CHEMICAL WEAPONS THAT HUSAIN[sic] USED ON HIS OWN PEOPLE WERE MADE IN THE USA'
We were allied with Iraq until Saddam started gassing his own people. We supported Saddam in his fight against the Iranians, because the Iranians were/are even sh*ttier then he was. Saddam procured his chemical weapons in Europe (primarily by West Germany) not the USA. So that is WRONG.
' ALL OVER THE WORLD DIFFERENT TERRORISM ORGANISATIONS[sic] HAVE RECIEVED[sic] EXTENSIVE AID AND ASISTANCE[sic], MANY WERE EVEN CREATED BY THE CIA TO TOPPLE AND OVERTHROW GOVERMENETS[soc] IN MANY, MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD,'
The conspiracy theory is the first refuge of the weak mind. Regardless, what does this ave to do with Obama? Lets assume this was correct, which it isn't. would that make it OK for Obama to associate with terrorists who 'declared war' on the USA? Who murdered Americans?
'ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE PROJECTS IN WHICH BY HIS OWN WORDS MCCAIN SAID THAT HE HAS AN EXTESIVE[sic] RECORD IN BEEING[sic] INVOLVED IN ALL OF THEM,'
So can you produce any record of McCain claiming to be involved in giving al Qaeda 2 billion dollars, or selling Saddam gas, or giving aid to terrorist organizations all over the world? As you state: 'BY HIS OWN WORDS MCCAIN SAID THAT HE HAS AN EXTESIVE[sic] RECORD IN BEEING[sic] INVOLVED' in these crimes. Lets hear these words of his. Otherwise the only conclusion is that you are an insane idiot.
'WHO MANAGE TO BLOW A SINGLE SMALL PIPE BOMB KILLING ONE PERSON............'
He is a murdering terrorist, yet Obama got his start from him. Obama has called this man his 'friend'. Obama has received money and guidence from him. What does that tell you about Obama?
'CORRECTION..........
THERE WAS NO DEATH REPORTED IN THE BLAST..............'
Correction, you are wrong. The weather underground killed one police officer, blinded and maimed another. Tried to kill whole families and Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins were killed by their own bomb.
ABRIDGED FROM wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
Shortly before the demonstrations, they blew up a statue in Chicago built to commemorate police casualties incurred in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. The blast broke nearly 100 windows and scattered pieces of the statue onto the Kennedy Expressway below. The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, only to be blown up by the Weathermen a second time on October 6, 1970. The statue was rebuilt once and Mayor Richard J. Daley posted a 24-hour police guard to protect it.
Though the October 8, 1969 rally in Chicago had failed to draw as many as the Weathermen had anticipated, the two or three hundred who did attend shocked police by rioting through the affluent Gold Coast neighborhood. They smashed the windows of a bank and those of many cars. The crowd ran four blocks before encountering police barricades. [...]
The Days of Rage cost Chicago and the state of Illinois approximately $183,000 ($100,000 for National Guard expenses, $35,000 in damages, and $20,000 for one injured citizen's medical expenses). Most of the Weathermen and SDS leaders were now in jail, and the Weathermen would have to pay over $243,000 to pay for their bail...
In 1970 the group issued a 'Declaration of a State of War' against the United States government, using for the first time its new name, the 'Weather Underground Organization' (WUO), adopting fake identities, and pursuing covert activities only. These initially included preparations for a bombing of a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey in what Brian Flanagan said had been intended to be 'the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory'.
Anti-personnel bomb set on window-ledge in San Francisco
In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded. [...]
An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn's husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there.
Initial New York City Bombings
Early on the morning of February 21, 1970 as his family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at the home of New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh at the northern tip of Manhattan. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn.
Judge Murtagh was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. The side-walk in front of his home had three sentences of blood-red graffiti: 'FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.'
Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed Judge Murtagh's house, according to Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. In late November of 1970, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, now Bill Ayers's wife, promised more bombings.
On March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[24] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated due to a wiring malfunction. WUO members Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins died in the explosion....The bomb preparations have been pointed out by critics of the claim that the Weatherman group did not try to take lives with its bombings. Harvey Klehr, the Andrew W. Mellon professor of politics and history at Emory University in Atlanta, said in 2003, 'The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence. I don't know what sort of defense that is.'
on June 9, 1970, their first publicly acknowledged bombing occurred at a New York City police station, On May 19, 1972, Ho Chi Minh’s birthday, The Weather Underground placed a bomb in the women’s bathroom in the Air Force wing of The Pentagon. The damage caused flooding that devastated classified information on computer tapes.
Bill Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was quoted in an interview to say 'I don't regret setting bombs'...
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Bill Ayers is an Obama supporter/mentor.
By the same logic that you use, GW Bush is a Nazi. GW's grandaddy did business with Hitler. Therefore Himmler was a friend and advisor to GW.
Therefore GW is responsible for all the people who died in the concentration camps. Don't you see how faulty your logic is? By the same twisted thinking that you use, I can prove that Cheney murdered Christ. Hint: It wasn't a hunting 'accident.'
It was written in the stat that when the campaign would get closer to term the GOP would get into a smear campaign and drop all decency.The latest add about Obama has been analyzed by a lot of newspapers and the media outside the USA to demonstrate how scandalous the tactics used by the GOP rally are.
The add portrays Obama as saying that the US soldiers are nothing but murderers .They used his own words to do do.Problem is thatthe statement was cut out of a larger interview to retain only those words that could be glued into a false assumption.
Obama was misquoted expressly ,the words used were thus:We've got to get the job done there, and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there...this was about Afghanistan after a series of bombs were mistakenly dropped on villages and killed innocent children:
//query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9b02e2d6133df934a35751c1a9659 c8b63
These kind of events occurred on regular basis .
There is a problem in Afghanistan with the ongoing war.if children and innocent people continue to be killed and just regarded as 'collateral damage ' then this war is no longer justified and the troops will loose support from the local population,in which case the war would be lost .Obama seems to understand the problem.The mutilated sentence in which the republicans claim that Obam is accusing your troops to be just murderers ,was saying exactly that .Obama wanted to move the trops from Iraq to Afghanistan.one can eventually dispute the statement that more troops in Afghanistan would reduce the killing of innocent children,but it takes a scandalous amount of lies to turn the statement of Obama in such a smear.It demonstrated that no lie will be shunned by the GOP to fool honest people.It was done by Reagan,Nixon,Bush,Chenay and others,there seems to be no decency left anymore.The taps of smear are wide open only because these tactics are efficient ,like it or not,the minds of human pople are easy to be swayed .Palin inaugurated these tactics when she claimed Obama was friends with terrorists ,the GOP internet task force has tried to insinuate that Obama was muslim.There will be no end to the revolting smear for one month.it is a far stretch from the principle of democracy which those same people claim to defend .In the end the american people is the first and last casualty as a honest debate is rendered impossible.Hence the first question one has to ask himself in order to make a honortable choice for a president is;who is using these tactics,why ?Am I allowing myself to be fooled by such stupid arguments and statements completely taken out of context.There are times when the world outside the US are looking at you and wondering if Dr Goebbels,Hitler's propaganda minister is at work in the USA .Some of the comments and smear made here and everywhere else suggests so.
'By the same logic that you use, GW Bush is a Nazi. '
No, George Bush hasn't received money, jobs and mentoring from Adolph Hitler...
'GW's grandaddy did business with Hitler.'
No, Prescott Bush did not.
'Therefore Himmler was a friend and advisor to GW.'
Even if Prescott Bush HAD, that doesn't make any sense.
'. Don't you see how faulty your logic is'
My logic is sound. Yours is just nonsense.
'By the same logic that you use, GW Bush is a Nazi. '
No, George Bush hasn't received money, jobs and mentoring from Adolph Hitler...
'GW's grandaddy did business with Hitler.'
No, Prescott Bush did not.
'Therefore Himmler was a friend and advisor to GW.'
Even if Prescott Bush HAD, that doesn't make any sense.
'. Don't you see how faulty your logic is'
My logic is sound. Yours is just nonsense.
'By the same logic that you use, GW Bush is a Nazi. '
No, George Bush hasn't received money, jobs and mentoring from Adolph Hitler...
'GW's grandaddy did business with Hitler.'
No, Prescott Bush did not.
'Therefore Himmler was a friend and advisor to GW.'
Even if Prescott Bush HAD, that doesn't make any sense.
'. Don't you see how faulty your logic is'
My logic is sound. Yours is just nonsense.
'The add portrays Obama as saying that the US soldiers are nothing but murderers .They used his own words to do do.'
There is absolutely no 'context' which makes that OK, you idiot.
'The add portrays Obama as saying that the US soldiers are nothing but murderers .They used his own words to do do.'
There is absolutely no 'context' which makes that OK, you idiot.
'The add portrays Obama as saying that the US soldiers are nothing but murderers .They used his own words to do do.'
There is absolutely no 'context' which makes that OK, you idiot.
Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation
This quote from John McCain published in september summarizes his lack of understanding of the financial and economical situation.Nothing in it shows any clairvoyance regarding the disaster that struck the world.Worse it even it singles out the deregularization of the financial markets a a shining example of how to reform health care.
@Fix your own crappy country tonny
What is an 'add' ??
knock obama out talk about those islam killersevery 2nd day killing inocent woman these people arent human,if mcain doesnt hit obama with the truth,god will burn them in that lake of fire.obama keeps talking about poverty talk talktalk,youll have more at the end of the week with mcains policy but they keep talking about obamas stupidity-weall know hes just talk-palin mcain-we must be on the offensive with these islamofascistsvoters -you get more from mcain palin how much more-well i hope mcain palin can hammer that homthisshould have been said at that 1st debate.wake up republicans and dont smile smile after youve won.
why are you so stupid america to vote for a clown like obama-they bore me to tears those two.palin mcain -exciting good pick -more jobs more money in the pocket more for working for families look at her track record gave everybody in alaska 1200 dollars .dont blow it america this is a fantastic team agood team as sarah palin would say.
it wont be air raiding and killing in afghanistan-but usa-if we dont get rid of these evil subhimaqn islamofascists-sowe can all live in peace in the end we can do it the long way-by spending biilions killing them one by one or eventually or when we all wake up ,less expensively nuke them mcain palin for usa,
Nice to see the rambling neocons back on the forum spouting the usual nonsense about islamofascists again.McCain said he would take the discussion into the fields of international politics instead of focusing on the domestic issues .Hence these ramblings from the paranoid simpletons on how islam will take over the world if you don't vote for McCain.
I must say I appreciate the humor of the GOP;;;so the republicans are suddenly becoming the party of the blue collar worker ,right ?Just look at how the Bush government is constituted and find me one representative of the blue collar workers .And the GOP gave every Alaskan 1600 dollars ?According to the latest statistics the GOP has cost every american 35.000 dollars,including of course the present handed out to Wall Street .And the count is not over as the gift to the banks is not solving anything .
Perhaps somebody more clever than me will explain how making every US citizen 35.000 dollars poorer is going to stimulate the economy.
The way I see things giving all that money back to the people would help consumer spending.I could be wrong of course but unfortunately no genius from the GOP is standing up and delivering any argument claiming I'm wrong .Only insults,you can't solve a real problem with those.
It's Fall, the nuts are falling off the trees in droves!! McCain IS a mudslinger, and it's going to be the end of him if he can't come up with something to say about policies - most especially the economy. Palin is just fluff entertainment for the bored at this stage.
When McNasty started his negative campaigning, Obama didn't respond, but then he received criticism because he didn't. He needs to strike back somewhat, but he is trying to stay focusing on policies while McNasty's face gets redder and redder spouting off his negatism. Palin is running around as a breathless joke!
Here we have the Illinois Brown Bomber and his corner-man Geriatric Joe VERSUS John the Hanoi Songbird and his piece of female crap Poke-me Palin the Animal Killer from Alaska alias Eskimo Nell the ugliest and most molly-coddled lump of stinking shit ever to contaminate the Arctic wastes.
Who wants oil spills with this human slime-pot around ?
Whoever wins it will be one hell of a tragedy for poor old America.
JESUS CHRIST ! HOW DID YOU DO IT ?
Still it will give the world something to piss themselves laughing at - nothing new really, the Yankee-Doodle slapstick and cock-up show has been going on for decades. Only, this time it will be much, much better.
Watch out for those hernia`s you guys.
Roll up, roll up - it`s the White House stumble-bum, poke-a-joke show !
WORLD LEADERS !!! YOU COULD`NT LEAD A BLIND PIG OUT OF IT`S STY WITH THAT PILE OF SHIT, WITHOUT FALLING OVER.
Go on America, make my day - WHERE THE HELL DID YOU FIND SUCH PUTRID CRAP ?
Mr. Obama DID associate with Mr. Ayers, no matter how it inflames the libnazi elite. Palin, for all of her notoriety, is just saying what needs to be pointed out:
That Mr. Ayers is a card-carrying terrorist, and is unapologetic about it.
Does this make for a nasty campaign? If so, so be it. Campaigns are about giving the public a choice, and if it were not for the new media, no one would hear about Mr. Ayers....or Countrywide...or Mr. Rezko....or Reverend asshole.
Sorry chum, but YOU are the idiot - look in a mirror.
'Tonny from Belgium' may be some brainless Flemish faggot in a poxy little country that nobody outside Brussels has ever heard of, but ;-
America has made such an infernal mess of just about everything from Afghanistan to pissing up your own economy in a gigantic earth shattering cock-up, that even YOU lot of professional jerk-off`s need all the help you can get.
EVEN from some juvenile little arsehole from Belgium !
Look at the four pieces of shit you are going to vote for in November !
Not one of these clowns would get anywhere near a job of garbage collector in ANY other country.
So don`t be so BIG-HEADED AMERICAN - those days are over matey, you`ve just joined the rest of us in one big shitpile. Have a nice breakdown.
Glad you are not in the U.S., people like you are usually confined
in a padded room!
that the public is made aware of what involves the candidates - like Rick Davis, Chas Keating, mobster Joey Bonanno, charges in Alaska of a possible illegal firing, First Dude involved in having Alaska removed from the U.S., a crazy pastor in Alaska laying of hands on Palin who was involved in some unsavory practices. Lies and more lies - !
Goddammit you twit - WHO wants to be in the US just now ?? It`s a raving nightmare.
I`ve just told you what a shit-pot you`ve made of your country and the obnoxious insignificant bums you have to choose from to be President - that`s a joke beyond belief.
Stick your US up you`re jacksie mate and as far as a padded cell goes,
you keep it for yourself. It will be you lot that will need it for your screaming ab-dabs when you lose your savings and homes AND especially after November.
You are an International joke. Wake up. Try wishing you were Japanese and not American - you remember - they are the little yellow guys you knocked the shit out of and vaporized half their country.
WELL now BLINKERS, they are countless miles above the great USA in just about everything from gold reserves, prosperity, standard of living and technology.
YING TONG mate - have a nice cry.
Its is fact that the now called northern alliance was along with the now called taliban together, what was known as the mujahedin, you are just playing with the names..............the only difference of the two is that the mujahedin of the northen alliance wanted a separate state from the taliban who were the mujahedin of the south,THATS WHY EVENTUALLY THE FOUGHT EACH OTHER, AGAIN WITH THE HELP OF THE USA GOVERMENT WHO THIS TIME HELPED ONLY THE ONES OF THE NORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOUR ICONS PROVIDED EXTENSIVE FINANCIAL AND MILITARY HARDWARE TO THE TWO OF THEM, INCLUDING BIN LADEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE GAS OF HUSAIN WAS MADE IN THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT GERMANY SO STOP LYING!!!!!!!!!! THE PICTURES OF THE CRATES WITH THE LOGO MADE IN THE USA WERE QUITE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!
MCCAIN SAID HIM SELF MANY MANY TIMES OVER THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN ALL THE IMPORTANT PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND THAT HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE RECORD!!
YOU ARE FULL OF LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SIXTIES RENEGADE PROFESSOR THAT YOU TRY TO POTRAY AS A TERRORIST CANNOT BE COMPARED EVEN IF MADE A MILLION TIMES MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE SCUM AND TRUE TERRORISTS YOUR ICONS HAVE ACTUALLY CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...now, let's talk about the Sandlers...
It is interesting to observe the language used by the right wing-nuts on this site. Right wingers are by definition a pack of raving lunatics and nothing here disuades a person from that assessment. There are illiterate morons using language like Libnazi and Islamofascists. What is really interesting is the rightwing spawned fascism and Nazism. They actually define the right wing. On this site the brain dead morons use them as perjoratives for others. As if using these terms on others would somehow cleans and purify the criminally insane Republicans. Well folks, it doesn't fly. All it does is to prove to the world what a pack of idiots the US right wingnuts are.
That is now 5 times that you have posted that same crap, EssPee. It has now been reported to the moderators as SPAM and hopefully be removed. What's the problem EssPee, too much drug abuse and you can't remember what you've posted? It certainly isn't important enough to be repeated once.
...try about forty. A pity too, because boneheads like you refuse to accept the facts even though they are public knowledge.
You must be the biggest pussie on the internet.
Suck on this:
This was preventable.Sep 21st, 2008 - 01:59:13
John McCain predicted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crises, pushed 2005 legislation to prevent trouble:
The 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005' would have headed this off but it was killed in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs by Chris Dodd who recieved the most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003.
The Democratic response to Bush in 2003:
“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
“I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
SPAM. Even by sp4's own admission, it is spam. Please to be removing it. It would be nice to block SP4's IP as a spammer as your warnings state.
...because I got that info from THIS website!
Have you realized just how large of a female human womb you've become? Is it so hard to read the truth? Do you not have even a single solitary meaningful comment to offer?
'the only difference of the two is that the mujahedin of the northen alliance wanted a separate state from the taliban who were the mujahedin of the south,'
Wrong again. Here, since you didn't read what I wrote here is a link to an encyclopedia, go get an education:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
'YOUR ICONS PROVIDED EXTENSIVE FINANCIAL AND MILITARY HARDWARE TO THE TWO OF THEM, INCLUDING BIN LADEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
All the exclamation points in the world don't make that true. Where we went wrong in Afganastan was turning our backs on them after we helped toss out the Soviets. Pakistani 'intelligence' and Saudi islamism filled the gap. Your rantings are just thoroughly discredited conspiracy theories that appeal to primitive minds.
' THE GAS OF HUSAIN WAS MADE IN THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT GERMANY SO STOP LYING!!!!!!!!!!'
Again, you are lying. The gas was made in Iraq with components from Germany. I posted a link to a source stating that. You have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.
The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign firms.[12] By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie Ltd.) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.
You can make mustard gas out of common household chemicals.... Regardless, what does this have to do with Obama?
'THE PICTURES OF THE CRATES WITH THE LOGO MADE IN THE USA WERE QUITE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!'
Lets see these pictures then. Provide a link to the 'US made chemical weapons crate photos that were used on Saddam's own people' pictures, you ranting monkey.
' MCCAIN SAID HIM SELF MANY MANY TIMES OVER THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN ALL THE IMPORTANT PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND THAT HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE RECORD!!'
Well, it should be easy for you to track down a quote where he takes credit for all the terrorism in the world. Go away and find it, otherwise you are just making a fool out of yourself.
' THE SIXTIES RENEGADE PROFESSOR THAT YOU TRY TO POTRAY AS A TERRORIST CANNOT BE COMPARED '
He is a murdering pig who declared war on the SA and bombed the capital, police stations, the pentagon and families of judges and he is obamas friend, mentor and business associate. What does that say about Obama?
'SPAM. Even by sp4's own admission, it is spam. Please to be removing it. It would be nice to block SP4's IP as a spammer as your warnings state. '
Yet somehow your trail of lame retorts posted by your sockpuppets doesn't qualify as 'spam' in your screwed up mind.
What type of drug are you ingesting now????????
YOU SAY: 'Have you realized just how large of a female human womb you've become?'
Say WHAT???? Didn't you take any biology in school? By your statement there is such a thing as a male human womb. That is patently absurd, like you.
YOU SAY: 'Is it so hard to read the truth?'
I read the truth all the time. It is your lies that stink.
YOU SAY: 'Do you not have even a single solitary meaningful comment to offer?'
I do it all the time. When are YOU going to start, SPAMMER?
Precisely when are you going to get one, sock puppet?
And while the petty minded on this site continue to throw insults at each other, the Dow carries on downwards - minus another 288 points last time I looked.
Why don't you morons try saying something positive rather than just blaming each other for the mess America has created around the World. The next prsident may not matter - nothing left to govern !
listen to sp4 .
he has brains in his hemeroids.
The petty minded you refer to must be SP and friends. The rightwing GOP toadies have one tool in their tool box. It is the attack mode. Part of that is the insult bag. If they get some back, then fine and good. As to the economy, that is on another thread, over there, somewhere. If you want to talk about it, go there.
Well said. The mud being slung back and forth about the past is ludicrous or guilty by association at best. How many crime lords have been at the same party as some politian, so are they guilty? and it could go on and on. I want to hear what the candidates have to say about their proposed policies, and the minute they start a campaign speech/ads knocking the opposite guy, I turn off. It would appear that most of McCain's ads lately have started out saying 'Obama', and now Miss Alaska has joined in with her breathless campaign speeches like there is no tomorrow. Well, I've got news for her, there probably isn't going to be a tomorrow for her!
When candidates doesn’t want to run a political campaign based upon issues and their party’s platform, or are just afraid of losing an election, they can use some character assassination techniques to try to eliminate the opponents. Pick a label, any bad label, and try to make it stick. It doesn’t matter what the facts are, or what the truth is, as long voters believe in the label. Repeat the phrase long enough and perhaps they will start to believe. The tactic can work well especially if the label contains phrases like “un-patriotic”, or “un-American”, or “friend of terrorists”.
Welcome to the brave new world of fringe politics.
Just be careful that you are not associated with something on the fringe yourself.
Such as the Alaska Independence Party, of which Todd Palin, husband of the Republican VP candidate, has been a card carrying member for years. Not to make it guilt by association, Sarah Palin has accompanied her husband to at least one party convention as a husband and wife team of supporters. Nothing wrong with that except here is some of the party’s platform-
1. The Party motto is “Alaska First”, before allegiance to the nation.
2. The Party wants to have a state vote on secession from the United States.
3. The Party “supports the privatization of government services.”
4. The Party wants “complete repatriation of the public land held by the federal government.”
5. Another Party motto is “The problem with you John Birchers’ is that you are too damn liberal.”- quoted from the Alaska Independence Party founder, and web site.
Then there are the links to other similar websites like-
1. Southern Independence Party of North Carolina- spnc.net.
Their party platform calls for the “secession from the American union by each of the 16 Southern states. No, this was not from 1861, but written in 1999-2000.
2. Southern Independence Party of Tennessee- siptenn.org
Their platform calls for establishing a “sunset clause [expiration date] for all laws and regulations.”
3. Miami Independence Movement-
These folks want Miami-Dade country to secede from Florida and the United States.
4. Texas Nationalist Organization-
These patriotic cowboys advocate that Texas secede from the United States.
There are many other interesting links at the Alaska Independence Party website-akip.org
It is impressive just how un-patriotic and un-American all these organizations really are.
The embarrassing and irritating pox inflicted by the grace of God on the human rectum is actually spelt HEMORRHOIDS in American and the more precise and cultural HAEMORRHOIDS in English.
Poor SP4, he`s getting a real spanking in these posts.
Is he really THAT bad or is he an unfortunate martyr to intellectual wisdom and superiority against the jealous onslaught of the common proletariat ?
You say: 'Is he really THAT bad or is he an unfortunate martyr to intellectual wisdom and superiority against the jealous onslaught of the common proletariat ?'
Short answer: He is that bad.
Long answer: He is that bad.
SP has a problem with repeating over and over again - much like most old timers. But....never fear, he won't be posting tomorrow as he proclaims he doesn't watch more than a very few minutes of a debate! A superior attitude generally doesn't go down well, thus, one of his main problems.It would appear that the nastiness has started with McCain/McPalin, and I think McCain is the one who said early on he wouldn't go that route.....hmmmm - forgetfulness or desperation???
In SP's case the alleged intellectual superiority is merely a compensatory behavior resulting from his drug addiction. He is not superior in any way, shape or form. A truly intellectually superior person would lead, guide, or otherwise educate another person. SP attacks. He bludgeons. That is the modus operandi of an intellectually inferior, egoistical moron. How typical of the Republicans.
would talk tonight about what he was going to do to help the GOP (Grandpas Old Party) fix (or at least start to fix) some of the problems he helped create then his numbers would not look like this:
RCP Average 10/01 - 10/06 -- 49.6 44.1 Obama +5.5
Gallup Tracking 10/04 - 10/06 2747 RV 51 42 Obama +9
Rasmussen Tracking 10/04 - 10/06 3000 LV 52 44 Obama +8
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/04 - 10/06 908 LV 46 44 Obama +2
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking 10/04 - 10/06 1237 LV 48 45 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/04 - 10/05 658 RV 49 43 Obama +6
CBS News 10/03 - 10/05 616 LV 48 45 Obama +3
CNN 10/03 - 10/05 694 LV 53 45 Obama +8
GW/Battleground Tracking 10/01 - 10/06 800 LV 50 43 Obama +7
Democracy Corps (D) 10/01 - 10/05 1000 LV 49 46 Obama +3
Wew-hoo, Obama to the top!
'Wew-hoo, Obama to the top!'
Gee, he is behind Kerry and Gore at this point, look at how well they did. More shoes yet to drop on Barack Hussein Obama.
makes me wrong...
Just being you, makes you wrong.
And you dimwitted blind to the truth fool. Can't you see your party has already destroyed the country. We need 'change' and not the same old crap to shake up the status quo. Your old man is more of the McSame.
Good luck holding out hoping for things to turn.
What a complete and total failure as a human. You want to elect someone for the sole purpose that he spent 5 1/2 years in a prison camp.
Wee-hoo Obama to the top!
mcain -mock obamas economics-correct him everyday you will give morein the pocket and grovel to the poorest of poor like obama does.hes smart but you must play the same game,throw money at the people and you will win easy,come doen off the clouds and mock obamas uncle scrooge mentality.
Go back to you kindergarden class. Get an education. Come back when you can spell. Better yet, come back when you can think for yourself.
You have shown your true colors again you liar, he is actually doing much better:
Newsweek
'There's no doubt--either among Republicans, Democrats, Independents or Martians--that if the 2008 presidential election were held today, Barack Obama would defeat John McCain. According to the poll aggregators at RealClear Politics, Obama would amass 264 electoral votes in an Oct. 7 election solely from states that favor him by more than six percent. That's six EVs shy of the White House. Toss in one more state (only one) where Obama is currently winning by a smaller spread--either Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado or Missouri--and it's game, set, match. Obama's average national lead? Nearly 6 percent--more than double the size of George W. Bush's 2004 margin of victory.'
talking to yourself again?
As for the rest of your fantasy thet you call a post, there is only one possible reply: If wishes were horses...
Come out of your dream world, child.
[Alhough there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan, and 'by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war.'[17]
The Taliban were based in the Helmand, Kandahar, and Uruzgan regions and were overwhelmingly ethnic Pashtuns and predominantly Durrani Pashtuns.[18]]
NOTICE THAT EVEN IS THERE IS NO DIRECT PROOF ABOUT THE CIA ITS WELL KNOWN THAT HUGE AMOUNTS OF ARMS WERE POURED IN BY THE USA TO THE CAMPS THAT BIN LADEN ORGANISED!!!!........I GUESS ALL WE NEED TO GET A FULL HOUSE IS FOR THE PENTAGON TO ALSO DISCLOSE HOW MUCH THEY ACTUALLY PAID THEM IN CASH ON TOP OF IT!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS FROM THE LINK TO WIKIPEDIA YOU POSTED FOR ME!!!!!!!
NEXT TIME BOTHER TO READ BEFORE YOU SPIT YOUR NONSENCE OUT!
CRAZY FANATIC BABOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you mean like Palins husband history of being a member of the 'Alaska Independence Party' ?
The same party that believes Alaska should secede from the US?
The same party who's leader - Joe Vogler - said 'The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag.'
The same Alaska Independence Party that Mrs. Palin told ealier this year: 'I'm delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaska Independence Party Convention. ... Keep up the good work!'
Those are documented facts.
How little you guys know about your candidates.
'And you dimwitted blind to the truth fool.'
Since you have been caught lying repeatedly here I wouldn't be too quick to lecture others on what the truth is.
'Can't you see your party has already destroyed the country.'
This country is not 'destroyed', if you think it is you had better get your idiotic ass out and save yourself.
'We need 'change' '
So you zombies say... Not all change is good. Reverting back to the failed policies of Jimmy Carter while socializing entire industries and giving away our sovereignty to organizations that hate our guts isn't a beneficial change,, you moron.
'Your old man is more of the McSame.'
You are just a bumper sticker chanting robot who can't think for herself.
'Good luck holding out hoping for things to turn.'
Thank you. I hope you are bitterly disappointed to the point where you pack your parasite ass up and leave my country.
' You want to elect someone for the sole purpose that he spent 5 1/2 years in a prison camp.'
McCain has served this country with honor and Obama hasn't served anything other them himself but no, that is not McCain's only qualification.
You want to elect someone or the sole purpose that he is black. That and he can speak the deliberately ambiguous words that other people put in his mouth in a lovely voice that makes you zombies swoon fall over yourselves. What you don't realize is that you are just tripping over his BS.
'Wee-hoo Obama to the top!'
Idiot. You don't care if that means that the USA goes on to the bottom. Just as long as you can get what you want like the spoiled little brat that you are.
Here’s what McCain has to say about the wonders of market-based health reform:
Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
So McCain, who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street, was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago — and promising that if we marketize health care, it will perform as well as the financial industry
She calls what they do 'Good work'?
Here's her entire speech ....
'I'm Governor Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention in the Golden Heart City, Fairbanks.
Your party plays an important role in our state's politics. I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well. I share your party's vision of upholding the Constitution of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that. We have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state, made up of the hardest-working, most grateful Americans in our nation.
So as your convention gets under way, I hope that you all are inspired by remembering that all those years ago, it was in this same city that Alaska's Constitution was born. And it was founded on hope, and trust, and liberty, and opportunity. I carry that message of opportunity forward in my administration as we continue to move our state ahead and create positive change.
So I say: Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention, keep up the good work, and God bless you.'
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Hardly a rebuke of their philosophy ... one of secession from the US.
Again, she calls it 'Good Work'
And her husband WAS an Alaska Independence Party member.
Those are the facts.
'Alhough there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda,'
So I guess that rules out the billions that you said were given to them previously.
'NOTICE THAT EVEN IS THERE IS NO DIRECT PROOF ABOUT THE CIA ITS WELL KNOWN THAT HUGE AMOUNTS OF ARMS WERE POURED IN BY THE USA TO THE CAMPS THAT BIN LADEN ORGANISED!!!!'
The link I posted clearly states that there was no Taliban or aL Qaeda involvement with the CIA you stupid monkey. Indeed, the taiban didn't come in to existence until after the USA left Afganastan. How many times do you need that repeated for you until you understand?
'I GUESS ALL WE NEED TO GET A FULL HOUSE IS FOR THE PENTAGON TO ALSO DISCLOSE HOW MUCH THEY ACTUALLY PAID THEM IN CASH ON TOP OF IT!!!!!!!!!!'
You need a tranquilizer dart shot in to your insane ass.
'THIS IS FROM THE LINK TO WIKIPEDIA YOU POSTED FOR ME!!!!!!!'
And it doesn't contradict anything that I have said.
'...about how the iraqi goverment is taking legal actions against two usa firms for providing THE KEY components AND KNOW HOW for the chemical gases'
You can sue anyone for anything. The fact is that the weapons did not come from the USA. 'AND KNOW HOW'??? Mustard gas was invented in WW1 and you can make it by mixing 2 common household cleaners. 5 minutes with a search engine will give yoyu the 'knowhow'. Maybe the Iraqis are suing Google and Yahoo.
'I WONT EVEN BOTHER WITH YOUR LIES ANYMORE'
I haven't lied, you clown.
'YOUR OWN SOURCES THAT YOU POINT OUT PROVE YOU DEAD WRONG.'
No, they do not. Go back and read them again, if you can get past the hallucinations and voices in your head.
'YOU ARE A FANATIC, '
LOL.
The same Alaska Independence Party that Mrs. Palin told ealier this year: 'I'm delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaska Independence Party Convention. ... Keep up the good work!'
More lies.. Ill cut and paste as you did:
Notice the 'dot dot dot' in the above quote... that is the part of the speech where she states that she disagrees with their message. That ppart was censored out to completely reverse the meaning of the original comment.
This is another disproven obama lie. Sarah Palin was never in this party, she went on to state that she does not agree with them in her welcoming speech.
Here's what FactCheck.org says about that:
'She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982. '
Full link to her speech:
jimtreacher.com/archives/001633.html
So.. Want to stop reposting this lie from the democratic underground?
Her exact speech ... not a rebuke as above claims'
'Your party ' (not Our party)
' I've always said that competition is good, and that applies to political parties as well' (So they are competing with each other, not in agreement.)
' most grateful Americans in our nation.' (AMERICANS, in our NATION of the USA...not just Alaskans, idiot.)
'Hardly the rebuke of their philosophy'
She makes it clear that she does not agree with them yet she welcomes them nonetheless.
'one of secession from the US.'
That is not what they call for. They were promised a vote on statehood in 1958 which they never got. That is what they are asking for. their platform:
'the AIP strives to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.'
Gee, sounds horrible... Meanwhile your guy belonged to a damn America church for 20 years, associates with terrorists who declared war on the USA and wants to run the country inti the ground with socialism... yet you lie about this..
[The link I posted clearly states that there was no Taliban or aL Qaeda involvement with the CIA you stupid monkey. Indeed, the taiban didn't come in to existence until after the USA left Afganastan. How many times do you need that repeated for you until you understand? ]
it was the RUSSIANS that left agfanistan MORON,AND THE USA WEAPONS ALL THOSE THOUSANDS OF TONS A YEAR WERE USED AGAINST THEM AND NOW AGAINST US, THE USA WENT IN IN 2001 AND ARE STILL THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
' it was the RUSSIANS that left agfanistan'
Yes, and then the USA did as the job of chasing them out was done, MORON.
'AND THE USA WEAPONS ALL THOSE THOUSANDS OF TONS A YEAR WERE USED AGAINST THEM AND NOW AGAINST US,'
No, what brought the USA back to Afghanistan was not US or Russian weapons, it was box cutters, hijacked aircraft and the theology of a long dead caravan raiding pedophile.
Regardless, this has nothing to do with Obama cozying up to modern day, America hating, genuine terrorists.
'THE USA WAS IN AGFANISTAN YOU SAY,'
The CIA, yes.
'YOU JUST SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!'
Indeed.
'AND WAS GIVING LOADS OF WEAPONS TO THE TALIBAN '
No, there was no Taliban when we were there. Why are you not understanding this? It has been explained over and over to the point where even a chimp could get it.
'AS THE LINK SAIS[sic] EXPICITLY[sic] AND CLEARLY AND YOU ADMIT!!!!.'
That is not what the link says. Go back ad read it.
', THEY WERE CREATED LONG BEFORE THAT AND FOUGHT THE RUSSIANS WITH AMERICAN WEAPONS,'
No, that was the mujahadeen, The taliban are a different theocratic political movement. What we supported dissolved into what predominately became the Northern alliance and scattered warlords. The only thing we gave to the taliban was humanitarian aid because Afghans were starving to death under them.
'TALIBAN CAMPS, ORGANISED[sic] BY BIN LADEN, GETTING THOUSANDS OF TONS OF USA WEAPONS EVERY YEAR.'
It simply does not say that, you are nuts.
'SO THE TALIBAN AND BIN LADEN WERE THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!! 'AND GOT WEAPONS FROM USA, '
Wow. You are just crazy, that's all. Try reading the words instead of seeing what you want to see.
He did not say she was a member you idiot, he said her husband was a member, so please quit posting copied right wing talking points!
Why would anyone object to Palin's association with the AK Independence Party, even if she were a member, which she is not?
What's wrong with that?
Guilty by association - same as it's been said about Obama. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak!
'SO ALL THESE WEAPONS THAT WENT INTO AGFANISTAN BY REGAN AND MCCAIN DID NOT END UP AT THE HANDS OF THE TALIBAN??????????'
Some of them may have but that wasn't your assertion. What you stated is that the USA aided the Taliban and al Qaeda to the tune of billions. It is simply wrong. You stated that incorrect assertion to crazily claim that the USA is a terrorist enterprise and therefore it is OK for Obama to associate with terrorists because everyone is a terrorist. You are a mental case.
'YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS THAT BEFORE THESE PEOPLE WERE NAMED MUJAHEDIN, THEN TALIBAN, SO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!'
They were different political movements. Indeed they had different people running them.
'YOU MORON ITS THE SAME PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
No, not in charge, not with the same political ideology. If there is something to blame the USA for it is that we abandoned the decent Afgahns and let the Pakistanis do whatever they wanted. We lost internist after we got what we wanted. But no.... and get his straight: We did not support the Taliban with Billions of dollars.
'CHECK THE LINK YOU POSTED FOR ME BABOON=
[The first major military activity of the Taliban was in October-November 1994 '
So was Reagan resident in 1994? Were we sending Afghanistan billions of dollars in 1994? Are you still not getting this?
'GET IT SURRENDERING TO THEM HANDS DOWN, '
And? Some of the people that we previously supported surrendered. Is that the same as sending the people that they surrendered to billions? Of course not. Now, say the same thing all over again with more exclamation points.
'Guilty by association - same as it's been said about Obama. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak!'
Palin wasn't mentored by terrorists who declared war on the USA. Obama was.
on this board is just another big time liar:
McCain again charged that Obama had voted to raise taxes 94 times, a claim that the nonpartisan group Factcheck.org, which tracks inaccurate claims by the candidates, identified as one of the 'whoppers of 2008.'
The 'Straight Talk Express' ha!
I am not a liar:
As he did in the first debate, McCain misstated his vote against the deployment of Marines in Lebanon during the Reagan presidency. He said he voted against deploying them in Beirut.
In fact, the Marines were already in Beirut when McCain entered the House of Representatives in 1983. What he voted against was a measure that would have authorized their deployment for another 18 months. The measure passed, 270-161, with opposition coming from McCain and 25 other Republicans as well as 134 Democrats.
Half the truth---worse than a lie!
All you pathetic faggots writing this crap on these pages need to see a shrink - you have gone bloody bonkers. Honest - NINE pages of complete shit and utter nonsense. Are you all completely mentally deranged ?
DON`T YOU REALISE ! that all the shit coming out of the mouths of these insignificant moronic slime-pots you have been presented with for PRESIDENT, is just utter crap. None of it is worth a jerk off or a piss in the gutter.
To waffle on and on and on about what these irrelevant pigs say or do not say undermines your own intelligence and places you in the category of a gullible idiot.
For Christs sake, be sensible - these vile nutters who will lead America to social destruction are not worth a dime in a shit pile.
CANNOT YOU UNDERSTAND - YOU BUNCH OF NIAVE TWITS ? Talk about your local baseball club, it is much more interesting than a collection of ignorant pigs intent on being court jester in that white shit-house in Washington.
You ask what's wrong with Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party?
How 'bout this ...
The party's leader - Joe Vogler - said 'The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag.'
Palin's husband was a member of that party.
She told them to 'Keep up the good work'
You've ranted about associations ... patriotism ... etc ... ad nauseum.
In light of what the AIP founder said ...
Where's your rebuke for anti-americanism from Palins husband's affiliations, associations, Palins associations, and the group she to which she says 'keep up the good work'?
Or SP4, are you gonna be a hypocrite, again?
Yes he will. All those facts don't count in SP's book. The finger pointing and back tracking are getting old. Granted, we need to figure out what things that were done, did contribute to the problem at hand.
But to constantly dwell on it and accuse one another of being part of the problem doesn't go very far in solving anything. McCain said at the start that he didn't want to play dirty, but he was the first one to do the slinging. He spends more time talking about Obama than he does about himself. And they need to muzzle pathetic Palin before she completes the job of Republican failure. Her rants about Obama runnin' with terrorists is stupid to a fault!
If Obama is runnin' with terrorists, then Palin is running with dangerous radicals......same stupidity!
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