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Even Factcheck.org Has to Admit Obama Lied His ass off on ACORN Last Night
From last night's debate:
Obama: 'The only involvement I've had with ACORN is, I represented them... in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.'
Factcheck.org response:
He did, but that wasn't his only involvement. He also worked closely with ACORN's Chicago office when he ran a Project Vote registration drive after law school, and Obama did some leadership training for Chicago ACORN. The Woods Fund, where Obama served as a board member, gave grants to ACORN's Chicago branch; both organizations are concerned with disadvantaged populations in that city. And during the primaries of this election, Obama's campaign paid upwards of $800,000 to the ACORN-affiliated Campaign Services Inc. for get-out-the-vote efforts (not voter registration). Those services were initially misrepresented on the campaign's Federal Election Commission reports, an error that some find suspicious and others say is par for the course. ACORN's Chicago office and CSI have not been under investigation.
Unsurprisingly, Obama also, once again, blatantly lied about his relationship with Bill Ayers and his vote on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, both of which, sadly went completely unmentioned.
Abridged: mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194447.php
' McCain, who is lagging in the polls behind Obama, '
Gallup has Obama up 49-47 with a margin of error of 2%. Have you heard that anywhere today? Of course not.
The media neeeeeds this to be over right now. Anything that contradicts that template is utterly disregarded. Gallup took some heat for changing their party weighting to include more Democrats, which accounted for Obama’s inflated numbers over the last couple of weeks. So they decided to do three polls, one of Registered Voters (RV) (useless as a predictor), Likely Voters (LV), and a new “Traditional” Likely Voters (TLV), which reflects the, well, traditional weighting of the parties. So here are today’s Daily Tracking Poll numbers.
Note that the results do not reflect last night’s debate, and can only mean that McCain was already closing the gap. Look for this get even tighter over the next couple of days.
Above poster just stacks up mud.His idea to refer to factcheck is dangerous for himself.I neer thought the GOP would dare to do that.So dear readers ,for once check for yourelved indeed and see who is right.
www.factcheck.org/
Good source indeed,non partisan.
'His idea to refer to factcheck is dangerous for himself'
I always use the facts. You just preach and see what you want to see. Fix your own country before you lecture Americans on ours. From what I have seen you are in no position to be lecturing
Couldn't agree more. McCain shot himself in the foot when he chose Palin.
In the worst case scenario;
If elderly McCain died while he was President then the crazy Palin would take over. What do you think would happen ?
I shudder at the thought.
'If elderly McCain died while he was President then the crazy Palin would take over. '
If Barack gets elected and lives then idiot barack wold be in charge.. I shudder at the thought.
A FEW YEARS AGO YOU WERE WORRIED THAT A BLACKWOMAN WOULD SIT WITH US ON A BUS NOW YOU SHUDDER AT SARAH PALIN I HOPE SHE WINS OBAMAS NOT READY MAYBE AFTER MCAIN THEN SARAH THEN OBAMA.
A FEW YEARS AGO YOU WERE WORRIED THAT A BLACKWOMAN WOULD SIT WITH US ON A BUS NOW YOU SHUDDER AT SARAH PALIN I HOPE SHE WINS OBAMAS NOT READY MAYBE AFTER MCAIN THEN SARAH THEN OBAMA.
YUP! McCain shoots himself in the foot again!!!!
Joe, who is real name is Samuel, admits he does not have a plumber's licence
Doubt has been cast over the story of 'Joe the plumber', the man who unexpectedly became the star of this week's US presidential debate.
Joe Wurzelbacher, of Ohio, was thrown into the spotlight after he was used by John McCain as an example of who might suffer under Barack Obama's tax plans.
But it now emerges he is not a licensed plumber and owes $1,200 in back taxes
LOL!
Joe the Plumber springs a few leaks
This has got to be the funniest write -up I've seen in twenty years. I nearly died laughing!
Enjoy!
www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/729613.html
...golly, what a surprise...
What is so funny about Joe the Plumber?
He got a speeding ticket? - I get one a year.
He owes back taxes? - get in line!
He doesn't have a Plumbers license? - typical libnazi union-freatherbedding law, and no one says Joe broke it.
What's next...Jimmy Hoffa found in his freezer?
Wanna read something funny?...go see the Miami Herald's circulation losses for the last five years...and then realize making light of a person's circumstances is bad for business.
Oh yeah, one other thing...none oof that makes Joe wrong.
no one is saying any of this makes poor Joe wrong. It just shows that McCain took a situation he didn't really know much about and ran with it, making a fool out of himself and causing Joe more publicity than he wanted.
Why isn't anyone reporting that Joe the Plumber was a 'plant' in the Obama crowd, put there by the McCain campaign? McCain's 'Old buddy Joe' had already made the rounds of the right-wing talk radio shows days before - they planned this all along. Unfortunately for McCain, his campaign didn't vet Joe the Plumber any more than they vetted Sarah Palin.
believe people vote for Obama for the novelty of saying they voted for the first black president, certainly not for the fact he is most qualified. It is difficult to believe any of these people are much smarter than a post.
Numpty.
was extreme right wing.
' McCain's 'disappointing campaign' and 'irresponsible selection of a running mate' - Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin - 'who is not ready to be president'
(Well reported M&C)
' McCain's 'disappointing campaign' and 'irresponsible selection of a running mate' - Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin - 'who was not ready to be President'
(Well reported M&C)
Hitler
was extreme right wing.
But was, of course, leader of a SOCIALIST party. It must be very confusing for Americans !
Just listen to Your Own...
Top Republican explains why McCain will lose election...
Former Bush strategist Matthew Dowd recently said of McCain:
'He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that.'
These times right now have shown that there are real problems with the system, the stuff that is happening around us with the economy are tragic and comical.
The problems are also in education, infrastructure and social.
The system appears to be fundamentally problematic.
A deep and rigorous change is needed in many of its aspects and design and operation.
Of the two candidates one is more suited to make the changes.
One must remember that a nation,a country and its people is not the same as a business.
We need a person than can first understand the problems and then come up with solutions, we need a person with the right education experience and energy.
We need a person who does not think of the country as a business but as a nation of people trying to evolve and advance in a very compeding global system.
We need a person who will work from the bottom up, not from the top down!
Some one who is in tune with the problems of the average person and will work with him in mind, and for him and with him.
Are there problems with the system in many of its aspects, does everybody agree with that?
pay no attention to sp4 as he knoweth not what he sayeth.
it is called empty headed.
Rather than be the first to insult, let's crank up that mind-blowing intellect of yours and answer these glaring questions:
How does, outside of plain bias, the Wash. Post arrive at the conclusion that, with no legislative record, and never worked in the private sector, Obama is somehow, 'the best ofr hard times' as they put it?
With all of Joe the Plumbers glaring shortcomings i.e. he missed that all-important policy seminar on monetary policy while he was fixing a toilet, he still got the concept right that, if his income, capital gains and retirement taxes go up, and he loses feeding that capital into the economy to expand his small business, the fastest employment engine in our economy, the economy will not grow.
Too bad HE's not running for President!
No Professor Andrew, the only one who needs to bone up here is you. Like you, Professor, America is in love with pure image, from Obama to Madonna, and now they are going to get a lesson it it.
Schools in...
how the Republicans were running scared that there might be a woman (Hillary) elected President, but they are lapping at Palin's skirts - hilarious actually!
Plumber Joe didn't own a business. He was just working for another plumber - just the two of them. He didn't have a license, owed back taxes, and just remarked that some day he might want to own a business. Why do the Republicans keep expanding on this simple little story?? Nothing else monumental to discuss?
'Plumber Joe didn't own a business. He was just working for another plumber -'
He wanted to buy the business but he was concerned that government would make it unprofitable... that is the whole point. Obamas tax plans are going to prevent him from reaching his potential and living the American dream.
“He didn't have a license,”
He doesn’t need one. What does that have to do with anything?
“owed back taxes”
It is disgusting that anyone who has anything to say that isn’t what leftists want to hear is dragged through the mud. This is a guy that works hard to buy a buisness to grow the economy and he is going to be prevented from doing so by the government. That is not a change that America wants.
If he has sufficient money to 'buy a business', why hasn't he paid his taxes ?
No one is dragging poor Joe through the mud, but thanks to McCain it got built all out of proportion! He didn't state he was trying to buy the business, only that maybe some day he might like to own a business. All of that is irrelevant anyway. It's just that McCain tried to make it all much more of a story than it really was.......EOS
...how the dem libnazi cabal, and their propaganda arm the libnazi press, is so utterly frightened of a single plummers opinion being aired...
Tut tut SP4 - your lack of education is showing. 'Plummer' must be someone who collects fruit off a tree. PlumBer is the person who deals with water, pipes and so on - don't tell me you've forgotten your Latin - plumbus (lead)
There is no need to go after the plumber at all;that would be sidetracking ,what matters is the real story ,the choices to be made .
Looking around on the internet ,thanks to google ,enough information will be found.
Of course there is the talented SP4 that will tell you google is a Bolshevist instrument (he really did ) ,but never mind him.
Get on with your homework or doing what girls normally do and stop meddling in matters you know nothing about. Try ballet classes or something more feminine.
Don`t girls like you have anything better to do than mess about trying to be grown-up by gawping at CNN all day long and writing your juvenile crap about foreign countries affairs ?
Pay attention to your own piddling little piece of Europe, you should be able to manage that more easily, it`s no bigger than a postage stamp.
There is no need to go after the plumber at all;
sp4 - unless your candidate is so weak and paranoid and the libnazi press is too...a plummer for god's sakes....!
that would be sidetracking ,
sp4 - talkiing about tax policy is now sidetracking? I guess THAT's not an issue to Tonny...
what matters is the real story ,the choices to be made .
sp4 - like tax policy...?...ya think?...or a candidate so weak his libnazi press arm wants to dismember one lone plummer in Ohio...think A.C.O.R.N.
Looking around on the internet ,thanks to google ,enough information will be found.
sp4 - unless you are a Chinese dissident, then you spend five years in a re-education camp courtesy of Google turning your IP address in to the Marxists...which they aadmitted...go look THAT up on Google and see if it pops up...Tonny...
Of course there is the talented SP4 that will tell you google is a Bolshevist instrument (he really did ) ,but never mind him.
sp4 - and the fact that Google, who admitted to cooperating with the Chinese government on cracking down on freedom dissidents is Tonny's reference of choice...golly, what a surprise...
Veterans and even Grandpa John-boy know what this is ;=SELF INFLICTED WOUND.You get no sympathy for shooting your won foot off.McCain did more than this - he shot his bloody balls off when he picked that female cretin from Alaska to ride shotgun with him.Her vile revolting activities and heinous babbling has just about nailed the lid on John-boy`s wooden crate. The wave of hate this bitch has created covers the entire spectrum of society, from the media down to thewino.The election is now a certainty, whether we like it or not OBAMA will win. It`s a formality.An earlier post pointed out that if John-boy dropped dead during his term of office, then THAT female pig of a VP would become PRESIDENT !!!!What a horrific and catastrophic thought.
Best not to put all your trust in Google -
BRITAIN'S Prince Philip, unintentionally left Google chiefs red-faced this week.
The 87-year-old was visiting the online giant's London headquarters with Queen Elizabeth II, and its bosses were giving them a presentation of the signature Google Earth application.
Using Buckingham Palace as an example, they demonstrated how it could zoom in close to show astonishing detail of buildings, streets and even vehicles from a bird's eye view.
Prince Philip, always ready with polite questions at such functions, asked if it could beam in on Google's own offices, the plush but relatively new buildings in which they were all gathered.
'Do you know where it is?' he asked.
With a few mouse clicks, the computer screen scanned across the few hundred metres from Buckingham Palace to Belgrave House, Google's HQ in nearby Buckingham Palace Road ... but it wasn't there.
While surrounding streets could be seen, the space where Google should be was an empty site. 'It is just that the picture came from a time when it was a piece of land,' said Nikesh Arora, Google's president for Europe, Middle East and Africa, refusing to show embarrassment according to the Times.
It sure is surprising what you can get out of these fella`s with just a few banana`s.
McCain was certainly shot in the foot when he had to pick Palin. He might have had a fighting chance (MIGHT) if he had been able to pick someone else. She spoiled fast!
Colin Powell another black man who was pushed up into high office to become first a General and then Secretary of State has resorted back to his tribal heritage and engulfed himself in a radical black bongo group on stage in London.
This is how these people behave, once they have achieved power and are let out of the arena.
Read this copied excerpt from a London paper ;-
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Ex-US Secretary of State Colin Powell has joined a hip-hop band on stage in London to dance and sing in a celebration of African culture.
America's former top diplomat took centre stage along with Nigerian performer Olu Maintain, who sang his hit Yahoozee.
It is not clear if Mr Powell was aware that the song was about Nigeria's notorious Internet fraudsters.
The song tells of an easy-money lifestyle of women, cars and alcohol.
The scammers, known as 'yahoo yahoo boys' make money by advance fee fraud, known as '419' after the legal statute that outlaws it.
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One minute a General and then Secretary of State - the next a black chanter of musical obscenities radical.
OBAMA ! YOUR TURN NEXT, GET YOUR LOIN-CLOTH READY.
“McCain was certainly shot in the foot when he had to pick Palin.”
The leftist does love to hate Sarah Palin….
She is a better man then Obama, that’s for sure.
Not setting the bar too high though...
Palin is definitely 'manly' out gutting animals. Of course she isn't running for President, but the point was that McCain's chances would have been much better if he had been able to pick someone of his choice. She isn't exactly going over that great if you have bothered to take notice.
Lucifer has been reincarnated by McCain in the form of that POLITICIAN FROM HELL the female cretin, abuser of power and killer of animals from Alaska.
Damn it ! She even wears RED The only thing missing are the horns, tail and trident.
BEGONE OH EVIL SPIRIT.
'She isn't exactly going over that great if you have bothered to take notice.'
Why? She has an 80-90% approval rating. No damn America church, no terrorist friends, a tenure in Alaska that has brought prosperity to the people in an equitable way while in Chicago people are born and die on welfare and it is statistically more likely that you will be shot and killed on the south side then a soldier in Iraq.... She has had sucess in Alaska and Obama has just helped his cronies steel.
Perhaps she is not being treated as 'fairly' as Obama has been.
course, the second coming; the messiah. He should be held in high esteem and glory by his followers and bowed to every-time he appears.
Nice to know you still have the half truth telling going for you.
The whole truth is:
McClatchy reports today that her approval rating in her home state has tumbled to 68% -- still high but surely not the country's best. The poll by a local firm that works for both parties was taken Sept. 20-22. McClatchy writes: 'Palin’s popularity has swooned as new information about the local abuse-of-power investigation known as Troopergate has trickled out, and as national and local media pick over her track record as a governor and small-town mayor.
By the way liar it was never 90%, but being a neo-con the truth does not mean much to you.
i see sp4 is still whimpering like a little baby.
Obam will attack Irsreal via Syria and Iran after he takes office and unleashes the nation of Islam
“Nice to know you still have the half truth telling going for you.”
You would think that you would bother to look any of your BS up before you post it. Here is a newsflash that wont be news to any one else but you: The leftist blogs that you get your “news” from are fantasy.
“By the way liar it was never 90%, but being a neo-con the truth does not mean much to you.”
It was 93% liar:
Alaska's governor tops the approval rating charts:
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89-93 POLL RATINGS: Palin has pleased most voters by sticking to her promises.
By SABRA AYRES
Anchorage Daily News
Published: May 30, 2007
Last Modified: May 30, 2007 at 02:29 AM
JUNEAU -- With the latest poll showing her approval rating at 89 percent, Gov. Sarah Palin may now be the most popular governor in the nation.
A recent public opinion poll taken by Ivan Moore Research showed both Republicans and Democrats in favor of the state's first female governor. The poll comes just two weeks after a separate poll taken by Dittman Research gave Palin a 93 percent approval rating.
While political polling numbers can fluctuate week to week, Palin's numbers have consistently been extremely high, putting her near or at the top among the nation's governors, according to Jennifer Duffy, an analyst at the Cook Political Report, a Washington, D.C.-based research group that closely follows state politics.
dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8931698p-8831940c.html
So yes, she has been a success for Alaska. How could her approval rating not taken a hit after the frenzied, irrational, untruthful attacks on her and her family from the filthy liars who manipulate lemmings like you?
I think she has as many problems as the rest of the candidates. What about the Alaska Independence Party that First Dude was a member whose founder stated 'I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions.' Seems Palin has been 'palling' around with someone who hates America so much that he doesn't want to be a part of our country. Why did Palin legitimize this party when she addressed it's annual party convention by video earlier this year.? She seems to have her hands full with troopergate as well. What about the church she attended where the pastor (who believes in witches)laid his hands on her to pray for her success? She isn't any different than the others. Maybe she did well in Alaska, but she isn't VP or Presidential material. And she has been made fun of only because of her rather daft answers to questions that aren't scripted.
McCain needed a breakout performance in the last debate and Joe the Plumber wasn't it. Americans are far more concerned about the bad economy than past associates. McCain has his unsavory old friends too, but Obama oted not to push back by discussing them, so McCain did himself no good in being in an attack mode. He also didn't gain voters by attacking ethanol subsidies. Obama did a much better job of explaining his health care plan and attacking McCain's as well as education issues. At this point a candidate should have his 'base' locked up and should be going after undecided voters. McCain seemed more focused on firing up his base of conservative supporters.
McCain
Thank God that you are not stranded in an Alasken winter,
with a wounded foot.
Palin would eat you
slowly roasted
and being a tough old bird
with plenty of gravy
@CIVILISATION ! - AHL STAY RITE HERE
Among your rambling post you quoted -
Ex-US Secretary of State Colin Powell has joined a hip-hop band on stage in London.....
One minute a General and then Secretary of State - the next a black chanter of musical obscenities radical.
Your attempts to make political capital out of racist comments simply exposed your ignorance. Studies show that hip-hop music has a larger white listening base than black !!!!
palin is mooselum
Republicans are constantly saying this country is going to probably disintegrate under an Obama presidency and the Democrats are going to bring them all down. They apparently have given up if they are so sure the Democrats are going to win. Their lack of confidence is showing. They are like their leader, constantly mudslinging instead of pointing out reasons for a McCain presidency. So, the fat lady IS singing and loudly left of center. Guess she's just too big to move to the right!
Perhaps McCain hopes to pull another rabbit out of the hat - like Joe the plonker. Perhaps Mike the misfit or Gerry the garbage collector ?
It doesn't really matter - he looked so old and senile in the TV debates that everyone must worry that he won't last 4 years and then you would be stuck with Palin - that would really give everyone nightmares and America's decline would rapidly increase beyond the current rate of steady downhill to oblivion
McCain has the last 8 years to blame for his loss - that, and Palin.
circumstances should Obama be elected president. It would be insane.
right you are.
i thought about voting for Mccain then i thought of the last 8 years with the stupid 2 faced liar bush and that turned me off .so for me Mccain is a no go.
and the picture of Mccain with his arms around Bush's middle huging him that really made me sick.
To add to my post, McCain is also too old. He would be 76 by the time the term ended, and believe it or not, we don't get better, so to speak, as we age. A lot of physical/mental issues are already on the decline at 72. Granted, there are a lot of 'older' people who can lead healthy, productive, lives and maintain their intellect at a high level, but that isn't a given by any means. It isn't for any age, but at an advancing age, it's really up for grabs. Also, his treatment as a POW has got to play a big part in his stability.
OK shipmates, it`s all over. We have a black-man as Prezidant.
Poor old feeble-bum McCain is too concerned where Cindy has put his wheelchair and Ginseng roots than bother about playing Methuselah on stage and acting like an old toss-pot. Anyway, that female cretin of a barbarian from Alaska has put him on the mortuary cold slab.
FOR THOSE POSTERS ABOVE WHO BANDY CRAP FIGURES OF POLLS ABOUT - GET EDUCATED AND READ THIS ;- Approx. but close.
The US population is 301 M. The total US eligible number of voters is
250 M or 83% population.
In any Presidential election the turn-out is only around 45%.
So, only 115 M actually vote ; 135 M don`t bother. MORE PEOPLE DO NOT VOTE THAN DO VOTE !!
The President wins by say 60 M against 55 M, a margin of 5 M.
Thus ANY President in US history is only elected and supported by a mere 60 M people.
It does not need a genius to see that our President is only elected by
60 M people and 190 M did NOT vote for him !!!!
CALL THAT DEMOCRACY ?? RUBBISH !!
Now for that large lump of wasteland called Alaska.
Population of Alaska is 700 K. The eligible number of voters is 450 K.
Now YOU say that cretin female barbarian has a 90% backing.
YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I have 100% backing out of a total vote of ONE - MY WIFE ! If you do not understand percentages -DON`T PLAY WITH THEM.
With a piddling population of only 700 K and a voting population of only 450 K, WHO CARES A BUGGER IF ALL THE ALASKAN PEOPLE VOTE FOR THE COW ?
It means NOTHING. I would guess the stupid pollsters took a 3 K max sample and extrapolated it like they always make the mistake of doing.
So, the heinous bitch gets 2.7 K people thinking the sun shines out of her arsehole.
2,700 against a US voting population of 250 M !!! You call THAT a 90% support ?
GET LOST YOU IDIOT. IF YOU HAVE NO CREDIBLE SENSE OF PROPORTIONAL INTELLIGENCE - DON`T SPOUT YOUR RUBBISH TO THE REST OF US. Go away and suck your dummy.
AP report completely skews poll
Les Strickland
This is the title of an AP 'news' article: Poll: Voters souring on McCain, Obama stays steady
Yet, when you read the actual poll, it's a 44-42 race.
In fact, this poll shows Obama with higher unfavorable than McCcain, at least how I read it.
Obama 43 (Somewhat unfavorable 18 - very unfavorable 25)
McCain 42 (Somewhat unfavorable 20 - very unfavorable 22)
AND is shows that those of you who are undecided, who would you vote for if you had to choose today... McCain 18- Obama 14
gsdgjj
And today in Denver, Santa Claus was seen having lunch with the Easter Bunny and the Lucky Charm's Leprechaun.
REST IN PEACE - that says it all.
McCain and his piece of vile Arctic crap are dead and buried. They have properly screwed it up.
The old man can go home to his nursemaid Cindy and reminisce on the good times he had with his Gook pals in Hanoi, all paid for by dear Daddy in US dollars. Whilst that obnoxious, smelly female cretin can go back to her barely populated Arctic scrubland and get on with abusing her powers and killing defenseless animals.
She will be much happier amongst the few people up there who think she is a modern day Boadicea. 'Governor' of only 700,000 people ? There are more people on Palm Beach, Florida on any day in the week.
PRESIDENT OBAMA ! it is a 'black' day in US history, but that is all we have been given by these two idiotic political parties.
GOD HELP US ALL FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS.
Maybe it's time for everyone to lay down their swords and actually take into account that there are 4 probably very nice people who are wanting to serve this country the best they know how. They just have different ideas on how to do that, and maybe don't deserve the vile hate thrown out at any of them. Look at the candidates and decide which one to vote for and that's that. The chips will fall where they may and not everyone is going to be happy with the results, but guess what.....that's called 'life'.
The choice is very simple for America - Obama or certain doom
I am ready for a CHANGE!
Besides McCain is a pale skinned white dude with a metal plate in his ugly face. He was a pilot with poor skills that's why he got shot down. Than he got the bejesus kicked out of him, that's why he's got that robotic arm movement.
So, I espee will vote for Obama!
McCain still gets nightmares from his days and nights at the Hanoi Hilton where he stayed after they shot his plane down. So who wants a mental case as our president????
NOT ME!!!!
SP4 for Barak Obama.
Hey, I am also ready for a change!
Spitfire for Barak Obama.
ESS PEE has been screaming Republican ever since this fiasco started 12 months ago.
For ESS PEE to change and commit his vote to OBAMA a Dem means that the Reps with old man McCain and that hideous stinking bitch from Alaska have really shit on their own boots. ESS PEE is NOT an idiot, he knows the difference between a pile of crap and a caviar sandwich.
I don`t like blacks, I think as a race they are sub-human and am proud of it. If you call me racist, then get lost, I could not give a shit, have a nice day, BUT there is NO other choice, OBAMA it has to be.
McCain is just a frail old toss-pot and his running mate a heinous bitch with no experience of REAL political affairs. SHE is a walking disaster and catastrophe waiting to happen. When they faced each other on TV, McCain looked like he had one foot in the grave, whilst OBAMA was vibrant, energetic and bright.
So, President OBAMA it is and although he is a black man, to be fair, he appears to have the energy and enthusiasm to take up this great challenge.
Good luck to him, I do hope he brings change and prosperity to America and it`s people. HE LOOKS THE PART, GIVE HIM A CHANCE.
Forget McCain and his Arctic bitch, they are about as good for America as a hole in the head. The walking dead. Was it cold in the ground last night ?
@THE NEW MESSIAH
'I don`t like blacks, I think as a race they are sub-human and am proud of it'
Unless you come from Mars, your genetic makeup contains a proportion of African ancestry (which of course means Black in your terms.
See below -
Almost everyone wherever they may live throughout the world, can trace their ancestry back to one of seven women, the Seven Daughters of Eve - now named Ursula, Xenia, Helena, Velda, Tara, Katrine, and Jasmine.
From these seven women, our origins can be traced, how and where our ancient genetic ancestors lived, and how we are each living proof of the almost indestructible strands of DNA, which have survived over so many thousands of years. Using DNA samples from two living relatives, of the remains of Tsar Nicholas and Tsaress Alexandra, to the Caribbean woman whose family had been sold into slavery centuries before and whose ancestry has been traced back to the Eastern coast of central Africa. Ultimately, investigation reveals that, as a race, what humans have in common is more deeply embedded than what separates us.
It is unwise to throw stones when in a glasshouse ! You obviously need to do a bit of rethinking about your racist prejudices, since (from your definition above) you are also 'a race ... that is sub-human'
Even a strong Republican like Colin Powell endorses Obama !!!
INCREDIBLE !!!!!
I never imagined that a civilised person could be so sick in the mind as you. What utter lunatic dribble you have written. SEVEN WOMEN - you are MAD, even the most idiotic bible thumper would never come up with crap like THAT.
It is NOT seven women you disgusting freak, it is the APE - THAT IS WHERE YOU AND ALL THE REST OF US COME FROM. In your world of sheer stupidity, you obviously have never heard of Charles Darwin.
In 2008, I cannot believe that ANYBODY does not understand the scientific evidence of the evolution of life on Earth. Jesus Christ, we all learn it at infant school.
For the sake of all sane people, go back to your padded cell and stay there.
Yes your headless chicken act is very impressive. Now face up to some facts -
The Seven Daughters of Eve (2001, ISBN 0-393-02018-5) is a book by Bryan Sykes that presents the theory of Human mitochondrial genetics to a general audience. Sykes explains the principles of genetics and human evolution, the particularities of mitochondrial genetics, and analyses of ancient DNA to genetically link modern humans to prehistoric ancestors.
Following the developments of mitochondrial genetics, Sykes traces back human migrations, discusses the out of Africa theory and refutes Heyerdahl's theory of the Peruvian origin of the Polynesians, which opposed the theory of their origin in Indonesia. He also describes the use of mitochondrial DNA in identifying the remains of Czar Nicholas II, and in assessing the genetic makeup of modern Europe.
The title of the book comes from one of the principal achievements of mitochondrial genetics, which is the classification of all modern Europeans into seven groups, the mitochondrial haplogroups. Each haplogroup is defined by set of characteristic mutations on the mitochondrial genome, and can be traced along a person's maternal line to a specific prehistoric woman. Sykes refers to these women as 'clan mothers', though these women did not all live concurrently, and indeed some 'clan mothers' are descended from others (although not maternally). All these women in turn shared a common maternal ancestor, the Mitochondrial Eve.
@To; -Gene
In your rather rabid response to Gene's original post, you said -
'In 2008, I cannot believe that ANYBODY does not understand the scientific evidence of the evolution of life on Earth. Jesus Christ, we all learn it at infant school.'
You appear to have defined YOURSELF extremely well. The process described showing the descent from the 7 (sometimes described as 12) females who remained in Africa after one of the near-extinction episodes IS EVOLUTION. After their descendents emerged from Africa they spread around the globe. This is not new information
If you are descended from European stock then you will have some genetic link back to one of them.
Equally, if you are of Native American stock, there will also be a link back, but via the crossing of these people's ancestors from the Far East via the Bering Strait land bridge and the gradual spread throughout all of the Americas. These people in the Far East had a link back to the emerging African ancestors
If your ancestors are African a similar link back exists.
If your ancestors were Middle Eastern, they were predominently dark skinned and also had a link back.
Similar links back exist for all the peoples of the World
So, whatever your ancestry, there will be a genetic fingerprint back to your original African (and dark skinned - however much you try to deny it) ancestry many hundreds of generations back
SEVEN WOMEN - YOU FREAKS.
I have not defined anything, Darwin, the decades of scientists and other scholars have. I am just a sane educated individual with no hang-ups, but the enthusiasm to LEARN.
YES ! I have a genetic fingerprint back to Africa, but it is a damned APE`S and nothing to do with your fairy tale SEVEN WOMEN. I am a Caucasian and proud of it.
Did you ever learn in your lunatic scriptures where the hell the SEVEN MEN were ? Or did we all grow under a gooseberry bush ?
Get lost you freaks and don`t waste space on these pages for your religious shit. It is supposed to be a CURRENT AFFAIRS site, not a site for religious maniacs without a scientific atom in their entire brain.
You are wasting our time - go and dance round your totem pole, leave us intellectuals alone.
In spite of your bluster and ranting, you reveal a complete lack of knowledge about evolution and Darwin (which you quote as if you understood something).
Your question about the Males involved immediately shows your lack of understanding of DNA/genetics, since the links only work via the female line.
So you are Caucasian. Fine - your ancestors were originally dark skinned but lost this pigmentation over many generations as they moved further North from Africa and had less need for protection from the harmful effects of the sun.
You claim ancestry to apes - again that is fine. But the distinction between Ape Women and Home Sapiens Women so far back is meaningless. The important point is that they were female ancestors
I suggest you follow up on some research - there are plenty of references on the Web. Then perhaps you might take a more rational view and get out of your state of denial about having dark skinned ancestors in the dim and distant past, even if it does offend your in built prejudices and racial(racist) beliefs
PS - do you also have a religious hang-up ? I have said nothing about religion yet you accuse me of having some religious agenda. I am actually a scientist and an atheist
Right, I presume PHIL stands for PHILISTINE.
I have one last word to say to you freaks on this insane literary diarrhea of yours and here it is ;-
BOLLOCKS
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Over and out.
Yes, that seems to sum up the depth of your intelectual achievements. 'I don't understand, but if I shout loudly enough I'll win the argument'.
Pathetic and typically American
We don`t have an argument chum - fairy stories vs. science is a no contest.
By the way Americans are not the only people who think you are completely off your rocker - I DO, AND I AM NEITHER AMERICAN OR CANADIAN. I come from Mars - Gene said so.
Don`t refer me to the Web - that is so full of shit dependent on who writes it.
Phil - thanks for your input It seems we've touched a raw nerve with someone who must be very sensitive about their roots. My original comment was only to point out the absurdity of his ingrained racist attitude, but clearly he is unable to deal with such comments or to take a rational view about scientific facts. Now he even refuses to look up information on the Web - probably he can't face the truth, so tries to ignore it and deny facts.
Shooting the messenger never did invalidate the message !
You insulting uneducated pig.
I suppose an M.Sc in Physics and a B.Sc in Mathematics and Aerodynamics does not qualify me to 'take a rational view of scientific facts' !!
The sort of information you should be considering instead of racist delusions -
Albinos--The Origin of the Caucasian Race?
As new information comes down the pike, it is necessary to rethink theories that were once in place. The origin and labeling of the “so called” Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongoloid Races by 19th Century scientists, started racial groupings based on skin color by naturalists and anthropologists like Johann F. Blumenbach, JA Gobineau and HS Chamberlain. These men also equated skin color to psychological value and importance to race. Blumenbach named whites after the Caucasus Mountains because he thought the purest white people originated there. He didn't seem to realize the following:
Russia, Chechens, Armenians, and other Southern Russians are considered to have Black Negro origins and CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS PEOPLE ARE CLASSIFIED AS 'BLACK,' AND ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. The fact is, BLACKS HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHERN RUSSIA SINCE PREHISTORIC TIMES AND HAVE OCCUPIED THE BLACK SEA REGION SINCE THE TIME OF Senwosret/Sesostris (2000 BC) WHEN AFRICANS DOMINATED THE REGION (SEE 'HERODOTUS' ON THE COLCHIANS).
FROM AFRICA – NOT TO AFRICA!
Today The American Anthropological Association declares there is no such thing as race which is merely a “social construct.” If that is the new scientific principle, then….
MANKIND IS NEGROID! – THE ONLY RACE (ETHNIC GROUP) THAT EVER EXISTED IS NEGROID!
There are plenty of scientific facts to back up this principle. According to The South African Institute for Medical Research in review – Journal of South African Science, THE HIGH FREQUENCY OF ALBINISM IN AFRICA provides more clues to early African history. The Department of Human Genetics at the SAIMR is currently involved with numerous research projects, most related to human genetic disorders and population origins--one of these, ‘Albinism in African peoples’ having received particular attention because it offers new insights into the historical movement of peoples in sub-Saharan Africa.
The albinism syndrome shows parallels with sickle cell anemia. The carrier of the sickle cell mutation is at an advantage in regions where malaria is hyperendemic, which includes large areas of Africa.
About one in 35 southern African blacks is a carrier of an albinism mutation, a surprisingly high prevalence for a genetic disorder where the homozygote is at a survival disadvantage. It is postulated that the albinism carrier may actually be at an advantage, possibly also with malaria as the selective agent. It has been suggested that mosquitoes are less likely to alight and take blood from a lighter-skinned person and thus the albinism carrier may be at an advantage over darker-skinned people. The testing of this hypothesis is opening up a new line of research into malaria studies, which may yet show some other selective agent may be responsible for the high frequency of albinism in Africa.
The new scientific genetic information derived from the Human Genome Project, an international effort to decode the information embedded in the human genome, confirmed to the world by scientists in the East Room of the White House (June, 2000). We all evolved in the last 100,000 years from the same small number of tribes that migrated out of Africa and colonized the world'. 'All human beings are 99.99% the same at the DNA level and the remaining 0.1% genetic variation that exist seldom segregate in a manner that confirms to the racial boundaries constructed by social political means.”
Many years before the Human Genome's Project announcement of its historical DNA findings on so called 'race' (in June of 2000), historians have revealed that human beings, during the primitive era in ancient/antiquity Africa - The Origin of Humankind/Humanity states that due to the lack of knowledge about inbreeding (between closely related parents) they did not understand why their off spring were born with 'white skin.' Scientists say 'white skin' is a form of Albinism (a genetic defected offspring -- lacking melanin).
there is loads of information on the Human Genome Project on WWW.
Much of it is facinating.
However tell any white racist supremisist that he is 98% black, then expect the usual rantings and ravings from the ignorant who have never heard of either DNA nor Human Genome Project .
LOL
in hospital after a car accident.I never got around to asking the eight blood donors if they were white or black.
We all share the same blood types and I am alive..
Sounds like some of the hate from Palin's rallies has found it's way to this site. I feel like Obama is certainly the best person for the job according to his policies, intelligence, youth, and VP pick among other issues. I didn't vote for McCain for the very opposite reasons.
Wherever did you get such crap from ? Why don`t you read up the volumes scientific facts about human evolution instead of poisoning your tiny brain-box with this kind of shit.
Start with Darwin and work forward. In about 20 years, providing your reading ability is adequate, you just may have covered it all and with a lot of mind bending on your part, 'understood' some of it.
I doubt it - you seem so thick that I reckon you are a member of the Flat Earth Society as well. You are so dumb headed that you would believe that load of shit too.
Are you back inside tomorrow ? I do know they let nutters like you out for the weekend if they pose no threat to the public.
Go build an ark, the end of the world is coming - NO not OBAMA, the God`s are angry. Take your crack-pot mates with you. It looks from the posts you have quite a group of nutters around.
I have not the time or patience to explain the evolution of the human race
to the likes of you. Instead of reading screwball crap, read up on Anthropology. For your tiny brain - it IS an exact science.
A bit ironic to tell me to read the information - you have clearly ignored the very clear information I gave in the above. Never mind - if you can't face facts, bury your head in the sand,then no one can tell that you're really black skinned deep down
www.dnaancestryproject.com/?gclid=COCNqoWDtJYCFQyR1QodB0jZLg
Your link didn't work
However, why do you not simply state where - if you have a genetic link back to some uniquely white skinned ancestry - this area is ?
This would be a great revelation since it doesn't fit the facts of dark skinned origins coming out of Africa, but maybe your scientific experience has provided such evidence. If you cannot provide it then I must assume you are basing your apparent belief in white skinned supremacy, and your case in particular, on a lie. If you can live your life on such a falsehood then one must feel very sorry for you
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