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I bet a week's pay it's a scam like everything else about him
Pay up sunshine. By the way learn to spell. I know exactly where to spend that $1.98, that you earn as a burger flipper.
Your story about Obama's trip to Hawaii to visit his Grandmother is inaccurate in one detail. You say '...the woman who raised him after his mother died...' Barack was a grown man when his mother died. His grandmother and grandfather helped raise him throughout childhood, as the story says later.
In his first book, Obama talks about this time: When he was a child the family decided Barack should live with his white grandparents and go to school in Hawaii so he would grow up American. His Mother was married to her second husband, sister Maya's father, and living in Indonesia at the time.
Ok, Suspiscious (sic),
I'll take the bet. But you'll have to tell me what's the scam. That he has a grandmother that raised him. That she lives in Hawaii,. That she's sick. Or that he's actually visiting her. Or that he cares at all for her, and he's only traveling to see her for some kind of sympathy vote? My guess is that's its so easy to determine if she is truly ill, that it would be a huge risk to try and 'scam' voters by faking the purpose of the visit.
Please donate the weeks salary to a local charity, preferably a hospice.
Charles
This is no time for cynical or insensitive remarks. The man's grandmother is failing. He is good man, and my heart goes out to him.
People never cease to amaze me. His grandmother may die soon. He wants to see her before that happens! All of us that care for our own families can understand that, how does this play into politics? Pathetic! If you had any sole you would offer prayers instead of criticisms.
Why is everyone so stupid? Everyone knows that Obama (soetoro) went to Hawaii to find a birth certificate that doesn't exist, he was called into court there (Hawaii) and they are trying to hide it. He is being questioned as to the validity of his citizenship. He is not a natural-born American citizen, so he cannot run for President of the United States. Just google Berg vs. Obama. There are hundreds of cases being filed against him for this reason. The october surprise is that he will be taken off the ticket and McCain will get it by default. Game over. Then the race wars start and soon after, we will be attacked by some country who thinks we are weak...get your guns, ammo, food and water and look into setting up some kind of shelter for nuclear, biological and/or chemical defenses. Good luck!
'People never cease to amaze me. His grandmother may die soon'
She has been sick for ages, now Obama is milking it for sympathy.
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The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.
Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who’s been cramming on these issues for the past year, who’s never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of “a world that stands as one”), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as “the tragedy of 9/11,” a term more appropriate for a bus accident?
Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?
There’s just no comparison. Obama’s own running mate warned this week that Obama’s youth and inexperience will invite a crisis — indeed a crisis “generated” precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test? -Charles Krauthammer
'My guess is that's its so easy to determine if she is truly ill, that it would be a huge risk to try and 'scam' voters by faking the purpose of the visit.'
Why be shy about scamming the voters now? His entire campaign has been a scam. What else can you call a freshman senator who has surrounded himself with radicals all his life running for president after 143 days in the senate and being propped up by George Soros and foreign money?
It has been one scam after another.
the Republicans are spreading their hateful remarks, just the thing that fits with McCain/Palin. They are getting desperate and don't know what else to do but fling the crap! It says a lot for the followers of these candidates.
I hope she recovers (as I wish no one ill will). I also hope that if Obama is elected no one in his family gets sick during an international crisis. While Barak may believe the American electorate understands his absence, I doubt Putin or Ahmadinejad would. When McCain suspended his campaign it was for the country, not his own self interest.
I think this story has caught the rabid right off guard. It doesn't fit with the persona they have spent so much propaganda on creating for Obama.
Let's see terrorists and radicals would not love their grandma's right? They are such despicable people that they are inhuman. That is the spin that Rush and other such are trying to make of Obama. That he is despicable.
SO, they must discredit this story as just a tactic or else voters may learn the real truth. Obama is a guy who loves his family and has values that very closely reflect that of most of us.
Suspicious(sp)
I hope someone who raised you is gravely ill somewhere and someone questions you motive for doing something kind for them.
I cannot see how visiting a relative is, somehow, nefarious in any way.
Ok, before Obama made his campaign announcement to visit his grandmother, how many readers here actually have heard Obama mention about his grandmother (not the typical-white-person spill but) being gravely ill and about to pass away? When was there ever a time before he took off that he has shown concern about his grandmother being in the hospital? How many here even knew she was in the hospital before this? I am suspicious myself. This is a guy who has a half brother living in pure poverty on pennies a day and not a word of concern from him, Barack Obama.
JT
Sorry, but this coincides with key dates in a lawsuit there. He as much as acknowledged the charges by failing to appear. Since he has never submitted an actual birth certificate & there is strong evidence he was actually born in Kenya & never went through the stages of becoming a citizen (not eligible to be POTUS in either case), there is credible reason to suspect another agenda; that she is among the last around to know the truth. With her out of the way, the Court loses a key witness. Since links are not allowed here, look up keywords at obamacrimes,Philip J. Berg,pajamasmedia, israelnationalnews, contrariancommentary.wordpress, Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN, youtube; watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs among MANY other well documented locations. Follow the money trail... factchecker is a creature of Annenberg, conflict of interest with Ayers/Obama & not reliable. Who will watch the 'watchers'?
'.....Barack Obama's refusal to release and make public the following:
* A certified, authenticated birth certificate
* College transcripts from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard
* Senior thesis written at Columbia
* Writings from Harvard
* Full medical records
Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes.
'Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal)
grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack
Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic
candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her
grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud
because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery
room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania
attorney Philip J. Berg (see video) who is, surprisingly, a life
long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of
Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as
a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it
comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama. '
It is unfortunate how many people absolutely refuse to believe anything positive about Obama. This man could fix the economy, provide every American citizen with healthcare and end the war in Iraq and people would still question his motives. He has answered the questions about his past several times and yet the questions remain. Are you waiting for a different answer? What does the man have to do? Better yet, admit that there is nothing he can do to gain your trust because you will never see him as anything more than a skin color...
Questions about Obama's citizenship? You guys are so pathetic.
Obama's mother was a US citizen. Guess what? That makes Obama a US citizen automatically, regardless of where he was born.
Is this his racist grandmother he talked about earlier in his campaign when the Rev. Wright videos were found?
I live in Hawaii. In fact I live less than 20 minutes from where his grandmother lives. And yes, he did land here to visit his ailing grandmother, yes our local satanic liberal elitist media was there with cameras, yes she is ill and yes this man loves his grandmother. If John McCains mother was ill and he had to go and see her before a turn for the worst (god forbid no one with half a heart wants this for ANYONE), us on the left side wouldn't be sitting here blasting out GARBAGE like this because we respect both candidates DUTY to focus on family in dire times. Heck, we even hope that they have that in the mettle of their character because we all value our ties with family and it's sphere of influence in who we become as adults.
In Hawaii, family (also known as ohana) is truly sacred in it's own very unique way. We are all family here, and that's the mentality we have despite all glaring differences of race, sex, education and political affiliation. This was also a part of this man's upbringing while in Hawaii. It never leaves you because it's such a strong positive aspect of living here even after you move somewhere else. I know this, I've moved all over the country and it stuck with me and others who transplanted as well.
Back off and take your tin foil hats off. Show some respect for an elderly person who is ill... one day it will be you too. You guys are getting uglier in your attitudes by the minute.
I live in a fishing village and we get a lot of Americans here. Things are coming to a boiling point, the visiting savages are totally out of control in their attitudes, language and behavior. Soon they will not be welcome at all. We got along just fine before, without the tourorrist dollars. We'll do fine again without them. While it is nice to have tourists enjoy our fantastic scenery and fishing, this is NOT the USA. Looking at all the comments on M&C, I can safely assume that these people are Republicans. No one else is as uncivilised as them.
' It is unfortunate how many people absolutely refuse to believe anything positive about Obama. This man could fix the economy, '
Like Carted did? Or LBJ?
' provide every American citizen with healthcare'
Who is going to pay for all that? Do you think he has a magic wand? Probably...
'and end the war in Iraq '
You mean LOSE the war in Iraq. A war that we are on the threashold of winning.
' He has answered the questions about his past several times and yet the questions remain'
Because he is a proven liar.
'Better yet, admit that there is nothing he can do to gain your trust because you will never see him as anything more than a skin color...'
So trust a proven liar with a disturbing record or you are a racist... yeah, heard that argument before.
'hings are coming to a boiling point, the visiting savages are totally out of control in their attitudes, language and behavior. Soon they will not be welcome at all.'
Put up a sign, 'no Americans'.
'this is NOT the USA.'
That explains your petty envy. Where is 'this'?
You really have to feel sorry for the Republicans who can't even stop the political evilness for two days until Obama returns from Hawaii. The GOP don't stand a chance this election and they need to come to the realization that their days are over, possibly for good. Light at the end of the tunnel, Amen.
'If John McCains mother was ill and he had to go and see her before a turn for the worst (god forbid no one with half a heart wants this for ANYONE), us on the left side wouldn't be sitting here blasting out GARBAGE like this because we respect both candidates DUTY to focus on family in dire times.'
You must be joking! My god you must be joking! McCain has been called a traitor, a Vietnamese collaborator, a senile fool, Palin has been subjected to truly vicious and crazy hate mongering, as have her family, including a handicapped child. The left has shown that there is no bottom that they wont sink to.
That said, this has been milked for as much publicity as possible.
'In Hawaii, family (also known as ohana) is truly sacred in it's own very unique way'
Is it the same way in Indonesia?
'. This was also a part of this man's upbringing while in Hawaii.'
His upbringing in Chicago was to be taught that the white people in the USA created AIDS to kill minorities.
' Show some respect for an elderly person who is ill'
I hope sincerely hope Mrs. Dunaham gets well soon. I also hope that she has plenty of time to spend with her grandchild when he gets defeated in November.
' You guys are getting uglier in your attitudes by the minute.'
You aint seen nothing yet.
For those who keep insisting Obama is not an American citizens,
Philip Berg, the man who is suing Obama about citizenship, also sued Bush/Cheney in 2004 (election year) for creating 9/11. That lawsuit, like the citizenship lawsuit, is also pending. Now, I say we should all go and start spreading accusation that Bush/Cheney are terrorists.
Why Obama doesn't show his certificate? He did.
Why Obama doesn't want to deal this lawsuit? It's baseless and pointless.
Why do some people believe Mr.Berg? They're easy led.
Obama traveled to Europe this summer with his U.S. Passport. Obvious the European nations should be sued also by Mr.Berg for obscuring truth.
Actually fixing the health care system would be easy enough.First you need to know you have the most expensive system in the world.Yet it rates quite low .So improving it and making it accessible for all wull only make it cheaper.The problem is that the insurance companies that are supposed to cover you care for one thing above all:maximum profit .
Once the profit is taken out of the equation ,all the money is going to where it needs to go.Shouldn't be too difficult.We do it.
McCain unfortunately is funded by the insurance companies,a very powerful lobby withing the GOP campaign.
'The GOP don't stand a chance this election and they need to come to the realization that their days are over, possibly for good. '
Don't count on it. You might just get the same 'politics before country' that the democrats have subjected Bush to for the past 8 years.
Actually a litle googling would have showed you this:
/www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Now tell me again it is impossible to have your country performing better ....to me that would be the real anti americanism which consist of coping with a mediocre system and trying to portray it as performing well.
McCain will do nothing to improve it,all his proposed measures are merely pouring more money into the insurance companies bank accounts .the only smart solution is to bypass them.
'Actually fixing the health care system would be easy enough.'
Sure, turn it over to the government and they will fix it like they fix everything else.
'he problem is that the insurance companies that are supposed to cover you care for one thing above all:maximum profit .
Once the profit is taken out of the equation ,all the money is going to where it needs to go.'
Once you take profit out of the equation doctors will find something else to do that is profitable. Once you take profit out of the equation, drug companies will do something else that is profitable. Once you take profit out of the equation people WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE, you idiot. Why develop a drug or build an MRI If you have some flunky who used to work at the motor vehicles giving out license plates telling you that you can't make a profit off of it?
'McCain unfortunately is funded by the insurance companies,'
That is a lie, another one from tonny. Obama has taken as much from the medical industry.
If monsters and Critics were a stellar blog, reading it might be worth the irritation of crawling pop-ups and advertising links scattered throught the articles. It isn't. This practice clearly indicates the blog's desperation to seell ads. When ads are splashed across an article, it means that ads are more inportant to the blog than content. There you have it, Monsters and Critics. Now be a good little spammer and block my IP.
McCain suspended his campaign for the good of the country - not! He did nothing, nor was he exactly welcomed in Washington at first. If anyone thinks Obama visiting his grandmother is a political ploy, well then you can damn well bet that was what McCain was trying to do!!!
Why the U.S. Ranks Low on WHO's Health-Care Study
By John Stossel
The New York Times recently declared 'the disturbing truth ... that ... the United States is a laggard not a leader in providing good medical care.'
As usual, the Times editors get it wrong.
They find evidence in a 2000 World Health Organization (WHO) rating of 191 nations and a Commonwealth Fund study of wealthy nations published last May. In the WHO rankings, the United States finished 37th, behind nations like Morocco, Cyprus and Costa Rica. Finishing first and second were France and Italy. Michael Moore makes much of this in his movie 'Sicko.'[...]
So the verdict is in. The vaunted U.S. medical system is one of the worst.
But there's less to these studies than meets the eye. They measure something other than quality of medical care. So saying that the U.S. finished behind those other countries is misleading.
First let's acknowledge that the U.S. medical system has serious problems. But the problems stem from departures from free-market principles. The system is riddled with tax manipulation, costly insurance mandates and bureaucratic interference. Most important, six out of seven health-care dollars are spent by third parties, which means that most consumers exercise no cost-consciousness. As Milton Friedman always pointed out, no one spends other people's money as carefully as he spends his own.
Even with all that, it strains credulity to hear that the U.S. ranks far from the top. Sick people come to the United States for treatment. When was the last time you heard of someone leaving this country to get medical care? The last famous case I can remember is Rock Hudson, who went to France in the 1980s to seek treatment for AIDS.
So what's wrong with the WHO.. study? Let me count the ways.
The WHO judged a country's quality of health on life expectancy. But that's a lousy measure of a health-care system. Many things that cause premature death have nothing do with medical care. We have far more fatal transportation accidents than other countries. That's not a health-care problem.
Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.
When you adjust for these 'fatal injury' rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.
Diet and lack of exercise also bring down average life expectancy.
Another reason the U.S. didn't score high in the WHO rankings is that we are less socialistic than other nations. What has that got to do with the quality of health care? For the authors of the study, it's crucial. The WHO judged countries not on the absolute quality of health care, but on how 'fairly' health care of any quality is 'distributed.' The problem here is obvious. By that criterion, a country with high-quality care overall but 'unequal distribution' would rank below a country with lower quality care but equal distribution.
It's when this so-called 'fairness,' a highly subjective standard, is factored in that the U.S. scores go south.
The U.S. ranking is influenced heavily by the number of people -- 45 million -- without medical insurance. As I reported in previous columns, our government aggravates that problem by making insurance artificially expensive with, for example, mandates for coverage that many people would not choose and forbidding us to buy policies from companies in another state.
Even with these interventions, the 45 million figure is misleading. Thirty-seven percent of that group live in households making more than $50,000 a year, says the U.S. Census Bureau. Nineteen percent are in households making more than $75,000 a year; 20 percent are not citizens, and 33 percent are eligible for existing government programs but are not enrolled.
For all its problems, the U.S. ranks at the top for quality of care and innovation, including development of life-saving drugs. It 'falters' only when the criterion is proximity to socialized medicine.
ncredible.........
'McCain suspended his campaign for the good of the country - not!'
Of course it was.
'He did nothing'
Not true.
'nor was he exactly welcomed in Washington at first.'
Maybe not by nancy Pelosi...
Hey Suspicious,
It was only a matter of time before your kind turned up regarding this story to toss out a conspiracy theory. You and your kind are the single greatest asset to the Democratic party. I encourage you to have lunch sometime with Rep. Bachman of Minnesota. She's gonna have lots of time on her hands in about 11 days after her McCarthyism.
To suggest that he left the campaign as a stunt is so hypocritical when you consider all the stunts McCain has pulled starting with the Palin pick and pretending to suspend his campaign to swoop in and save the country. When Obama's grandmother dies, I'm sure you won't be apologetic...you'll be onto you latest Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly inspired comspiracy theory. Wow, get a life dude.
'I want to give her a kiss and a hug,' Obama told ABC. 'And then we're going to find out what chores I can do, because I'm sure there's been some stuff that's been left undone.'
That's exactly what my family did when my grandma was passing away. It's what I would hope my family would do, and I'll consider myself blessed if they are.
I know it's hard for those who want to vilify Obama to admit this, but it really is possible that he is a normal guy who loves his grandmother and wants to be there if her time is coming. He really could be a regular American - a really smart ambitious regular American - with family that he loves.
Get over it. Otherwise, you're in for more years just like the Clinton presidency, where a good president made the country stronger, safer and wealthier amid a neverending cacophony of hate, plots, and accusations from the Right. And, gosh, doesn't that sound like fun?
It has to be true about hus grandmother cuz it's too risky to lie about something that's too easily disproved. The press would be all over it if it wasn't true.
Hawaii guy here again. Let's play a game. It's called 'Paint the Kettle Black'...
You: 'You must be joking! My god you must be joking! McCain has been called a traitor, a Vietnamese collaborator, a senile fool, Palin has been subjected to truly vicious and crazy hate mongering, as have her family, including a handicapped child. The left has shown that there is no bottom that they wont sink to. That said, this has been milked for as much publicity as possible.'
Me: Sorta like how McCain 'suspended' his campaign? Na, there was no media frenzy around that. And McCain and his people sure as heck never touted that as a reflection of the man's character did they? It was never once trying to be sold to all of us as some sort of talking point about how dedicated he is bla bla bla. In regards to the name calling, I'll speak for myself, and probably many other people on this side of the aisle about the name calling from BOTH parties: we don't care about it because it's all part of the big election game. Misinformation, propaganda, libel, smears.. it happens every election. We just want fixes to the nations problems, so the verbal assaults are just noisemakers over and over. Assaults on each others character isn't helping my mortgage get any better, so I don't care. Do you? Is it really gonna affect you in 6 months either way? Did it pay down any bills for you?
You: 'Is it the same way in Indonesia?'
Me: Wouldn't know, never been there. You? No? Ok, well maybe you should find someone who has. But then again, why bother? What the hell does this question even mean? Is it some kind of swipe in regards from him spending time out there as a kid? If so, then let's go get all up in arms about McCain being born in the canal zone of Panama Canal. Really pointless.. I don't care where either were born as long as they are both American citizens and they are truthful and honorable in their intentions. But guess what; we won't know that until the time comes.
You: 'His upbringing in Chicago was to be taught that the white people in the USA created AIDS to kill minorities.'
Me: Holy mole you are one freaky dude. Prove this. Please prove this. That's a funny point to make considering his mother is white, therefore (do the math here) he is.... yes there ya go.. half white. So who taught him this? Gonna go with Ayers again? Sorry AIDS wasn't even mainstream yet when Obama was 8, and wasn't even a blip on the US medical radar. Try again. Oh wait, his reverend! Of course! Too bad the mean old Reverend has co-chaired an inner-city AIDS awareness initiative since the 1980's. Well shoot.. who can we tar and feather now. Pack up your burning cross Cleetus.
You: 'You aint seen nothing yet.'
Me: Classy. Good for you. Go out there and keep up the good fight. Try not to wonder why people think you're a loon after you get done with your tirades without proof or, and this is truly telling, your inability to think for yourself. You read all this stuff on some site you probably frequent often to get your talking points. So therefore if it's on the internet, it must be true. Diversify your research, save links from reliable AUTHENTICATED sources which include media from ALL OVER the world, instead of repeatedly buying the same lines from the party faithful. It's their job to rev you up on whatever they can slip into the media, but is it your job to buy it? Be your own reporter.
Best of luck out there. May the best man win this election, and may our country start to heal.
didnt he take his swearing in oath on the koran. if he did thats kinda scary to me.are we sure hes an american , wouldnt that be something for them to get one of their own in office.that they could pull that off. and with everything that is going on.wouldn't that be the big shocker.
I am not an American, but lives in US as non-immigrant. I am shocked to read some of evil/narrow mined comments here in this blog. We all have relative and close ones, some of them are priceless. I admire obama for taking some time off and visiting his ailing grandma. Please show some compassion and human values and at least keep politics whether it is left or right aside and treat every one with respect and dignity.
Very funny ,citing John Stossel in an effort to refute the WHO.
Is that the same John Stossel that clims gun control raises crime figures??
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA
If he is explain to me why 30.000 people get killed by guns in the USa every year but comparably much less in any european county .
Piling up lie after lie from a libertarian simpleton is no match for the official WHO figures.Those are UN standards mate,nothing to do with the biased comment from a right wing John Stossel.
So for the good record I'll post the listing:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
Pretty disturbing facts for the GOP
To claim it is irrelevant is anti american,isn't it ?
We fixed my country,now will you help fix yours ?
When will this country grow up? Paranoid voters questioning a man's empathy for his grandma ... another scratching a 'B' on her face and blaming it on 'a 6'4' black man' (disproven by police polygraph) ... these after believing that the 'mission is accomplished' in Iraq 4 years ago and accepting torture. I can understand why other nations (and many Americans) consider the US dangerous.
It will be easier to change the president than it will be to change Americans' hearts and minds.
1 France - invaded by a facist neighbor - participated in Mass murder
2 Italy - ditto
3 San Marino ?
4 Andorra ?
5 Malta - threatened by facist neighbor
6 Singapore - semi-authoritarian regime
7 Spain - fought facist war with guns owned by individuals...
8 Oman - yeah, right
9 Austria - subjugated by facist neighbor
10 Japan - subjugated by facists
11 Norway - invaded by facist neighbors
12 Portugal - yeah, right
13 Monaco - see :france'
14 Greece - see 'france'
15 Iceland - too drunk to own a gun
16 Luxembourg - see ' france'
17 Netherlands - see 'france'
18 United Kingdom - you can own guns in UK as long as you own land..?
19 Ireland - conducted war of independence against foreign aggressor with guns..guess they don't need them now...just N. Ireland
20 Switzerland - avoided annexation by Germany via safe banking haven i.e. they were subjugated
21 Belgium - see 'france'
22 Colombia - why yes...only the drug dealers have guns Tonny
23 Sweden - see'france'
24 Cyprus - see 'Malta'
25 Germany - yes Tonny, Hitler banned gun ownership...I rest my case
26 Saudi Arabia - a bastion of freedom...see 'germany'
27 United Arab Emirates - another
28 Israel - guns are not banned there
29 Morocco - no wonder
30 Canada - no really banned
31 Finland - who cares
32 Australia - you can own guns there, depending on your location
33 Chile - nonsense
34 Denmark - sure they are
35 Dominica - get back to me
36 Costa Rica - hahahahahasha
37 United States of America - and here we are!
Pretty disturbing facts for the GOP
To claim it is irrelevant is anti american,isn't it ?
We fixed my country,now will you help fix yours ?
No, Tonny, this is the best list for selling the 2nd amendment I've ever seen!
Curious which nations ban, or strictly control, guns and are not on the list:
Russia
Afghanistan
N. Korea
China
India
almost every african nation
I have serious concern about your mental health,above poster.How would you explain the correlation of 'france being invaded by a fascist country to be of any relevance or even a remotely connected argument as to why it ouperfrms the USA in health care.
Furthermore you seem to be contradicting yourself when you cite John Stoffels,or at least he is.
I'll quote him:
Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.
When you adjust for these 'fatal injury' rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.
This is from the same guy that claims gun control will raise crime .See the flaws in there ?
Again I must urgge you to at least find some consistency in your arguments .Elections are about improving your country,not rambling without any coherence in vain support of a candidate.
Bugger off, Smiley D
You're an escapee from Bellevue.
Where is this place?
As if I'd tell you.
is the name of the game from the Republicans on Obama visiting his grandma, and the incredible number of reasons he's doing it. Guess that's the way their evil minds work - that they would have underhanded reasons for attending to family matters, making sure it would be of benefit to them......sad, but totally Republican!
My instincts tell me she was already dead before he left. And he, and his cronies knew it.
He learned that she was 'deathly ill) at the start of the week. Why didn't he leaver three days ago?
'didnt he take his swearing in oath on the koran'
No, he did not. Obama, being a Christian, used the Bible.
Your instincts? How about your inbred republicanistic sewer for a mind.
@You are an outsider to humanity.
Just as I thought: A jealous Canadian.
I have seen it all my life. No one resents the USA like the inhabitants of the 'other country' on North America.
You have had it drilled in to your head all your life that 'patriotism' is resenting Americans. How do I know this? I have a house in Canada, property in a 'small fishing village' and even Canadian relatives. The ones who aren't needy idiots just roll their eyes at the obvious propaganda and nonsense that is used to manipulate them. ('Vote NDP, or else the yanks will take us over...') However a few, as STUPID as you are just take it hook line and sinker.
Face it, you are a loser no matter what country you disgrace with your presence.
'Those are UN standards mate,nothing to do with the biased comment from a right wing John Stossel.'
That doesn't make them correct. Even if they were, which they are not, that doesn't mean that the way to reform health care in this country is to socialize it. Socialism does not work.
'We fixed my country,now will you help fix yours ?'
No, I have seen your country. It is NOT 'fixed'.
'No, he did not. Obama, being a Christian, used the Bible.'
You call the racist hate speech of Jeremiah Wright Christianity? Nope.
Jealous? Wrong again, as another poster says. And as others have said, crawl on back to Bellevue, you're off your medication and need a tune-up. You really do appear to be the lonely, hate filled web troll that people say you are. What exactly is your problem, lad? Do you know? Seek professional help, you need it.
Socialism does work. Communism as practised by Russia did not work. In fact the economic model of Russia was NOT communism, but rather it was state run capitalism. That is precisely why it failed. Communism ended in Russia with the putsch by Stalin in 1924. If you had received an education, rather than an indoctrination, you would know this.
'Wrong again, as another poster says.'
That was either me writing to you or another one of your split personalities.
' You really do appear to be the lonely, hate filled web troll that people say you are. '
That was either me writing to you or it is your psychological projection again. You have laid it all out for us here. The anger at the world not preventing your molestation... It is long past time you let your rage go. It is just another excuse for you being where you are. At some point you have to ask yourself how it is working for you.
'Socialism does work.'
No it doesn't. When government seizes (steals) the means of production of goods and/or services away from the marketplace it is adding on a level of inefficacy and unaccountability. If you want to see a case in point where Socialism has failed us take a look at freddie and fannie. Regardless, having seen the way socialized medicine 'functions' in Canada I can see why so many Canadians are down here.
'In fact the economic model of Russia was NOT communism, but rather it was state run capitalism.'
You are just regurgitating the Soviet era excuses for it's failure. State run Capitalism is EXACTLY the model that Obama wants to bring to the USA by the way.
'If you had received an education, rather than an indoctrination, you would know this.'
LOL... More projection. The free market can react faster and more effectively to changes in the marketplace then a government bureaucracy and people will work harder for themselves and their family then for some amorphous concept of the 'state'. Your 'education' may have told you otherwise but it is the hallmark of indoctrination that people are taught to cling to the theory in the face of overwhelming evidence and common sense.
So, this is how YOU win friends and influence allies. My God, lad, you ARE a nutter.
You certainly have the right attitude in your beautiful land that I've had the privilege of visiting yearly for the last 30 years. Family is a top priority to the Islanders, and Obama is proud to have spent his young years growing up there and absorbing this Aloha Spirit. More people should have this wonderful attitude regarding others.
This guy is something else. His Grandmother is old, she broke her hip, but she isn't going to die anytime soon. Wouldn't she still be in the FREAKING HOSPITAL if she were that sick??? And why would he announce he was suspending his campaign to visit his 'gravely ill' grandmother (who had already been sent home from the hospital) and then wait THREE days to make the trip, playing it up in media interviews in the mean time. He is such a fraud.
'So, this is how YOU win friends and influence allies. '
You and I are not friends and you are too pigheaded to be influenced.
'Family is a top priority to the Islanders, and Obama is proud to have spent his young years growing up there and absorbing this Aloha Spirit.'
How do you absorb the 'aloha spirit' in an an Indonesians school learning that there is an Islamic world and a world of the dirty infidel?
'to the sock puppet generator' has any friends at all. Other than imaginary ones that is. On second thought, even they wouldn't like him. That just leaves the friends he had to buy. But what sort of a friend can you buy with food stamps? Yup, he's pooched himself.
'But what sort of a friend can you buy with food stamps?'
He can buy dog food, but even his pooch ran away, so he's got to eat those Kibbles and Bits all by himself.
You haven't a clue, your thick head couldn't begin to understand.
Enlighten us, oh great and wise one of the web.
Let your wisdom shine forth and light our journey through life and into the Here-after.
On second thought, F*ck Off and die, web troll.
I may owe you an apology. If you are the target of that Smiley D a-hole, and replying to his attack, then I sincerely apologize for my retort. However, If you ARE the Smiley D a-hole who goes around attacking people, then I reiterate my last post. And redouble it in Spades.
and the Repubs are showing no compassion whatsoever let's continue.
Piggy Palin, the tundra tart is now screaming SEXISM over the criticism of her remake. She is also doing the shuck and jive on FOX as noted by the following.
'Those clothes are not my property. We had three days of using clothes that the RNC purchased,' Palin told Fox News in an interview that aired Thursday night.
In one shopping spree for Palin, the RNC spent $75,062 at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis. It also spent $49,425 at Saks Fifth Avenue and $4,902 at Atelier, a stylish men's store, and paid $92 for a romper and matching hat with ears for her infant son, Trig, at Pacifier, a Minneapolis baby store.
The McCain campaign reported paying $13,200 in September to celebrity makeup artist Amy Strozzi, who works on the reality show 'So You Think You Can Dance.' She was paid $22,800 for the first two weeks of October, nearly double what the campaign paid McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, according to a filing report.'
Oh. My. God. So now it is about $130,000 in clothes for 3, count 'em, 3 days. Those are HER words. $13,200 for make up in Sept. And a whopping $22,800 for the first two weeks of Oct. twice what a foreign policy advisor received, further proof thet the Repubs prefer style over substance. But the Repubs have no style whatsoever and even less class. $36,000 for face paint in 6 weeks? That is some fiscal responsibility. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Yup, you can paint a pig, but you can't get her snout out of the trough.
I wonder if...
'to the sock puppet generator' has any friends at all. Other than imaginary ones that is. On second thought, even they wouldn't like him. That just leaves the friends he had to buy. But what sort of a friend can you buy with food stamps? Yup, he's pooched himself.
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'But what sort of a friend can you buy with food stamps?'
He can buy dog food, but even his pooch ran away, so he's got to eat those Kibbles and Bits all by himself.
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You haven't a clue, your thick head couldn't begin to understand.
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Enlighten us, oh great and wise one of the web.
Let your wisdom shine forth and light our journey through life and into the Here-after.
On second thought, F*ck Off and die, web troll.
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I may owe you an apology. If you are the target of that Smiley D a-hole, and replying to his attack, then I sincerely apologize for my retort. However, If you ARE the Smiley D a-hole who goes around attacking people, then I reiterate my last post. And redouble it in Spades.
whatever.
'@Behold insanity & stupidity
whatever.'
That's the '13 year old cheerleader wannabe who has to settle for flag girl' personality from the schizophrenic shut-in speaking.
whatever
RE: 'While Barak may believe the American electorate understands his absence, I doubt Putin or Ahmadinejad would.'
Answer: Biden has his back.
People will decide whatto believe ,I hope rather on figures and statistics than on unsubstantiated affirmations .Especially if from sources as Sossel who claims the life expectancy is reduced by gun rlated crimes in one article and claims gun control will raise crime rates in another .I would never use a person contradicting himself so flagrantly as a source for anything ,especially if he can not substantiate his claims with any figures or statistics .It is also a n estzablished fact that health care in the USA costs almost twice as much as in Europe,per capita.I guess that,as well as the statistics take care of the affirmation that universal halth care causes redtape problems.I can vow for that,and so can your expats working in Belgium,there are thousands of US citizens in Brussels ,they see things a bit differently from GOP posters..
Here is their experienced vision;
www.expatica.com/be/survival/health/belgian-healthcare-system-1493.html
RE: 'You mean LOSE the war in Iraq. A war that we are on the threashold of winning.'
Answer: We will have won the 'war in Iraq' only if we never have to go back in and bloody up the place again.
RE: 'Sure, turn it over to the government and they will fix it like they fix everything else.'
Answer: Yes, just like they are fixing the war in Iraq, forevermore.
At tonny from belguim,
You are most definitely right, health care in America needs to be fixed sooner than later, especially for all those not able to afford good health care.
What Threshold?
RE: 'You mean LOSE the war in Iraq. A war that we are on the threshold of winning.'
Answer: We will have won the 'war in Iraq' only if we never have to go back in and bloody up the place again.
So.... like I said, Obvama will LOSE the war in Iraq. Indeed he will lose the war on islamist terrorism.
'I can vow for that,and so can your expats working in Belgium,there are thousands of US citizens in Brussels ,they see things a bit differently from GOP posters..'
I have been to Belgium and everything about it is tedious. Especially the sanctimonious french (And you ARE french, get over it) marxist parasites who don't know the first thing about the USA other then what they read in the guardian or Le Monde.
You have good health care because you are a bunch of leeches. You leech off the British for EU payments and you leech off the USA for defense. If Obama gets elected your free ride might end after our economy goes in the toilet and you can kiss your leeched health care that you never shut the hell up about goodbye.
It's too bad your 'leech off of someone else' health care system wouldn't work here. No one would let us mooch off them the way you routinely get away with.
Not only health care should be improved,most certainly also education.I find it interesting how the neocons always claim other countries leech of the USA whilst at the same time claiming they need to spends as much as the rest of the world combined on weapons to defend the 'free world' against ???
Muslim terrorists,Iran?North Korea?Who exactly ?
Reality is different of course,look at the plans to install rockets in Europe against the so called rogues states.Nobody wants them here at all,yet ther neocons keep pressuring us ?why ?
There is no threat from Iran .Just stupid neocon spin claiming the Iran,the economical and military equivalent of Finland is preparing to launch missiles on the USA or Europe .One has to be an intellectual moron in order to believe such nonsense.
Of course behind those intellectual simpletons there are the armamant merchants as usual.now that the cols war is over they found a new ennemy ti provide an excuse for absurd military spending .And of course the only candidate that is willing to increase even more the military budget is McCain.Hiding behind his back...the neocons.
These guys ,like CHeney are afraid Obama will get elected as then all the secret deals they made with Bush will come into the floodlights.
Right now gagging orders are preventing those that know about the secret deals between the GOP and the military industrial complex to speak out.I'm already enjoying the moment SIbel Edmonds will be invited to speak out freely after Obama is elected.
McCain likes to say that we're winning in Iraq. Well Last month 98 Iraqi policemen were killed, 164 people were killed, 366 wounded. Attacks killed 500 civilians - 17 a day, 17 American soldiers died, 102 wounded. 19000 Iraqis remain in American military prisons, 3 million driven from their homes have still not returned. Baghdad still just gets 11 hrs of electriticy each day compared to 20 hrs before the war. Granted things are better but a far cry from a unified, democratic, safe and stable nation that Bush, McCain and Palin tell us. This is all still not within reach as they are foisting this lie on the American people.
read was all about Barack.
Yes, the story is about Obama visiting an ailing relative. Unfortunately a small, but very vocal minority of brain dead GOP Spambots hijacked it. As if all their shouting and screaming, ranting and raving will do them or ther political party any good. There is one sad and very sick neocon individual who is the main Spammer and is easily dismissed as a lunatic.
Someone would have to tell me what gun control has to do with Obama's granny dying?
Personally, if I lived in some of America's neighborhoods, I'd actually dispense guns to law abiding citizens. It would be fun to see the result. It's odd that you rarely see gun violence in Salt Lake City, as opposed to Detroit. It's also interesting how a place like Chicago, where they've benned handguns, has such distinct gun violence.
That tells me something that my bretheren are unwilling to concede.
...as a citizen in Oregon you may have the distinction of being in the wrong party in the wrong state, but if this is the way you really feel, we already have plenty of democrats we can vote for in Oregon. Believe me, there is no shortage and that makes you about as uselful as an asshole on my right elbow. Now run along and send us someone who represents republicans, win or lose.
Thanks for admitting in your own words that this guy places his conviction above his own career,SP4.Nice from you to acknowledge that.
'that makes you about as uselful as an asshole on my right elbow.'
EssPee, you don't have an elbow. You're just one BIG a-hole.
'Yes, the story is about Obama visiting an ailing relative.'
Which he did, for the grand total of 2 hours.
And then he said he would go see if there were any chores to do. This is a thing that any loving grandson would do, look after things that were left undone. That is what I did when my mother was dying. The other thing, dickwad, is maybe she is in a coma. Maybe he's back beside her bedside right now. We don't know, because we aren't there. All WE know is that she is not expected to live. There is one other thing that we do know and that is you are a complete and utter jackass.
Obama's Bud Billy Ayers Has New Book Coming out June of '09
Communist and unrepentant domestic terrorist Ayers is proud to introduce his new re-education book:
- 'Race Course Against White Supremacy'
White supremacy and its troubling endurance in American life is debated in these personal essays by two veteran political activists.
Arguing that white supremacy has been the dominant political system in the United States since its earliest days—and that it is still very much with us—the discussion points to unexamined bigotry in the criminal justice system, election processes, war policy, and education.
The book draws upon the authors' own confrontations with authorities during the Vietnam era, reasserts their belief that racism and war are interwoven issues, and offers personal stories about their lives today as parents, teachers, and reformers.
Discussions at Amazon about this book include but not limited to; terror, terrorist, communist, weather underground, traitor, Barack, Obama, swine, black liberation theology, anarchist, marxist, anti-Americanism, hope and change.
There should be a Venezuela discussion. Ayers met with Hugo Chavez in 2006:
President Hugo Chavez, … invited guests, comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica [sic]! Welcome to the World Education Forum. Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana! ...[...]
He ended his speech with these words:
Viva Mission Sucre!
Viva Presidente Chavez!
Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana!
Hasta La Victroria Siempre!
This is what Ayers' 'education reform' is all about - 'Viva La Revolucion.'
So what.
'And then he said he would go see if there were any chores to do. '
What the hell can you do in 2 HOURS?????
'This is a thing that any loving grandson would do,'
Want to know what a loving grandson would do? SPEND MORE THEN 2 HOURS.
'The other thing, dickwad, is maybe she is in a coma'
So how did they converse? You IDIOT!
' Maybe he's back beside her bedside right now. '
You just see what you want to see, you idiot.
'We don't know, because we aren't there.'
His backside going up the stairs into his plane might be a good indication that isn't happening.
'All WE know is that she is not expected to live. '
How do WE know that? Because Obama said so? Obama is a liar and you can't believe what he says... Get used to hearing that.
'There is one other thing that we do know and that is you are a complete and utter jackass. '
You ought to know that I spent more then 2 HOURS with them when it was time for my loved ones to go.
'So what. '
Obama has surrounded himself with anti white bigots. Doesn't that tell you something about him?
Mission Sucre is a program provides free and ongoing higher (college and graduate level) education to the two million adult Venezuelans.
So, you have a problem with people getting an education? Are you jealous because you never graduated from grade school?
'You ought to know that I spent more then 2 HOURS with them when it was time for my loved ones to go.'
I ought to know? OUGHT to? Hey, pal it's none of my business. I don't care if your mother died before you were born. As for you having loved ones, that is debatable. No one loves you. That's why you are such a hate filled creepy, stalking web troll, you're trying to get back at a world that doesn't give a rat's furry arse about you and your headcase problems.
'Mission Sucre is a program provides free and ongoing higher (college and graduate level) education to the two million adult Venezuelans.'
It isn't education, it is indoctrination. It is old Stalinist re-education the likes used by Pol-pot. Hugo Chaves is a tin-plated generalissimo who has used anti-Americanism to get into power and Bill Ayres is happy to align himself with anyone who hates the USA, be it Hugo Chaves or Barack Obama.
'I don't care if your mother died before you were born. As for you having loved ones, that is debatable. No one loves you. That's why you are such a hate filled creepy, stalking web troll, you're trying to get back at a world that doesn't give a rat's furry arse about you and your headcase problems.'
Hey, you are the one ranting and whining because you are such an envious little thing. Venting your anger here because you were molested wont punish the people responsible.
@Bill Ayers is terrorist and Obama mentor.
so what. '
Obama has surrounded himself with anti white bigots. Doesn't that tell you something about him?
More Than 3,000 Academics Sign Pro-Ayers Petition.....Among those who signed are Ward 'Little Eichmans' Churchill and former PLO terrorist and Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi....
More than 3,200 supporters -- most of them educators -- have signed a petition protesting what they say is the 'demonization of Professor William Ayers,' asserting that his violent actions as the co-founder of the Weather Underground were just 'history.' (HE MURDERED PEOPLE AND DECLARED WAR ON THE USA)
Barack Obama's ties to Ayers have been questioned during the presidential campaign by critics who call the professor a domestic terrorist. (HE MURDERED PEOPLE AND DECLARED WAR ON THE USA)
Among the people who signed the petition are No. 5, Columbia University professor of Arab studies Rashid Khalidi, and No. 814, former University of Colorado at Boulder professor Ward Churchill.
Churchill made headlines when he called the victims of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center 'little Eichmanns' and compared them to Nazis in an essay. (THEY WERE INNOCENT PEOPLE GOING TO WORK) He was fired from his job in Boulder for plagiarism.
Khalidi, a Palestinian activist, was a director of the Palestinian Liberation Organization's press agency in 1982, according to The New York Times, when the PLO was still designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization.
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This is what we are proposing turning the country over to.
'whatever.'
The quality of your rebuttals has improved considerably, I must admit.
'@It was your fault.
so what. '
So stop lashing out at everyone else and take it out on the person responsible.
So, God's a moron.
I think He, She, It, would have something to say about that.
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