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US House, Senate, reach deal on economic stimulus
Feb 11, 2009, 20:17 GMT
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (C), speaks at a press conference with Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine (L), Democratic Senator Max Baucus of Montana (2L), and Republican Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, USA 11 February 2009. Reid said House and Senate lawmakers and the White House reached a final agreement Wednesday on a $789 billion economic stimulus measure designed to create jobs and stimulate the economy. EPA/MATTHEW CAVANAUGH
Washington - US lawmakers reached a compromise deal Wednesday on a record economic recovery package which could allow the plan to pass both houses of Congress before the end of the week.
The leaders in the Senate and House of Representatives ironed out differences in separate versions of the stimulus bill and knocked the total price tag down to 789 billion dollars. The measure includes a mixture of tax cuts and government spending projects to pull the US out of its worst recession in decades.
The chambers had earlier each passed separate versions of the legislation, with the Senate approving an 838-billion-dollar deal Tuesday and the House passing a 819-billion-dollar version last week. In announcing the deal on Wednesday, senators praised the ability to shave billions off the cost of the programme while staying faithful to efforts to boost the economy and create jobs.
'The agreement we've reached stays faithful to the principles we've outlined,' Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, noting that it costs less and will create more jobs than both earlier versions of the legislation.
The compromise includes about 276 billion dollars in tax relief, or 35 per cent of the plan, and also increases spending on infrastructure projects to 150 billion dollars, said Senator Susan Collins, who was one of three Republicans to work out the Senate version of the bill.
It also includes a fund to help state governments hard hit by the crisis to close holes in their budgets. Most of the nation's 50 states are predicting budget shortfalls, with California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger threatening to lay off 10,000 state employees.
Both chambers must now vote on the new version of the bill and Reid said he hopes to have it completed within the next few days, perhaps as early as Thursday, to meet a goal set by President Barack Obama of signing the legislation into law by the Presidents Day holiday on Monday.
Obama, who views the stimulus as the cornerstone of his efforts to revive the US economy, continued to urge its quick passage during a visit to a construction site in Springfield, Virginia earlier Wednesday.
'We're at the doorstep of getting this plan through the Congress,' Obama said, calling the stimulus package 'both urgent and essential to our recovery.'
About 3.6 million jobs have been lost and the unemployment rate has crept to 7.6 per cent since the US recession began in December 2007. Obama has promised his stimulus will save or create up to 4 million new jobs.
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The U.S. is corrupt. See below. Even when they think they will not encounter corruption, and then do encounter corruption, they still say 'I don't think that we will in our lifetimes', when they just did encounter corruption.
Fraud on massive scales, stealing money, taking kickbacks, you name it. And, the 'typical U.S. citizen' buries their head in the sand and pretends like it is not true, and then lines up in the 'mother of all kick back line' to get the payouts and kickbacks ... welfare.
Citation:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_kickbacks
'I've never encountered, and I don't think that we will in our lifetimes, a case where literally thousands of kids' lives were just tossed aside in order for a couple of judges to make some money,' said Marsha Levick, an attorney with the Philadelphia-based Juvenile Law Center, which is representing hundreds of youths sentenced in Wilkes-Barre.'
Please STFU. You have no idea about anything you spout about. Take a hike, and please stay away from our country.
Dear STFU,
I am sure you want to sequester the truth, but kickbacks, bribes and payoffs are rampant in the U.S. society. The U.S. just went through the most rampant financial fraud in the history of the world. It is undeniable.
And now Congress and the President wants to outdo even that with one trillion dollars worth of kickbacks! Amazing!
What are YOU doing about it?
Nothing, but bitching.
All you do is bitch, bitch, bitch.
But you never do ANYTHING.
Why don't you DO something, for a change.
(and don't kid yourself ... you're no messenger ... your incessant bitching on this forum accomplishes nothing, other than creating misery for the rest of us ... you're just a little whining bitch)
'But you never do ANYTHING.'
Not accepting kickbacks, bribes and payoffs is the first step to doing something.
Most of the time, the most important thing is not what you do, but what you don't do.
The next important thing is to not be complicit in the fraud, kickbacks, bribes and payoffs by ignoring it, making excuses for it or being silent about it.
There are many other things that I do, but I'm not going to explain those.
... and you hardly know that 'I never do ANYTHING'. The facts are actually substantially the converse. But, again: The subject is not about me, it is about the President and Congress of the United States participating in fraud, kickbacks, bribes and payoffs.
All you do is bitch.
You DO nothing.
Anyone can talk ... and that's ALL you do. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Blah, blah, blah,
You do nothing Lance. Abso-friggin-lutely nothing.
Emphasis on useless.
Besides intimidation, ostracizing and ridiculing is the next way people hide (sequester) criminal activity and hence become complicit in it.
That is the way the catholic church did it for decades when their priests mass raped children.
More examples in the U.S. society abound.
had called out Lance on his whining and dared him to actually do something concrete about what he sees as the ills of the world. His response? - more whining, b*tching, moaning and complaining. I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and shoot bullsh*t bullets than to do something constructive. Lance has got to be the laziest vegetable on the planet.
So, what is worse: me pointing out the obvious ...
... or you whining about the [alleged] whining?
Does that, according to you, make you do-nothings?
You are definitely your own worst enemy in more ways than one.
Lance has the temerity to say alleged????????
What an idiot. All one has to do is look at his posts. That proves the point. There is no allegation to it whatsoever. Fact is fact. As for the rest of his com-post it is totally false logic. A red herring. Utter bunk. Bilgewater. Deflection. But Lance is to far out to lunch to recognize the fact. Lance is his own worst enema. Yes, out-to-lunch Lance, I said and meant the word enema.
'Utter bunk.'
So, what is bunk? The part about priests that mass rape children? Rampant financial fraud in the U.S.? The judge who takes kickbacks to put kids in jail? Congress and the president making a trillion dollars of new debt for welfare projects? Mass killing of muslims? One million babies being killed per year in the U.S. (abortion).
... and that is just the tip of the iceburg. Fraud and corruption is rampant in U.S. society.
It is all black and white, right in front of your eyes. You not acknowledging it is not fraud, it is willful ignorance. Willful ignorance is the primary way fraudsters get away with fraud.
How bout your nonsensical accusations (on sooo many posts) that everyone on this forum is on welfare.
Now ... either post something 'new' ... DO something about it ... or go away ... we're tired of you repeating the same 'bitch' over and over ... we get it already, gheez.
This place used to be a good forum of ideas until lance started posting. Now its all about lance and his pitful issues with everything. Ignore the joke or at least accept him for the joke he is.
'priests that mass rape children? '
Prove it.
'Rampant financial fraud in the U.S.?'
Prove it.
'The judge who takes kickbacks to put kids in jail?'
Prove it.
'Congress and the president making a trillion dollars of new debt for welfare projects?'
Prove it.
'Mass killing of muslims?'
Prove it.
'One million babies being killed per year in the U.S. (abortion).'
Prove it.
'... and that is just the tip of the iceburg. Fraud and corruption is rampant in U.S. society.'
Prove it.
You have made the allegations, now prove it.
As for all the alleged mass killings of babies, muslims, mass rapes of children, get a life, GET OVER IT. Vegetating on things that are mainly a figment of your addled imagination will do nothing for your mental health, which is very precarious. Shut the f*ck up and do something concrete about it, if you feel you see an injustice. Whining and snivelling on this site will do you no good. How about just shut the f*ck up, period.
Should read the Serenity Prayer.
I'll put the gist of it here.
May your personal Diety give you the strength to change the things that can be changed.
May your personal Diety give you the courage to accept the things that cannot be changed.
May your personal Diety grant you the wisdom to know the difference.
May your personal Diety rip your tongue out by the roots if you continue to whine, snivel, moan and complain.
Amen.
he is way better than all the morons in here who are all for global war and bush the genious and shit!
sometimes i wish only if bush got 4 more years, that would be so cool cause by then the situation would get so bad, so bad that all the morons in here like sp4 and shitheads would just shut up and hide back in their basements.
i like to read lance's posts, its cool cause what he sais could have all been avoided long time ago if only people were sensible, but now all those morons have lance to remind them of their choices and their results, to them and their children!
so i wish everybody a happy new year and a long time line of thin well fare cheques!
lol
''One million babies being killed per year in the U.S. (abortion).' - Prove it.'
Just as an example:
www.cdc.gov/ReproductiveHealth/Data_Stats/index.htm#Abortion
'In 2005, 820,151 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC'
The U.S. government reports that nearly 1 million babies per year are purposely killed in the United States.
... it is a well known fact, and every U.S. citizen should know it by now. The fact that you do not know such common place facts is alarming. My other assertions are easily proven also, but why should I even try. It is obvious that you wish to remain willfully ignorant.
'I am sure you want to sequester the truth, but kickbacks, bribes and payoffs are rampant in the U.S. society. The U.S. just went through the most rampant financial fraud in the history of the world. It is undeniable.'
Really? No I mean it Really? So what, what makes you believe that this situation is any of your concern? Who's trying to deny it? I mean really. Your grasp of the obvious is amazing, but again it is none of your business.
'And now Congress and the President wants to outdo even that with one trillion dollars worth of kickbacks! Amazing!'
Again, please stick with your own obvious problems and STFU!
'Again, please stick with your own obvious problems and STFU!'
... I see: The U.S. gets to mass kill people in other countries and dictate to them, and no one else is allowed to talk.
Sounds a bit 'one-wayish' to me. I think I will keep on talking, while U.S. citizens can join the U.S. military to mass kill.
You made 7 allegations.
You were challenged on them.
You come back with one wishy-washy reply and no proof whatsoever.
Is that the best you can do, veg-head?
I guess anything you have to say has no basis in reality and is just output from your fertilized imagination.
Fertilized with what? -pure, unadulterated, chemical-laced BULLSH*T!
In see that Lance has developed the bad habit of all web trolls. He's growing sock puppets to pat himself on the back. Give yourself some more pats, veggie, stroke your ego. Or should I indelicately suggest that you go stroke your carrot, veggie-boy.
'I think I will keep on talking,'
Perhaps he missed the post while fermenting some more twaddle. I'll repeat the post here, for his benefit.
May your personal Diety give you the strength to change the things that can be changed.
May your personal Diety give you the courage to accept the things that cannot be changed.
May your personal Diety grant you the wisdom to know the difference.
May your personal Diety rip your tongue out by the roots if you continue to whine, snivel, moan and complain.
Amen.
'You come back with one wishy-washy reply and no proof whatsoever.'
Everyone already knows that about one million babies are purposely killed per year in the United States. The U.S. government (the CDC) keeps accounts of each baby killing, as required by law and legislated by the U.S. congress.
There is really no way around it.
About 100 million U.S. citizens have your same willful ignorance regarding such issues. Even when they know it they allege they do not know it.
'Everyone already knows that about one million babies are purposely killed per year in the United States. The U.S. government (the CDC) keeps accounts of each baby killing, as required by law and legislated by the U.S. congress.'
Wishy washy, lance, baby. Like those old kamburger comercials, 'Where's the beef?'
Generalizations like 'everybody knows' are utter crap. They are a poor thinkers' way of trying to slither out from a corner. You're stuck baby. Let's see what you have to say about the other six lies you came up with. By the way, Lunchie, what about all the back room abortions that are not reported to the CDC, any intelligent(note the word 'intelligent') thoughts on that matter? No? I thought not.
Do you have anything intelligent to say that is on-topic?
Obama and the Democrats did not have a 'compromise bill'.
What they are passing is a big Ponzi scheme. Support it, you might get a little something, but then you only can keep getting something if someone else pays in... one day the thing is going to collapse --- in our life time or in our children's lifetime.
I see you jerks never read this epitaph to Lance the Muslim anti-American scumbag, since you are letting him run riot on this article. WELL HERE IT IS AGAIN ! Won`t YOU ever learn ?
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LANCE EXPOSEDFeb 11th, 2009 - 15:17:09
Before Lance comes in with his venomous anti-American hate mail, read this ;-
In response to one of my posters Lance asked 'WHAT IS THE WEATHER LIKE *OVER THERE ?*. Since I am OVER HERE in the US, then he must be OVER THERE.
It all adds up now, since he often posts in the MIDDLE EAST section, especially if the article has an American or Israeli flavor.
He must therefore live in some maggot infested Islamic shit-house. It`s anybodies guess where, they are all the same. Middle East, Pakistan, who knows, they all stink to high heaven and are full of fanatical maniacs wanting to destroy everything civilised, even their own people and property.
Lance is intensely jealous of America to the point of insane hatred, we being the world`s greatest and most prosperous nation and his country being a grovelling poor pile of sand and flies.
He is not interested in American events, only to write vicious provocative posters, so as to get us all wound up. It is the only way this irrelevant little Muslim turd-ball can get at us, by insult disguised as rhetoric.
He WANTS us to reply to his hateful slime, to get immense satisfaction in verbally attacking the US and receiving the kind of replies we give him. He absolutely revels in reciprocate hate.
SO - PLEASE all of you including SP4 who falls straight into Lance`s clever web of hate every time - read his Islamic shit if you must, but TOTALLY IGNORE IT and DO NOT RESPOND !
This way Lance will be deprived of his personal hate game and will simply fade away on an empty tank and perhaps with luck step onto one of those landmines his beloved Muslim scumbags have planted to kill Americans.
...some of what Lance says about the US wasting billions is true, if inaccurate. true, he knows less about religion than a pig does Sunday, and less about the economic system than Joe the Plumber (way, way less) but he is right about these deficits.
Correction: We now waste trillions, not billions.
This bill is a fools bill, passed by fools, and we let it happen. It took Bush eight years to overspend a trillion dollars and it took Obama four weeks.
As for the libnazi retort above, listen to anything you want to and then use your own intellect to decide.
Who was president for nearly 8 yrs before the economy tanked last October?
Behave yourself there`s a good chap. Stop talking nonsense and calling everybody who disagrees with you a LIBNAZI - whatever that juvenile adjective means. Kids call each other names in playground - have you ever grown up ? Try being a man, it just may feel great, even at your age.
It is not me that is wrong in prescribing a description for this hateful obnoxious anti-American Islamic scumbag - IT IS YOU for falling into his carefully planned web of hate.
Take up dominoes old chap or knitting, it is much better for the blood pressure. We don`t want you popping your cork do we ?
Behave yourself there`s a good chap.
SP4 - what the f--k is a 'chap' besides riding pants?
Stop talking nonsense and calling everybody who disagrees with you a LIBNAZI
SP4 - that is what we call overgenralization. I only call libnazis libnazis...like you for instance.
- whatever that juvenile adjective means.
SP4 - since you can't visualize, let me help. It is pseudointelllectuals, who try practicing amateur psychology the moment some disagree's with them...kinda like yourself.
Kids call each other names in playground -
SP4 - that does not make them wrong
have you ever grown up ?
SP4 - again, stick to something you know about
Try being a man,
SP4 - again, libnazi assumptions and insults, that sidstep a meaningful argument.
it just may feel great, even at your age.
SP4 - could be, but it just happens to have absolutely zero to do with what the subject is.
It is not me that is wrong in prescribing a description for this hateful obnoxious anti-American Islamic scumbag - IT IS YOU for falling into his carefully planned web of hate.
SP4 - what 'web' of hate? Another libnazi construct to avoid addressing his arguments, and a lame attempt to appear to be something your not: a thinker. For all of Lance's shortcomings, he is completely honest about his positions. He is a bigot, to be sure, and relies on libnazi methods to fall back on, but on the subject of our finances, he is correct.
Take up dominoes old chap or knitting, it is much better for the blood pressure. We don`t want you popping your cork do we ?
Blah, Blah, Blah...I'd rather watch paint dry. Like most libnazis, once confronted by a Sara palin, or Joe the Plumber, or a Rush Limbaugh, and their elegant, cogent, clear-minded arguments, your facist tendency is to dismember them, using any means possible. This is preferable to defending your views, which are undefendable, and the reason for the personal attacks. The idea of being shown up by plain folk is utterly repugnant and so attacking their families, lifestyles, education, etc. is the preferred libnazi approach.
This is because Liberalism is the religion of the age. Libnazis did not like the old religions, because the idea of someone higher than them was unnacceptable. Far more fun to be gods than mere men.
They have a prophet (Gore) a church (the libnazi univeristy sytem) with it's inquisitors ( Libnazi Drive-By Media) their clergy (acadamia) and their Cardinals ( Libnazi politicians ), and now their golden (black) idol, virgin figure and Messiah all-in-one, Obama, but most of all, they have their mindless, cultish, automaton-like faithful, people like...well..you sir.
So run along and read the dogma, but when you come here, no one is buying what you're selling, the holier-than-thou libnazi scripture, written on stone tablets and carried down from on-high from your Al Gore, or whomever. Now run along, kneel to your new god, and pray he has a miricle for you.
Just a point old chap ----
Look on the bright side and think of all those Hershey bars you can buy with that $125 interest bonus you get on your $50,000 hard earned savings after waiting a whole 12 months for it.
You`ve just achieved THE AMERICAN DREAM mate.
Ya gotta agree chum - life ain`t so bad after all in this great country.
... The more SP4 gets exposed with the truth ... the more he babbles and blathers ... as evidenced above.
And yes SP4 ... that makes you wrong ... again.
..you're certainly right about that. Nothing fuels inflation worse than endless deficit spending, and by the time this plays out, a hearshy bar will BE $125.00.
See, you and Lance DO agree on something after all. Now run along and see if you can get him to try and explain how Bush broke the Bank of England. We've been trying to get him to rationalize that for about three months. We cannot wait. Oh yeah, for those of you who still do not know:
From M&C
This was preventable.Sep 21st, 2008 - 01:59:13
John McCain predicted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crises, pushed 2005 legislation to prevent trouble:
The 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005' would have headed this off but it was killed in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs by Chris Dodd who recieved the most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003.
The Democratic response to Bush in 2003:
“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
“I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
Gee whiz man - you take the biscuit - a modern day Buffalo Bill, a real tough hombre, kill `em, skin `em and eat `em. Brain dead and crazy, but brilliant with a Colt Buntline special.
...How presenting a fact can stir such feelings. I cannot tell you how many folks have gone absolutely bugsh-t over that post about Bush and McCain. They have called ME every name in the book and..for chrissakes...I WAS NOT the f--king guy who wrote it! I can't help the fact that Bush and MCCain BOTH warned the Congress and the public about the bank meltdown up to FIVE years before...and had libnazi noses thumbed at them...but they DID! Were it not for the banks melting down, NONE of this would be happening.
People HATE the facts.
Simmer down old chap, give your heart a rest, this is a family site, we don`t want all that shit of yours exposed to the faint hearted and kiddywinkles do we ?
I just cannot understand you Sugar Plum with your wing-man Lance coming up with such harsh and unjust criticism of poor Obama for borrowing all those trillions of bucks and trying his damnedest to get us all out of this pile of shit you and your mate Bush have got us into.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
God Grandpa, give the guy a chance, he`s only been at it three weeks. He has`nt even got his swinging tyre fixed up in the Oval Office yet. Lance ? well he ain`t got a kind word to say about anybody other than that imbecilic turban headed troglodyte Osama Bin Laden.
Bush was president for nearly 8 yrs before the economy tanked in October. That's a fact.
You write 'Bush and MCCain BOTH warned the Congress and the public about the bank meltdown up to FIVE years before'
And Bush DID NOTHING about it. That's a fact.
Yes SP4, Thems the facts SP4.
(now, google 'Phil Graham (R) deregulation' ... there's more facts there, that you deny SP4)
Simmer down old chap, give your heart a rest, this is a family site, we don`t want all that shit of yours exposed to the faint hearted and kiddywinkles do we ?
SP4 _ Family site...?..that would be the reason you typed the word sh-t? in the open?? Libnazis...
I just cannot understand you Sugar Plum with your wing-man Lance coming up with such harsh and unjust criticism of poor Obama for borrowing all those trillions of bucks and trying his damnedest to get us all out of this pile of shit you and your mate Bush have got us into.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Sp4 - apparantly you did not read the post. That WAS too much to hope for. We're conservatives, Professor. This bill has real shortcomings. Any resonable person would conclude this. That being the case, why would we NOT criticize it?
God Grandpa, give the guy a chance, he`s only been at it three weeks. He has`nt even got his swinging tyre fixed up in the Oval Office yet.
SP4 - He gets the same chance the last guy got, Professor. Bush was blamed for 9/11 after only 9 months in office. Tell me Professor, where was the fairness then? Or the concocted docs on his Nat'l Guard service, or the countless snipets as he won a war they said was a failure?
Obama will get every consideration Bush got, from us, for the last eight years, Professor. What he won't get is a hostile press, so we're going to pull their weight for them.
Lance ? well he ain`t got a kind word to say about anybody other than that imbecilic turban headed troglodyte Osama Bin Laden.
If you want to talk to Lance go do that. He's a lot more like you than I am. All I did was point out the one thing he is right about. We call that the ability to differentiate, which neither you, or Lance, have. It seems to be a copmmon malady for libnazis, and I do not know why. Perhpas it's the lack of reason and accountability. Again, here is the post about Bush and what he tried to do. He was thinking clearly and hoping for reason from Congress, and I'll admit, he WAS wrong about that.
You write'...Bush was blamed for 9/11 after only 9 months in office.'
Tell us what Bush did to prevent it?
And Tell us why Bush and Cheney REFUSED to meet with Clinton about Bin Laden during the transition ... esp when Clinton repeatedly requested to meet with them SPECIFICALLY about Bin Laden ... saying it was of utmost importance .... Yet Bush and Cheney still refused ... finally sending an underling ... but still DOING NOTHING about it. THats a fact ... Tell us why!!
Then tell us what Bush did to prevent the economy tanking (since you say he saw it coming for 5 yrs) ... yes, tell us, SP4!
I expect you to retort with your usual dribble about Clinton, missing Bin Laden ... or not accepting an offer of him (before he attacked the US).
We know that stuff already ... and we know you like to use it as a diversion from the question of why Bush DID NOTHING.
So save us the trouble from that straw man argument style of yours.
Just tell us why Bush DID NOTHING to prevent both ... the economy tanking, and about Bin Laden.
Just DO THAT SP4
perhaps there is a specific reason for him doing nothing.
perhaps it suited him and his gang better to do nothing about both!
with the exact order things happened.
he sure did a lot about the taxes to the rich and the wars for petrol and resourses, did a lot till the bitter end, and his gang's plan is still on course.
if you can think, figure it out for your self!
nothing happens, or doesn't happen with out good reason, right?
...they are stubborn things..' G.H.W.Bush
Sorta makes you look like an imbecile, but what's new, eh?
This was preventable.Sep 21st, 2008 - 01:59:13
John McCain predicted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crises, pushed 2005 legislation to prevent trouble:
The 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005' would have headed this off but it was killed in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs by Chris Dodd who recieved the most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003.
The Democratic response to Bush in 2003:
“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
“I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
The question was 'What did Bush do to prevent the economy tanking (since he said he saw it coming for 5 yrs)?'
SP4s reply... 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005'
Hey SP4 ... NEWSFLASH ... Bush didn't sponsor that bill. Bush had NOTHING to do with it.
It was sponsored in the Senate by: Sen. Charles Hagel [R, NE], Sen. Elizabeth Dole [R, NC], Sen. John McCain [R, AZ], Sen. John Sununu [R, NH]
It was thwarted by Dodd and Frank ... But notice Obama didn't thwart it (so your attempts at connecting him to it couldn't be more far off target ... no surprise there.)
Yeah ... facts are stubborn things SP4 ... just like you are stubborn ... only facts are not as stupid as you are.
So I'll ask again SP4 ... (since you apparently didn't get it )
What did BUSH do to prevent the economy tanking (since he said he saw it coming for 5 yrs)?
and ... What did BUSH do to prevent 9-11?
'President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003'
Oh yeah SP4 ... What did BUSH DO? No gross generalizations. Give us specifics. (proposed legislation etc)
Keep in mind ... 2003 until 2007 the Republican party controlled the Senate of the United States, the House of Representatives and the presidency.
Again ... What did BUSH do? (specifics)
More Britner Spears news:
The one-time boyfriend of Britney Spears who is under court order to stay away from her -- is under investigation for felony assault with a deadly weapon with a vehicle.
Here's what went down. Yesterday morning, a process server went to Ghalib's Encino apartment to hand him legal papers ordering him to appear in the restraining order case.
The process server was waiting for Adnan Ghalib in the alley when Ghalib rolled up and allegedly hit the dude with his car. The process server says he landed on the hood of Adnan's car.
Adnan allegedly fled the scene and the process server called cops at 10:42 AM. Police arrived and noticed the process server had cuts and scratches, but he refused treatment.
The case is under investigation. Ghalib is the suspect and the alleged crime is assault with a deadly weapon with a vehicle -- a felony.
CAN WE GET BACK ON POINT WITH REAL NEWS AND OPINION!!!
While there are still plenty of unanswered questions as Congress prepares to vote on the Democrats’ trillion-dollar spending bill (possibly multi-trillion dollar spending spree), here’s what we do know: the legislation is loaded up with plenty of unfocused and wasteful Washington spending – a price to be paid by small businesses, which apparently will see very little tax relief under the as-yet-unseen House-Senate “deal.” In fact, it appears the amount of direct small business tax relief in the legislation amounts to about one-third of one percent of the total bill, just $3 billion in tax relief out of a $789.5 billion bill. So, what’s getting funded at the expense of small business owners and workers across the country?
Here are just a few examples: $2 billion for 'Neighborhood Stabilization,' money which will be available to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), an organization accused of perpetrating voter registration fraud numerous times in the last several elections and reportedly under federal investigation; $1 billion for a new “Prevention and Wellness Fund,” which would be available for education programs on sexually-transmitted diseases; and millions for the federal government to buy plug-in cars.
Nancy Pelosie has money to protect a gerbil or mouse or rat or pest in her backyard...At the expense of small business.
This begs the question: How will any of this spending create new jobs? And, since small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, why are these programs and projects being funded at the expense of those who own and are employed by small businesses?
Wow !! Grandpa, ya really got the pack growling now, all gnashing and snarling. Keep ya tail under ya legs Buffalo or ya`ll lose ya Buntline special.
Better grab ya walking frame and hi-tail it outta here pronto. Git on ya old nag and go man go before ya git lynched. These pesky guys are really upset.
One thing about ALL the posters on this site (Lance excepted - Allah forgive me) is that they are ordinary Americans who care about this country and their own and families future, they are not just waffling retired old faggots like ya self, with nuttin else to do but aggravate people.
Oh, by the way Sugar Plum - I DO read your posts, the fact I take no notice of what you say and kick them over the sideline is because I have run out of buckets to puke in.
PS - enjoy that $125 ya`ll get on ya $50,000 hard earned savings after 12 months, as an appreciation that Uncle Sam is not entirely heartless.
Hey buddy, I can't imagine why you think you can reason with the Idiots Stick of this site. He has no ability to reason as he has been brainwashed into believing that the last administration actually did a good job. When one starts from this premise, there is no reasoning.
if you want to see a picture of SP4, go to Webster's and look up 'dimwit'.
...one simple post, of the facts and folks just blow their ovaries over it! It's like shooting a bee's nest with a 22 cal. Rifle! It sets off a linti switch in every libnazi ass on the site! Gooood!
Good question though...what did Bush actually do? Well, let's cover it in a way you can understand...
'Barnah!...thiis is George Buush!...thit ol Fannah an Fredah are set t' lose billions an we need legislation ta deal with it...what?...kiss mah what?....Barnah....Barnah..quit ya sceamin boyh....stop buggerin thit page fer a moment an listen....what?...ya need loans fer thim folks?...what folks Barnah?...th one's who cin't pay?..waell...ah'm no Johnny Keynes heah, buut if'n ya cin't pay...sum'uns goona git the high hard one an ah got a full feelin in mah rectum it's goona be th public Barnah....full feelin...yeah...lahke the one ya get weeklah Barnah...funnah..ah had ya pegged as th quartahback tahpe, but thit's jes me....whadya say Barnah..sum lsgislation thire congressman....no?...suck your what?...uh...noo thanks thire boyh...ah AM the Qback boyh!...bettah goo se ol Hirry Reaid boyh....gotta goo now, bayah! y' be sorry!'
...or something like that, right?
Here let's try it again...
This was preventable.
SP4 - clear and conciseSep 21st, 2008 - 01:59:13
John McCain predicted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crises, pushed 2005 legislation to prevent trouble:
SP4 - even more clear, no ambiguities here. Pity it wasn't Palin, eh?
The 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005'
SP4 - proposed legislation - certainly you can understand that.
would have headed this off but it was killed in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs by Chris Dodd who recieved the most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
SP4 _ Chris Dodd, senator, Liubnazi, Killed off.. Clear and concise.
President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003.
SP4 _ see above
The Democratic response to Bush in 2003:
“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
SP4 - Barney Frank, key Libnazi poofter responsible for this mess
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
“I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
SP4 _ Mel Watt - dem with a brain, and a conscience
Now, dipsticks, do you require any more than this...the smoking gun, the burning bush...Bush, Buush!...???
'...one simple post, of the facts and folks just blow their ovaries over it! It's like shooting a bee's nest with a 22 cal. Rifle! It sets off a linti switch in every libnazi ass on the site! Gooood!
Hey Idiots Stick all of your posts are 'simple', as they come from a simple mind.
'Good question though...what did Bush actually do? Well, let's cover it in a way you can understand...'
The real fact is that Bush did nothing, and your Republican't Senator and House did nothing along with him---nothing except spend us into a depression.
I eliminated your redneck babble.
'Here let's try it again...' 'This was preventable.'
Yes it was, dump the Republicants in 2004 and this would not have happened.
'SP4 - clear and conciseSep 21st, 2008 - 01:59:13'
You are a complete an total idiot, quoting yourself---like you are quotable. What a joke!
'John McCain predicted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crises, pushed 2005 legislation to prevent trouble:'
You keep spouting this crap, why did he not round up his Republicant's brothers and sisters and stop this. At this time he had a majority, could have stopped anything he wanted. PS, John McSame lost, and you lost so who cares what John McSame has to say?
'SP4 - even more clear, no ambiguities here. Pity it wasn't Palin, eh?
Stupid and wrong. I can only hope you idiots run Caribou Barbi. That will be fun.
'The 'FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005''
Again stupid and wrong. In 2005 you had a majority in the senate and the house and a Republican't President---why didn't you 'stop it' stupid?
'SP4 - proposed legislation - certainly you can understand that.'
Anything you spout is understandable even by a 3rd grader.
'would have headed this off but it was killed in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs by Chris Dodd who recieved the most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.'
How stupid are you really? The minority party stopped the majority party??? Friggin ignorant pri*k,
'SP4 _ Chris Dodd, senator, Liubnazi, Killed off.. Clear and concise.'
Liar, just saying so does not make it correct.
'President Bush sought to rein in Fannie and Freddie in 2003.'
Liar, he had the majority in the house and the senate and he failed to do what he should have done!!!!
'The Democratic response to Bush in 2003:
“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
At the time you stupid moron, there was no problems. The spend, spend, spend of the Republicant's for he next 3 years caused the implosion of the housing market, stupid.
'Now, dipsticks, do you require any more than this...the smoking gun, the burning bush...Bush, Buush!...???'
Yea how about some real facts idiots stick? By the way, more spelling errors than one can count and more grammar mistakes than my 1st grader makes and by the way stupid, you do not have to put your stupid moniker by your comments, we are much smarter that you are and can figure it out.
It's funny ... you can always tell when SP4 gets cornered with a question he can't answer. He resorts to his senseless babble (aka baby talk).
It's actually funny to see him squirm that way.
SP4 didn't post any specifics on what Bush did ... because Bush did nothing.
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lanceFeb 11th, 2009 - 20:52:58
'Obama has promised his stimulus will save or create up to 4 million new jobs.'
That is what you call: White-collar and Blue-collar welfare.
It is not a job.
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